/vr/ - Retro Games

Yeah what about it? Do you want to draw our attention to the fact the Tanker is like a effects and mechanics demo for things that don't show up in the game again?

>>7811573
Yep

>>7811721
Exactly

>>7811721
what makes it a tech demo?

>>7812234
Other than the rain effects and the fact that the pistol has a flashlight, I can't think of anything that's missing from the Plant. Nor can I recall a single gameplay mechanic that isn't used in the Plant.

>>7811573
... worst metal gear!

>>7812262
i'm also wondering what anon is talking about. they never did the "soldier assembly" gimmick again but that was for the best, i think we can agree

>>7812262
the AI shooting out lights wasn't used iirc

>>7812279
funny, it's my favorite. 2 is probably the most divisive mg game besides twin snakes

Is Snake's tanker mission supposed to be incredibly boring to artificially pump up fans' opinion of Raiden gameplay or something?

Why did Snake save Olga?

>>7812336
He thought he'd someday have a chance to sniff them pits

>>7812356
But he said he had enough of tomboys?

>>7812336
Otacon was getting restless the nigga was thirstin' hard for 'er.

Does a high resolution image of this poster exist?

>>7812304
That was technically a boss fight and they are scripted to shoot the lights out once the player kills a certain number of soldiers. That being said, there are several instances in the Plant chapter where the player can shoot out lights that cast dynamic shadows (which enemy AI can see).

>>7812376
Can you blame Snake?

>>7812262
>permanent particle effects showcased by the raven figure are not present in the plant
>melting ice is only in one room on the tanker
>search team flashlights casting shadows over corridor bends only on the tanker
>real time shadows present in the whole tanker are absent in the plant
>catching cold is only possible on the tanker
>no flashlight on any weapon in the plant
>destructive objects cut back almost completely in the plant

>>7812492
>real time shadows
Strut D, my nigga.

kino

>>7812592
Metal...

How did Kojima even make it big in the industry?

>>7812492
Wasn't there more ice in the cafeteria kitchen area in the plant? There were definitely some fruits and pots and pans... plant had mirrors, right? Did the tanker have mirrors?

>>7812602
It was a different time
>look my big robot game is just like Hollywood movies, take vidya seriously mom and dad

>>7812602
>>7812618
What exactly is your critisism?

>>7812602
got in early

>>7812262
>In the tanker a puddle will form if you enter the inside area after running in the rain, this can cause guards to notice and become more alert
>In the plant you can do 100 pull ups in a row to get a slightly longer grip meter

>>7812774
>>In the plant you can do 100 pull ups in a row to get a slightly longer grip meter

You can do that in the tanker to use a railing that bypasses all the gaurds in the assembly rooms. It also probably makes the strut area section that's destoryed easier to get through. But I never bother raising the grip level anyways

>>7811573
lmao at the delusional Segatards in that thread from last week claiming this could run on the Dreamcast

>>7812858
If it can run on a PS2 then why not a Dreamcast?

>>7812879
The PS2 hardware is significantly more powerful than the Dreamcast, anon. It just is and you need to accept it.

>>7812336
Because she was young and already neutralized so there was no reason to kill her, since Snake canonically avoids unnecessary killing. Also he couldn't anyway because circumstances and no gun to do that with.

>>7812904
This. Snake didn’t “save” her. He just didn’t kill her. He did however pump her full of what must have been a really unhealthy amount of tranquilizer while she was pregnant.

>>7812916
Well Sunni was definitely retarded in certain ways.

>>7812882
Do you have a single fact to back that up?

>>7813081
It’s time to let go, anon. The Dreamcast is a wonderful console but no, its aging hardware from 1998 couldn’t run MGS2. Even the Xbox port was poorly optimized and has frame rate issues.

>>7812262
The wind physics too.

>>7812904
sorry but what that anon is talking about is much stupider, when the tanker sank snake somehow managed to escape AND track down Olga again in time to rescue her.

