/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7855627
The Souls games should have whips as a weapon option desu.

super Metroid is a little bit better because if Castlevania having that upside down castle that does get annoying.

>>7855668
>extra content bad
How so?

>>7855627
For all the abilities to use and loot to find the game is pretty easy and the more you discover the easier it gets to the point where it's a walking simulator, a walking simulator with lots of backtracking.

It has excellent graphics and sound but this is not a good game. It's praised by casuals that prefer a bunch of bells and whistles over a well designed level.

THIS SHIT IS FUCKING BROKEN ONCE YOU REACH MID GAME

>>7855661
They do. They're all trash and only useful for chasing down enemies in PvP.

>>7855676
Not that guy, but it overstays its welcome and just drags on. More isn't always better if it's mediocre padding.

>>7855676
if it's part of the main game and it's trash (which the inverted castle is), it only makes the game bloated and therefore worse

>>7855736
It's more of a secret boss rush, for people how wanted more out of the game.
More padding content is only a problem if a game forces you to play it to continue. If it's after the normal ending isn't that just optional content?

>>7855676
That is not even extra content, that is part of the main game.

>>7855627
Reverse castle is so unbelivably shit I dont think its worthy of the title. Also balance is fucked and once you reach midgame you just steamroll everything.
>>7855676
Required to get the true ending. Not really "extra".

>>7855796
If you play the game with a guide just to get the best ending you played the game wrong. The best part is exploring the castle and taking in the atmosphere. After you beaten the game, and want more you look up what to do. But its not a requirement to do if you are satisfied. I was blown away the first time i unlocked the inverted castle.

>>7855815
I thought it was pretty wild too. But after about 5 minutes I just turned into a bat and fly past everything. There were no new sights to see and it was no longer possible to lose a fight with all the items I had gotten. I learned it didn't even matter that I skipped all those battles since Dracula also had no challenge. I felt nothing but disappointment at the end of the game.

>>7855815
What do you mean with a fucking guide. If you explore the full castle you're bound to stumble upon the required items to reach the true end even if you're a slobbering retard that didnt get the hints all over the place telling you you can save richter. Your experience being a stupid kid doesnt translate to everyone's experience. The inverted castle is literally the same thing only with only 3 music tracks and you spend 99% of time in bat form getting assfucked/stunned all the way down the room by fucking skeletons. Inverted castle is ass and all the boss fights of the inverted castle fucking blow. They should have put the new enemies in the regular castle.

>>7855838
>>7855839
>not using the gravity boots exclusively to climb up
ngmi

Inverted castle sucks

>>7855979
Clunky and not even faster than bat mode because you cant go sideways. Its only good for the big drop in the caverns.
>>7856173
It does

>>7855627
Wonder Boy already did it back in 1989. SotN even copied its opening, how you play the last level + boss of the previous game at the start.

*invents metroidvanias 11 years after metroid came out*

>>7855668
>Reverse Castle Bad

Fucking Millenials Man, member when people loved the reverse castle as the biggest secret in gaming only top by revisiting Kanto in Pokemon Gold and Silver? (before Iwata it was originally suppsed to be just a small hub world with some buildings)

>>7856258
It doesnt matter how big of a "secret" it is its still fucking shit

>>7856273
>>7856173
>>7855839
>>7855838

All the s.0.ys on these threads.

>posting s.0.y.jacks on /vr gives you warning/bans
>>7855815
>>7855782
>>7855707

>>7856297
Good. Take that shit and your retarded opinion to /v/.

>>7856297
Post your opinion on the topic. Try to add something or start a discussion.

Reverse castle is fucking KINO, right away you run into lions equipped with claw weapons so you know they mean 2x business and below is a gang of tin robots swinging axes like madmen, how cool is that? Shat my pants when I ran into Beelzebub the first time like HOLY SHIT LOOK AT THIS GIANT ROTTEN ASS FUCK HANGING UPRIGHT IN AN UPSIDE-DOWN CASTLE SENDING FLIES FROM HIS FESTERING WOUNDS TO KILL ME

>>7855627
It's an unbalanced piece of shit with shit character handling and a million ideas that amount to jack shit. I can still enjoy it for the story, the aesthetics and the cool stuff you can do with weapons via button inputs, but anyone who pretends it's better designed than later games in the series is full of shit.
>>7855815
>using a guide
You don't need a damn guide, not to navigate the castle or to get good items and weapons or to even git gud at the game.

