/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7711593
based
fuck red/blue fags

i loved first gen, and had all three as a kid, but i think 3rd gen was peak.

>>7711609
>3rd gen was peak
Apart from Emerald’s Battle Frontier it was pretty forgettable.

>>7711593
back to your containment board

>>7711642
>Not talking about the anime, TCG or gens past 3
>Wahh go away
Your tears are delicious.

ENTER

What gen 2 added was huge.

>>7711593
Silver was my favourite.

>>7711975
Not so much

>>7711593
Gens 3-5 were the only good Pokemon games, 1 and 2 were beta-tier shit and 6-present are trash

>>7711593
a coping yellow rat wrote this post

>>7712134
Spoken like a true zoomer

>>7712138
t. seething balding boomer

Yellow is cool but it's inferior to BR. For the record there are less battles in Yellow, see the top of the ghost tower where instead of fighting many team rocket grunts, you only have one fight against jessie&james

My problem with Yellow is that I am too autistic to not stack my team with Pikachu/Charmander/Squirtle/Bulbasaur which I think diminishes the sense of adventure associated with catching Pokemon and making due with what you have. I preferred Yellow back in the day, but replaying RGY as an adult in the past year or so, I found that red and blue were more enjoyable.

>>7712168
>replaying RGY
Replaying RBY**

>>7712164
On the other hand, the gym leaders have higher level pokemon and all of the Yellow sprites actually reflect the final Pokemon designs

BR sprites had a mystery to them, felt like gazing into a different world and challenging the play. Yellow just had faggot anime generic sprites, good for babies I guess

>>7712195
it felt like gazing into a world of extremely poor quality control where the sprites clearly looked designed by different people with different artstyles

I traded this game for a copy of CT Special Forces for the GBA

>>7712227
I don't think so

>>7712242
I don't care what you think, negro.

>>7712306
Full R/B pokemon spritesheet for further reference

>>7712313
soul

>>7712306

That ghastly is fantastic. The idea is that the cartoons and the games should be crude representations of a real world. The ghastly challenges the player. Yellow is for morons who get uncomfortable because something doesn't match their faggot cartoon

>>7712323
Your argument is retarded because a good portion the sprites actually *do* match the "cartoon", and by that you must mean the actual designs of the Pokemon. The rest look like someone else did them entirely. It's not like they're all off-model. It's incredibly inconsistent, and sloppy, as a result.

>>7712313
Look at this happy little motherfucker.
They took this from you.

>>7712349
for me, it's the crystal sprite

>>7712349
I miss fat pikachu

>>7712195
lmao could you be more insecure about your stupid retard baby pokeman games?

>>7712417

>>7712170
>Replaying RBY**
Replaying RGB***

>>7711932
i kneel

>>7711932
>millennials didn't get to grow up playing Pokemon at its peak in terms of quality
sucks to be them, at least they have their meme fad era to remember even though the first two sets of games were buggy as fuck

FRLG is the best.

>>7712770
too much handholding bullshit

>>7712428
Why is there so much stuff that was innocent as we were a kid that's now dirty as an adult

>>7712795
because you're now old enough to notice the degenerate shit that jews put in ads even back then

>>7711593
pokemon peaked with whatever gen catered to you the most
Catching: Gen 6 (dexnav, numbers of pokemon available)
Battling: Emerald/Platinum (Battle Frontier) even for multiplayer these were the best gens
Furry porn: gen 7
Pokegirls: current gen and beyond
virtual pet: hgss pokewalker

>>7712806
Actually pokemon peaked in gen 1 as that was when the sheer pop culture footprint was at it's largest. Not that the later games didn't improve on the groundwork laid down, but the general explosive "fad" element had dwindled by Gen 2.

>>7712815
It only peaked in mainstream popularity, in terms of actual game quality Gen 1 and 2 were absolute shit, Gen 3 was a massive boost in quality

The only thing I'm certain of is that gen 1 had the best music in the whole franchise. And gen 2 runs sluggishly compared to gen 1. Both are vastly better and more soulful than anything that came after though

>>7711593
>Pokemon's actual peak
What are you talking about? In Yellow, only Pikachu makes the right noises, while every other monster makes Gameboy screeches. Meanwhile in current gen Pikachu AND Eevee make the right noises, and every other monster makes GBA screeches. That's massive improvement.

In just under 3 millenia they might eventually manage to get all of the original 151 sounding like they're supposed to

>>7712515
>millennials didn't get to grow up playing Pokemon at its peak in terms of quality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

>>7712821
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXgAj5KdAC0
This. I was so disappointed by the music in FR/LG.

>>7713235
Meant for >>7712980

>>7712171
who cares what the final designs became. gen one sprites are the shit

>>7713267
are shit*
FTFY

>>7712349
it fucking sucks bros

>>7712313
Me as Gengar.

>>7711593
>came out to late to ride the initial wave of fun
>shit-tier starter that was available in blue and red as a standard mon
>canonizing cringe-tier anime
lol. i didn't understand why anyone would buy this

>>7711593
Naw the Gold, Silver, and Crytal was its peak

>>7712806
>Pokegirls: current gen and beyond

Do you mean that the newest game has the meme of having the best girl, or SwordShield? Because SwordShield's girls are quite dull, especially female PC.

>>7711593
Well, the best sprites at least. I don't think 3 starters is really worth a lot but that seems like the only other important feature.

>>7711609
Zoomers need to stay on regular /v/ for at least another 10 years

>>7711593
Emerald is definitely peak, though i did enjoy platinum.

Gen 5 was the real peak. Even if you didn't like the game itself, thats where pokemon had the most features and there still felt like there was love in the games and story.
Everything 3DS onward has been more and more of a joke.

>>7714405
Whats worse gen 6 or 7?

>>7714245
You can fight Jessie.

>peak

>>7712313
Kabuto looks like a fucking pancake with claws

>>7714423
6 was def worse, cause you could tell GF had this new hardware but also adjusting to 3-D so they didn't utilize it properly. Gen 7 saw some improvement and Alola's rich background made up for a lot of it.
Gen 8 was a trainwreck and should have been on the 3ds.

>>7712227
>>7712306
The sprites were made by a handful of different
people. Also "Official Artwork" was based on the sprites which came first, not the other way around. If anything Ken Sugimori failed to capture what was represented by the sprite.

>>7714485
who would eat?

I wouldn't

>>7714423
Gen 6 is really plain but at least it shuts up and lets you play. Sun and Moon is so packed with cutscenes that it feels more like an anime than a game.

>>7714485
Hey, fuck you double nigger. Apologize>>7714502
I have sun and moon

>>7714534
I only hated the cutscenes when USUM came out cause they were the same shit from the first time. Walking through the game originally it was a lot more immersive.

>>7711593
>Pokémon's actual peak being the game that gives you a Pikachu instead of a good starter in Gen 1.

I mean, it isn't. But good bait, I guess.

>>7714485
Cute buggo

>>7712313
>Poliwrath doing the Kamen Rider henshin
>Geodude thumbs up and flacid arms
>Golbat wanting a licky
>Kingler staring at your soul

Pure kino.

>>7714641
But yellow fixed retarded shit like charizard not learning fly

>>7714674
Charizard flying is not canon.

>>7714678
the nigga hath wings

>>7714641
>Charizard
>Good starter
Kek

>>7714680
This has been debunked.

>>7714687
No.

>>7714687
based snopes fact checker

I used to fantasize about eating Misty's poop, but also Sabrina's poop, and then I had to choose between one of them or neither would let me eat their poop

>>7711642
/tr/ isn't a containment board

>>7714925
Stfu

>>7714678
>>7714687
Charizard definitely flys in the anime.
I remember Ash's Charizard flying in the air during fights.

>>7715249
Why do you think they added it to Yellow? The whole point of yellow was to be an Ash simulator

>>7715256
They could have made it snowflake Charizard like your starter Pikachu that won’t evolve.

>>7714678
>In the anime
>In every game after Yellow
It’s canon, fag. Maybe he couldn’t in the beginning, but all continuity is subject to change. Cope.

