/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7808293
>immense input lag reduction
>immense core versatility
based

The only problem I ever had was either missing a BIOS or doing the portable version while neglecting to update DirectX. It's smooth sailing otherwise.

It's a big filter.

It's my best choice on Android

people dont know how to configure it

the program is based as fuck

>>7808293
It's the best one I've used.
I have a really weird problem with PS1 emulation though. If it's a PAL version of a game they never work and the screen just stays black, but if it's the NTSC version it works no problem. Even though my BIOSes are all correct and have been downloaded from where everyone downloads them.

>>7808293

>>7808293
i have a mid 2012 macbook pro running high sierra and and use an old build of retroarch. it seems to be the only way make emulation work on my machine. configuration can be a bit finicky but it’s not rocket science.

I'm a drooling retard and I was able to figure out how to use RA on my own within minutes.
You may want to seek medical attention if you're still having difficulties with RA's interface.

>>7808293

luv me retroarch
luv me standalone emus
simple as

>just werks
>ports to every platform under the sun
>extremely configurable
don't see the problem

It's nice with emulation station

It is great when it just works without much setup, but this is true only for some cores. I use it only on Android, savestates in Beetle PSX and PPSSPP are broken since forever and noone cares. Saturn cores cannot run Powerslave. Its config is a broken mess beyond the simplest things. I once set a button for PSX to be in Turbo mode to shoot all the time when button is pressed in Diablo. There is no way to unset turbo mode. Really. To do this you need to edit 20k lines config file with all entries unordered. Good luck with that on Android. Still eating the cactus because of unique features like runahead or menu open button combo and some cores like TyrQuake that cannot be used without RA.

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>>7808293
Genuinely interested: what didn't you like about it and what about it made you struggle ?

It's horrible.
It's needlessly difficult to configure a controller. Why on earth can't I just press the input I want to a button like every other emulator?

>>7808505
But, you can?

>>7808505
Because if it worked like every other emulator you would have to do map your inputs on every platform.

Instead you map your controller to a generic "virtual gamepad", which is itself already mapped to every console's inputs.

You do this once and and your inputs are mapped for every core.
So it's simpler but people bitch about it because they're used to emulators.

Also if you have a fairly popular controller you can use a gamepad profile that has your inputs already mapped.

>>7808521
>Instead you map your controller to a generic "virtual gamepad", which is itself already mapped to every console's inputs.
the problem is playing with a keyboard, or when the gamepad layout of the console being emulated greatly differs from the standard controller layout of today

how is this so hard for people to use? i'm not that tech savvy and I figured it out.

>>7808525
Retroarch is shit with mouse + keyboard platforms. The mouse has incredible input lag for some reason. You can capture the keyboard though so you don't hit RA's special keys accidentally.

If the virtual gamepad differs from the emulated gamepad, (or if RA default mapping suck) you can change the default mapping in the cores' Input options.

>>7808293
Only time I will ever use this piece of shit is for N64 games since it somehow runs Conker's Bad Fur Day than PJ64 ever did on my computer.

You've downloaded a program off the internet but oh no, it turns out you don't like to use it! What do you do?

A. Delete it off your computer
B. Post a million shitty threads about it on 4chan until the ass cancer finally ends your life

>>7808293
Sorry you were filtered.

>>7808293
There are 4 kinds of emulation threads on /vr/.
1. "WTF WHY DO STANDALONE EMULATORS NOT HAVE AN UI THIS SUCKS"
2. "WTF WHY DOES RETROARCH HAVE A SHIT UI THIS SUCKS"
3. "WTF WHY DO PEOPLE EMULATE INSTEAD OF PLAYING ON REAL HARDWARE THIS SUCKS"
4. "WTF WHY DO PEOPLE PLAY ON REAL HARDWARE INSTEAD OF EMULATING THIS SUCKS"
They all have one thing in common; no concrete answer is ever reached, but the threads keep being posted, over, and over, and over again. Isn't this board wonderful?

>>7808293
the menus are shit except rgui

>>7808293
only if you are really dumb to struggle to use such basic xmb menu

>>7808293
why does that font remind me of batman the animated series?

>>7808293
whatsa matta zoomie? don't ya know how to use a computah?

>>7808293
You only have to be smart. Follow one of the zillion tutorials, or use a frontend, or go for trial and error.

The time you spend shitposting could be better used.

>>7809876
>using XMB when ozone is an option

>>7808293
It’s pretty easy if you can read. Just install, set up and enjoy. I use it all the time on my Vita. Works great.

>>7809842
True, but the reason is simple: a answer was never intended, nor could be reached. All these kinds of threads are just rants. It's very rare for an anon to actually want help for overcoming a "challenge" (as if simple emulation was one) and learn something new. Makes me wonder if they live like that too.

>>7808293
>huh? just how was i supposed to know that "run" would start the game? why is this shit so hard?!?

>>7809856
Sometimes, I use it for nostalgia feelings. It's not only the style, it also remember me the first time RetroArch could by entirely controlled using a gamepad, making me notice it more.

>>7808367
I know how to use it too, but I can see why some people might be confused by the god damn PS3 bios menu of a UI.

>>7810046
>confused by the god damn PS3 bios menu of a UI
never been a problem before with PS3 or PSP

>>7810047
well they have to come up with an excuse for their hatred.