>>7856606
>lol big cross so brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

>>7856937
You don't even need that, you can get a axe right before you enter the room.

>>7856951
I like the cross just obliterating bosses. Especially good when you have that blood cape that gives you hearts on damage.

>>7855782
By that logic no game can ever be bad because you can just not play it.

>>7855676
I liked it.

>>7856196
WHAT A GAME!

>>7855627
An RTS game so perfect the only game that tried to beat it was it's sequel and the sequel was fucking garbage

Also path of exile for Diablo clones won't ever be beat.

SotN is great but it's not the masterpiece people claim. Suffers from item bloat. When the level design of a Metroidvania entices you to explore ever nook and cranny but has so many bloated and unnecessary weapons and items it makes exploring start to feel dull. "Cool, I traveled this path to find this weapon I have no intention of ever using". This pretty much applies to all igavanias and it's why I prefer metroidvanias that don't bloat up the game with items and rpg mechanics and instead offers sort of a "less is more" approach like Super Metroid and Environmental Station Alpha.

>>7855678
Visuals, visual variety and music is literally all SotN has going for it. As a game of its type it's simple as fuck. The only truly dynamic area in the entire game that isn't just ramps and platforms is the clock tower.

>>7857163
Extremely based opinion. How many times in SotN do you find a secret that just leads to some healing item that you already have 10 of or could just buy at the shop if you wanted to? Game is overrated and other games in the genre have far surpassed it.

>>7857163
Bloatmaxxing is the only way to make a metroidvania fun. I love finding tons of useless shit as long as there's a semblance of soul to it (e.g. unique item sprites)

>beeline to the Reverse Entrance
>dual wield Rune Sword the rest of the game to death
Nothing personnel Drac

/vr/ wise several later games in the series did it better including the gba games imo
Modern wise I consider Hollow Knight better

>>7857296
You dont even need to go that far. Game is piss easy and the alucard sword even allows you to cheese the hardest boss in the game with its special ability. Lets not even talk about the alucard shield cheese. Although I beat it using a zweihander.

>>7857392
>using alucard sword
>when you can stab Galamoth in the shins to death with a baselard instead

>>7856967
I like doing that too, I'm just taking the piss out of SoTN. Flipping infinite karma coins with duplicator is fun, too.

>>7857398
Doesnt he just kick you ?

>>7857398
>>7857392
>not spamming soul steal to kill every boss

>>7857407
Well yeah, if you do it from the front of both his legs. You wanna mist form between his legs when he uses that rolling lightning attack.
>>7857414
This is also a legitimately horseshit, obnoxious, downright dirty and kinda funny way of going about things.

>>7855668
Super metroid sucks. The gba castlevanias are better

>>7857643
I agree. Exploring in SOTN and the GBA Castlevania games are actually fun.
Super Metroid is like walking around in circles because of all the locked doors.

>>7855627
This game is good but the difficult is weak. Wish there was a linear castlevania w/ these controls and graphics.

>>7857661
I played through some of Rondo of Blood today on the PS4 Requiem collection. I hopped into the beginning of SOTN to see how it compared.

Holy hell is it a night and day difference.

I REALLY want someone to make a romhack remake of ROB within SOTN because the controls are just so much more responsive.

>>7857643
Fuck no. Super Metroid >> SotN >> CotM > AoS > HoD

>>7855627
Baby mode easy. Dagger can be spammed without cooldown, removing any remaining difficulty.

>>7855678
Well, sure, all games become "walking simulators" once you max out your stats and find all the best weapons.

>>7857736
You don't even need the best ones. The stat growth from finding the obvious ones outpaces the stat growth of most enemies you find. In a proper metroidvania game exploration is required to get enough treasure to keep up with the increasingly dangerous enemies. In SotN the more you explore the more boring the game gets as it starts to matter less and less how well you play.