>>7813515
I frankly don't remember how they said that had happened. Did they actually say Snake picked her up during the sinking? I thought she just woke up sometime during the hold sequence. And Snake "rescued" her when he contacted her after getting held hostage by The Patriots.

>>7812115
> gay_vampire.png
please, vamp is bisexual

>>7812602
I guess it was a combo of silly yet serious plots, iconic art style and designs, and music.

My personal favourite game of all time.

>>7812682
Snake on that SS + GOMAD program

>>7813784
After the fight with Olga, if you run until she's offscreen and then immediately run back, she's already gone. So, either she woke up and left or someone else scooped her up?

if you haven't gotten a big boss rank yet, you haven't properly experienced the game

>>7811573
Fucking raiden

>>7813937

>>7814030
didn't manage to avoid drowning

Anons help me out, what was the name of that disc that had making of material for mgs2?

>>7814552
the document of?

>>7814563
>the document of?
Yes, that one. Thanks anon, I always forget the name and end up getting irrelevant shit.

>>7813134
But Konami was just being lazy with the Xbox, I mean come on, The Gamecube can run Twin Snakes (which uses the same engine) but somehow the Xbox has slow down? The console who practically had every game running in 480p with settings higher that other consoles and some even in 720p can't run every Konami game very well? Anyway I honestly wonder if it still would be possible on the Dreamcast, I mean, is any part of the hardware incapable?

>>7814651
>The Gamecube can run Twin Snakes (which uses the same engine)
TTS not even once pushes the engine like MGS2. All the cool physics and transpareny tricks are not present in TTS

>>7814663
what transparency tricks?

>>7813134
Anon I hate to break it to you but PS2 couldn't run Shenmue.

>>7814670
The same ones that make the thick rain of MGS2 run smoothly yet even in reduced state choke the xbox.

>>7814678
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQpGI_M1ogk

>>7814682
The snow in TTS looks PATHETIC my dude.

>>7812602
by making good games

>>7812336
he knew she'd come back hotter

>>7813894
lmao
i miss fucking with the guards in mgs2, it isn't the same in later games since they're smarter and mgs2's corridors are perfect for confusing them

>>7814693
>implying she didn't look good in the Tanker chapter

>>7812492
Genuine question as this is the first time I've realised this. Why does the Tanker have so many features that the Plant doesn't have?

>>7814710
she does, i just like her slightly longer hair

>>7814714
I'm guessing tanker was to impress everyone as a preview. Then fucking Raiden got put into the game.

This thread is breddy gozy. I’m playing through the MGS series right now starting with Twin Snakes. Looking forward to playing MGS2. Thanks for the excite, bros.

>>7814714
You have to understand MGS2 isn't really a game, but more of a post-modern movie and experiment
And some of the themes Kojima wanted to touch upon, particularly with the tanker sequence was the deceitful power of games and the dangers of hype

Before being released the tanker level was the preview that Konami kept showing to generate hype
People were even buying Zone of the Enders copies simply just to play the Tanker demo it came with
And all advertisement was pretty much all about the Tanker level, even in the original boxes of the game you won't see Raiden anywehre

So the entire point of the Tanker level, was to be the "perfect sequel"
To be everything fans wanted and even more
So that when the level ended and the game switchs to Raiden, they would know that everything about the Tanker level and what Konami marketed was a nothing more than a LIE

Is it true Kojima wanted to appeal to a female audience with Raiden? do you guys think he regrets making this decision given the massive backlash from fans at the time?

>>7812115
>>7813795
YOU MEAN THAT COCKSUCKING FREAK

>>7814802
Yes. They took surveys from young school girls and said snake old man bad twink with bright hair good
Yes and no. He mocks it in MGS3 Raikov being a fag snake taking off Raiden's face if you choose to pick MGS2 and there's a glorious return with leaves everywhere etc but then warms up to it with MGSV retreading it with a different conclusion the player failed to become his own man in that
https://youtu.be/bwDCcto2yk4?t=147

>>7814815
There's also an interview where he regrets making MGS2 so complex. Can't be bothered to find it cuz too lazy.