>>7810002
maybe I'm just a contrarian but I prefer xmb over ozone
either way
>using XMB or ozone when rgui is an option

>>7809856
I would use rgui if I could open the menu with background opacity like in xmb or ozone.

>>7810049
I don't hate it, I use it for most of my emulation needs... but I think the PC distro should have ozone set as default UI or something.

>>7810067
Depending on the theme, you can. There's even some default ones that provide some transparency. The intensity varies from theme to theme though.

>>7810113
it is

>>7808293
I can't believe people have trouble using this program. I can understand if you prefer using standalone emulators instead but if you can't figure out how to even use RetroArch you might be brain damaged.

>>7810119
all the default ones are semi transparent if I'm not mistaken

>>7808293
No, just masochistic. Adding extra syllables doesn't make you smarter.

>>7810119
>The intensity varies from theme to theme though.
Yeah, I wish I could set the opacity so I could do this with rgui

How fucking hard is it to make a menu like this? You're on a computer, not a fucking PS3.

>>7810323
it doesn't matter

>>7810323
Oh laddy, Retroarch does so much more than your Fisherprice emulator, and besides, Retroarch has all of this if you activate it.

>>7810362
Retroarch doesn't do jack shit. The emulators it leeches on do.

Trying to map controller inputs when your controller latout doesn’t match the typical 4 button config is an absolute nightmare. Completely unintuitive and designed for autistic retards with nothing better to do than flip switches all day. Go tweak your sliders on your GPU or whatever. Fucking morons

>>7808293
Yeah, it's fucking awful. Everything about the UI is absolute trash.

>>7810369
The shaders, button mapping, run-ahead, controller based-ui, and advanced scaling and cropping options all keep me coming back to RetroArch.
After I switched to it several years ago I've hardly touched any stand alone emulators for systems with cores in RetroArch since.

I think a lot of people have the problem of trying to do too many things at once with RetroArch. They want to have it recognize 20 different systems with thumbnails and organized game lists and custom button layouts that work for everything. They want to turn it into some front-end monstrosity like Hyperspin.

What RetroArch is better at is forgetting about having 90,000 roms and iso files at your disposal at once, but instead focusing on playing games a few at a time and really settling in to have the best possible experience when you're playing the game.

>>7810403
>shaders
Only CRT ones matter and Reshade has those too anyhow.
>button mapping
Unintuitive.
>run-ahead
No longer exclusive to it.
>controller based-ui
Zoom zoom.
>advanced scaling and cropping options
Even plugin-based emulators have those.

>>7810427
Reshade doesn't have as many relevant shader options as RetroArch and I think it's easier to tweak shader parameters in RetroArch.
RetroArch's button mapping is not the most intuitive, but -is- the most powerful and flexible, and that's what matters more to me.
I play my emulators on a separate CRT from my main PC set-up and don't want to be turning around to use the keyboard and mouse every time I want to do something.
Standalone emulators don't usually have the ability to specify exact x/y coordinates of the image and x/y image size. If they do it will be buried in an .ini file somewhere that needs manual text editing. Even less often will they have the easy ability to do integer scaling + cropping which is beneficial for me since I don't mind shaving a few lines of pixels of the top and bottom of the screen to get integer scaling.

>>7810403
>controller based-ui
This is literally the worst part of the whole thing. For an emulator solution that's all about tweaking and customizing, they put it in the most unintuitive and cumbersome possible UI for those things.

>>7810463
It's not unintuitive, it's just different. Once you use it for a while you understand why it is the way it is.
But I do think there should be a fully mouse+kb oriented UI designed for it.

RA was made for TV boxes. Earlier frontends that launched separate emulators were shitty solutions held together with rubber bands and popsicle sticks.
RA filled that niche and then continued to get features that weren't available on the standalone PC emulators. People started flocking to it and bitch because it doesn't have dropdown menus by default.
If you compare it to other frontends then it's very quick and easy to set up and configure.

>>7810474
>it's not unintuitive, you just have to spend a long time figuring it out to understand why everything is so difficult
Do you not understand what "intuitive" means?

>>7810476
>you now remember M.E.S.S.

>>7810308
There is no default rgui theme with 100% transparency, but I don't know if a custom one can be made.

I like transparencies too, but, as I'm using a underpowered device these times, I'm sticking to rgui for responsiveness, primarly.

>>7810323
There's an interface called "Desktop Menu", and it does exactly what you want. It comes with RetroArch and needs no further installing.

>>7810387
Tweak? RetroArch comes with sane defaults, almost no tweaking needed, unless you want to fiddle around, but that's with you.

>>7808361
mid 2012 macbook pro gang represent

>>7809856
How the fuck do I even setup rgui? I can work with standard Retroarch just fine but can't figure out how to setup rgui for the life of me.

>>7808297
>inmense core instability
>FUCKING RAMPANT overall unstability
>trying to save a screenshot
>FUCKING THING CRASHES
>trying to open a shader
>THING CRASHES
>cant change saved core settings anymore
>cant just delete config file
>MUST UNINSTALL AND RE-INSTALL EVERYTHING.
>Schis.0.ys keep shilling ''WERKS4MIIIII''

Retroarch is literally, UNSTABLE.

>>7808356
>posting dated selected edited videos that dont show up the fuckups of the whole things

C.uc.kShill

When did 4channlers become so stupid?
Even mouthbreathers playing with their lagdroid phones can figure out how to use this program.