>>7714674
Damn, that just debunked my entire argument, I can't wait to play through Yellow and get Charmander later in the game- oh wait.

>>7715294
Charmander isn’t useful until later in the game kek.

>>7715294
You can still get a Nidoking once you reach Mt. Moon and steamroll the game. I don’t know why you’re putting such a heavy emphasis on starters. Sounds like something a pleb would do.

>>7715332
>Sounds like something a pleb would do.
That's what the vast majority of pokemon fans do, have you ever seen the autistic screeching that goes on about starters on /vp/? It's the reason the whole "Fire/Fighting OH NO THERE'S WAY TOO MANY OF THOSE" meme even happened, because their tiny brains can't look beyond starter pokemon.

>>7714674
Actually in RB it was clear that was intentional, as the only things that can learn Fly are birds (and Mew). Golbat, Butterfree, etc, they couldn't fly. Funny enough, Yellow changes Dragonite's pokedex entry to mention it flies, but Dragonite wouldn't get the luxury of learning the move until GS.

>>7715294
Getting a random shitmon as a starter is peak soul wtf are you on about

>>7712236
Bad trade

>>7713384
>1996
Wait a second, that number...

>>7715359

>Playing an already jank ass Pokemon game in a fundamentally fucked up way is ""peak soul"".

No it's not, people like you use this excuse to cope because the alternative is killing your parents for making you whittle through Brock and most of Mt. Moon with a Pikachu and any Pokemon you can catch before the first gym. You want your little Pikachu jerk off session? Then fuck off back to /a/ and watch the anime.

>>7714506
>Also "Official Artwork" was based on the sprites which came first
That's not true at all. And the official artwork was absolutely released before Japanese Blue, which the R/B sprites are based on, released with its updated and still inaccurate sprites.

>>7715448
Imagine being such a fucking retard that you missed catching a Mankey or Nidoran west of Viridian, or having a Butterfree, all of which learn moves that can shit all over Brock's team, by the time you arrive at Pewter. Even if you did just train Pikachu you'd have gotten enough experience to have tail whip + double team + quick attack which would also destroy his pokemon.

>>7712313
Now these are some MONSTERS.

>>7712815
Honestly Pokemon's pop culture footprint is arguably larger now. Its just become a part of everyday life. Its stuff adults know about now.

>>7715314
>Charmander isn’t useful until later in the game kek.


Special is so broken in the game you can just use his firetype moves and slash to steamroll most of the game. You have to level him about 5 levels above your gymleader but It is entirely possible to beat RBY with just Charmander and its evos.

>>7715314
You can actually just use ember to defeat Brock's team without much issue

>>7711932
The Pokémon in this gen looked like the nerds gen 1 and 2 beat up in high school.

>>7715294
You get Charmander in yellow just in time to set fire to Erica's shifty gym, I don't know what you're talking about or implying. Did you forget you can get all the r/b starters?

>>7716213
How old are you? Adults knew about it back when it exploded in the 90s too

>>7716183
Gen 1 and 2 pokemon were designed in sprite form first. Or are you going to tell me that all of these mons have "official art" designs tucked away somewhere?

>>7711593
That would be Red/Blue. I appreciate Yellow, but it's strange.

2nd gen is good, but leans too heavily on gen 1 Pokemon. This would be ok, but there are only 100 new Pokemon and some of the best new Pokemon are locked until YOU BEAT THE 2ND GEN PART OF THE GAME. What a nonsense design. The Kanto part is half-arsed and feels more like a romhack than part of the actual game. Gyms 5-7 have no variation in difficulty and feel like a boss rush mode with not enough content between them.

>>7716336
They knew what a pikachu looked like but they weren't actually into the franchise.

>>7713267
spooky ass exeggutor

>>7712795
the sorts of low quality people you're forced to come into contact with on a daily basis online, just to avoid the boring normie sites where they talk about nothing, have corrupted you

>>7716396
You mean like concept art? Yes.

>>7714674
Imagine wasting a slot on an useless move

Crystal and yellow are the best pokemon games

>>7712313
I always preferred sprite pidgeot to official art

>>7711932
>>7716308
Gen I and II have superior Pokémon, but this is the best game.

>>7716675
Your pic is someone's memory of the fire starter from when they played G&S at SW97.

>>7716827
how is fly a wasted move when charizard gets STAB from it, it's his most powerful flying move, and he becomes invincible for one turn? You didn't think I was talking about using fly as an hm slave did you?

>>7712515
>the first two sets of games were buggy as fuck
You haven't played them, have you?

Johto games had way better music

>>7717408
Name one track better than Champion Blue’s theme. I’ll wait.

>>7717437
I think even the regular G/S/C gym theme is better

>>7712134
3 and 5 were great, but 4 was a fucking trash heap of a game. sword and shield blow it out of the water for comparison. 4 is a literal embarassment

>>7717437
While good, National Park, ecruteak, and legendary beast battle theme are better.

>>7715314
In FireRed he got Metal Claw and became a fucking chad.

>>7712774
?

>>7712515
i'm a 28 y/o millennial, ruby/sapphire/ emerald came out in 2002-3. I was 11 years old when these were new and 5 when red and blue came out. What are you talking about?

>>7716643
that's because modern adults are kids who played it back then, retard

>>7712103
>Breeding
>Genders
>Held items
>Time and day-based encounters and events
>Rematches
>Mystery Gift
>Mythical in-game events
>Battle Tower
>Online battling
>Online trading
>Animated sprites
>Special split
>Dark + Steel
>Shinies
>16 Gyms
>Second region

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>>7716629
>This would be ok, but there are only 100 new Pokemon and some of the best new Pokemon are locked until YOU BEAT THE 2ND GEN PART OF THE GAME. What a nonsense design.
This zoomer autism will never fail to get a kek out of me.

>>7717304
They are literally not even worth playing, they're nothing but buggy jank with shit design. Newer Pokemon games completely mog genwun and 2

>>7719565
ZOOM

>>7719565
(You)

>>7719863
>>7719991
boom

>>7720076
None of these things make the game not worth playing, though. There are so many charming things you can do because of this stuff that you can't do in other generations, like the badge boost glitch. I've taken advantage of Lorelei's shitty AI to sweep her team with a level 48 beedrill (since i'm poison, she just spams agility, then I spam agility myself and now all my stats are +6). Felt good to win. You just can't do shit like that on other generations.

>>7720101
>the game being buggy and broken is "charming"
holy fucking boomer cope
and while we're at it here's a video that destroys Gen 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75RibBHgJHQ

>>7720118
>Here’s a video that enforces my beliefs because I’m too stupid to argue

>>7720125
anon the comments section is fool of boomers who grew up loving Gen 2 and they admit the guy is right

>>7720118
yeah, it is charming. how about you share which of those glitches are deal breakers to you, because 75% of them BENEFIT you the fucking player.

>>7720154
>spoonfeed me!
fuck off boomer

>>7720159
I'm 25, man. The games came out when I could barely walk.

Seriously though, the glitch exploitation is one of the most fun aspects of the first two generations and is partly why so many people come back to the first two generations because of how much the game can be controlled by the player. I still stand by it, 75% of those glitches benefit the player. Am I really going to fucking complain that agility increases my attack, or that I can become invincible while using fly, or that I can evolve my pokemon without a moonstone, or that I can summon mew in the wild? Give me a break, who is going to complain about that? Do you actually have a single example of a glitch that is so bad you're going to turn the game off and say "fuck this"? Freeze is the only valid one on that list, and that's not even a fuck up, that was just a design choice back then that only looks bad from the benefit of hindsight.

>>7716396
>kangaroo arms hitmontop
that looks so cool
god fucking dammit

>>7720118
How can you zoomers watch this trash? Are you even old enough to be here?

>>7720193
you are now aware that 2003 was 18 years ago

Gen 1 and 2 just feel so fucking barebones, empty and lacking by today's standards. It's like going back to Final Fantasy 1, if FF1 was much more full of bugs.

>>7720210
>today's standards
The series peaked at gen IV. Every addition afterwards is unwelcome.

