/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7760854
What's your point ?

Whatever you say.

doom saved pc gaming

Depends on what kind of game you liked.

Obviously a troll but the release of Doom was around the time playing games on computers became a big thing. More people had Doom installed on their PCs then Windows 95 for a time.

>>7760960
I think a big reason is because Doom is awesome, while Windows 95 was not awesome at all.

>>7760854
Pic related was considered the pinnacle of PC gaming in 1990. This was well into the Genesis' life and when the SNES was just released. Sonic was about six months away and Super Mario World had released a month earlier.

>>7760854
>PC did not git gud
It still isn't. All the "classic" PC games are shit demos for unfinished ideas and technology that they do nothing with besides expect you to stare at walls. These games just aren't good and I think it's because a lack of Japanese attention. Only people making PC games were inept american devs who put technology and selling new hardware before making a good game and europeans whos brains operate 17% slower than the rest of the world.

>>7760960
Doom is a great game, but it was not enough to justify being a PC gamer during the 4th gen.

Japanimation avatar threads always deliver gems like this

>>7760880
>>7760960
>>7760854
Consoles couldn't even make a good DOOM port or clone until PSX/N64. And they still suck compared to the PC original which could run on a "toaster" with an cheapass intergrated GPU

>>7761045
nah, doom was nothing to write home about. the novelty of 3d is what sold it and everyone knew it. It's no masterpiece.

>>7760854
For action games, maybe. Early RPGs were extremely influential, though a lot of those landed on Apple][ first. Whether you wanna consider that a 'PC' or not, I don't know, but they landed on IBM PC compatibles soon after anyway.

>>7760854
sims, strategy and adventure where great on PC.

>>7760989
Cherry picking. PC in 1990 also had games with graphics and music that SNES still couldn't imitate.

https://monkeyisland.fandom.com/wiki/The_Secret_of_Monkey_Island
https://youtu.be/YKeivEpo7CY

>>7761050
Wow. Must be why it won awards and kept having a DOOM thread on /vr/!!!

>>7761045
Ehhh... you're right about PSX/N64 but 486/ideally Pentium was still kinda fancy man stuff in the early 90s. While the 486 existed since '89 it was super computer shit and not common in new, relatively sanely priced PCs til like '93. An upgrade without a new board was likely out of the question. Also there were no IGPUs, everyone had graphics cards, but they didn't hardware accelerate as we know it now via OGL/D3D. They did accelerate and provide RAM for 2D graphics though.

Obvious bait. Ridiculous statement, "prove it" etc, zoomer image etc. This board sucks recently. No interesting discussion, just ridiculousness

>>7761081
The graphics cards on PCs at the time were nothing more than a DAC to drive the monitor and enough RAM for only a framebuffer; they didn't accelerate shit. The CPU had to do EVERYTHING from drawing the graphics to piping that to the video card via a slow-ass 16-bit ISA bus.

>>7761102
Thought the card or bus could be a possible bottleneck for the CPU in some way, but to be honest pre-accelerator graphics cards are a weak topic for me. My first PC had a Cirrus Logic 1mb card, and I know PCem will let you fuck with VLB/bus speed, but you might be right that it's more about the bus than the card itself.

>>7761050
Doom wrote the rulebook for first person shooters for the coming 15 years, and still holds up as an enjoyable game on its own merits alone, but also for it's neverending cornucopia of usermade content (which keeps being made due to the core game being such a good foundation).
Perhaps this isn't the kind of game you enjoy, and that's fair, but I don't get much out of racing games or grand strategy, yet I don't go around talking about how those just aren't very good and are completely overrated.

>>7761054
I forgot about the RPGs, but you're completely right, people were doing good shit with that even in the 80s.

>>7760989
>>7761074
A big part of things like these is hardware specialization. Some things could be done really well on consoles, and some things could be done really well on PC, while some things just couldn't be done in a good way on the opposite. During the 90s, this gap would close a lot as both console hardware and home computer hardware grew more powerful and versatile.

>>7761089
Have you tried making good posts?

>>7761074
I'm positive they could have gotten Monkey Island 1 to work on SNES with some snips here and there and mouse support. Would it have been the best way to play it? No, but if they tried hard enough it would have been satisfactory.

>>7760854
>we need to stop pretending

>Wizardry
>Ultima
>MM
>Nethack (and other rogues)
>Doom

PC gaming was just fine if you ask me

>>7761078
What a retarded post, also said threads were used as a vector for 6th gen cancer. Doom has had only a negative impact on this board.

>>7761129
>Doom wrote the rulebook for first person shooters for the coming 15 years
I think you'll find by 97 developers were moving away from its foundation blatantly. Appreciation for Doom's qualities only came much later as phrases like orthogonal unit differentiation became common parlance among pretentious game design circles - the reality is between all the memeing about Doom's prioritization focused design it becomes clear as day in the first level alone this was barely a concern. The developers had no theory or rules they were going by. They were throwing tech at the wall and seeing what stuck. Hence why the quality from level to level varies so significantly from premise to execution. The genre itself is awfully tired pretentious fans for the earliest mainstream success of said genre are doing it no favors.

>>7761089
/vr/ is better now than it ever was.

>>7761220
>The developers had no theory or rules they were going by
Blatantly incorrect.

>>7761241
>b-but they put an imp in the balcony of a room in e1m1 and you prioritize on the grunts first while dod-
I don't care. I've heard it all before. In practice none of this shit matters and situations like that are a rarity. It's a game about spectacle mostly and largely peeking in rooms to windshield wipe the enemies out from outside of them. The pretend doom in your head does not exist and never did.

>>7761248
A very pretentious and narrow minded reduction. I pity you.

>>7761252
Thank you for conceding, you know I'm right and Doom boils down to progressing down corridors and killing the thing in front of you. That's it. All it ever was.

>>7761227
False

>>7761227
maybe if you came here last month from /v/

>>7760989
No it wasn't.
Computer RPGs were a unique experience you couldn't get on consoles at the time.

Also this whole thread should make sure it is only talking about DOS and Windows gaming for the most part. If you want to broaden out to Commodore 64 and Japanese computers this thread is a whole different story.

>>7761258
Oh yeah, there's no exploration, there's no design to encounters, and levels have no progression to their design. Success doesn't depend on how you handle fights or traps, and there's no difference in tactics and approaches.
Doom is all about walking forward and holding down the fire button until you win, isn't that right?

>>7760854
PC was always trash.

>>7761321
He sounds like he’s never played on anything harder than ITYTD.

>>7760880
Doom is fucking trash.

>>7761330
He sounds like he's never played anything fast and arcadelike ever.

>>7761334
Is that so? What makes it trash to you?

>>7761078
The dozen or so hard autists who post on the Doom general here, simply can't move on and it's a running gag. Doom's presence on this board has been nothing but a hinderance.
>>7761050
This %100

>>7761340
Repetitive, dull action. Ugly as fuck aesthetics and sound. It's a joke for psycho teens and edgy faggots.