>>7810594
I can't even fathom what you did. I've installed RetroArch in plenty of computers, Windows and Linux OSes, no case of instability. If I had to guess, you either misconfigured something while meddling with options beyond your understanding or deleted (unintentionally or not) necessary files. Screenshots are something I have no trouble even on a Raspberry Pi, let alone on Android or x86_64 machines.

>>7810638
>When did 4channlers become so stupid?
You should see them try to use MAME or even worse, understand how MAME rom sets work

>>7810671
Aaaaaaaaaaaand here's problem number 2.

lucky fuckers that assume everything is fine just cause they have their meme rig pcs with expensive gpus for cryptoshit and stuff.

but what about those who genuinely have it harder!?

You guys dont know how it is for us.

I was playing NintendoDs emulation on that thing for a few months and such, HAVE NOT meddled with video set ups in that time, and now, JUST a few moments ago, Dawn of Sorrow began to slog as long as my PC buffered the working light, and it NEVER happened before.

I swear man.

>>7810705
Nobody wants to update their fucking roms, mametranny.

>>7808293
Masochistic, and a little, admittedly... but if you actually care about shit that makes the games look better (less judder, decent scaling, shading, granular overscan/ratio adjustment), play more responsively (hard sync, runahead, frame delay), and configuring controls and settings per game... you'll fucking deal with it.

If you think all that shit's a meme, fine. Great. I envy your lack of perception. Have fun.

>>7808293
>sadomasochistic

I think you mean masochistic

>>7810757
people assume that when people complain about RA randomm fuckness and unstability, people are looking at us, as if we are the shitposters, but the idiots who just eat up the love spell mantra of "WERKS 4 MII", are glorified and put on a gold pedestal.

The thing is, RA works only for people with meme rigs, and those are usually the cryptofags/millenial/hipsturds pieces of fuck who just wanna meme gpus and now hard drives to the crypto scam and jerking off the prices even more.

>>7810427
>ReShade
spoken as someone who's never fucked with CRT shaders in ReShade. Getting scanlines to look right per program fucking sucks, and never, *ever* looks as good geom deluxe or royale in MAME and RA respectively.
>unintuitive button mapping
when you're right, you're right. This is among the few common bawwwws about RA I can get behind.
>run-ahead no longer exclusive
Asterisk. The vast majority of standalones don't have it.
>dude, adjusting shit without changing input devices is for QUEERS
So HOTAS flight setups are also for zoomers? Shut up, moron.
>implying scaling and cropping is nearly as granular in most emulators, let alone can be done per game like in RA
No

1/5 see me after class, loser.

>>7810403
Mostly based but RA can't into 6th gen and has a few smelly cores here and there. Up to Dreamcast is a-okay, though.

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>>7810757
what is this meme?
I used this thing for years on a dogshit celeron laptop and never experienced any of the bullshit people complain about here

>>7810817
Yeah, I still use Dolphin and Cemu.

>>7810757
>UST a few moments ago, Dawn of Sorrow began to slog as long as my PC buffered the working light, and it NEVER happened before.
Something going on with your PC, maybe an update being installed in the background.

>>7810760
Don't update your mame then
>this confuses the zoomie who has been conditioned by their phone and game consoles to automatically update as soon as a new version is available

>>7808293
I don't understand why you would think that. I have installed RetroPie on my Pi 4 with no issues. Games run just fine. Had some issues getting TG-16/CD games to work, but got them going after an hour of googling.

What issues are you having?

>>7810861
>Had some issues getting TG-16/CD games to work, but got them going after an hour of googling.

was it anything like
>black screen? I need a BIOS?
>why does this archive have a bunch of MP3s in it? why can't I find a normal bin/cue image?
>where do I put the BIOS in retroarch?

>>7810067
>>7810308
>>7810323
>trying to change these set ups NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF GAMING
>only works for a while, then teh program auto crashes or fucks up
>DUUURRRR ITS YARL FAULT YOU DID SOMETHING YOU SHOULDNT WHILE GAMING STOOOPID!

>>7810823
You're the meme, kid.

>>7810883
Something wrong with your computer brah.
Run a stress test on it to see if it's overheating or if you've got some CPU or RAM instability.

>>7810842
I fired up mame after a couple months to play my one rom of Metal Slug and it gave me that outdated rom bullshit when it was just fine the last time I played it.

I only ever tried it on my phone and Vita, I was in both instances disappointed, it was almost unusable on the vita, sla. Shame really, the idea of it is pretty based.

>>7810881
>I need a BIOS
&
>where do I put the BIOS
yes

>>7808293
Maybe, depend on what cores you're using
It still hasn't integrated MAME Current fully unlike FBANeo, and if you play it with keyboard it's another layer of difficulty to be passed.
Things like pressing P button will trigger Pause twice, first from MAME then from RA itself. Same with Save/Load State which have different hotkey.
You can clean it up but took a lot of time

>>7810638
I think most people can figure out how to use it, they just don't like the unintuitive interface.

>>7810323
yes

>>7808525
>when the gamepad layout of the console being emulated greatly differs from the standard controller layout of today
That's a lot of words to say N64

>>7811021

>>7810323
I'm guessing everybody defending Retroarch here uses it on consoles and mobile. This shit is unusable on PC with a keyboard.

Thankfully Vita has a million other (legacy PSP) emus because Retroarch never worked for me

>>7810757
I use retroarch on a bunch of different devices. My gaming PC, a 6 year old laptop, my Android phone and a Playstation classic.
>>7810757
Just delete RA and start fresh. Something in the settings must have just stopped working right. Happened to me more times than I can count.

