/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7808423
Zelda 2 isn't that hard and FF8's difficulty hits zero the moment you junction Firaga to Squall's strength. Here's a real pleb filter.

All filters are pleb filters

>>7808423
Pleb filters just mean that the games are bad, right?

>>7808423
>jrpgs filtering anyone
maybe filter retards.
pic related is a pleb, casual and normie filter.

>>7808913
Yes, it's an autism test. If you enjoy these games and play them to the end you have autism.

>>7808917
zelda 2 is an action game

>>7808929
He's referring to the other "game" which is more like a movie or visual novel actually.

>>7808937
fair enough, jarpigs are the opposite of pleb filters, "patrician filters" if you will

ninja gaiden act v
>get hit
>wall behind you
>attach to it automatically
>cant attack
>jump off
>get hit
>rinse and repeat until dead or lucky enough to get off
least i got this far for a first time player

>>7808423
I played FFVIII on Xbox a month or so ago and just turned off random encounters. Problem solved.

>>7808423

>>7809017
I’d imagine most people playing the OG Metroid now would just use a walkthrough so it’s not really a pleb filter anymore.

>>7809021
The act of using a walkthrough means you've been filtered

>>7809025
Meh not really. If you complete the game then you complete the game.

"pleb filter" is the most overused word on this website.

>>7809032
It’s just /v/ tourists spreading their shitty buzzwords here. Just like garbage /tv/ posters coming here and calling everything based and kino.

"pleb filter" is the most overused phrase on this website.

>>7808879
>he doesn't know what a pleb filter is

>B-but you can hit yourself!

>>7809037
similar in nature to posting overused pictures of a fat jew from an unfunny comedy show?

>>7809118
is that a remaster? it looks incredible. I never hear about this one. maybe I just need to lurk more.

>>7809158
GBA version of FF2, you could consider it the first real FF game.

>>7809031
>If you complete the game then you complete the game.
Nope

>>7809232
Sure thing, anon.

>>7809138
filtered

>>7809138
Hi, /tv/! Just FYI you’re by far the worst board on the entire site and everyone fucking hates you.

>>7809238
>turns on god mode
if you complete the game you complete the game
>bestubbled gay uncle sits behind you like patrick swayze in ghost, whispering where to go in your ear
if you complete the game you complete the game
>savestate hop every 2 seconds
if you complete the game you
>mouth hangs open and drool runs down chin
you're retarded, and filtered

>>7809025
Not really. It should be only games that even if you knew what to do, you still couldn't because you sucks at playing that game.

>>7809180
The extra is also great. Amazing game, hated because jrpg fans hardly like something that is not generic(like how many breath of fire fans hate the amazing bof v)

>>7809138
>hating the greatest television show of all time

>>7808423
>YOU HAVE TO SEPDN HOURS GINRIDNG MAGIC TO WIN LMAOOO
I don't think there's any video game "opinion" that makes me cringe harder than this one. Imagine being so retarded.

>>7809245
Sneed

>>7809432
>jew humor for goyim boomers is the greatest show ever made
kill yourself you subhuman filth

>>7809632
It’s funnier than any British show.

>>7809634
I could not imagine anything more digusting than liking Seinfeld. Imagine being a 50 year old gen x retard and coming home after a long day of grinding it out at your meaningless 9-5 job, only to then load up a show about the invaders who have taken over your country and the le wacky xD scenarios they experience. You open your dirty mouth and guffaw at every stale, cringe-inducing joke laid upon you by the jew puppets that you think are your relatable peers, only to once again go to sleep, wake up and pour more time and effort into the military industrial complex just so you can come home and laugh more at the invaders who exist only to occupy your dim mind for long enough that you might forget who caused your troubles in the first place. Seinfeld is fucking trash and anybody who would willingly engage in watching it should be euthanized.

>>7809661
Still funnier than your favorite tv show.

>>7809661
Based as fuck.

>keeping up with a shit game is considered a filter now
Ok, whatever.

>>7809674
t. jew-loving goyim retard

>>7809232
>If you won the lottery, then it isn't money because you didn't work for it. Ok, you bought a mansion, private jet and a bunch of yachts, but you're poor, it's not real money.

>>7809661
This reads like you're ashamed of the erection you get every time you see George Costanza's virule bald head. It's OK, there's nothing to be ashamed of.

>>7809736
>YOU DONT LIKE MY JEW SHOW BECAUSE UR GAY LOL
Keep sucking that circumsized cock jew-lover.