>>7720221
It peaked at Gen V actually. And yes, it went downhill after that, but even shit like SW/SH is still a better game than Gen 1 or 2 for a wide variety of reasons. Those games are just too old and shitty. They don't hold up. They're too broken, and in the case of G/S/C they're just fundamentally flawed with terrible game design like the level curve, the number of Johotomons not even found in Johto, the Johto leaders using Kantomons, and so on.

>>7720076
half of these dont even seem like glitches to me. theyre just gen 1 specific differences

>>7720118
I'm not going to watch 25 minutes of an autistic beta male relentlessly complaining about a children's game from the late 1990s

>>7720315
because you'd rather live in ignorance with your nostalgia

>>7720236
>Those games are just too old and shitty. They don't hold up.
This is /vr/. Sorry if that's a cop out, but come on, you're on the old games board, don't use "it's old' as a talking point against it. Everybody here is more inclined to play a gameboy game than a DS or switch game, that's just how it is.
>They're too broken
If you were to hand red and blue to somebody for the first time today they would never run into any of the glitches or bugs you're talking about. The famous glitches of that generation were discovered through taking apart the game and finding exploits, nobody encountered that stuff by chance, and most of these (Missingno, mew glitch, pokedoll skip, bicycle skip, badge boost glitch) and so on are desirable to the people that like these generations. The complaints about intentional game mechanics can only be understood through hindsight after playing the other generations afterwards. Regarding your opinion about johto, I just don't understand how this can be an objective point, it's just your opinion, and you're ignoring all that those games innovated in order to call it "bad game design". Who cares if kantomons are all over the place if the G/S kantomons are more balanced than they were in R/B, when they are the mons that kids were most familiar with at release date and the ones kids wanted to catch, when you have backwards compatibility with R/B, and so on? Why even negate the johtomons either when there are so many new mons introduced to the player right at the very beginning?

For the record, my first pokemon game was Sapphire, I am a zoomer, I missed out on the first two generations (kids my age played G/S when I was young but I never owned them at that time), and I still prefer them over III and IV today. Yes, I understand the first two generation's flaws, but I also understand what makes them unique and why they are desirable to come back to. No generation is truly irredeemable.

>>7718972
>Genders
Excuse me?

>>7720353
Not every retro game is bad of course but R/B/Y/G/S/C are.

>>7720359
imagine thinking there are multiple genders

>>7720570
there are 3: male, female, genderless (shit like magnemite)

>>7720659
>genderless
absolutely pozzed

>>7711604
This. OP is based and redpilled.

though i do like gen 2, the level curve is the one thing that kind of ruins it for me. i'm still baffled they didn't fix it in the remakes of those games, but then again gamefreak is fucking gamefreak

>>7720686
nostalgiafags would have complained they changed too much, honestly Johto itself is a shit region and has too many problems to be fixed, rather than a remake they should have just cut their losses and made a whole new game set in Johto

>>7720359
Gender did not exist as a mechanic in Gen I. The male/female symbols existed only in the species names for Nidoran-F and Nidoran-M (they won't show up if you type them here). In Gen II, most Pokémon could be male or female, with the exceptions of Legendary, Mythical, and object/artificial Pokémon. Some were exclusively male (ie. Tauros) and others exclusively female (ie. Jynx), while others were more likely to be male (ie. Machamp) or more likely to be female (ie. Jigglypuff) but could still be either.

However, gender is more than flavor text, it determines if two Pokémon of the same egg group can breed. The move Attract also makes use of it. Not only that, but how breeding works (the egg's species and inherited moves) depends on the gender of each parent. For example, Parasect is in the Bug and Grass egg groups, while Meganium is in the Grass and Monster egg groups. Since they share an egg group (Grass), they can breed. If Meganium is male (and it will be 87.5% of the time), the baby will be of the female's species (in this case, it'll be a Paras). The baby Paras will inherit the move Light Screen if the father Meganium has it, and that's a move it cannot learn through TM, level up, or tutoring.

Pokémon that are male only (Nidoran-M, Nidorino, Nidoking, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Tauros, Tyrogue, Hitmontop) and Pokémon that don't have a known gender (Magnemite, Magneton, Voltorb, Electrode, Staryu, Starmie, Ditto, Porygon, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Mewtwo, Mew, Unown, Porygon2, Raikou, Entei, Suicune, Lugia, Ho-Oh, Celebi) cannot produce eggs of their species unless bred with a Ditto. Baby Pokémon (Pichu, Cleffa, Igglybuff, Togepi, Tyrogue, Smoochum, Magby, Elekid), Mythicals (Mew, Celebi), and Legendaries (Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Mewtwo, Raikou, Entei, Suicune, Lugia, Ho-Oh) cannot breed whatsoever, and Ditto cannot breed with itself to make more Ditto.

>>7720667
what is asexual reproduction?

>>7718972
More doesn’t mean better.

>>7720824
name one thing in that list they shouldn't have added

>>7720824
It does in Pokemon. The series improved with every single gen through Gen V and then dipped in quality starting with Gen VI right when they decided to start dumbing everything down and pander to genwunners.

>>7720830
>It does in Pokemon
No.

>>7720838
t. genwunner faggot

>>7720824
I agree in the sense that there's something to be said about early Pokémon's simplicity. The argument people often use is that stuff like EVs and IVs take some of the enjoyment out of the game because you start thinking about what is an isn't an optimal Pokémon, and trying to get the best IV spread across a bred Pokémon along with the right moves, the best nature, and maybe even shininess is a type of autism to a lot of people that just drains the fun away. But even Gen I Pokémon had stat experience and DVs (though stat experience didn't have an overall cap so you didn't need to care about what you were battling).

But so many of Gen II's additions were really cool that add to the game. Like of course being able to hold items are good, why wouldn't it be? Why isn't the time of day being visually indicated by the game's color palette good? It's fantastic and adds to the immersion and even lets you find new encounters.

>>7720873
Natures really made the games unfun for me. I know it doesn't really matter with an in-game team, but having a shitty nature on a pokemon on a team member that you'll see every time you open its status screen for whatever reason just sucks.

>>7720890
Frankly, the whole concept of DVs from the very beginning bugged me. If they had a way to let you train them up to max, that would be fine. Same with if they let you relearn moves you've already learned so you can make an optimized team. And if TMs were infinite from the start (even if they had some sort of cost), that would be nice too. There are 12 moves that can only be learned through TMs in Gen I.
>Bide
>Bubble Beam
>Thunderbolt (this is the significance of Pikachu naturally learning it in the anime and why it learns it naturally in Yellow)
>Mega Drain
>Toxic
>Psywave
>Fire Blast
>Fissure
>Razor Wind
>Mimic
>Soft-Boiled
>Rock Slide (you'd think the one Rock TM would be Brock's reward instead of Bide)
So it feels like using one is a huge sacrifice that will always be suboptimal unless you have optimal DVs. A good number of Pokémon can't even have perfect DVs in Gen I because of the way the RNG works in certain areas.

>>7720838
Agreed. Pokemon was never balanced, but the current roster is a cumbersome fuckfest. Splitting the Special stat was a step in the right direction, as was inclusion of abilities, but there are simply too many pokemon to juggle

PIKACHU IS A FAT WOMBAT

>>7720890
agreed i hate natures. i can take the coin flip on getting the ability i want, but when theres like a 1 in 25 chance of getting the right nature on top of that it fucking sucks. what kind of freak enjoys catching 2 dozen geodudes just to get the right nature/ability combo?

>>7720830
>when they decided to start dumbing everything down and pander to genwunners.
This is the most retarded shit you've posted yet.

>>7721032
>This is the most retarded shit you've posted yet.

>>7716629
Totally agreed on certain Gen 2 Pokemon being locked behind the end credits, but leaning heavily on Gen 1 Pokemon is something that I think is pretty cool about GSC in retrospect. The Gen 2 Pokemon were supposed to be "newly discovered" rather than specifically native to Johto, so it makes a lot of sense that they'd be somewhat hidden away and less common. It plays into the design philosophy of GSC as a "sequel" to RGBY as opposed to another iteration in a franchise.

