/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7779714
Yeah knuckles layouts are a little different
Never bothered to get the emeralds as him

>>7779714
Yes, I wasn't retarded and could read.

I liked to put in other games, playing as Knuckles in Ecco the Dolphin was cash as fuck

>>7779719
Sega should have created more lock-on cartridges for their other properties. Imagine playing Altered Beastman in Outrun and shit.

>>7779752
NO WAY!!!

>>7779714
Blame sega garbage marketing. I had no idea either when I was a kid. This should have been a key feature and could have really been a game changer for lord of games that could use literal carts as addons to enhance other games. Sega blew it again

>>7779714
When I was a kid I didn't realize Sonic & Knuckles was a standalone cartridge at first. My Genesis came with both and I thought the S&K cart was simply a "booster" cart of sorts for Sonic 3 (which...I guess it is since I don't consider the separate games as individual games anyway) and that it didn't do anything by itself until I just tried it at one point.

>>7779865
>lord of games
Who's that?

>>7779865
>and could have really been a game changer for lord of games
I'M THE LORD OF THE GAME I RULE THIS EMPIRE

>>7779752
lock on was such a cool concept and it sucks that they used it for literally one game

>>7779714
>were you underage in 1994
No

>>7779752
Just like what Konami did with MSX, then creating Parodius series. Perhaps Konami was the only dev that used the tools(msx disk) it was given better than any other dev back then.

Isn't Knuckles in Sonic 2 basically on-disc DLC

>>7780000
No. The sonic 2 and knuckles rom is only 256kb. It needs the sonic2 cart for graphics sound and level layouts. So it is not on disc dlc. Its more like an expansion.

>>7779929
>At least 45 years old and spends his life posting on 4chan
lmao how sad

>>7779875

>>7779714
how do i activate this in retro arch?

>>7779714
no one believed me at recess

>>7779714
>>New campaign
>>Genesis sonic

You need to go back

>>7780116
get a rom that has them combined

>doesn't even let you play as Jafar
What is this Monkey Island?

>>7779714
>Did you actually know about this as a kid?

I owned Sonic 2, Sonic 3 and S&K. yes. I knew. This was actually one of Sega's best ideas for a cartridge. Imagine, if they did the same for a Streets of Rage 2, or a character expansion pack for Shining Force II with more campaigns. Or something like that. It was brilliantly executed too, because Sega released Sonic 3 in early 1994. Then they release Sonic & Knuckles a couple weeks before black Friday. Kids who owned a Genesis could get both Sonic 3 and S&K together as a Christmas package, or just get Sonic & Knuckles for Christmas to go along with Sonicc 3. But the game can also be played as a stand-alone cartridge as just Sonic & Knuckles. But you could also plug in Sonic 2 (bundled with most Genesis units) and play as Knuckles in that game. A nice bonus.

>>7780116
>how do i activate this in retro arch?


You have to get the separate ROMs.

Sonic & Knuckles (no cartridge):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJLgUVNP5dM
Sonic 3 + S&K (combined):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j350HVcB2dA
Knuckles the Enchilada in Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (combined cartridges) :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io-81CJFIX4
Sonic & Knuckles with any random Genesis/ Mega Drive cartridge:
https://youtu.be/zILpjFqlOak?t=3
You get this "No Way!" but the game will load a randomly generated 3D sphere bonus stage.

>>7779714
The box for S&K literally tells you about this.

I had sonic and knuckles as a standalone cart. No lock on. I got further in it than any other sonic game.

>>7780209
Yeah, a campaign. What would you call it, a "story mode"? Fuck off with your "I was raised by the internet and never read a dictionary"

>>7780209
sonic 3 and knuckles had a story despite what you believe

>>7780070
>No. The sonic 2 and knuckles rom is only 256kb. It needs the sonic2 cart for graphics sound and level layouts. So it is not on disc dlc. Its more like an expansion.

Knuckles sprites are stored on the S&K cartridge ROM. The character Knuckles didn't exist when Sonic 2 was released. Knuckles was created for Sonic 3. I think the developers said somewhere that they couldn't get Knuckles to work in Sonic 1 properly, because of the color pallets. Sonic shared the same sprite layer as the enemies. Sonic 2 had an updated game engine.

>>7780367
>Sonic & Knuckles with any random Genesis/ Mega Drive cartridge
Not any cartridge. I think games bigger than 32MB simply won't be read and S&K will just boot normally.

>>7780430
>Not any cartridge. I think games bigger than 32MB simply won't be read and S&K will just boot normally.

Didn't know that. But it makes sense. Sonic 3 is 16MB and S&K is also 16MB.

Wait, S&K is like, its own game? I thought there were only 3 Sonic Mega Drive games, and then S&K was an addon for 3.

>>7780440
Also, to clarify on the Blue Spheres mode. Putting any game will just give you one stage, but putting in Sonic 1 will let you play up to 32,000 possible stages. There are passwords to let you skip, thank goodness.