>>7811380
>with a keyboard
If you had said mouse you’d have an argument

i never really gave retroarch a chance desu. the UI just seems like a huge pain in the ass. yes i am a 22 year old zoomer but i much prefer CLI emulators like mednafen so it's not like i'm tech illiterate

>>7810757
>>7810791
I genuinely laughed out loud reading this schizo babble.

>>7811380
Last I checked it had a desktop ui

>>7810757
Do you mean my meme cryptoshit Celeron coupled with an Intel HD Graphics? Granted, I play only old stuff (5th-gen and below), so it should be enough. I'm not from the USA, just from a poorfag country. I haven't ever seen a meme rig personally, so my friends and I always put up with hardware limitations. In that sense, RetroArch is a godsend, not only because it's good (provided you don't want to master it in 2 minutes), but because it also run in many systems (I'm only Linux).

Please, I'm not trying to bash you in any sense, even if I sounded annoyed. My point is: anyone should begin with a by-the-book installation, and, when they master the basics, they can fiddle around if they want, but mostly there isn't even a need to. I use RetroArch for 9 years now, and always had good results sticking close to the defaults (I only change button remaps, some core options and the theme).

>>7811639
last time i tried it you still had to use the other ui for certain things, it didn't have everything available

>>7811849
They update it regularly. If you'd like, give it a shot and see if it's good for you now.

>>7808356
this retarded strawman webm gets posted in every thread. but nobody has a problem with launching games. thats not why people dislike retroarch

>>7811435
>Just delete RA and start fresh. Something in the settings must have just stopped working right. Happened to me more times than I can count
>the fact that this happens at all

Yeah, RA is unstable.

>>7808293
why yes, in fact i beat mario 64 using retroarch
USING TOUCH CONTROLS

>>7808361
Have you tried an old version of OpenEmu? It’s been my best solution for Mac (2015 MacBook Pro)

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retards, liars, trolls

>>7812215
>retards, liars, trolls
And since you didn't link the posts properly no one will ever review which posts you're calling out and never even know if they were called out themselves. Good job, you retarded waste of space.

>>7812229
He has nothing to say, plus he seems afraid of confrontations; posts were probably linked wrong on purpose.

How come in 1999 I could boot up SNES9x or ZSNES on my parents' Pentium II equipped store-bought PC and play Super Mario World in fullscreen smooth as butter with no hitching and no input lag but on my modern modest beast of a system it has unbearable input lag when played fullscreen?

>>7810421
>They want to have it recognize 20 different systems with thumbnails and organized game lists and custom button layouts that work for everything.
Is that so outrageous?

>>7812498
You didn't notice the input lag because you were a kid who just liked playing games instead of being a cynical fuck who cares too much about how people online want him to experience games.

>>7812549
I don't think that's it.

>>7812498
Some of the extras they have now drive up CPU usage pretty heavily. Did you check to make sure the game was still running full speed? Also it could be your monitor, I'm sure back then you were using a CRT while LCDs are still kind of sucky unless you've gotten a newer 120hz+ refresh rate one with low input lag.

>>7812554
Been using a TN panel @ 1080p. Maybe I'll try again when OLED or QLED 4k 120+hz VRR monitors become much more affordable/existent.

>>7812570
TN typically has the lowest input lag but if it's only 60hz then it's going to feel noticeably slower than a CRT. I recently got a low input lag 144hz TN panel and it's so much better than my old LCD, the difference is extremely noticeable, and it was only about $180.

>>7808293
>Have iq of 80
>Use RA because it isn't hard to figure out

>Have iq below 80
>Come to 4chan to post duckstation threads daily and ask Y RETROARCH SO HARD TO USE

>>7808505
User error
The problem is you

>>7812531
No, which is why it works with retroarch if you have a brain

>>7812498
>unbearable input lag
Doubtful
>How come in 1999 I could boot up SNES9x or ZSNES on my parents' Pentium II equipped store-bought PC and play Super Mario World in fullscreen smooth as butter with no hitching
CRT monitor with VGA input

>>7810480
You can be intuitive and "common" for retarded people while still have tons of layers to figure out. Modern UX is designed around this. You are using a modern device to post... right?

>>7812652
But RetroArch's UI is NOT intuitive, it's clunky and shitty and hard to navigate.

>>7812645
>CRT + VGA
this, and a gameport controller. I've tried RA in WinXP with this combination recently and it's a frame faster than my OLED/HDMI/USB setup.

>>7812652
>You are using a modern device to post... right?
What do modern devices have to do with outdated PSP-tier XMB bullshit?

>>7808293
I use it and enjoy choking women during sex so no

>>7812498
There was some lag, you just didn't notice it.

>>7812691
How did you measure that comparison?

>>7812674
Yeah but at least I can navigate it from the comfort of my couch.

>>7812674
There are different kinds of intuitive. There's the kind that's easy for beginners, and the kind that's easy for power users. Some people might consider a purely .ini based system to be intuitive because that's just editing text files.

RetroArch skews towards power users and doesn't do a lot of hand holding. Which I like about it.

>>7812829
>inb4 not gud enough
I tend to use Kirby Super Star's samurai reaction minigame as a 'ballpark' latency test. After a few rounds I very quickly know where one setup stands over another.

>>7812865
Try using the lag test on 240p test suite if you can.