Of course, much like the Pokemon that you can only find in what is essentially the post-game, I also think GameFreak went a little too far with this idea in some ways. For instance, there's really no excuse for all of the Johto Gym Leaders to not have at least one Gen 2 Pokemon on their team. Certainly, it's extremely lame that half of them don't.

>>7721032
In the Iwata Asks for BW, they say they outright tried to make the game more linear and straightforward so that younger players don't get lost as much. You can see them take this to an extreme level in SM where you have a map on your bottom screen at all times with a destination marker, and the game railroads you constantly.

What he means by pandering is how Kanto gets a disproportionate amount of references in every game XY onward compared to before where it was about equal with other regions. In XY, you get a second starter and it's a Kanto starter. Charizard and Mewtwo are the only two Pokémon to get two Mega Evolutions. The Legendary Pokémon (barring Xerneas/Yveltal and Zygarde) are Articuno/Zapdos/Moltres and Mewtwo. Santalune Forest copies Viridian Forest's layout. Snorlax blocks the way. In SM, they have to specify that the protagonist is from Kanto and that he's 11 years old like Red was in Gen I when ages weren't really specified in any other game apart from Gen I. All the Alola forms are for Kanto Pokémon. Kukui goes on about how tough the Kanto Gym Leaders are, they're the toughest! And in SwSh, Galar's top three Pokémon are Charizard, Gengar, and Machamp. Of the 32 Gigantamax Pokémon, 1 is Unova, 1 is Gen VII (Melmetal, only found in a Kanto remake so it's a Kanto Pokémon), 18 are Galar, and 12 are Kanto. Hell, the majority of Gym Leader aces in SwSh are Kanto Pokémon.

This is because Gen I sold the most and has the most recognizability so it's more profitable to plaster the games with "I REMEMBER THAT FROM WHEN I WAS 10" references for fans who fell out after it stopped being a fad than to do it for anything that isn't Kanto + [current region] because the people who played all those games will buy it anyway.

>>7721114
>In the Iwata Asks for BW, they say they outright tried to make the game more linear and straightforward so that younger players don't get lost as much. You can see them take this to an extreme level in SM where you have a map on your bottom screen at all times with a destination marker, and the game railroads you constantly.

It's worth reminding yourself that these were the games that came out after the Sinnoh games, which are apparently somewhat infamous for going too far with maze like design. Kids DID get lost trying to beat those games and a lot of kids just didn't beat the games because of it, especially anything to do with Mt. Coronet, and apparently a lot of complaints towards the games were received from parents. Personally I even had a few friends who never beat their copies of diamond and pearl because they just didn't know where to go at multiple different stages of the story.

They definitely over-adjusted for complaints towards DPP, but it's not like they just up and decided "routes will be lines and caves will be cutscenes now" for no actual reason.

>>7721114
Kantobros we can’t stop winning

>>7721012
i can't help but feel as if 400 monsters would have been more than enough. pokemon should have been a niche franchise

>>7720076
The Freeze thing pissed me off on pokemon stadium

>>7720204
>Gen 6 consoles allowed on /vr/
>board quality instantly tanks
The only good thing the retro shift did was allow Deus Ex discussion on /vr/; other than that, letting kids who grew up on the PS2 as their first console discuss here was a mistake

>>7721164
While Sinnoh certainly does have its fair share of complex area design, backtracking, and even some branching paths, the previous regions do have their moments too. One of the examples I often give of progression in previous games is that you should not look at individual routes to compare, but to the progress between checkpoints. This is Route 222 from Sinnoh, and it doesn't look that impressive, but you have to remember the context between Snowpoint City (Gym #7) and Sunyshore City (Gym #8) is not only this route, but the Galactic Veilstone Building and Mt. Coronet. Hoenn's mid-game is also quite open and has branching paths between destinations. You don't even have to defeat Winona (Gym #6) until you reach the Pokémon League. But everything after Norman just opens up dramatically even if the water routes aren't that good. And even Silph Co. in Gen I is a fairly challenging dungeon not too far off from Mt. Coronet.

The way BW+'s "between checkpoints" are designed doesn't feel like it's going "pre-Sinnoh", it feels like a different design philosophy entirely to all previous games. There are some moments that feel kind of close to older games, like the track of area between Gym #1 and Gym #2 in XY (it would normally be placed later in a game though), but paths overall are more straightforward with most of the interesting stuff shoved off to the side. Alola was so ridiculous in how tightly it held the player's hand and prevented them from even scouting ahead that it doesn't even feel like Pokémon to me anymore.

>>7720176
if you admit to exploiting glitches then you admit defeat because your original argument was that the games aren't buggy. doesn't matter if you like the bugs or not.

not even the anon you're replying to. also I'm an older dude who played pokemon and yes even gen2 is flawed as shit. not nearly as many bugs as gen1 but bad game design is rampant

>>7712168
I agree and would do what you do. Problem is the pokemon formula itself is flawed though because of this. There is always tiers with these creatures that was too obvious no matter the gen. Using just one pokemon actually making it very highly leveled through grinding (don't even have to go out of your way for this) will make these games super easy. You can have more normal leveled monsters for backup. You never really need more than 3-4 even if you are casual.

>>7721912
Prior to the shift the board has been dead with the same few people regurgitating the same few platforms and games over and over for years.

>>7721912
Nah. The board was stagnant and shitposting was at an all-time high. Sadly you can only discuss Doom and le good old days so many times before it gets boring.

>>7711604
>>7711593
Finally some truth in this shithole

>>7720118
He needs his mouth washing out. This is children's media he's talking about. Besides, this is him mostly ranting, 'this sucks, that sucks'; he didn't "destroy" anything.

YELLOW??

>>7712507
>Replaying RGB***
Replaying RGBY****

yellow is only liked by anime bandwagoners who never played rb before. only decent changes are move pools in the E4. nobody needs the cringe anime changes, that intro sequence made for 6 year old girls or a rat screeching you in worse than intellivoice synthesis module quality every time you want to continue your savefile

>>7725768
Now once more without the buzzwords.

Golden Sun > Pokemon

>>7720118
That guy is a giant faggot

>>7720118
Is this the dude who goes on for ages about not all of the new Pokémon not being competitively viable, new Pokémon being in the post-game, and some new Pokémon being rare or not being guaranteed encounters? Also the level curve argument is so stupid because nobody can agree whether the player is underleveled or overleveled. Pokémon fans are so braindead that when they see the secret endgame boss being 20 levels higher than the next strongest Trainer, they call it bad game design because they think they should also have a level 81 party. Red is SUPPOSED to be hard, you're not supposed to be at the same level as him, you have to overcome the level difference through skill and strategy (or actually make use of healing items). Oh yeah, and Pokémon fans absolutely never use healing items. They prefer the games to have mid-route healers, and poison even stopped affecting Pokémon outside of battle. Apparently using items like Potions and Antidotes is bad game design.

>>7717489
could somebody concisely sumarize what was added/removed for each gen? i only played up to gold/silver

>>7725801
They have nothing to do with each other, though.

>>7725852
>Oh yeah, and Pokémon fans absolutely never use healing items. They prefer the games to have mid-route healers, and poison even stopped affecting Pokémon outside of battle. Apparently using items like Potions and Antidotes is bad game design.
That is more like a failure of pokemon design. There is no drawback if your pokemon die, no failure/game over state. It would be way better if every pokemon had a number of "available deaths" and after that number he leaves you forever for letting him die so many times, for example.

>>7725886
>Gen 2
Weather
Steel + Dark typings
Hazards
Day night cycle
Special Split
Rematches
Genders
Breeding
Custom Pokeballs
Equippable items
Shiny pokemon
Battle Facility

>Gen 3
Abilities
Natures
Double battles
Upgraded pc storage system
Contests
IV system

>Gen 4
Phys/Spec split(!!!)
Wifi functionality
Limitless item bag

>Gen 5
Triple Battles
Infinite TMs
Hidden Abilities

>Gen 6
Fully 3D graphics
PSS (best online features in the series)
Pokemon Amie
Horde encounters (best EV training method in the series)
Drastically improved breeding mechanics
Character customization
PR videos
Fairy-type
Mega Evolution
Super Training
Riding Pokemon in the overworld

>Gen 7
Z moves
Regional Variants
Removal of HMs
completely revamping the way the story goes on (no more 8 gyms that had been a staple since the beginning).