>>7761348
>>7761334
>>7761351
>>7761321
>>7761248
>>7761220
>>7761050
Let me guess, amigatranny?

>>7761351
And what would you consider a better game? Name a few, actually, name some comparable action games which are better.

How come there's a containment thread for Doom but no containment thread for dipshit zoomers' "x was never good" thermonuclear takes

>>7761268
>Commodore 64 and Japanese computers
What games on these computers could compete against 4th gen console games?

>>7761369
Doom posters actively harm the quality of the board when they escape containment. Simple as.

>>7761415
ok

>>7761159
They had Monkey Island on the Mega Drive (actually Sega CD but...) That said, the SNES had some PC ports like SimCity and Civilization but they're inferior to the real thing.

>>7761369
Generic contrarianism threads could stand to be against the rules. It's one thing to have a shitty opinion, whatever, but a thread is a waste.

>>7761415
So where do they contain you?

>>7761463
Sim City on the SNES was kind of ok. Sim City 2000 was not, because it was slow and clunky, and inexplicably did not support the SNES mouse, which had been available for years.

How's the Sega CD version of Monkey Island? Is there mouse support? I recall hearing it had a lot of loading times.

>>7761482
>How's the Sega CD version of Monkey Island?
It's basically like any other LucasArts talkie CD game and no there's no mouse since the Mega Drive was never offered with one.

>>7761486
Kind of a shame. I think Zero Tolerance would have been a lot more fun if you could play it with a mouse.

Lower color depth than the VGA PC graphics since the Mega Drive can only display 64 colors on screen.

The Mega Drive had more PC ports than the SNES especially in the early days; there was stuff like Populous and Starflight and Centurion: Defender of Rome.

>>7761401
Sharp X68000. 1987-1993.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Map9CIod-8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwkKuolGG7Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU7h3Z6Yvwk

Also the FM Towns:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAOyOeeVAp4

>>7760880
Doom is a dogshit game that plagiarized Ultima Underworld

>>7761567
retard

>>7761567
Zoomer please. Doom is one of the most acclaimed, influential, legendary games ever made, and wasn't anything like Underworld.

>>7761567
How did Doom plagiarize Ultima Underworld, when Ultima Underworld is really slow in pacing and gameplay (to the point that a real pen and paper game is faster) and follows the typical RPG tropes, while Doom is really fast in pacing and gameplay, and focuses solely on action and exploration?

>>7761567

>>7760854
PC games sucked by dick until around 1996~7.

>>7761567
I know this is an anime board and so on, but isn't that a little over the top?

>>7760989
>Pic related was considered the pinnacle of PC gaming in 1990
?

>>7761216
If thats all you got to play id say it wasnt fine at all.

>>7761567
Based and redpilled

lal try and do Total Annihiliation on a PS1

>>7761595
>australia-troon seething over doom
lol

>>7760989

>>7760989
I’d much rather play Keen than Plok, Rayman or any other Eurojank platformer.

>>7761592
Platformers are the only genres nintendies know

>>7761727
Based and Keenpilled

FUCK Euro shit. they couldn't make games unless it was an autistic CRPG

>>7761401
That's not really the argument of this thread. It's whether or not PC games were good in any given year. MSX games like Metal Gear I and II were just good.

>>7761594
What did you play, anon? CRPGs were a nice cope when you couldnt PNP rpg.

>>7760854
lmao dumb zoomer,pc players was playing duke 3d and all manner of 3d shit while other kids was playing shitty versions of street fighter on their megadrives

>>7761594
Really? I'd say you were having a pretty damn good time still, if all you had was some Ultima games and Doom.

When you talk about computers and home computers, it's not the quality of games that people miss. It's the social element that came with the experience, making games with and for your friends, all the strange stuff you could find around and mess with, the freedom of expression the platform innately has. Oh, and Lan parties. Scene meetings.
This is something walled gardens, the net and our own inertia have stolen from us.
Perhaps forever, if we don't act.

>>7761567
you know what else plagiarized ultima? shin megami tensei

>>7760854
remember when everybody said pc gaming is dead?

>>7762027
that was randy pitchfork circa 2008

>>7761997
>lists one 3d game
>all manner of 3d shit
Hmm

>>7762029
oh wait no. it was cliffy b who said it

>>7762260
What's the actual difference between them?

>>7760854
>5th
try seventh

>>7760854
>1ms 144hz monitor
>DS4 pad on a USB Cable
>Godly cabled internet on an actual network card that doesn't suck
>1/3 the price of any console game on Steam
>Get the hottest games for a fraction of the price whenever a sale comes
>Torrent full romsets for arcades and any emulator made by men
>Play fightcade online any hour my heart wishes, my room is the best arcade I've ever been to
>Play NES, SNES, Genesis, PSX, PS2, NGC, Saturn, Wii and Dreamcast games with zero input lag
>Nullbear lets me download any title online too
>Play godly PC FPS and RTS games like it's the 2000's, can't keep my hands off UT2004
>Use any given voice call software to play counter-strike 1.6 every saturday night with friends online while having some drinks and laughing my ass off
>Two monitors so I can browse the internet on the side while doing all this
>Netflix or crunchyroll always waiting at the end of the day

>"NOOOOOOOOOO b-b-b-b-but you can't play my ONE exclusive game, right?"
>Given game is usually a 10-40 hour singleplayer campaign that you'll finish in 3 days and never touch again

I will never, EVER, buy a console again in my life.

>>7760879
This is partially why I said approximately. Doom is an obvious good game that predates 5th gen games and did quite a lot to create the fps genre (I think Wolfenstein came first though).
>>7760856
My point is that PC gaming was pretty shit up to the mid 90s and it had to compete with juggernauts like the SNES and Genesis. Games like Contra, Megaman, SMB3, Turtles in Time, Zelda, Street Fighter, Star Fox, Streets of Rage, etc blew PC games out of the water. As someone said, you had crpgs and Warcraft 1, which felt kind of niche. I think by the early 90s, PC was still seen as a work station more than anything else, and gaming on it was still in its infancy while console gaming was blazing ahead.

>>7760989
Starcraft was out by 1998, anon. Still better than all the SNES and Genesis' libraries combined, singlehandedly.

>>7762385
zoom zoom
>>7762391
Not reading your post, but I agree, PC gaming is superior......now.

>>7762403
He said 1990, no Starcraft back then.

>>7762019
the PC world always had a scene/community to it while console games are more like consumer product for normies

>>7760989
God, these colors make me ill.

>>7762409
Yeah PC games started to become good from 1995 on. Although when that happened, the PC games were lightyears ahead of console ones.

>>7762403
>Starcraft was out by 1998
So was 5th gen. I agree that SC is an incredible game, but this thread is about early 85-95 PC games struggling to compete with their console/arcade competition.

>>7761334
What is trash about it? It was spectacular for its time, and still holds up now.

>>7760854
PC gaming didn't even get really good until mid-7th gen if we are going to be completely honest.