>>7855676
More content doesn't automatically make a game better. That content has to be actually good

>>7857726
Dk what the three last ones are, help

>>7855627
yes but it's easy and im insecure, so im going to call it bad because i cant call myself a leet gamer for finishing it

>>7857759
>In SotN the more you explore the more boring the game gets as it starts to matter less and less how well you play.
Not when you have music like this blasting the whole time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JtTscKXXFA

Side note: I found this really good arranged version of Wandering Ghosts when looking for the music in >>7857849
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwuahrUGpSs

>>7857845
Projecting hard there mate
>>7857736
>t. didnt play the fucking game
Finding the holy rod will carry you all the way to richard simply because everything is weak to holy and you're bound to stumble upon it if you have any semblance of gamer sixth sense
>>7857414
I never had any need for it so I never bought the scroll. Also thats cheating cmon'

>>7857845
Not him but for me and probably a lot of people it has nothing to do with that. When games are too easy they quickly get boring. Super Metroid's major flaw is the same thing, and Metroid 1's difficulty elevates it

>>7855627
Game was topped by both Aria and Dawn of Sorrow.

>>7860274
No.

>>7860274
No.

>>7860274
Absolutely based and a fact. Ds games are so fucking good, even tho Portrait Of Ruin is my favourite, the theme about potraits sending them into weird places than ever before is the best thing ever.

This game is an example of a genre mastering game. Tight corge gameplay and novel mechanics. Released in 1988 and never topped in 2D action/platformer.
And then dark souls did it in 3d.

>>7855661
>>7855712

threaded cane in bloodborne is probably the closest you'll ever get to soulsvania

I always felt like this was the most interesting one in that it's the only one that tried to blend SotN gameplay with the classic series' aesthetic, rather than the coked-up feel of the Rondo/Symphony continuum or the increasing anime style of Harmony and onward, plus the dissolution of the traditional subweapon system starting with Aria. Really just getting away from anything resembling Castlevania combat, not that SotN made you use a whip or anything.

and yeah, the inverted castle in SotN is kind of cool in theory, but in practice what happens? by that point that you're reaching a power ceiling of sorts (a game-long problem that you could kind of ignore if the game ended earlier) and just cruising from boss to boss, you blow through the thing in a quarter of the time it took the first half, so challenge? no. conceptually/aesthetically it's no more than padding, if you went to a museum and every painting had another copy hanging upside-down above it would you be amazed?

>>7861176
>if you went to a museum and every painting had another copy hanging upside-down above it would you be amazed?
Nigga people are amazed by a banana taped to a wall, art critics would be cumming in their frilly silk panties over that.

>>7861184
>go to museum to see a painting
>see the same picture from a different perspective
>appreciate something even more

>>7860274
>>7861028
>>7861057
Not him but most definetly.
>>7861065
PoR is my fav too for this reason and because its acutally pretty balanced and challenging all the wayy through.

Has its flaws but it's overall a good game. 32 bit systems were imposing 3D as a standard for videogames, and SoTN took advantage of the very first wave of nostalgia summing up all the previous chapters of the series in a sidescrolling RPG, combining its cozy gothic atmosphere with the Metroid gameplay. By me this was an unsung killer application for the first Playstation.

>>7855627
>The dark souls of-

>>7855676
If the content is shit then what does it matter if it's extra, you coombrain piece of shit

>>7862058
If your satisfied with the main game. How forced you to play more?
>F

>>7862124
not extra content though literally required content

>>7862454
Only if you want the best (true) ending. But you can just stop if you dont enjoy playing the inverted castle. I had great fun. Finding new enemies and bosses. After i beat the game normally already. It was a blast when i found out that i had more to play.

>>7862484
You keep saying you can just stop playing but thats not an argument. If the game has a sizable of its content complete ass the fact that you can just quit the game doesnt make it not shit. In fact I could NOT play the worst igavania and play a good one.
And if its required for the good ending its part of the main game especially if the final boss is behind it.

>>7860274
No.

>>7863412
Yes.