>>7812860
>RetroArch skews towards retards

>>7808505
You are absolutely right. I HATE the "virtual gamepad" shit they came up with. I wish I knew enough coding to fork the stupid fucking shit and remove the virtual gamepad cancer! I understand the choices behind it, but goddamn it should be an option, not an obligation

>>7812870
I imagine that without some sort of external testing shit it's all sort of 'ballpark'. I get the same scores on this stupid minigame like clockwork after a few rounds, it's good enough for me. Might try that eventually, but I imagine the only way to really know expensive/hard to set up shit I don't wanna deal with.

>>7812920
Using a wii, for example:
You use a video splitter and connect a CRT (the baseline) and the display device you're testing. Then you use the 240p suite and perform the tests. I totally understand your position but it's not that expensive or hard to set up

>>7812895
Why do you hate it ? Would you rather map your inputs to countless cores directly ? If not what's a better solution ?

>>7808521
>if it worked like every other emulator you would have to do map your inputs on every platform.
You say that as if it's a bad thing. What if I want different inputs mapped on different platforms? For example, when I play SNES games I want the face buttons to match the positions on the SNES controller, but when I play NES games I like to map B to the left face button and A to the bottom face button so my thumb can comfortably rest across both of them. I don't want A and B to be in the SNES positions on an NES game, and neither do they need to be since my gamepad has more face buttons than the NES controller does. I also map Start and Select to the other 2 face buttons since they're not used anyway.

>>7812957
You can map everything as you want under the core's options.

>>7812959
>>7812957
Quick menu > Controls

>>7812957
>retard complaining about virtual pad doesn't even know about quick menu>controls
/vr/ is getting worse everyday

>>7812968
this is the average retard shitting on RA: zero effort to adapt

>>7812965
>>7812968
>change the controls for the currently running content
So I can't change the controls for the whole emulator? I have to adjust the controls on every game I run? How is this an improvement over just setting up the controls on each emulator with "click -> press button to assign" one time for all games?

>>7812976
>he also doesn't know about core and game-specific overrides
bro..

>>7812957
Then you can do exactly that as other anons have already pointed out.

>>7812978
Why does RetroArch have so many shitty layers to it that require encyclopedic knowledge to understand? I can download a regular emulator and get it playing games how I want in 2 seconds.

>>7812948
Having the option of a manual override where I can disable the virtual gamepad for one, some, or ALL cores if I decide so

>>7812976
You can save it as per core or per game.
>How is this an improvement over just setting up the controls on each emulator with "click -> press button to assign" one time for all games?
You can do that too with "remap binds for this core" set and then using the Settings > Input > Port # Binds > Bind All function.

>I have to adjust the controls on every game I run?
No. You ought to be able to set the default virtual pad mappings to work pretty well across the board with minimal per core changes, and once you've set a core it should work for all games for that core from then on if you save it as a core preset. If you need per-game settings that is also possible.

>>7812990
Have you seen the goddamn options menu for the thing? It's made for consoletards and phonecucks, plain and simple.

>>7812990
Because it's designed to be that way on purpose for power and flexibility.
>I can download a regular emulator and get it playing games how I want in 2 seconds.
Then go do it and leave RetroArch users alone who like the program the way it is.

>>7812990
Exactly. Ease of use is quickly dismissed as "fisher price-ish" and other ridiculous retorts, basically because nobody wants to accept they were forced to waste their time learning the "retroarch way", which is counterintuitive as all hell. They think this gives them some manner of "emulation street cred" which is incredibly inane to begin with. And before I'm accused of falsehoods, yes, I am (sadly) a frequent user of RetroArch. Doesn't mean I have to like it or defend it, but it does mean it's largely a monopoly, especially on certain hardware setups.

>>7813009
RetroArch is a good idea in theory, but the execution is trash.
>leave RetroArch users alone
You might want to check the OP and think about what thread this is.

>>7813001
Every emulator has a "virtual gamepad". If you disable it you can't control the game.
What you want is to be able to see a screen with the buttons for the corresponding core and then be able to press a button on your gamepad to correspond to that button.

Maybe not a bad idea at all, but currently not the way RetroArch's design theory is set-up.

>>7813023
Every RetroArch discussion like this just reminds me of Windows vs Linux discussion. Where Windows users say Linux is unintuitive and Linux users say no it's flexible and they like it that way.

>>7813027
You're arguing semantics, all the while agreeing with me. I could waste my time explaining why I think your definitions are wrong, or I can tell you agree with the general sentiment of my argument and leave it at there. Honestly, thanks for posting. I am tired of the RA fanboys telling me (and everyone in dissent) that their way to do things is gospel, and "fuck you for thinking otherwise".

>>7813009
If you believe RetroArch is designed to be flexible, that's only because you've never tried to stray from the One True RetroArch Way. More power to you, but that doesn't make it flexible, it makes you pliable and easily influenced.

>>7813037
Works fine for me.

>>7812990
>I can download a regular emulator and get it playing games how I want in 2 seconds.
Maybe for the most common platforms.
Try it with Saturn, Xbox, PS3, X68000 it's a different story.
Even Dolphin and Cemu require some tinkering if you have a slower system.

>>7813032
Pretty much. Linux users then look at the desktop adoption rates and get it. Linus Torvalds gets it. He even talks about it in at least one video that I can remember. But you wasted years getting shit to work, so of course, it's YOUR fault for denouncing Linux as very antagonistic, instead of biting the bullet and waste your time, just like everybody else.