>>7809632
>>7809634
>>7809661
Home Improvement > Seinfeld

>>7809296
Not being able to figure out what to do means you suck, you fucking inbred
>>7809728
In your dumb life = a video game analogy, using a walkthrough is analogous to using something that doesn't exist within life itself

>>7809031
Not if you cheated

>>7809118
That looks patrician af

>>7810089
Wait, you really think that, when playing Metroid, you're inside Samus suit and stuff? It's kind of... A special world to you? A world within the cartridge? No interference from the outside? Man, people get hyped over this VR technology, but you were already further... And way before them. You were INSIDE the game, anon! You're such a special fella! That's why the others use walkthroughs, because they live in their dumb lives... No space pirates, no morph balls... Just the boring daily grinding.

>>7810117
>Wait, you really think that, when playing Metroid, you're inside Samus suit and stuff?
No, dummy. The point is that the game is self-contained and a walkthrough is assistance from outside the game. But in life, everything that we know of at the moment is contained within life, so playing the lottery isn't like using a walkthrough

>>7810117
Playing Metroid with a walkthrough is like running a hedge maze while someone in a helicopter tells you which way to go through an earpiece

>>7809025
Can I not look up a map beforehand or must I draw one myself?

>>7810151
Why would you need to draw or even look at a map for Metroid? Unlike games like Wizardry, the only way to get lost in Metroid is by being a brainlet.

>>7809025
Part of the game is solving the maze. In fact that's what makes metroid unique. Other platformers are just straight lines Not only did you not complete the game you missed out on the whole reason people play it.

>>7810172
Exactly right

>>7810151
Ideally neither, but drawing one while you progress obviously isn't as glaring a cheat as looking at someone else's map

>>7810151
Just focus on the environments and remember where you've been, really try to remember your path instead of wandering mindlessly. Pay attention to patterns in the tiles and assume that breaks in familiar patterns are suspicious. I beat Metroid for the first time without any map drawing after a /vr/ anon gave me those pieces of advice.

>>7809025
False, these types of games were designed to be frustratingly difficult to figure out, first as a way to create a market for game tip hotlines and later for published strategy guides. The internet and shit like gamefaqs made that go away but the design decisions remain baked into modern games.

>>7810161
>Wizardry
Opinion discarded
>>7810186
>as glaring a cheat
How the hell have you figured out mazes in games before then? I'm constantly jotting down where to go on burger wrappings and whatever I can find on my desk.

>>7810230
The only thing you'll miss in Metroid with no walkthrough are some energy tanks, missile tanks, and a couple early beam power-ups, none of which are necessary for progressing in or completing the game.

>>7810234
Literally just pay attention to where you're going and remember it. Mentally count rooms, visualize where you are in relation to where you started. Use your brain instead of going into autopilot mode.

This kills the zoomie

>>7810257
once you understand that you press the opposite direction slightly before you press jump, it's easy
bomb balling however can go fuck itself in every fucking hack out there

>>7810236
I've heard people claim there is no way to know how to open the glass tube thing as if it's a puzzle from Simon's Quest or something. I mostly agree with you but there's this idea that back in the day we didn't use any guides whatsoever which simply isn't true... You shared tips with your friends at school and at least one of you probably had a Nintendo Power subscription or the official guide. There was an entire market for these things that no longer exists because you can look up the same info for free now.

>>7810242
>Literally just pay attention to where you're going and remember it.
>Every screen looks the exact same
>One wrong move means death
>Normally ten minutes of exploring this shit
Unless you're rain man the only way to use your brain is by jotting this shit down.

>>7810234
>How the hell have you figured out mazes in games before then?
I usually just pick either left or right direction and go that way the entire time while hugging the wall.

>>7810312
In a timed maze this wouldn't work.

>>7810315
I can't think of many times mazes in old games, and the ones I can think of were significantly shorter or easier to navigate to compensate.

>>7810272
Even back then we knew that guides were cheating. It was just nice to have the option to do it. Most people did not relay on it. They might have used one occasionally but it was not the default way to play. The majority of our experiences was playing the game legit.

I imagine bad players relayed on them more. Nowadays bad players just play easy games but in the past there were almost no easy games so when they were offered help they took it.

>>7810234
>Opinion discarded
>t. filtered

>>7810272
I get what you're saying, it's true there were magazines and guides and friends sharing tips, but I think this whole "designed to sell guides" idea is a bit overblown by people who have this modern obsession with 100% completion on every game. Probably the most cryptic thing you have to do for progress in Metroid is finding the entrance to Lower Norfair, but that is actually pretty well telegraphed by a screen with way too much of the floor showing compared to the bottom of every other vertical shaft coupled with a clear break in the tile pattern that should strike you as suspicious enough to experiment on. Are there things you'll probably never find on your own? Yeah, plenty, but they're all optional and I think people just have a lower tolerance now for "missing" things in games which really needs to be let go of when playing retro games of this type.