>>7761050
t.never played doom

The issue in DOS gaming wasn't even the library but the horrendous patchwork landscape of which game supported which graphics card or sound card or hardware acceleration.

>>7761045
>Consoles couldn't even make a good DOOM port
Why would they? Japan viewed Doom as a joke compared to their games.
>>7761074
>Cherry picking.
If you played PC games back in 1990 you would know there were a lot of these shitty looking platformers. Go ahead and show us a good looking platformer on par with Mario 3 and not another point click adventure game.

worst thread on /vr/

>>7764321
what can you expect from a tranime poster

>>7761727
>>7761864
I will never get the love for Keen and I played it as a kid off sharedare diskettes.

>>7764321
Nah, there are people are discussing video games as opposed to shitposting soijaks and other garbage. It's not that bad.

>>7764297
everyone played doom retard

>>7764321
oh shit, I thought I was on /v/. I was wondering why the boards quality was so different.

>>7762029

A retarded take then, a retarded take now.

CRPGS, Strategy, and Adventure were the main reason to be a PC gamer in its early days.

Almost no talk of CRPGs in this thread.

No talk of strategy.

No talk of adventure.

Whole thread is non-PC gamers argueing.

>>7760854
94/95 was a good time for pc gaming, cd drives were pretty new and you could get compilations and collections of something like 10 cd's for the price of 1 new game.

>>7764759
yup

>>7762391
Post full battlestation. What pad is this? Mice?

>>7764228
More like console gaming got so shit by then that PC finally matched it in terms of shittiness.

>>7765257
Nintendo's Next console is going to be stronger than ps5, bro

Finally nier will be playable on nswitch better than ps5

Glide, Direct X, and OpenGL weren't readily available until the mid 90's. Perhaps that is why.

>>7764563
The riddlle is if it is better or worse here.

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>>7764318
>Japan viewed Doom as a joke
Another hot take from the retard weeb.

>>7765407
Doom does not run in HD on the Nintendo Switch. but maybe the new nswitch will run in 4k with hdr

>>7765304
Better imo

>>7760854
Yes. Even cyber-cafes with gaming dudes playing lan matches weren't a thing until mid-noughties.
Pc gaming fags hating on consoles are pathetic, especially when we know that they were emulating 16 bit games to fill that void of no-games.

>>7764318
>Japan viewed Doom as a joke compared to their games
No, the Japanese just wouldn't give Doom the time of day, because they generally had weak stomachs which can't handle fast first person action, they'd get motion sick from the speed and view bobbing. First person RPGs have opened their eyes in the recent decade, and the new Doom games (though nowhere as good) have had decent popularity there.

For the small group of Japs who DID play Doom on the PC-98 and Nintendo 64 back in the day, grew a small but diehard fanbase which regards it as a cult classic. To this day, there has been a Japanese fanbase of the classic games. They've even made their own level sets, some which are very good, and the fascinating part is that their approach to level design feels subtly different from the kind you see from most European and American ones.

>>7764759
>>7765106
Just because you were stuck in the 80s when it comes to computer games doesn't mean the rest of us were. As computers developed, they could do more kinds of games, you could have more kinds of RPGs, more kinds of strategy, as well as genres which consoles could basically not even try to do until 4th gen.

>>7765609
If you aren't enjoying both computer games and console games (be it through real hardware or emulation), what are you even doing with your life?

>>7765665
Having sex

>>7765750
So you play lots of computer games and console games?

I can totally agree with you there. PC gaming just wasn't anything notable until it became more than just expensive office material in the late 80s

>>7765651
> they'd get motion sick from the speed and view bobbing
I remember reading a rumor that it wasn't due them having weak stomachs, or being unaccustomed to first person motion that caused issues. Rather, according to that random dude, it was the frequency smoothing hardware (necessary due to the retarded separate energy grid shit in Japan) inside JDM monitors which caused a very subtle kind of motion judder to occur, which caused said motion sickness.

>>7766139
>No results found for "frequency smoothing hardware".
seems legit

>>7766139
>frequency smoothing hardware
So what, it smoothed from one frequency to the other?

>>7760854
Don´t buy new expensive computers for one reason.
1. You don´t pirate.
2. You Play emulated games.
3. You buy denuvo games.

If you pirate, just stop wasting your time.
You don´t need a perfect computer to play games from 2018 to 1980, just forget it.
You are destroying money.
Until there is no break on denuvo, pc games are dead to me.
And fuck steam.

>>7760879
>>7761575
i dont understand where is the appeal in jogging around a bull larping as a tank shooting missiles, doing all that over and over again since 1993, it is like claiming there is meaning behind a splat of ink on a white canvas and how deep it is
i mean you cant even claim that doom's joggery is original since wolf3d did it before it, if you want to be honest just claim that it has a bull waiting to be barbecue'd and stop there, because that is the only thing different from ultima really

>>7769351
pretentious faggot

>>7764335
It has decent level design and music, the first episode anyway. I’d still rank it above jank like Earthworm Jim or DKC

>>7769354
am i pretentious because i have described doom for what it is or am i pretentious because i made a joke out of retarded posts filled with hubris trying to place good light in doom by claiming that doom has features that are "unique" to it? this is blatant dishonesty that deserves to be made fun of at the very least, unfortunate that jannies can't stand having their sacred game criticized so even doom joggers actions are to be treated as sacred
i will just link it here out of spite, screw jannies >>/vr/thread/7760854#p7769351

>>7766139
The Japs still complain about "3D sickness" on any FPS game to this day; just look up Steam reviews. I swear it's like Koreans and fan death.

>>7769584
Retarded weeb

>>7769584
Wtf did I just read?

>>7760854
They were just different and catered to different audiences. I played way more computer than consoles in the 80's and 90's. If you wanted platformers then sure consoles were the go to. But I was more into strategy, rpgs, roguelikes and sim games back then. Also there was nothing like Arctic Fox or the like on nes or master system. I played the fuck out of that and similar stuff.

>>7762397
>(I think Wolfenstein came first though)
>OP admits to being a clueless child on the topic he's trying to talk about but still wants people to take him seriously

This board these days man...

>>7765651
Japanese Doom fans are like weeb/RPG fans in the West. There was a dedicated niche following but the stuff was indigestible to basic normies.

>>7769737
Fan death actually has some truth given the construction of traditional Korean houses apparently. Something about the way they were heated from the ground floor up there were a few cases where fans caused a negative pressure that allowed carbon monoxide to seep into the room. I forget the details but it was kind of interesting to hear about since it sounds so bonkers to the rest of the world.

>>7769879
This.

Its weird how PC bros are so rare on /vr/ Why do you suppose that is?

>>7762391
>saturn and dreamcast emulation
>zero input lag
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

>>7769921
Honestly in my experience most of my friends who were more into computer gaming just kept on going and mostly or entirely play modern games at this point. I still delve into old roguelikes but in large part I'm the same too outside of classic fighting games and a few other gems from the era I return to.