>Gen 8
Dynamax/Gigantamax (best mechanic since phys/spec split)
Wild Area
Raid battles
Online Ranked
Being able to change natures.
Being able to pass egg moves without having to ditch your Pokemon.
Being able to use 26 vitamins for one stat rather than 10.
Being able to relearn moves for free instead of Luvdisc grinding.
Being able to access the PC anywhere and always being able to look through the PC for prompts that ask to select a Pokemon.
various other QoL additions

>>7725917
Both are jarpigs with collectable creatures.

>>7711593
I unironically agree.
The only thing that might come close is Gen 2 when you could walk around school all day wearing your Pokemon Pikachu 2 pedometer then hook that lil nigga up to your GBC to get mystery gifts. Zoomers were literally born without souls. The world is full, faggots.

>>7725852
>Oh yeah, and Pokémon fans absolutely never use healing items. They prefer the games to have mid-route healers, and poison even stopped affecting Pokémon outside of battle. Apparently using items like Potions and Antidotes is bad game design.
This is true, real pokemon players walk back to the pokemon center every time because it's free.

>>7726094
>has both the pokewalker and 2 zones of gen 2 and yellows pokemon walking behind you
heh, nothing personal, kiddo

>>7711593
I had yellow and it wasn't that great
For whatever reason pikachu was always fucking mad at me
I couldn't get rid of him and store him like any other pokemon since he REFUSED to get in the box
I liked pidgey more, but I always had to have fucking pikachu with me

>>7726213
I think your copy was broken. Pikachu should be able to be boxed no problem.

>>7726201
I think every boomer on this board can agree that HGSS and the Pokewalker are based. The only instance of basedness you’ll find after gen 2.

>>7711593
why would a romhack of the original pokemon be the "peak"

you can't even evolve pikachu in this version

>>7725920
>There is no drawback if your pokemon die, no failure/game over state.
The drawback is not being able to use that Pokemon, and generally in Pokemon, any area you're in is themed around a certain type, or just has a few native Pokemon often elementally themed, so usually one of your Pokemon is going to be much more useful than the rest in any given dungeon, route, or gym, so if that Pokemon dies you can be fucked

Of course, these are relatively easy games so It's never that huge of a problem to revive them somehow, but that's still an inconvenience

>>7712313
Magmar butt head

>>7725846
>johtoddlers are vile chuds
Not surprised

>>>/vp/

Did ANYBODY ever get surf pikachu?

I'm on R2 on stadium, Prime Cup Ultra Ball, only one cup away from getting to the part where I unlock it.

please hold me

>>7725846
>Furnazi

>>7725917
both are babby's first JRPG

>>7727192
that's clearly a romhack of Gen 3 games
what are chuds?

>>7717260
The move is considerably weaker in gen1 and flying is basically a useless STAB type for a fire type pokemon. Slash already deals plenty of neutrally effective damage with the broken crit mechanics of gen1.

>>7716396
Dang, they should bring back that flame seal, say it swims in lava or something. That's badass looking.

>>7720118
>Watch this video of a cucked manchild for 20 minutes. If a faggot like this is on your side then you low IQ and wrong

>>7727230
oh, did you miss the news, anon? Surf is now apparently part of his basic moveset!

>>7727230
My friend had a gameshark and used a code to give my Pikachu surf. Except it changed all four moves to surf.
I could have traded it to a Gen 2 game and fixed it, but I thought it wouldn't follow you around anymore if you did that so I never did. At least I got to play the minigame.

>>7727570
idk, 70 base power is not bad, and it's a good weapon against fighting pokemon without having to switch out. Why not have a fire move/fly move/normal move/status move? Seems balanced to me.

>>7727654
>My friend had a gameshark and used a code to give my Pikachu surf. Except it changed all four moves to surf.
based

>>7712051
My man

>>7725929
>The game that fixed a lot of the tedium is also the worst kusoge of the franchise

Man I hate Gen 8.

>>7728580
Gen 1 is still the worst for being such a bugfest, Gen 2 was also terrible for the level curve and Johto being so small and boring with too many Johtomons not present

>>7725846
What the fuck, I love Pokémon Clover now

>>7725846
I miss when being edgy wasn’t considered a hate crime.

>>7727672
>not having 4 fire moves

>>7725929
when you put it like that, gen 8 sounds based
too bad they didn't do anything about IVs

>>7725846
Stop shilling your racist romhack, chud

>>7712168
Agree, having access to all starters + pikachu really makes it feel shitty catching/using other pokemon

>>7731352
I bet you’ve never boxed a starter before, scrub.

>>7718972
Online battling was not until Gen 4. In Gen 2 you battled by physically plugging your gameboy into another gameboy or uploading both teams to Stadium.

>>7727570
You learn fly so you can fly. Charizard exists to be a HM Slave.

>>7731520
Japan had a mobile phone connection that let you battle online.

>>7731685
We don’t live in Japan.

>>7725929
Gen8 is essentially GameFreak stripping away almost every bit of RNG from Pokemon breeding so that they can get more people playing in online tournaments.

>>7731805
Which is how it should have been from the beginning.

>>7731292
I didn't make it lmao
>chud
Not baste and dial 8

>>7731520
>>7731778
It existed in Gen II first. Gen IV was the full implementation of a lot of the features that Gen II introduced and that Gen III forgot. It's like how just because the first games were Red and Blue internationally, that doesn't change that the first games are Red and Green.

I remember reading in an interview with Game Informer a few years back that Masuda had Diamond and Pearl in mind as early as Gold and Silver's development. The regions used in GS, RS, and DP (Kansai/Johto, Kyushu/Hoenn, Hokkaido/Sinnoh) were all major locations in the 1997 GS Spaceworld demo, but they were called West, South, and North. Kanto corresponded to the unmentioned East. But it's neat how Game Freak already held significance for these locations considering they all have the same naming theme. But Masuda's plan as GS released was making Ruby and Sapphire on the upcoming GBA, then Kanto remakes, and then Diamond and Pearl. He even said that the names Diamond and Pearl relied on getting the trademarks for Ruby and Sapphire, and he wanted them to be the ultimate games even at that point.

>>7711593
Loved this game as a kid and even made the effort to unlock surfing pikachu. Yet- fuck you motherfucker silver/gold/crystal are the peak of the series. They ooze "soul" because when they started developing those games, the didn't know how popular it was starting to become, they didn't know if they would get to make another one so they poured everything they could into it in the time they had.

>>7730019
Adulthood is realizing that not all the people playing pretend with you were playing pretend.

>>7732320
and that's a good thing!

>>7732398
Go away, chud.

>>7712306
I actually really like the sprites for Golbat, Gastly, and Exeggutor.

>>7720076
I like a lot of the battle mechanica Gen I has. Leech Seed+Toxic, Hyper Beam not recharging on KO, base speed influencing crits, crits on multi-hit moves means multi-crit, etc.

>>7722191
Every game has bugs, you fucking retard. Exploiting bugs is different than being subject to them. You can clone items/pokemon in Gen 2 so easily that you'd have to be retarded not to. This is not something most people would experience normally during a playthrough, but could easily trigger whenever they so choose.

>>7714678
>flying type
yeah ok faggot.

>>7712306
Red and Blue had the best Tentacruel sprite. Period.
A lot of the sprites are janky but the ones that look good look really good. The sprites in the later games look too sterile and lack any personality.

>>7714678
What the fuck does that even mean?

>>7725929
Curious, but are there mods that include these QoL changes to old games? Like Gen I, II or Gen III remakes.

>>7733540
I don’t know about Gen I and II, but Gen III has Emerald Final. Fantastic ROMhack that adds a lot of QoL improvements from the later games, and even a few things they removed from Gen II like the the day and night cycle.

https://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=410480

>>7733540
>Hack makes all Pokemon available without trading
>Pokemon that requires trading to evolve are changed to level-up or stone triggers
For some reason, I can't stand hacks that do this, but at the same time I understand why and it drives me crazy.