>>7780446
Sonic and Knuckles can be played by itself, yes. If you've only ever played the combined version, S/K opens up with Mushroom Hill Zone, but it has different shit than the combined version, different bosses

>>7780446
Technically speaking, S&K is Sonic 3 part 2.
Sonic 3's development was running long and costly, so the decision was made to release the first six zones as a standalone game.
Evidence of this is plainly visible in the level select menu, which lists Flying Battery, Mushroom Valley (Mushroom Hill), and Sandopolis.

There are other non-mainline Sonic games on the Genesis that weren't made by Sonic Team, such as Spinball, 3D Blast, and Dr Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine (just a licensed reskin of Puyo Puyo, from before SEGA's acquisition of Compile).

>>7780451
>Also, to clarify on the Blue Spheres mode. Putting any game will just give you one stage, but putting in Sonic 1 will let you play up to 32,000 possible stages. There are passwords to let you skip, thank goodness.

I didn't actually own Sonic 1 back then. Only Sonic 2, 3 and S&K... and Sonic 3D Blast.

On it's own, Sonic & Knuckles is a good and underrated Sonic game. If you didn't have Sonic 3, the game still holds up on its' own. Though to be honest, I feel like some of the better stages come from S&K. Mushroom Hill Zone is an incredible first stage.

>>7780549
>I didn't actually own Sonic 1 back then. Only Sonic 2, 3 and S&K... and Sonic 3D Blast.

I actually take that back, as I did own Sonic 1 on the Sega 6 Pak collection. But it wasn't a stand-alone game cartridge and it would not have worked like an actual Sonic 1 cart.

>>7780585
That 6-pak was fucking incredible.

>>7780585
Damn all those games suk except for Sonic and Collumns

>>7780338
>This was actually one of Sega's best ideas for a cartridge.

It was Santa's Elves who came up with the idea. They showed it to Santa, who rejected it. But then they sold it to Sega. yeah, this was from a US commercial for the game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN2kXqUrkhk

>>7779718
literally this

holy fuck

>>7779714
Yeah, I knew about it as a kid. It was one of the selling points.

>>7780732
Do you know how common the second hand market was back in the day? MANY people got their games from flee markets or garage sales with no box

>>7780785
>flee markets
Who are you running from?

>>7780785
>Do you know how common the second hand market was back in the day? MANY people got their games from flee markets or garage sales with no box

And sadly, the NA box for Sonic & Knuckles is cardboard. If I am not mistaken, Sega sold S&K for a $30-40 price tag, while Sonic 3 was a $60-70 dollar game (Here in Canada, more like $70) . Sonic & Knuckles was targeted for black Friday sales. Sega discounted Sonic 3 at half-price for black Friday and sold S&K at half of Sonic 3's regular retail price, so both games could be bought for a $60.00 price tag, Sonic 3 was in retail for 9 months or so when Sonic and Knuckles was released. Sega doubled down on Sonic 3 by using Sonic & Knuckles to draw more interest in it for the holiday season.

>>7780819

Sega released the 32x for Christmas 1994, as well as Sonic and Knuckles. It was chaotic for Sega, there were like... 8 games for the 32x at launch? Nintendo released Donkey Kong Country and was the winner of that Christmas.

>>7780818
The feas

>>7779714
I knew they could be locked on and you could play as knuckles in 3's stages and tails in Knuckles etc, but never knew about the lengthened story and level changes. To be honest I still don't really know about them because while the games are fun I've never compared & contrasted all the differences. Sort of assumed one game just leads into the other.

>>7780378
I didn't know they made those. Was it a bootleg?

>>7780505
Let's not forget that the ability to charge twice for the same game played a large part too.

>>7779714
It was written on the back of S&K box...

>>7780367
Aren't the combined roms just concatenations of the individual roms?

>>7780430
4MB, anon, Genesis wont load a rom that exceeds 4MB in size.

>>7781429
He means megabits.

>>7781434
MB is megabytes, Mb is Megabits. Learn to computer.

>>7780627
Hey now, shinobi and hang on are classics. Hang on in particular has the original mode which adds a lot to that game

>>7781484
I remember playing Shinobi and it is so annoying, it has all the makings of a great game, and surely is enjoyable on some level, but the fuckery involved is just ruining it. Double Jump is so required, but the controls are stiff and buggy.

>>7781314
I doubt it. It was a Christmas present and my mom almost certainly got it at walmart or target. Not many bootlegs in small Midwestern towns.

>>7780470
>>7780505
To get the "full experience," can you just play Sonic 3 + Knuckles, or do you have to play Sonic + Knuckles on its own as well?

>>7779714
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOYdR5mVZ-A
No, Sega never told anyone at all. It was a huge secret until dataminers found out about it in the later 2000s.

>>7781680
Don't suppose you still have it? If it's legit then that's some super rare cartridge you've got.

>>7781715
It's a different game, a very similar game, but a different one, you get different paths, extra story cutscene shit, different bosses, when you play it "combined" as opposed to the two games on their own.