Speculating, PC users were always striving for the next thing. More ram, a new sound or graphics card. There's much less emphasis on specific console iterations so generations kind of slide by and you just want to stay current and play what seems awesome at the time.

>>7769921
>Its weird how PC bros are so rare on /vr/ Why do you suppose that is?
PC bros made something out of their lives.

>>7760854
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnn3rsn6eMWmvhO915EEzlw/playlists

Amiga / PC games were already very modern, while console games made little men jump on goombas
I have fond childhood memories playing monkey island, indiana jones, simon the sorcerer

>>7769956
You don't need to rub it in like that.

>>7769948
Maybe it has something to do with that the PC staple genre: adventure, CRPG, roguelike, and simulatar or more alive then the console staple genres: side scrollers, overhead shooters, beat em ups, shmups

>>7769948
You might be onto something.

>>7760854
True, but when it got good it got really fucking good. Like the retard character suddenly unlocking something that makes them the strongest character in the story. For a brief period we saw the potential games had. Then it got killed off. Now all we have is a bunch of disorganized indies trying to copy the golden age, although every once in a while one hits the mark.

>>7769921
During the 6th gen PC gaming got killed off by Microsoft. Every PC series like Deus Ex, Thief, etc has been botched and turned into a console game for the Xbox. Level sizes were cut in half, systems made more simple, just completely dumbed down. So when you see the rule change happen naturally theres less people playing PC who came over.

>>7765651
Tell me more about Japanese doom maps

>>7771116
Most of us do not play old PC games outside of the FPS.

Maybe you could give a lecture.

>>7761351
>It's a joke for psycho teens and edgy faggots.
Lmao Seethe harder. Imagine not being able to understand why mowing down demons while midi rip offs of classic metal songs play in the background is so cathartic. Faggot.

>>7771130
The most famous one is Japanese Doom Community Project (JDCP), which is a large levelset made by multiple different contributors.
It's pretty well made overall, good quality, I'd suggest it for anyone who likes to play Doom levelsets. One of the many levels which stood out to me is an abstract techbase level, which if you look in the automap, is actually the shape of comic panels (complete with Engrish), and amazingly the level is a comic while still being playable and functional as a normal map.

Most of the other levels aren't really gimmicky like that, but they're all good too.

>>7771480
That's just the surface level stuff, the design of the gameplay itself is just plain good, different monsters do different things (and they're all easily recognizable and distinguishable), same with weapons, levels are designed to be explored and will often reward you for doing so.

There's a lot of elements of tactics and thinking on your feet, when you look at the Final Doom expansion to Doom 2, the challenge is upped to the point that the game becomes a (mostly) horizontal Contra, with lots of projectile dodging, avoiding, and the ability to trick monsters to fight each other becomes an increasingly valuable asset.

>>7760854
You're wrong though. PCs were better way before 5th gen. Just admit you're underage and go back to /v/

>computers generally had more memory and faster processors than a console, they permitted more sophisticated games. A 1984 compendium of reviews of Atari 8-bit software used 198 pages for games compared to 167 for all other software types.[21] Home computers could also be used for tasks such as word processing and home accounting. Games were easier to distribute, since they could be sold on floppy disks or cassette tapes instead of ROM cartridges.
>Why should I buy a video game system when I can buy a computer that will play games and do so much more?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_crash_of_1983

I didn't bother copy-pasting everything, but you definitely should if you're still here spitting misinformation.

>>7769882
You just going to nitpick or actually post something of value?

>>7772729
You missed the point of the thread entirely, and I suspect that you are on the spectrum. No one is pretending that PCs do not have way more horsepower than consoles (they always will), the issue is that there was a time in the past when PCs were workstations and the game development for them lagged the game development of consoles, hence PC gaming was not as good as console gaming until ~5th gen.

>>7772874
>PC did not git gud until approximately the time 5th gen consoles launched and we need to stop pretending that it was.
>You're wrong though. PCs were better way before 5th gen.
>You missed the point of the thread entirely
I only see one retarded nigger here, and it's you.

>>7772729
pc games werent better

>>7772973
Back in the Atari era? Yes they were. Then they declined in quality compared to what consoles were offering. Then they got great again. Now they're the master race. This is the objective truth, you can't deny it.

>>7772979
>Then they declined in quality compared to what consoles were offering.
Depends on the genre. Computers were always better for, say, strategy games, simulation games, RPGs, than what consoles had.

>>7772892
>calls people retarded
>does not attempt to refute, only throws out insults
I can smell your low iq through the internet

>>7773023
You either didn't read my entire post or your reading comprehension is fucked up beyond salvation. Either way you're an absolute ape.

>>7769016
Anybody who plays newshit should just buy a console. If you add up the price of the hardware + games you're going to buy during the system's lifespan, it's probably less than even a "budget" gaming pc. You also don't have to cry about getting cucked by delayed pc ports.

Even having a "rig" that's permanently attached to a monitor is pretty dumb now. Since you only need a shitter pc to play old games get a laptop or something small enough to connect to your big tv in the living room.

>>7772892
The fucking state of this post. Formatting posts is just something that happens to other people, isn't it?

>>7769016
Based. Zoomers actually get mad nowadays if you say something bad about Steam, it's hilarious

>>7762391
>Given game is usually a 10-40 hour singleplayer campaign that you'll finish in 3 days and never touch again
Is this even a valid criticism? I think I would take more away from a shorter single player experience with more effort and care put into it than some dumb PC indieshit survival game. I have a gaming PC too but I don't have god awful takes like these. I don't mean to use a buzzword but your post is a gigantic cope.
>my room is the best arcade I've ever been to
cmon man thats sad.

>>7760989
>Pic related was considered the pinnacle of PC gaming in 1990.
>Commander Keen
Unironically correct. It was the first action game for PC shitboxes that had smooth scrolling. Notice that even after John Carmack figured it out, jankscrolling was common until about 1994. See games from id's competitors like Duke Nukem 1&2 and Jill of the Jungle.
Sound effects are PC speaker beeps, but in 1990 soundcards for PC shitbox were still a very niche product.

>>7760854
That's not a hot take if you're pretending it is one.

>>7760879
the 5th gen predated doom though?

>>7773034
Sure kid, keep trying

>>7774901
You're handicapped and can't accept the truth.

>>7774990
>>7774901

I couldn't follow both your shit flinging, but whichever of you was trying to insist that computers were mostly just work stations before 5th gen consoles or so is utterly clueless.

>>7775037
I was the one who said they were both work stations, good for videogames and so much more. However this consolenigger nintendrone is conveniently ignoring both the point of the thread and the counterarguments i mentioned (backed up with sources) against said OP. he's just focusing on trivial insults that damaged his person and beliefs, but I wouldn't expect anything else from a wojakposter. Hopefully I gave you the big picture, kind sir.

>>7775059
Well OP already revealed early on he has no idea what he's talking about when he had to guess that Wolfenstien came before doom. But indeed you're right in my experience most computers were bought under the auspice of it being for work but were usually used for games even more than that.