To me, Throwback for FireRed has the best solution. You simply give the Pokemon to Bill and he'll run it through his transporter to evolve it.

>>7720295
This sounds like boomer cope, and I'm saying that as a genwunner.

>>7712306
How is Vulpix or Vaporeon not accurate?

>>7725852
>Also the level curve argument is so stupid because nobody can agree whether the player is underleveled or overleveled.
I've noticed that too. The levels in-game always seemed fine to me.

>>7714453
So sprites and all 3 starters are the only important features.

A lot of Pokemon have literally never looked as good as they did in Yellow ever again afterward. I'm not trying to praise the game, I just think that's depressing as fuck given how much things should have improved.

>>7735395
I actually think the exact opposite and hate how Yellow looks. My standard for quality is Gold and Silver, but there are some good ones in Gen I (ie. RG Mewtwo) that are clearly by the same sprite artist (presumably Ken Sugimori).

>>7735392
Yes.

>>7725886

>>7735395
Got some examples? I think sprites peaked with GSC for pretty much every sprite, I'm wondering what Yellow sprites you consider the best in the entire series.

>>7736028
Charizard’s sprite in GSC sucked.

>>7712313
that haunter is a real beaut.

>>7711593
The best Pokemon gen, just like the best console gen, was 6th gen.

>>7725846
>CW
The fuck is a CW? I know what a TW is but what's a CW?

>>7711593
agree

>>7736693
The Battle Frontier is great, but the rest of gen 3 isn’t. Dunno. Too much water.

>>7735598
BW2 are the best Pokemon games by far

>>7734932
Vulpix's face is completely off and Vaporeon has a mowhawk and fins on its legs

>>7737203
this artwork helps illustrate how off the R/G/B sprite design for Vaporeon is, check out that backsprite too

>>7737205
I'm pretty sure the sprites were designed first and Sugimori created artwork based on them, sometimes redesigning Pokemon as he went.

>>7720118
why should i consider anything this zoomer has to say when his first pokemon game was platinum? sorry faggot gen 2 was the peak of the series, i guess you had to be there

>>7738428
>can’t debunk his argument so goes for personal attacks

>>7738428
>Wahh, he doesn’t have nostalgia blinding him from the game’s obvious flaws! Wahhh!

>>7712815
as someone who lived it, i can tell you that no many of us plowed through gold/silver like red/blue. It was only a year but imagine 150-ing red/blue like 6 times and having tons of link battled over 10 months. you weren't burnt out on that shit even at 10 years old.

>>7739514
*were burnt out

>>7738428
>gen 2 was the peak of the series, i guess you had to be there
In other words, you need nostalgia to enjoy it, because the games don't actually stand on their own merits at all.

>>7739558
>>7739290
>>7739062
But most of what he said wasn't even valid criticism. It was just "this is shit, shit, that is shit", and of what little was a genuine criticism was based on looking back at the games through current day expectations. Why would gen 2 have ALL the new pokemon that are supposedly rare and new upfront and center in johto? That would defeat the entire point of making them rare. At this point in the series pokemon weren't region based with "hoen pokemon" and "sinnoh pokemon" lore wise.
And why are some of his criticisms that the new pokemon aren't strong battlers? What a dumb as fuck zero forethought take. Setting the precedent that each gens new addition of pokemon need to all be more powerful compared to the last is how you end up with the stupid as hell powercreep we see in more recent gens, AND it's not even an """issue""" unique to gen 2. I don't think a single comment he had in that entire clikbait video was a gen 2 criticism, it was just a general Pokemon franchise problems video. Missed opportunities? Weak Pokemon? Singlestage/Garbage Evos? Pokemon that are similar if not identical? It's all problems found in literally every other generation.
His story stake is trash also, the "You are the chosen one to stop the badguys from destroying the world!" narrative is a plague on pokemon. No longer are you a boy going out on a quest to become a pokemon master helping people as you go along like the first 2 gens. Now you're saving the world from maniacal organizations like the game isn't an adventure anymore, its a shitty hollywood movie. His criticisms are the exact lines of thinking that have lead to the fall of videogames as a whole lmao. A poor understanding of Gamemechanics, and dogshit opinions are not an argument.

Adopting the idea that each generation needs to be its own separate thing rather than an addition on the previous is probably one of if not THEE biggest misstep Gamefreak made with the Pokemon franchise.

>>7739719
tl;dr keep seething boomer

>>7716675
>>7717225
concept art babbies btfo

>>7720118
>click to random section of video
>"FUCK."
>close tab

>>7739721
>>7739062
(you)

>>7739742
lick my scrotum

>>7711593
123456 were better than 9101112134 and I dare anyone to say otherwise.

>>7739719
>Why would gen 2 have ALL the new pokemon that are supposedly rare and new upfront and center in johto? That would defeat the entire point of making them rare.
They shouldn't be rare because it's boring to people who played Red and Blue for hours and hours prior. When Sentret appears in a single location but you're drowning in Rattatas from game start to game end, that's fucked up. It makes the game obnoxiously repetitive. Look at the climb up Bell Tower-- unless you're playing at night, it's NOTHING but Rattata. If you're lucky to be playing at night, wow, now you get Gastly instead (with bonus Rattata). I get it though, the idea of pokemon being rare gives a player an incentive to want to hunt it down-- Gotta Catch 'em All and all that. But GS actively hates its own pokemon at every turn, and it's why every Johto team is the same damn thing.

>>7739762
>They shouldn't be rare because it's boring to people who played Red and Blue for hours and hours prior.

I still argue that this is only from the perspective of someone today looking back with the expectation that new pokemon are the goal, rather than an addition. At the time nobody had this issue, because nobody was expecting the new pokemon to be the point. It was like playing gen 1 with better graphics/music with added moves, but now you might occasionally run into that new pokemon. The point wasn't to make a team of all the new pokemon.

>>7739770
>new pokemon are the goal
always has been

>>7739770
>The point wasn’t that it was a new game or anything
>It’s the same game with a shiny new coat of paint
This sounds incredibly retarded.

>>7720076
The majority of those only matter if you're a competitive player.

Do I need to remind you that competitive pokémon player are laughed at more than smash bros ones?

>>7739762
The problem isn't just the random encounters, it's all the trainer tables.

By the end of a regular game in gen 2, the majority of new mons still haven't even appeared as "seen".
Meaning not even trainers used them. They could have had trainers use the new mons to spice things up and as a tease, like you get to see the mon, you get to fight it, but you have no idea where to catch it.
But no.

Instead most of it is cryptic bullshit like go into this one room of this one cave at this precise hour of the day; AND the mon actually runs away if you're lucky enough to encounter it.

Oh yeah, and turns out there is supposed to be a special ball that catch the ones that run away, except it's glitched and it doesn't work.

What a shitload of fuck.

>>7739861
Bur it wasn't the same game because it added more functionality than any game prior or since. Ball types, 2 new pokemon types, fixing gen 1's flubbed type chart, daynight cycle, calendar events, breeding etc.

why are zoomers so retarded?

>>7739964
Then it wasn’t anything like playing gen 1 at all you colossal retard.

>>7739973
With respect to the pokemon encounter expectations it was, with respect to game mechanics it was a new and improved experience. What is even your argument here?

Stop being retarded right this instant.

>>7739927
>turns out there is supposed to be a special ball that catch the ones that run away, except it's glitched and it doesn't work.
the fuck are you talking about? The GS ball?

>>7740154
Sadly the glorious days of namefagging are long gone. Lose the name and I'll tell you, or learn to google.

>>7739995
Okay I’m sorry.

>>7739558
>In other words, you need nostalgia to enjoy it
there is literally no reason why you should dislike gen 2 if you enjoyed the first gen. and i don't want to hear any crap about why it supposedly sucks from a competitive standpoint because when you're 12 years old (the demographic this series is targeted towards) none of that shit matters

>>7720076
everybody who was born when gen1 games were out did not give a single fuck about any of these

For me the reach is gen2, 250ish pokemon was the ideal number for me, nevermind the fact quite a few pokemon were related to gen1 versions in evolutions etc.
I cannot move past gen2, ruby-sapphire had far more new pokemon that I couldn't fit my brain into. And by mid-late 2000s it was waay too many.