>>7814763
>starting with Twin Snakes
Begging ya to play the PS1 version since Twin Snakes is MGS1 for babbies and Yakko being the voice of Grey Fox is a huge mistake.

>>7814883
I played MGS ps1 when it first dropped. It’s certainly a ‘cooler’ experience than TTS, but I don’t own it anymore. Also gonna play Snake Eater on 3ds for the same reason. Game runs like shit, but the 3D effect is pleasant.

>>7815173
No reason why you couldn't play MGS on PC.

>>7814693
Unfortunate jaw

>>7815232
Shut the fuck up, /tv/.

>>7815304
That isn't a twink's body.

>>7815351
it isn't?

>>7814742
>>7814775
fans were retarded if that boring ass epilogue is meant to be everything they wanted

technically not/vr/ but how do you guys feel about tlou2 pulling a raiden twice in one game?

>>7815758
Exactly how you described it, pulling a mgs2. However, Neil Druckmann has no clue how to actually pull it off and made a game that will end up just pissing people off in the long run unlike mgs2.

>>7815356
He is looking a little soft there, I admit. Bulking fluff?

>>7815749
Prologue

>shooting all the fruit and the glasses in the ship galley for the TECHNOLOGY

soul

>>7815356
That's a twunk.

>>7814517
And MGS was also meant to be Kojima's last Metal Gear Solid game. He's constantly larping about it. I think MGS4 was the only game he didn't genuinely want to touch.

>>7815749
The prologue promised a whirldwind MGS saga beyond even MGS1 heights. For that first part to just be "the prologue" is exactly what excited people so much.

>>7815758
Druckmann not smart enough to pull a MGS2. Also MGS2 was rather worshipful of Snake and put him on a pedestal while TLOU2 came off as spiteful of both Joel and the player.

>>7814775
Pretty much this. The whole thing was just Kojima toying around with the idea of sequels and player's expectations of it. The controlling information narrative was just the cherry on top (and damn well ahead of its time).

>>7812380
Try the PC version?

>>7815749
>>7814742
>>7814775
Maybe, I never had any problem with Raiden or the fact that you only play as Snake in the Tanker part

>>7811573
I was a North American Fall Webworm in my past life. Those were the good old days.

What were you in your former life?

>>7814651
>which uses the same engine
Does it? I was pretty sure Twin Snakes uses the same engine as eternal darkness, but I can't even find out what that one was called.

>>7816294
This, even if fans disliked Raiden, at no point the game tells you that Snake sucks

>>7812492
>permanent particle effects showcased by the raven figure are not present in the plant
I'm pretty sure anything you can destroy will remain that way until you reload the area.
>melting ice is only in one room on the tanker
I think you're right about that one.
>search team flashlights casting shadows over corridor bends only on the tanker
They don't cast shadows and I think the effect your thinking of does happen in the Plant.
>real time shadows present in the whole tanker are absent in the plant
There are dynamic shadows in nearly every strut.
>catching cold is only possible on the tanker
Nope. You can catch a cold in Arsenal Gear when your naked.
>no flashlight on any weapon in the plant
Correct. I mentioned that in the post you replied to.
>destructive objects cut back almost completely in the plant
There are quite a few destructible objects. Maybe a little less but they are there.
>>7812774
>In the tanker a puddle will form if you enter the inside area after running in the rain, this can cause guards to notice and become more alert
Those puddles are always there.
>>7812821
>You can do that in the tanker to use a railing that bypasses all the gaurds in the assembly rooms.
Incorrect. You cannot level up the grip guage as Snake. There's just enough grip to bypass the guards in the assembly room just fine.
>>7813440
There's wind simulation in all outdoor areas of the Plant. Most notably when you have to shoot the SEMTEX control unit behind the Sons of Liberty flag.
Other than all that shit there's the following in the Plant:
>Soft body physics on flag in the conference room
>Bird AI (which will even attack Fatman)
>Mirrors with realistic reflections
>Mechanics involving the sea lice
>Emma AI
>Snake AI
>Heat haze/shimmer effect on fire
>Cardboard box conveyor belt transportation
>Directional microphone
The Plant seems more feature rich overall.