>>7812990
>I can download a regular emulator and get it playing games how I want in 2 seconds.
Yeah but you would have to repeat the process of configuring everything from inputs to video to rom folders everytime you download a new one.

RA seems so tedious because emulators take small, well known, incremental steps to get running.

With RA the effort required is higher at the beginning but then the pleasure of just adding new cores and have everything basically already configured pays off

>>7813001
Retroarch only makes sense in a multi emulator setup. If you want to map your inputs directly to the targets consoles, use separate emulators because that would make no sense in RA

>>7812939
Eventually. The quick takeaway is that one will get much more latency through digital input/display connections and a flat panel not designed with low latency in mind. That's why people, for the most part, experience much more lag than they did during the 98/XP + CRT era. Not to mention shit like DWM/Aero gumming up the works, with no way around it unless your emu supports exclusive fullscreen mode in particular.

>>7813089
>unless your emu supports exclusive fullscreen
Which emulator doesn't?

>>7813089
I can get pretty-fucking-close through my Mayflash wireless adapter and C9 OLED though, close enough to accept all the other niceties with it for like a frame. Almost no difference at all with a Logitech USB controller.

>>7813095
I recall Nestopia using DWM/borderless fullscreen, as I'd have vsync off and it still wouldn't tear as soon as I used Windows 8 and newer. So it must have been using DWM's forced triple buffering + vsync. PCSX2. Older Higan/BSNES versions.

>>7812976
You can change controls per core and have game specific controls that will auto activate when you launch that game

>>7810936
>I fired up mame after a couple months to play my one rom of Metal Slug and it gave me that outdated rom bullshit when it was just fine the last time I played it.
New versions of mame aren't backwards compatible with old roms if a better dump comes out. If you don't like updating your roms, keep using the old version of mame.
If you're being retarded and using mame inside retroarch you should probably stop, but you could try one of those cores like Mame2003 that aims to be compatible with random old-ass roms you downloaded off coolrom.

>>7808293
What are you incapable of doing on it?

>>7808293
Adding games is the most annoying part for me, the way the selector doesn't remember the last folder you were in and makes you navigate from C:, to Users, to [name], to desktop every time for example is obnoxious. It's really easy to use good CRT filters with Retroarch though, so I let it slide.

>>7814149
>Adding games is the most annoying part for me
managing cheats is way worse

>>7814617
Managing cheats wouldn't be so bad if there was a option to generate a file, so you could replace the content of the file.
Both of those is still not as bad as silently crashing if you encounter a form of error.

it works for me, the interface is a little shitty but nothing worse than any other rom manager or emulator frontend
people always cite dolphin as the best standalone emu ui but frankly it's pretty shit, per-game configs are awful for instance, rpcs3 does it way better and people should be copying that instead of dolphin

>>7808293
Any multi-emulator system is gonna take a bit of effort to learn. Just comes with the territory. Unlike other setups like MESS this at least has shaders and input lag reduction.
>>7813032
Pretty fitting because a lot of RA devs and its early users came from a Linux background. There was a time when Retroarch could only officially configured through the command line because of neurotic Linux purism.

did they release the pcsx2 core yet? only thing i'm really interested in since pcsx2 devs decided to move away from windows 7 and i'm not going to change the os on an 8 year old pc

>>7813216
>New versions of mame aren't backwards compatible with old roms if a better dump comes out.
Why is this? That doesn't happen with other emulators.

>>7814892
best thing you can do in RA is lock the version so it doesn't update when you update all cores
go into the information tab and prevent it from updating

>>7815039
But why do MAME updates break ROM support in the first place? That doesn't happen on emulators for home consoles, so it seems weird to me.

>>7808293
If you're okay with being data mined by Microsoft, there's really no need to use it. Windowsbabbies are stupid enough to think that downloading 8 different emulators and managing 8 different configurations between them is easier than spending 2 minutes setting up Retroarch.

But seriously:

CONFIGURATION -> INPUT -> CONFIG GAMEPAD 1
CONFIGURATION -> INPUT -> HOTKEYS
DIRECTORY -> FILE BROWSER -> SET THE DIRECTORY
MAIN MENU -> CONFIGURATION -> SAVE CONFIG
ONLINE UPDATER -> DOWNLOAD WHATEVER

Why do people act like this is the most difficult thing on the planet? The initial setup is near identical to any other emulator minus the core downloader.

>>7809842
>Isn't this board wonderful?

>>7809842
Maybe the real answer was the shitposting we did along the way.

>>7809842
>1. "WTF WHY DO STANDALONE EMULATORS NOT HAVE AN UI THIS SUCKS"
But all standalone emulators do have a UI, so this complaint would just be factually incorrect.

>>7815048
Console emulators emulate one machine, in mame each game is a different machine. They chose not to keep the code for the old rom dumps when a more accurate dump of the boards becomes available. It would potentially cause issues due to dependencies on bios roms and parent roms.

>>7815246
>that downloading 8 different emulators and managing 8 different configurations between them is easier than spending 2 minutes setting up Retroarch.
It is
>But seriously: worthless text
do cheat management next
>Why do people act like this is the most difficult thing on the planet?
They don’t
>The initial setup is near identical to any other emulator
just as shit and none shit are near identical

>>7815263
He was probably referring to a graphical UI, but whatever.