Maybe if they added 20-50 per generation, and have it around 300-400 by now I would be okay but I stopped playing pokemangothepoll after gen3. I still like gen1 and gen2

>>7739927
>Instead most of it is cryptic bullshit like go into this one room of this one cave at this precise hour of the day; AND the mon actually runs away if you're lucky enough to encounter it
Which mons are you referring to? I honestly don't remember it being like this so I'm curious.

>>7739927
The only new Pokemon who run away are Unown, Heracross, Snubbull, Delibird, Phanpy, Teddiursa, Quagsire. Of those Heracross is the only one that's bullshit to encounter.

>>7711593
Eh?! I think Gen 2 was the peak, but I could see why no one would care anymore after Pokémon Yellow.

>>7741232
He's basically talking about heracross. It's the only really hard pokemon to catch, but it's the only good bug pokemon and a decent fighting one at that so it's probably likely that you really do want to catch it, hence the frustration. It involved headbutting trees to find it, I think the location changed every hour or so. But cryptic mons got even worse in the later generations. Look up munchlax's encounter method.

That said, I don't think there are that many Gen II pokemon that are locked away until the end of the game? Some of the most memorable gen II pokemon that I can think of were available right at the very beginning before half of johto was over: mareep, chinchou, hoothoot, sentret, ledyba, spinarak, marill, sudowoodo, smeargle, etc, then there's all the new evolutions of older pokemon and etc. I've never actually heard this complaint before that there are too few johtomons and that they're all left at the end of the game. Which ones? Sneasel? I feel like you all would be complaining if there weren't any new pokemon to be discovered in the end game. There's always something to nitpick with you guys.

>>7741324
Feebas is another example of later gen pure bullshit encounters.

I feel pretty much the same way you do about Johto mon distribution. Most people are talking specifically about Murkrow (Celadon City), Slugma (Cycling Road), Sneasel (Mount Silver), and Larvitar (Silver Cave). Crystal improved it a bit by putting Sneasel in Ice Path and Larvitar as a Celadon Game Corner prize (and at level 40 so it evolves quickly). But then people whine about Mareep.

>>7741346
Oh yeah, and Misdreavus which is also only in Silver Cave.

One thing about Pokemon Yellow that has always bugged me: Why would you create an "improved" version of G1 but force the starter to be electric type? You HAVE to grind a normal-type Pokemon to beat the first boss. It's boring.

>>7741559
There are other options. You can catch Nidoran and teach it Double Kick, or you can raise a Butterfree and Confusion him to death.

Too bad you can't turn on the sprinklers.

>>7741559
I'm so close to getting surf pikachu on my stadium cart, I can't wait to play Brock for the first time with surf on a level 5 pikachu.

>>7741559
I was a mankey second slot yellow player

>>7711593
>>>/vp/

>>7736706
TW has undergone Orwellian leftists narrative changing, TW is offense, so now its CW.

Its one of those things that help leftists slowly gain power because normalfags and apolitical types get blindsided by their narrative language hijacking.

>>7720118
>Your opinion aligns with a genetically inferior leftists manchild

You self-defeated your own argument. Good job.

>>7725846
Why does every neo-liberal on Twitter sound the same? Bunch of preachy cunts.

>>7741601
>>7741631
Don't try to ask starterdrones to raise other pokemon.

>>7725852
>level curve
The player is overleveled for much of the game. Like you said, Red is a post-game superboss and is supposed to have a higher level team. The real problem is the entire middle of Johto, as well as the Kanto Gym Leaders up to Blue. I get what they were going for with the non-linearity, but there are better ways to do it (Gen 1 pulled it off way better, in my opinion). I mean, the final Team Rocket Executive has two NFE Pokemon on his team and Bite as the strongest move on his ace. It leads to some really anti-climactic boss fights until you get to the E4, which is followed by seven bosses that are weaker than Lance, who you already beat.

It's for that reason that I can't exactly blame players for not understanding that you're meant to use strategy to beat Red, because the rest of the game doesn't ask you to do that at all.

>>7739719
>And why are some of his criticisms that the new pokemon aren't strong battlers?
This criticism is bullshit, though. As far as I can tell, it stems from the fact that a lot of the new Pokemon in Gen 2 were more defensive, and that's not exactly a hard rule with strong attackers like Tyranitar, Scizor, and Heracross introduced. If we're looking at it purely from the perspective of competitive viability, Gen 2 Pokemon made up around 40% of OU, which is about what you'd expect.

>>7741346
I'm of two minds when it comes to Pokemon like Feebas. On the one hand, it's clearly fucking retarded. On the other hand, I seriously can't begin to tell you how ecstatic my stupid baby self was when I fished one up before school one morning. I guess you'd want to strike a balance, though.

>>7714517
I would

>>7711593
>>7711604
>>7720675
>>7722872
exceptionally based

>>7741559
It’s an RPG for babies why are you acting like it’s hard to beat Brock if your starter isn’t Squirtle or Bulbasaur

>>7716853
Gen II barely has any new Pokémon lmao

>>7739558
same can be said for GEN1.. nobody enjoys that shit if they're just picking it up now

>>7741601
You can also catch a mankey in the same place you can find a nidoran, and low kick Brock's pokemon to death.
>>7742584
Starterdrones just have to use a bit of strategy. If all you're doing is training Pikachu, by the time you make it to Brock it will actually have the moveset and stats to deal with his pokemon

>>7742743
>The player is overleveled for much of the game.
I've been on /vp/ where people have argued that you're underleveled too often and have to spend too much time grinding.

>>7711932
too much water

>>7743448
>hey Brock was so easy to beat
>I just held fast forward on my emulator and grinded my Ratatta to level 30 in five minutes, pfff, cakewalk

Shut up zoomer

>>7744053
>Thinking you need to be anywhere near level 30 to stomp Brock
I’m sorry you got filtered by an RPG for babies, anon.

>>7745364
>how DARE this game try to challenge me in the slightest
>if i can’t solo the game with my starter it’s shit. SHIT!!!!
starter babbies are a plague

>>7711593
chad take: pokemon is shit

>>7744053
>level 30
>Ratatta

>>7745442
>expecting a starterdrone to know the evolution levels of pokemon that aren't their starter

>>7745442
You realize you can stop a Pokemon from evolving, right zoom zoom?

>>7745465
>Uh-oh! I didn’t know Ratatta evolved before level 30... better cover my ass!
If someone’s grinding out levels for power, it would be dumb not to evolve Ratatta immediately.

>>7745505
Are you Chinese or just an autist?

>>7745510
What does that have to do with you not knowing when non-starter Pokémon evolve, anon?

Who and I emphasize this THE FUCK is going to keep a rattata past its evolution level?

>>7745523
The point is, you're autistically taking a post obviously not meant to be literal, literally. The lack of understanding humor and sarcasm is a trait among autists, as well as most non Americans, but especially Asians.

>>7745538
your point was retarded

>>7745538
There’s nothing really humorous about grinding a Ratatta to level 30. If you really wanted to be funny, you could have said something more outlandish like level 40 or 50. But if you were trying to make a joke, you should’ve pointed it out immediately. Instead you brought up how you can stop Pokémon from evolving. That seems more like something someone trying to cover their butt would say.

>>7745553
The point is that it doesn't matter, because the original point has nothing to do with Ratatta, it has to do with the fact that people playing these games NOW, likely on their computer, will have no challenge whatsoever in the game if they decide to cheat which is extremely easy simply by pushing a button to make grinding a non issue.

>>7745576
You could do that back then on pokemon stadium (and the sequel with gen II carts). Not actually a new experience.

>Brock's pokemon have atrociously low special stat so they get fucked up bad by special attacks
>smart strategy if you don't have Bulbasaur or Squirtle is to use Special Attacks
>Butterfree with Confusion is the most powerful option, but even resisted hits from Charmander's Ember will tear through them quick

>Nintendo Power tells Charmander mouthbreathers to raise a Pikachu and level it until it learns Quick Attack for the REAL strategy

hahahahahaha

>>7745592
They were real retards, seriously. Nobody I knew took the anime or any other official product's advice worth anything.