Consoles Before the ps1 era had libraries that consisted 90% of the arcadey genres. 4% of the library is RPGs almost all of them J or tactical. 3% of the genre are action games that actually involve exploring a world adventure/zelda/vania games. And the last 2% are mis stuff hardly anyone remembers.

If you like arcadey genres old consoles are great otherwise there is little for you.

>>7774637
It's certainly not a hot take around these parts but it is wrong.

>>7760854
Excuse me while I go back to playing two of the best strategy games ever made

>>7775101
>strategy games
>Not calling them think-em-ups

>>7775107
>crime simulators
>Not calling them dinduvanias

>>7760854
How the fuck young are you??

>>7775998
33

>>7776075
I guess you being around 5 when 5th gen started makes your ignorance semi-understandable but it's still embarrassing.

>>7776075
>3.3
fixed

>>7761081
>Also there were no IGPUs, everyone had graphics cards
Integrated graphics chips were very common on LPX form factor machines.

>>7760854
Consoles didn't get good until ps1, so what's your point?

>>7777053
Incorrect

>>7777954
I think that was him pointing out how retarded OP sounds.

>>7760854
Most of the best PC games of the pre-GPU era were roleplaying games and simulators. These were both things that consoles were ill-suited for - with poor storage capacity, little memory, and weak processors.

>>7779290
And OP thinks they all must have sucked because he only plays console games.

>>7776202
How old are you?

>>7779510
47

>>7762026
that would be wizardry, like all jarpigs

>>7779753
It was all D&D anyways

>>7762026
Smt plagiarized wizardry. And also devilman / violence jack

>>7772386
This guy gets it.

>>7779520
American?

>>7781467
Leaf.

>>7781471
So did you have an original IBM PC?

>>7781473
Our first computer my father called it an IBM clone, I don't remember what it specifically was. Literally the day we got it though some friend if his gave us a huge stack of floppies with stuff like Asteroids, Dig Dug, 3Demon, Zaxxon etc and possibly most influential for me, Rogue. Not that I didn't also love the NES, but me and my brother played the fuck out of the games on that computer.

>>7779464
I only play PC games actually. I have not owned a console since the early 00s. I'm just saying, PC gaming was shit before 5th gen, but is thankfully good now.

>>7782291
You're a complete idiot then.

>>7782407
No you are

read it and weep consoletards

>>7782894
Nah I stand by my statement. For one you have embarrassingly shallow taste in games, thinking computers had no good ones till 5th gen consoles. That doesn't really make you an idiot, just lame with simple tastes. But that you "need" everyone else to stoop to your level to the point if making a thread begging for people to stop pretending they like games that are actually awesome, that really does make you an idiot.

>>7769921
Ive seen a few. There was that gigantic dos compilation .exe an anon posted a whiile back.

>>7782936
>thinking computers had no good ones till 5th gen consoles
>spreadsheets and interactive storybooks
>games
...

>>7783025
All you're doing highlighting that you're basically a child talking shit about things you have no real experience with. Slow claps.

Might and magic 3 is better than any console game from the same generation. Only fucking retarded zoomers think it was doom that put PCs ahead. Especially considering the technical showpiece that is underworld came out before doom as well.

>>7783214
But that's just a speadsheet storybook bra. Everything sucked before Doom and everyone who says otherwise is pretending. I should know. I'm hardcore PC gamer man.

>>7783235
Someone should actually punch that faggot in the throat for being so stupid lmao.

>>7783075
Name 20 good pre 5th gen pc games

>>7783263
They cant

lyl you should see the NES King's Quest V if you think consoles were always superior back then

>>7781524
I have all the information I need

>>7773228
There are many more really good 10-40 hour campaigns on PC than any other platform. Your rebuttal is dogshit.

Consoles were chiefly designed for being able to move a tile map and sprites around. They're not suited for anything that depends on a keyboard or large amounts of rewritable RAM.

>>7761268
>japanese computers
fuck your vns, and stop pretending you can read jap

well come on. you had games like Ultima in the early 80s when the typical console game was 8-16k and was just an endurance test of how high a score you could get before dropping of exhaustion.

>>7777053
nes was the best console ever, you need to go back

>>7783263
So I'll ignore ports of arcade games like Asteroids, Defender, Spy Hunter, Pac Man, Qbert etc etc. Not because they weren't awesome to play at home, but ports of arcade titles ought not to really count. Also I'll name just the first game in some series with multiple titles for brevity. Star Control 2 for example us a huge step over the first game, but even so both were great in their day so I just shove them under the same spot for space. Also I'm sure as soon as I post this ones I forgot will pop up again, but whatever. I feel like I'm mostly responding to a troll now anyways but off the top of my head,

Rogue
Arctic Fox
Lode Runner
Wasteland
Nethack
3-Demon
Scorched Earth
Bard's Tale
Star Control
Elite
Ultima
China Sea Trader
Wolfenstien 3D
Wizardry
Starflight
Quest for Glory
Angband
Pool of Radiance
Civilization
Wing Commander
Lemmings
Dune
Star Control

>>7783825
Most of those are ports from other computers.

>>7783843
That's a surreal statement. Were we supposed to be talking about games that only came out on one specific model of computer? I was simply narrowing it down to games that were playable on home computers as opposed to consoles. It's why I left off stuff like Tetris even though the computer version was great the same with arcade ports like Defender and Asteroids. The point is, they're awesome games you can't play on consoles or without paying every time in an arcade. I thought that's what the question was but if you want to move some more goal posts just say so.

>>7783873
But many of them (I'm not just talking about the ones on your list) weren't very good ports. Fewer colours, terrible or no sound. Sure, you could play these games on your dad's pc, but it wasn't a good way to play them compared to the other options available.
Wait, this whole time did you think this was a generic computers vs consoles thread?

>>7783916
I get that you're young and never experienced it in the time but arcade perfection wasn't really an issue. Yeah Defender wasn't quite as good, but it was free. And really it's no different today. Look at this board, people bitching about paying for vintage CRTs and genuine copies to get the "authentic" experience versus others just emulating whatever to have fun with the game.

Artic Fox literally was one of my favorite games at one point, it gets crazy fucking hard and you have to play careful. Back then did I have any idea there were better versions? I assumed there probably were, but what does that matter? What I was playing was awesome.

>>7783825
An easy way to put it is there are entire genres where some of the best stuff is on old pc.

>roguelikes
>WRPGs
>Management games
>PnC Adventure games
>Strategy games

I think some people on this board are genre blind and actually forget there are genres other than action games and JRPGs

>>7783263
>Name 20 good pre 5th gen pc games
civilization
eye of the beholder series
falcon series
formula one grand prix
links series
lucasfilm games adventures
lucasfilm games simulations
microprose simulations
might and magic series
populous series
railroad tycoon
sim city
ssi goldbox rpgs
star control 2
ultima series
ultima underworld series
wasteland
wing commander series
wizardry series
wolfenstein 3d

>>7783916
>But many of them (I'm not just talking about the ones on your list) weren't very good ports
True. Many were developed for dos.