>>7810292
Okay, fine, it depends on the game, I thought we were still talking about games like Metroid where there are landmarks and unique screens.

>>7810331
>Timed maze easy
Check out Return to Zork. You need a bunch of items to even make this maze bearable and even with them I doubt your method would work.

>>7810341
>overblown by people who have this modern obsession with 100% completion on every game

This. Most older games were no designed to be 100% They had a few things that were so hard that only a few people would find them so that the lucky or shrewd would have a special experience. The difficulty was also not tuned so you would find everything.

It's one of the things that made the games mysterious. There was always the possibility that there existed some obscure secret you and your friends never found.

>>7810349
Old PC mazes and console game mazes are entirely different beasts. I haven't played much of them but I now the old PC ones are far more cryptic, more punishing, and longer.

I guess since these were not action games they compensate the lack of action by making the navigation way more involving.

>>7810358
>console game mazes are entirely different beasts
Wizardry for NES had the same punishing mazes as the computer ones.

>>7810334
I wasn't filtered. Don't you say that. My problem with you is every thread you're in you mentioned Wizardry. Surely you played other games.

>>7810423
>there is only one anon posting about wizardry here

>>7808423
Zelda II isn't fun.

>>7810467
Zelda 2 has the potential to be fun, but it falls apart fast when you encounter the knights and other "dueling" types of enemies. If it had a SotN-style backdash a lot of its problems would be solved.

>>7810467
>>7810485
lol

>>7808423

>>7809118
I loved the GBA remakes as a kid

>>7810508
>have to face enemies to use your shield
>shield only protects against weapon attacks
>enemy walking into you will bypass the shield and hurt you
>enemy walks backward and forward without facing away from you
>combat is quick, fast reflexes and good positioning are needed for success
>the only way to back away from an enemy is to turn around and expose your back to their attacks before turning back around
It's clumsy and bad. The dueling combat is practically designed around backstepping and then you don't have the ability to do that.

>>7810517
>if this game was easier it would be better
lol

>>7810521
No, I'm saying if the game had controls that supported its design intentions it would be better.

>>7810532
>if only I could dodge every attack with invincible frames
lol

>>7810517
Nobody has programmed better combat on the NES, for a reason. You can only do so much when you have an 8-bit bus to work with.
By all means though, give it a try.

>>7810535
When did I say anything about invincible frames? I just said you should be able to step backward. It's like stepping forward, but in reverse. I'm not talking about fucking Dark Souls dodge rolls here.

>>7810540
Then perhaps the game should have been designed more with the limitations of its platform in mind. My whole point is that they created these dueling-based encounters where you don't have the tools needed to fluidly engage with it. The parts of the game that aren't dueling are mostly okay, but they should have thought twice about the design of the dueling-focused enemies like the knights.

>>7810452
Yes just like theres one guy posting about Sega Systems, Scotformers, Toki and so on.
>>7810515
Only filtered due to how awful every section not flying through rings is.

>>7809025
just look at all those replies of filtered people who used a walkthrough trying to justify themselves

>>7809467
>Um akshully you don't have to draw magic for hours. what you have to do instead is mash square next to every NPC in the first two sections of the game endlessly, run away from every battle until you can kill two members of your party and use the guest character to grind AP to max out your GFs in the 3 screens he's a member of your team, and then fight Diablos and painstakingly Card everything until he gets the AP needed for Enc-None. After you've done all this for the short 30 hour time investment it takes you can now spend the rest of the game never fighting anything except bosses that will die in 3 auto attacks with all the super OP stats you have, and simply move from retarded and nonsensical story setpiece to retarded nonsensical story setpiece featuring all of these horribly written characters. The game is actually very well designed and you're obviously retarded for thinking its not

>>7810756
This, but unironically

>>7810230
>False, these types of games were designed to be frustratingly difficult to figure out, first as a way to create a market for game tip hotlines and later for published strategy guides
Which weren't really a thing in 1986, at least not enough to inspire Nintendo's game design, you fucking retard. The worst part is I know you think you're smart.

>>7810264
Yeah I fucking hate bomb balling. The missile upgrade in kraids lair before you shoot the broken floor and before the save room to the right, I always come back with the spring ball right at the end of the game.

>>7810756
> use the guest character to grind AP to max out your GFs in the 3 screens he's a member of your team
This is pure autism but yes to everything else. The fun in FF8 is breaking the game and laughing at it trying to have a deep and thought-provoking story. There is one in there somewhere but the way they drop the ball repeatedly goes from funny to sad and back to funny again.

Squall is unironically one of the better written FF protags though.