>>7781547
The requirement is that you git gud

>>7780381
>>7780404

Sonic doesn't have campaigns you fucking zoomers. It's not call of dooty, and campaign doesn't mean story you brain dead fucks. Would you call Harry Potter a campaign by J.K Rowling? Drink bleach, a lot of it

>>7781781
Not him, but consider that the general layout of the levels and the actual level progression changes when licking on and between characters, and it's within the same game package.

It's not unreasonable to address them as different campaigns, since the word does apply well.

>>7781781
campaign literally just means story mode. Please inject lye into your blood vessels.

>>7781775
>It's a different game, a very similar game, but a different one, you get different paths, extra story cutscene shit, different bosses, when you play it "combined" as opposed to the two games on their own.

Sonic & Knuckles as a stand-alone game is basically made from the additional expansion content for Sonic 3 & Knuckles. It lets you play all of those stages without Sonic 3. But there are changes made to the zones and bosses. Tails is not playable either. It is a introduction/ prequel to Sonic 3 & Knuckles and does take place after Sonic 2. The idea here is that Sonic revisits these stages with Tails in Sonic 3 and Knuckles.

>>7782931
>Sonic & Knuckles as a stand-alone game is basically made from the additional expansion content for Sonic 3 & Knuckles. It lets you play all of those stages without Sonic 3. But there are changes made to the zones and bosses. Tails is not playable either. It is a introduction/ prequel to Sonic 3 & Knuckles and does take place after Sonic 2. The idea here is that Sonic revisits these stages with Tails in Sonic 3 and Knuckles.

16bit Sonic main-line continuity:
Sonic 1
Sonic 2
Knuckles the Echidna in Sonic 2 - Knuckles gets reconnected into Sonic 2 through the Sonic and Knuckles lock-on cart.
Sonic & Knuckles (stand alone) - takes place after Sonic 2. The intro shows the death egg crash. etc.
Sonic the Hedgehog 3 and Knuckles - via the lock-on cartridge as well. But this cancels out stand-alone Sonic 3.

>>7779874
lot of games* kek

>>7782931
>>7782969
What? So you're saying S&K happens, and then S3&K happens where the events repeat themselves but with Tails? That makes no sense. The Death Egg crashing in the S&K title screen is because it starts to rise again at the end of Sonic 3, only to crash back down above Lava Reef. If it were the crash from the end of Sonic 2, it wouldn't have landed on a volcano in the title screen.

>>7781715
>To get the "full experience," can you just play Sonic 3 + Knuckles, or do you have to play Sonic + Knuckles on its own as well?


Sonic and Knuckles on it's own is a prelude to Sonic the Hedgehog 3 with Sonic and Knuckles locked on. When you lock it on to Sonic 3, it becomes the sequel to Sonic and Knuckles. Sonic Team still had to make this function as a stand-alone game. So they used the data for Sonic 3 & knuckles to make a prelude. They are the same layouts, but I think they were balanced to be easier in Sonic & Knuckles, since Mushroom Hill becomes the first stage. I think some bosses are different? I would have to check. Almost like the Half-Life Uplink of Sonic games. But also adds Knuckles into the Sonic 2 timeline, even though Knuckles came after Sonic 2. I think it does make stand-alone Sonic 3 non-cannon.

>>7781876
Sonics levels are laid out in campaigns. No.
>>7781894
It doesn't mean story mode, it's only means that to you because that's you're only experience with the word. Again, die, quick.

>>7783109
You've posted this retarded theory three times in a row now. Stop

>>7783107
>So you're saying S&K happens, and then S3&K happens where the events repeat themselves but with Tails? That makes no sense.

As a stand alone, it is a primer to Sonic 3 and Knuckles. S&K starts with Sonic on his own. Or tails after the events of being added in Sonic 2. It is made out of the same levels. But implied that Sonic visits them a second time. Sonic and Tails returns the giant emerald to Knuckles island, and in S3 & K, it is stolen. . It is a bit messy. But the idea was that playing S&K alone wouldn't spoil those levels when locked to sonic 3. They are presented a prequel.

>>7783107
>So you're saying S&K happens, and then S3&K happens where the events repeat themselves but with Tails? That makes no sense.

As a stand alone, it is a primer to Sonic 3 and Knuckles. S&K starts with Sonic on his own. Or Knuckles after the events of being added in Sonic 2. It is made out of the same levels. But implied that Sonic visits them a second time. Sonic and Tails returns the giant emerald to Knuckles island, and in S3 & K, it is stolen again. . It is a bit messy. But the idea was that playing S&K alone wouldn't spoil those levels when locked to sonic 3. They are presented a prequel.

>>7783127
>theory

No. That is now it was designed.

>>7783146
nice fanfiction

>>7783152
>nice fanfiction

>>7783163
>>7783109
>>7782969
>>7782931
holy shit just how retarded can you be?

>>7783320
Lol

>>7780086
>a few minutes a day is his life
Compared so your short <18 years I suppose a few minutes sounds like a long time.

>>7784293
lmao cope