>>7784023
Mate, I'm almost the same age as you so quit the "I'm old so I'm right" attitude. If you're really nearly 50 fucking act like it. This is not a personal attack on your childhood. But if you think the pc was a good place to play arcade ports in the 80s you really are delusional. Yes, you had fun. No one denies that. I had fun with terrible games as a kid too, and bad ports of good games too (C64 and then Amiga in my case).
But try and imagine for once that what makes a farming platform good or not is not just "I personally had fun when I was 8". All of the games you've used to justify why you think the pc was a good gaming platform were ports from the arcade or from other systems. No one would ever buy a pc just for that. The pc was not great at playing games as a primary function, it was not a good gaming platform. It was a good platform for *also* playing games. But no one in their right mind bought a pc as a gaming machine back then because it was technically inferior to a laughable degree, much more expensive and had few exclusive games. If it weren't for the Wintel dominance that emerged in the early 90s and another platform had become the de facto standard, the pc would be something people went back to purely for nostalgia reasons.
You wouldn't recommend anyone play the PC version of Arcticfox (there's no space in it, by the way) any more than I would recommend someone play the Amiga version of Street Fighter II, be honest.

>>7781524
>NES and IBM compatible games
Pretty good, actually.

>>7784878
14 years is a fairly big gap which is what you're proving more than anything. If you think computers sucked when you were 5 that's fine, but don't beg me to "stop pretending" so I'll agree with your terrible taste.

>>7785246
I think you replied to the wrong post

>>7785263
I responded to the person replying to me. Either way I flat out and fully reject the notion that gaming on computers was shit before 5th gen consoles and think anyone telling me I should stop pretending is an idiot and their opinion is meaningless to me.

>>7785292
I didn't say any of those things, and you aren't 14 years older than me, so I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you were replying to someone else. As it turns out you've just gone completely mental. Calm down and act your age.

>>7785317
Meh, I assumed I was still talking to OP who said they were 33. If you're also in your 40s then that's cool but if you agree with OP's opinion I think you're a fool. Computer gaming in the 80's and early 90's was fantastic.

>>7762391
I love my PC, and I use some emulation here and there, but mostly for debugging shit. The debug tools of emulators are awesome, but I can tell you that the experience is not 100% accurate or lag free, even in a 144 fps GSync monitor. Audio timing is often off by a noticable amount, video rendering is not accurate so some stuff shows in odd ways, etc. Only the SNES, Genesis, and below give you closer to an accurate experience, but even then there are some timing issues.

Can't beat those debugging tools though, and generally the experience is good enough if all you want to do is play the games you never played before. If I didn't have the real deal, I probably wouldn't notice the difference.

I think the only untrue thing is the sales. Consoles have tons of sales these days, rivalling Steam easily. Whether it's Steam, PS5 or Xbox, I rarely pay full price for anything, but this is really a thread (and board) about retro stuff, and your pic not only shows a new game, you're not even playing it. Probably should be more on topic.

>>7785323
Right. So you did reply to the wrong person. It's alright, things must be hard at your age, especially when your senses are overwhelmed by more than four colours. For your sake I hope no one posts a webm with sound. Sound! Imagine that! On a PC of all things!

>>7785376
Now you're the one being silly. I neither knew nor cared at the time that Arctic Fox was originally made for the Amiga. Just that it was a great game. Or that Civilization would get other versions. Rogue and Nethack certainly weren't ports and I already addressed things like Asteroids and Defender which though they weren't arcade perfect were still great at the time because I didn't have to walk to the diner at the end of the road and pay money every time I wanted to play them.

Now did computer gaming get better and better over the years? Of course. It still does, but that doesn't mean it wasn't great already. And OP's statement which this thread is about is utterly idiotic.

>>7785413
I think you've misunderstood the point of this thread. It's not a personal attack on you You know how the retards on /v/ do their pc master race shit on here, not realising that the pc wasn't always the most powerful platform? It's a personal on them.
No one is saying the pc didn't have games, or didn't have great games. But if was not the best place to play games, and for many it was easily the worst place to play them. It wasn't until the early 90s when pc gaming started to be taken seriously as a thing in its own right and not just "well we might as well port it to the pc, there are so bloody many of them". That's when it "got good". Maybe he should have phrased it as "the best".

>>7761575
He's wrong but not entirely. Wolfenstein 3D was at least partially inspired by an early demo of Ultima Underworld and it arguably led Id to create their own first person games with texture mapped walls. Accounts vary as to when this happened, Masters of Doom says that Paul Neurath called John Romero - told him about Underworld, other accounts have either Romero or Carmack seeing a demo in 1990. But either way there's a bit of truth to it. However by the time Id were making Doom the Ultima Underworld influence was pretty much non-existent. Both Underworld and Wolf 3D were still based on tiles for map design which Doom completely did away with. Looking Glass's follow-up, System Shock was still using tiles as a basis for creating their 3D maps. And that's just one example.

>>7785504
I know what's trying to be said I just strongly disagree. If anything I'd say it was Arcades first, computers second and consoles third but that's because I like games like Nethack and Civilization a lot more than Mario and Zelda. Also making the comparison that Street Fighter was shit on the Amiga so you would never recommend. But it was also shit on the SNES compared to the arcade but the selling feature for it is exactly the same as I laid out with arcade games like Asteroids on computer.

And I don't see any of this as an attack on me personally, it's just OP saying stupid shit and begging others to agree.

>>7785504
>You know how the retards on /v/ do their pc master race shit on here, not realising that the pc wasn't always the most powerful platform?
True. It wasn't in the 1980s.
>But if was not the best place to play games
depends on the genre
>and for many it was easily the worst place to play them
few, not many
>It wasn't until the early 90s when pc gaming started to be taken seriously as a thing in its own right
blatant lie

>>7785549
I don't think he was purposefully lying, he's just ignorant.

>>7785549
>in its own
You missed reading that part

>>7785569
I don't think he did. It was great in it's own right long before that.

>>7765651
The old doom games also have seen a boost in popularity in Japan.

>>7772874
>PCs were workstations and the game development for them lagged the game development of consoles
In what metrics? You'd have an argument when it comes to certain things that consoles were better at, but you're just reasserting a broad point.
this>that
5th gen started in 1993. The consoles that released from 1989 til then were better in a few ways, but were limited in others. Storage space, interface, video, etc...

LOL try playing SimCity on the SNES. It was not built for that kind of game.

>>7785581
Right... But that's not what I said.
>taken seriously as a thing in its own right
Can you name many, if any, big games for the PC in the 80s that were developed for the PC specifically? Even King's Quest wasn't designed for the PC proper.

>>7785641
>Even King's Quest wasn't designed for the PC proper
Ha ha of course it was. It was the first major game designed primarily around the IBM compatible hardware.