>>7817131
>You cannot level up the grip guage as Snake. There's just enough grip to bypass the guards in the assembly room just fine.
Wrong. You have to level up your grip gauge on hard and extreme to get the dog tags from the marines in Hold 1 and Hold 3.

>>7814815
> twink with bright hair good

but Snake looked like that in MGS1 anyways, the mission briefing seemed dead set on making him a ringer for Liquid.

>>7816303
Doesn't that guarantee a massive backlash as soon as anyone plays it though, which is exactly what happened?

Purposefully hyping the game up to be one thing which everyone wanted, advertising that, then subverting expectations after half an hour - Kojima must have had an extreme level of arrogance to believe the rest of the game would satisfy that. Surprised the publishers went along with it too.

>>7816956
It's the MGS2 engine they had real bad time porting it iirc

>>7817461
>>7816303
if you ask me people overreacted, the game itself proved it being good despite bait and switch

I think MGS2 has been somewhat vindicated by time, but when it was current you could find the shelves at every GameStop stuffed full of used copies that people traded in.

>>7818216
People are plebs
Not an argument

>>7813894
Is there a whole playthrough available like this?

>>7812492
>permanent particle effects showcased by the raven figure are not present in the plant
>melting ice is only in one room on the tanker
Fuck yeah, there should have been buckets of ice and vulcan raven dolls in every room!
>catching cold is only possible on the tanker
Totally agree, the Big Shell would be FREEZING in real life. It totally ruined my immersion. You should have to hunt for cold medicine on every floor!
>no flashlight on any weapon in the plant
This. The plant should have been set at night! Or even better, the power should be off so everyone is using flashlights to show off the dynamic lighting.
>destructive objects cut back almost completely in the plant
Another good point. EVERYTHING should be destructible, like red faction. I want to blow holes in the walls instead of looking for key cards lol. If Kojima wanted to make a stealth game, why is raiden packing a fucking armory?

>>7818282
Stop seething drone

>>7817158
Nice. I had no idea.

>>7812916
Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance (Abuse)

>>7817461
Well the game was a sequel in a new hardware as promised and intended - as far as gameplay was concerned. People getting baited and raging about the storyline and how it messed with their expectations was just Kojima letting his experimental idea run to its inevitable conclusion.

>>7812262
you can spray Emma with coolant to see her nips get hard

>>7818867
I call bullshit

>>7818867
>>Bully Emma
>>Use codec to call Octacon
>>he mad
I love the MGS2 Codec. Especially for the R1/R2 positive and negative thought buttons that are pressure sensitive. Why this exists I do not know, but I very much enjoy it.

>>7818305
Cope, you filthy unwashed subhuman inbred retard.

>>7818951
Is it really so hard to believe? You can literally get Snake to jack off to those girly posters in the Tanker chapter.

>>7812602
being a westaboo when that was desirable.

>>7818867
>Crawl to get a good shot of emma's crotch
>Call Pliskin to see if I get some response of it
>Nothing
Thanks a lot Hackjimbo.

>>7812336
He knew she was pregnat
He checked

>>7820000
Don't you get yelled at if you crawl on top of her while she's unconscious? Or am I thinking of Snake and Olga. Or both?

>>7818282
Imagine being this butthurt

>>7814663
Gamecube still runs games better than ps2. Look at literally any direct port.

>>7821008
Ocaton yells at you if you keep shooting tranq darts in Olga after the fight, don't know about Emma but it might be simliar

>>7821374
>literally any direct port
Like Bournout?

>>7811573
>MGS2 is considered a retro game
20 years already? What the fuck?