>>7815297
>he unironically agrees
>cheating
Fuck off back to the project64 forums.

>>7815315
Which standalone emulator has a command line interface?

>>7815327
Mednafen does.

>>7815393
But that's a multi-system emulator.

>>7810817
I used libretro-dolphin (to beat like 20 games) and will use libretro-pcsx2 once it's out of alpha. Questions?

>>7812498
How did I play Crysis at like 25 fps to completion in 2007 when I was 12 and why can't I stand sub60 fps in the same game in 2021? You were a kid who didn't know shit.

>>7815451
Oh, alright then.

>>7814801
Yes and rhythm games like frequency and amplitude play great

>>7814801
Just install linux on it

>>7814149
Use the recently played list or scan a folder for ROMs and have RetroArch create a game list.

ITT idiots cannot into RetroArch because of IQ 10

god bless libretro and retroarch devs

>>7814149
>he doesn't even know how to add games
Can't make this shit up

I just wish the x60k core wasn't dogshit, though I don't know the state of x68k emulation so it might not be their fault. Still can't play a number of games

>>7815761
>>7814149
Are you fucking retarded? You literally can set any directory you desire to be the starting one for the file browser? How are you this inept?

>>7808293
Yes. It's a messy UI. Which is why I prefer individual emulators.

>>7815812
same, but please understand that we need another higan fork

>>7815814
I don't keep all my roms in one folder.

>>7811380
>This shit is unusable on PC with a keyboard.
Like 99% of the games Retroarch is intended for

>>7816015
RetroArch is fully usable with a keyboard, and there are a lot of players who play with a keyboard as their main controller.

>>7810594
Works on my machine

>>7816110
you are such a fucking liar.

>>7816015
you just need to git gut

how to use the WIMP gui in linux?

>>7815761
You have to rescan every time you add a game
>>7815801
>>7815814
I just said it's annoying, why get so defensive? I hope you're being paid at least.

>>7816234
>You have to rescan every time you add a game
No you don't.

>why get so defensive?
Because literally nothing of what you've said is true. So you're either lying or you're immensely stupid and seemingly illiterate. There's a scan directory and a scan file. So you can in fact add single games to your library without rescanning. And you also don't have to browse from whatever the default directory is every single time like you claimed earlier. You can choose your own and every thinking person will pick their ROMs folder for that.

Why are RA-haters so threatened by an emulator? It's not as if there's constant threads with people sucking RetroArch's dick. It's always the opposite with people who are actually just too stupid to use it complaining about how hard it is to use lmao

>>7808356
I still prefer my Dosbox ECE and GZDOOM
keep shilling your shitstation UI with garbage cores somewhere else, because even raddit came to hate all of you for pandering HRT eunuchs.

>>7816376
What are you even talking about? Dosbox and Retroarch should have no overlap whatsoever. The Dosbox core sucks ass. No one uses that. Dosbox is complex enough as it is. If things start off by you having to define a hotkey that disables all Retroarch hotkeys just so you can use your keyboard, you know you're in for a shit show. But please, go ahead and tell us more about the opinions of your reddit friends and hormone therapy. You seem to care a lot about those things.

>>7816402
>noooo you cant shit retroarch
you faggots are the zoomer gen final burn shills

>>7816284
>Because literally nothing of what you've said is true
Even if that's the case it doesn't justify hurling a string of insults at me. It's more complicated adding games to Retroarch than any other emulator I've used (indluding mesen, , ZSNES, snes9x, visualboyadvance, PPSSPP, Dolphin, Mednafen, PCSX2, and so on). You just sound like a rabid fanboy, and being a fanboy for an emulator is somehow even more pathetic than being a console fanboy, so congrats on that.
>>7816406
This, it's embarrassing.

>>7816123
Not him and also works on my machine.

>>7816412
I remember trying to play SF2T on Final burn and getting shitty responses, while Kawaks was smooth as fuck for CPS 1, 2 and neo geo.

but the way they shilled it as "URRR ULTIMATE FIGHTING GAEM EMULATOR" was deplorable like what RA shills does it nowadays, even the witchunting here at /vr/ because of Reshade now hosting RA shaders ports and Cores going standalone with better results.

and some time ago they were really pushing their shitty dosbox updated core until VOGONS forks(ECE and X) fucked them again.

>>7816338
Retroarch having CRT shaders and runahead helps knock hardwarefags down a peg
Not sure what the motivation is for other emufags tho. I guess just wounded pride for not being able to figure it out?

>>7816446
Because NO One wants fucking steam of emulators.

also Retroarch CRT library got replicated by reshade with crosire helping on it as the updates goes by with people porting them.

SNES9x is still a good alternative along with standalone BSNES for Super Nintendo and Supa Famicom games, also SEGA has Kega Fusion which can use Dgvoodoo2 Wrapper for extra horsepower at fullscreen like anisotropy, better integer scaling and higher resolutions.

>>7816472
you are a funny guy

>>7816481
He's right.

>>7816472
I like how you have no response for the runahead aspect

>>7816486
Uh huh, it’s totally not a personal issue

>>7816472
>>SEGA has Kega Fusion which can use Dgvoodoo2 Wrapper for extra horsepower at fullscreen like anisotropy, better integer scaling and higher resolutions.
???
this is bait right?