>>7785641
>Can you name many, if any, big games for the PC in the 80s that were developed for the PC specifically?
Microsoft Flight Simulator 1.0
>taken seriously as a thing in its own right
moving goalposts

modern homebrewfags make stuff for retro consoles and 8-bit computers but nobody does stuff for 80s PCs, nobody does modern homebrew DOS CGA/EGA shit.

>>7785647
It was commissioned specifically to promote the PCJr, which was (mostly) not compatible with the PC. But fine, count that if you want, got any others?

>>7785648
>Flight Simulator
Not a game
>moving the goalposts
I'm not OP

>>7785641
Nethack is a great example but I think this whole line or argument is utterly pointless.

>>7785693
>>7785648
Flight Simulator is absolutely a game. People saying otherwise are exactly why I think this whole thing is so idiotic.

>>7785709
Nethack was a port from Unix.

>>7785718
Also try F-15 Strike Eagle on the NES if you want a laugh.

>>7785682
>but nobody does stuff for 80s PCs, nobody does modern homebrew DOS CGA/EGA shit.
lying on the interweb

>>7785740
Are you even being serious at this point?

>>7785749
>Are you even being serious at this point?
thread is serious trolling since OP started it

>>7785763
Pretty well and I'm now second guessing if this is still just him.

Sierra were probably the first major game dev to focus primarily on PC compatibles.

>>7785749
Oh dear. Remember, we had this chat? If you're going to larp as a 47 year old you should keep in mind that you can't just take every piece of hardware and software and lump it under "PC".
And stop samefagging.

>>7785803
Yeah, not really many apart from them, and even they were more focused on the Apple II in the early days.

>>7785810
>>7785810
Ohh so now I'm larping. What is the point of any of this in that case? At any rate either way your argument has no point. SNES SF2 is great despite being a bad port and it's part of the reason the SNES was so great. In the exact same way as I experienced first hand, gaming on home computers in the 80's and was fantastic. Saying it didn't get good until 5th gen consoles is ridiculous to a point I can hardly describe. That this is even still going on is absurd.

And as for larping, if as you claim you're close to me in age then ho ahead and feel free to post your own withered old hands.

>>7785886
You having fun on your dad's pc is not in question. I keep telling you it's not about that. But the PC was not a great gaming platform, it was largely an afterthought with hugely inferior hardware for gaming that almost no one made games for specifically until the 90s. The only reason pc gaming existed was because lots of people had them for work.
If I'm wrong, name the great 80s PC games.

>>7785937
Yeah and I'm telling you you're wrong. I don't care about your opinions, you've already outed yourself as a troll, have made no valid arguments or replies and there's no point wasting more time.

Anyone who agrees with OP's sentiments is a literal retard. The end.

>>7785956
Rogue was released before the PC was released. Really starting to look like the PC was just a port machine in those days, eh?

Windmill's games like Digger and Moonbugs were pretty neat and they were really PC exclusives.

>>7785749
all pc's can run unix but not everything that runs unix is a pc

>>7785987
Finally! Those look like some cool games. Know any others?

>>7785992
Yeah I think what he didn't get is that I'm not talking about one specific computer, I'm talking about home computing in general. Though he probably does actually get that and was ignoring it to post more bait. Which is likely since he's shown his troll cards now.

>>7785976
Lol

Michael Abrash made a few early PC games like Cosmic Crusader and Snack Attack II (the latter an almost but not quite Apple II port) before he became much more famous years later as part of the Quake team.

>>7786012
>I'm not talking about one specific computer
Right. But this thread is specifically about the PC. And you were specifically defending the PC. You can't claim PC gaming was great because other computers with different, better games were great.
And Rogue does predate the PC. Feel free to check.

>>7786026
Excellent, someone else who actually knows about PCs.

>>7785937
>But the PC was not a great gaming platform,
Better than all first and second gen consoles, some third gen consoles and multiple micros
>it was largely an afterthought
compared to which market?
>with hugely inferior hardware for gaming
as with many micro computers
that almost no one made games for specifically until the 90s.
-almost no one
-specifically
they made games for PC cause there was a huge market, as you stated yourself:
>The only reason pc gaming existed was because lots of people had them for work.
>If I'm wrong, name the great 80s PC games.
i did that already (pre 5th gen):
>>7784829

>>7760879
A single game doesn't make a platform good.

Getting autistic about Doom is no better than those crazy fandoms and speedrunning scenes that only play one game their whole lives.

most developers just stick with 8-bit computers until VGA happen, they were cheaper and more than adequate for games of that time

>>7786056
Personal Computers isn't one specific model. Jesus Fucking Christ you're an obtuse weirdo.

>>7786084
>>Name the great 80s PC games
>i did that already
>Civ
90s
>Eye of the Beholder
90s
>Falcon
That's one
>Formula One Grand Prix
90s
>Links
90s
>LucasArts
Didn't develop for the PC until the 90s
>Microprose
You can have that but simulations aren't exactly games, are they?
>Might and Magic
Apple II ports
>Populous
Amiga port
>Railroad Tycoon
90s
>SimCity
Developed for the C64, first released on the Amiga
>Goldbox games
Ports
>Star Control II
90s
>Ultima
Started on the Apple II, and Underworld was 90s
>Wasteland
Apple II again
>Wing Commander
90s
>Wizardry
Apple II
>Wolfenstein 3D
90s
You sure got us, anon, that's a great list of 80s PC games. Definitely not a ports machine that only got good in the 90s.

>>7786175
You are not going to have any luck convincing anyone anywhere that you can count Apple, Atari and Commodore computers as PCs.

>>7786183
>Didn't develop for the PC until the 90s
The first game LucasArts released for PC compatibles was PHM Pegasus in '87.

>>7786201
That's nice. It's funny how in all this time almost no other thread here has made me feel this old. Enjoy your empty hate of something you never experienced.

>>7786175
You specified PC. Either concede your argument or try to back it up, this "I don't know what a PC is" is not going to be good for anyone. Cop on.

Most people think Alley Cat was a PC exclusive although it was originallly an Atari 800 game.

>>7786183
>>i did that already (pre 5th gen):
>i did that already
cutting
>Didn't develop for the PC until the 90s
released great PC games in the 80s
>You can have that but simulations aren't exactly games, are they?
trolling
>>wizardry series
>Wizardry
cutting
>Definitely not a ports machine
Definitely a (better) ports machine with some good games developed first for the PC
>that only got good in the 90s.
It was good in the 80s and was the best platform for gaming since 1990
>>7786183
>You sure got us, anon
i like feeding trolls

>>7786213
To me a PC is any home computer. I'm realizing the people I've been responding to have some other more specific definition, the semantics of which I don't really care about. I had an IBM growing up and for my tastes it was better for games than my NES though I loved both. If you want to look back and decide it must have all sucked because stuff like Civ, Rogue and Nethack were on other types of home computers or not that's fine but I think it's silly and you're just trolling for a pointless argument. So meh.

>>7786212
Glad we could help you grow up a bit.

I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have even gotten the IBM ports of Jumpman and Shamus if IBM hadn't commissioned them.

>>7786247
>To me a PC is any home computer.
Nobody else in the world ever uses that definition for a PC. An Apple is not a PC, everyone knows that. If you buy a game that has PC-CD ROM on it, do you go home expecting to be able to play it in your Amiga? Get lost troll.

>>7786243
>was the best platform for gaming since 1990
Er, might to read what you were actually arguing against, anon

>>7786247
>To me a PC is any home computer
Even thinking that about today's market is absolutely retarded.

>>7760854
oh yeah smart guy? well what about Doom? have you ever played Doom? have you tried the console ports? aren't they inferior? i'm pretty sure you're argument is entirely invalid because of this one game.

>>7786008
Pac-Gal/Girl is an early Pac-Man clone using the PC graphics char set in 80 column text mode. This game couldn't be done on 8-bit machines as they were mostly all 40 column.

>>7786282
you can easily do this on C64. you just have to scroll the maze as it would occupy two screen widths.

>>7786282
This wasn't even the first home version of Pac Man

>>7786260
>Er, might to read what you were actually arguing against, anon
trolls like this:

>>7760854
>PC did not git gud until approximately the time 5th gen consoles launched
>>7786183
>machine that only got good in the 90s.
>>7760880
>doom saved pc gaming
>>7760960
>Doom was around the time playing games on computers became a big thing
>>7760989
>Pic related was considered the pinnacle of PC gaming in 1990
>>7761050
>doom was nothing to write home about
>>7761227
>/vr/ is better now than it ever was.
>>7761334
>Doom is fucking trash.
>>7761401
>What games on these computers could compete against 4th gen console games?
>>7761567
>Doom is a dogshit game that plagiarized Ultima Underworld
>>7762397
>My point is that PC gaming was pretty shit up to the mid 90s
>>7762442
>Yeah PC games started to become good from 1995 on
>>7764228
>PC gaming didn't even get really good until mid-7th gen if we are going to be completely honest.
>>7771116
>During the 6th gen PC gaming got killed off by Microsoft
>>7772874
>hence PC gaming was not as good as console gaming until ~5th gen
>>7782291
>PC gaming was shit before 5th gen, but is thankfully good now.
>>7783235
>Everything sucked before Doom and everyone who says otherwise is pretending
>>7783263
>Name 20 good pre 5th gen pc games
>>7784878
>All of the games you've used to justify why you think the pc was a good gaming platform were ports from the arcade or from other systems
>>7785504
>It wasn't until the early 90s when pc gaming started to be taken seriously as a thing in its own right
>>7785693
>Not a game

I'd have loved to see Dizzy or Turrican on a PC with its shit pink and purple graphics and bleeper sound. LOL.

>>7786309
>Everyone I disagree with is a troll
The fucking state of you

>>7786348
>>Everyone I disagree with is a troll
either this or a hard r-word

>>7786256
That's cool. I stoped caring about any of this when asked for examples of great old computer games and after mentioning Nethack it's discounted because the guy considers it a Unix release. I realize I am wasting my time on children and their obtuse semantics.

>>7786279
>have you ever played Doom
Yes, I very much enjoy Doom. The console ports are inferior, but that's not the point of the thread. For every Doom on PC there were at least 10 console games that are just as good.

>>7786523
Why are you replacing "PC games" with "computer games"?

Your example was discounted (and rightly laughed at) because Nethack was a simple free light-weight ascii-based game made for any system that ran unix. It would be like if someone asked for a great PC game released in the past few years and you said "Angry Birds". So hopefully that gives you some insight into how stupid you are.

>>7786523
You don't know what a PC actually is, do you?

>>7786617
Because to me PC means personal computer so they're computer games and I neither know nor care what your distinction is.

>>7786671
It's always meant personal computer to me. If millennials have changed it I don't really care.

>>7786764
Not *a* personal computer, *the* Personal Computerand. If it ain't compatible it ain't a PC. Nobody changed the meaning, and you know yourself deep down because you even used the phrase "IBM compatible" back long ago (I'm the guy who asked you your age) so you know there's a distinction.

Imagine pretending to be that dumb just to try not to concede an argument on an anonymous forum.

>>7786307
And no one claimed otherwise.

>>7786875
He's not anonymous though, those are some distinctive hands.

>>7786673
>I neither know nor care what your distinction is
he cant recover from this

>>7786816
Okay. So to you and your ilk PC means IBM compatible, that's cool.

>>7787092
I don't think I have anything to recover from.

None of this detracts at all from the basic reality that home computers, IBM or otherwise were a great place to find great games in the 80's. I was as unconcerned with Asteroids and Defender not being arcade perfect then as I was with SF2 being not arcade perfect when it came out on SNES. A home computer was awesome in that sense in the same way a SNES was. And sure you can say "but that home computer of yours couldn't play SF2 nearly as well as an SNES!" and you'd be right, but SNES equally sucked for games like Civ or Nethack. That doesn't mean both weren't awesome, just different.

>>7760854
LOL PC was always better.

>>7787424
If by "my ilk" you mean "the entire rest of humanity" then yes. If you would like to test this, please go into an Apple store and ask to buy a PC, to play PC games.
Next you'll be telling us that all games consoles are Nintendos.

>>7787427
Not even in a contest during the 3rd and 4th gen. Sorry consoles absolutely destroyed PCs for gaming back then

>>7787617
Except they didn't.

>>7769939
with Freesync maybe. Too bad dreamcast emulators shit the bed with VRR.

Lyl try and do X-COM on a 4th gen console with its <10Mhz CPU and 128k of rewritable RAM.

>>7787838
no, it takes a very long time for consoles to be emulated without noticeable input lag. the hardware needs to be there to allow for it, and the software needs to be highly optimised.

>>7785618
... wtf?! SimCity is iconic as being one of the great successes in PC-to-console strategy ports. It plays excellently on the SNES.

Remember, the razor blade goes down the road, not across the street.

>>7760854
Japanese PC gaming though.

From the MSX2, to the pc98 and sharp 68000 these machines have libraries that definitely stack up with the genesis or super Nintendo or whatever. Games were a big part of those machines, and anything but and afterthought.

There were decent PC games for more American computers, running under things like dos- but you were fairly limited in genre. Like slow paced probably point and click adventure games? Construction tycoons? Then you're set.

But remember that it wasn't until the mid 90s that most people's PCs could even really pull off smooth scrolling.

Palshit micro computers are shit. Very few redeeming factors. Not much reason to revisit them outside of nostalgia or retrospect

>>7788685
>It could have played ok on the SNES if it had mouse support
And it didn’t

Pretty much everything before 1994 was shit. Golden age of gaming went from 1994 to 2004. Exactly one decade of good games then it died. The end.

>>7761486
>there's no mouse since the Mega Drive was never offered with one.
Actually there was a Mouse released but since it came out late in the console's life not a lot of games supported it.
Monkey Island on Sega CD did support it though.