>>7816412
>it doesn't justify hurling a string of insults at me.
Oh but I think it does. And we've pretty much established at this point that you have no business deciding what's complicated and what isn't. Because if this shit gives you trouble then let me tell you imo you haven't yet done a single thing in your life that qualifies as "complicated. Ok? See this isn't even about RetroArch at all or whether or not I think it's good or not. This is about me making you come to terms with your own obtuseness. It's just not possilbe for a person of even an average intellect to read about your experience of struggling with simply scanning directories in a fully featured and finalized GUI, without the mental image of a drooling ape or someone who barely escaped down syndrome sitting in front of the computer forming in one's mind.

>>7816446
>>7816491
Runahead relies on savestates to work. It's literally cheating and it has no place in proper emulators. But of course retrosoyarch users want to cheat literally 24/7.

>>7816521
Unlike before, now I have indeed hurled a "string of insults" your way, you whiny little bitch. Now clean your dirty ass back up and gtfo, bc I'm done with you.

>>7816524
>>7816529
is there any better feeling knowing a program makes people seethe this much?

>>7810594
this is true, and I've tried it three different machines with several installations and reinstallations on each. If you think this isn't true, youre just being dishonest

>>7816536
funny, I've installed and set it up on multiple friends computers and they have no problems using it

>>7816515
It isnt
Fusion uses uses ddraw.dll
You can pair it with a wrapper, in this case DgVoodoo2 to make use of everything the wrapper has since the emulator is now running on DX11+

also you can really shove MSAA + Anisotropy filtering in it just for shits and giggles.

>>7810067
How can I make my rgui look like this?

>>7816558
dude kega is an ancient emulator, having to use dxwand or dgvoodoo to get fullscreen in any modern computer isn't a feature, is a workaround
enabling msaa and anisotropic filtering doesn't fucking do anything
and what the fuck is "extra horsepower at fullscreen" and "better integer scaling"? this shit doesn't even make any sense

>>7816628
cope

>>7816628
>he doesn't know
kek

>>7816675
know what?

>>7816615
I just edited one of the wallpaper assets for rgui.

I can't get it to work properly on my phone, but I'm a bit tarded.

>>7810594
Sounds like a 'you' problem.

>>7816472
>SEGA has Kega Fusion
What year is it, 2001?

>>7816675
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing_Commander_III:_Heart_of_the_Tiger

>>7817102
It just works

>>7808293
>immense input lag reduction
Based as all fuck
>everything else
fuck

I'll never defend RA's interface or user experience but once you put in about 25 hours of painstaking config it's pretty great

I took a fucking 6 year break from playing video games, came back, used RetroArch no problem. The only thing I looked up was what the best core was for every system I wanted to emulate on the fucking Emulation Wiki.

The fuck is wrong with some of you braindead retards?

its ass
but if you're unable to ignore a thread about shit you dislike
you're definitely not gonna be able to download and maintain separate emulation programs for each system

i would argue that you should just by a system if you enjoy it
life is short

All in one - check
CRT filters - check
Retroachievements - check
Easy to update cores - check
Easy to backup (saves and custom configurations) - check
Automatic controller configuration (btw I use custom remaps for Mega Drive and arcade games) - check

I use RetroArch mostly for NES, SNES, GBA, Mega Drive, Saturn, PS1, PCEngine and Arcade

Sometimes I use Duckstation, Redream, PCSX2, Dolphin, Mesen, Bsnes and mGBA

>>7815471
Nah, I don't think so.

having had even worse trouble with the other frontend programs, here's my retroarch advice to make sure runs smoother than an engine

>UPDATE YOUR COMPUTER
>DON'T FORGET BIOS
>find a good core for a console and stick with it
>don't fuck with the core settings too much
>don't fuck with shaders on 5th gen + above, especially if you have a shitty computer
>save controller configs
>F5 for desktop menu to make ricing easier

haven't had any core fuck ups except for dolphin this time round good luck OP

>>7817102
Last release of Kega Fusion was in 2010. GenplusGX might be the best Genesis emulator, but it can't play 32X and Kega is better than that Picodrive shit. It's fine to have both on your computer. I mean I do play emulators on a real computer and not a mini fagbox.

>>7816412
>It's more complicated adding games to Retroarch than any other emulator I've used
Are you trying to automatically scan for roms or something? Set your start directory to your main roms folder. Settings > Directory > File Browser. Then pick Start Directory when you want to load games.
>but I have roms scattered all over my hard drive
move them

i don't give a shit what anyone says, i have it all set up for multiple consoles, never had a problem and it's been objectively better than any other standalone emulator i've used

simple as

>>7817406
>Automatic controller configuration (btw I use custom remaps for Mega Drive and arcade games) - check
This is one of the biggest pros for me. The fact that I can have core and game specific input overrides is a must have especially for arcade games.

>>7816472
Alright, you seem satisfied. So, what's the problem? Did RetroArch erase all your favorite emulators from the Internet? Or RetroArch devs killed all other devs? As far as I can see, anyone can still write his/her own emulator and don't give RetroArch a shit. Nothing changes for you. So, why the hate?

Do large romsets still make this piece of shit crash? For a while I was coping with it by putting the games I currently want to play in a temporary folder and loading from that, but eventually I realized I should probably just stop using badly coded software and go back to the standalone emulators that don't fucking crash on me.

>>7819089
The fbneo romset that I have runs fine and it has 6.677 files. idk if that is considered large though.

>>7816509
Drop the s.0.y

>>7810594
>>7810757
>too retarded to use retroarch