>>7745576
There’s never been any challenge to these games except for when you were a young RPGlet who didn’t know how to strategize. Brock’s gym is a non-issue because anyone half-decent at RPGs won’t be dumb enough try to solo a Rock-type gym with an electric mouse. You don’t need to grind. It doesn’t take much effort to get a Nidorino, Butterfree or Mankey that will absolutely curb stomp Brock.

>>7745630
I never had an issue with Brock, because not only was I not a Chartard I also had the official strategy guide. But many kids didn't, many kids didn't even know Pikachu was in Viridian, I was basically a rock star because I had Pikachu and nobody else in my circle did. Some kids would never find a Mankey, and many people wouldn't catch bug types because they seem weak AF at first.

It's not unreasonable to think many Charmander loving children had a tough time with Brock, and even Misty.

>>7745592
I first played pokemon when I was very young and could barely read. I thought rock types were weak to fire for a long time because ember actually did any damage to Brock's pokemon.

>>7745641
>not a Chartard
Based. Fuck that skinnyfat fire gecko.

>>7745592
The absolute fucking state. People paid money for this?

>>7745641
>many people wouldn't catch bug types because they seem weak AF at first.
People who never had a Butterfly don't know how easy it was to caught pokemon after you put them to sleep.

>>7745592
>>7745607
>>7747481
I never personally owned a guide but I still liked looking at them when some kid would bring them into school to find out about the existence of any rare Pokemon i might have missed and to look at the artwork. Funny looking back now and seeing the rather questionable advice which I skipped over since I had already beaten the game back then

>>7747539
This thing was very helpful to me as a kid, not necessarily for battle strategies or anything like that, but because it had full maps of every cave/dungeon and told you what each item was, making them much less intimidating as a small kid and also less annoying to get through. Plus yeah, said where you could find any Pokemon which was helpful for getting all of your favorites and had all the details about their movesets and evolutions so you'd know the right time to evolve or not evolve them to get the best moves.

>>7744053
when i was a kid i would routinely beat brock with a charmander (wow his pokes have shit special. just hit him with ember and switch to stat modifiers when he bides) or a butterfree with confusion. it was easy if you werent retarded

>>7720076
Half of those aren't even bugs, faggot

>>7747727
Cope

>>7720076
>Counter only works on normal/fighting type moves
Ohhh my god the game is fucking unplayable! How did they not notice this serious bug??

>>7747740
Cope with what? I'm not the one who spent 9000 making a bullshit infographic and telling everyone who responds to me too cope

>>7747753
9000 hours*

>>7715249
>pic is of Kiawe’s Charizard

>>7747610
>had all the details about their movesets and evolutions so you'd know the right time to evolve or not evolve them to get the best moves
That's a good point, now that you mention it I think I might have found out about some decent moves that could be missable back then

>>7711604
>>7720675
>>7722872
Why yes, I'm a genwunner. How could you tell?

>>7720076
Over half of these don't seem like bugs to me, also no one cared back then and many of these things go unnoticed, too or can be used to do fun stuff. You weren't even around back then probably and only care because you suffer from autism.

>>7745592
The BROCK wants to fight!

>>7750123
Those "Problem with [insert gen I didn't grow up with]" images are just stupid. Gen 1 pokemon has a lot of stupid oversights, bad design and incomprehensible glitches but they still managed to make fun games out of it.

>>7750152
bro he's gonna tell you to cope and call you a boomer for this post

>>7711593
>>7711604
>>7720675
>>7722872
>>7742806
>>7750107

>>7750161
that's just half of the replies on 4chan anyway I don't care

>>7750123
I'll give them that hyper beam's recharge turn being cancelled out if you KO a Pokemon with it is kind of easily abusable, since everything is capable of learning the move. Then again, you can get through the entire game with just your starter so it's not like the game is insanely challenging to begin with.

>>7718924
28yo here too and can confirm. Got Red at 6yo, then Silver, Gold, Crystal and Sapphire when they came out. Played Emerald on an emulator at school and then at home when we got a PC with XP on it.
He's probably underage.

>>7727156
flamin' paizuri with those booba

>>7750152
it only seemed good to people who played it back then because there was nothing else like it, today those games aren't just worse than Gen 3-5's titles, they're outright awful games by any standard

>>7712313
Perfect time to ask. What is Geodude here? Where are its eyes?

>>7711593
Blue Red Green or Yellow, I love them both!

>>7750767
No, lots of us played it pretty late to the punch. I played RBY for the first time when Gen 4 was out, and I liked it a lot and thought it was quite far ahead for its time.

I’m replaying Crystal right now and it is easily the peak of the series. BW2 are better games but Gen 2 was the best Pokémon experience.

>>7751219
In the end BW2 is just fifth generation pokemon. It doesn't have the atmosphere or the heart that the two first generations did no matter how hard it tries.

>>7752249
Yeah but it actually has good gameplay instead of meaningless buzzwords fueled by nostalgia.

>pokemon before XY
>good

haha good joke, good joke

>>7754013
X and Y were genuinely when Pokémon started becoming good again.

>>7752249
>>7753402
>>7754013
>>7754434
Too many bait posts in a row I need to walk away from this thread

>>7711932
Not enough trumpets

>>7743930
kek

>Ken Sugimori failed to capture what was represented by the sprite
His designs became instant classics while no one gives a shit about the original sprites, I'd hardly call that a fail.

>>7737635
This is true, it's been discussed many times with various Pokemon artists in interviews.
Drawings were made to get sort of a general idea to what the creature design should look like overall.
Then using that as a base, they went forward with making sprites. After about 500 sprites were made, they picked 130 of them. The remaining 21 were made on the spot. After designs were finalized, official artwork was then made.

>>7712428
>>7712795
>pocket monsters
>kid in the ad stores the monsters in his pocket
K I N O

>>7712815
Arguably correct.
That South Park episode hit close to home. Many regions IRL actually campaigned to ban Pokemon by saying it was demonic. Shit was insane, if you told this to a modern 12 year old kid they wouldn't believe you.

>>7758386
Ken Sugimori worked on a good number of Gen I sprites, specifically the ones that look really good like Mewtwo. He uses a dithering shading effect that the other sprite artists don't use, though some of his early sprites like Rhydon and other kaiju-based ones are considerably chunkier in appearance and don't make as much use of the dithering. But it's a lot more apparent in Gen II's Pokémon sprites

>>7712515
let millenials got grow up with all of gen 1-3, which saw the most development in terms of the gameplay. gen 1 was barebones>gen 2 introuced shinies, breeding, roaming legendaries, 2 region game, pokegear, item categories, day/night, and more > gen 3 introducesnatures, abilities, battle facilities, competitive held items, contests, etc. literally everything introduced gen 4 onward was just extra fluff on top of everything pokemon needs to be a good game. which is why you can romhack any game gen 1-3 and potentially make a game just as worthwhile as anything new GF shits out. I thought megas were cool though, albeit just the same thing as adding a regular evolution to an incomplete or nonexistant evolution line in most cases.

>>7716675
We literally know for a fact that all the original 150 were sprites first.

>>7737193
And by Gen 11, people are going to say the same thing about SWSH, because everyone fucking HATED Gen 5 for the longest time.

>>7751219
>I’m replaying Crystal right now and it is easily the peak of the series.

Can't catch Vulpix so it can't be the best.

>>7759630
Gen 4 saw the biggest overhaul of the battle system with the physical/special split, that was huge, in all generations before you had pokemon that were cucked with high physical stats but all special moves or vice versa

Shutup yellow fag, gold and silver were peak.

>>7752249
BW2 has more heart than anything they ever made, which was WHY after pokeboomers hated gen 5 for lack of pandering, Gamefreak completely checked-out and stopped working on making complete or satisfying games afterward and just made hollow shells that only do well at pandering. Gen 5 was so full of effort that it taught them effort doesn't pay off.

>>7759884
They hated B/W specifically for lack of pandering, namely by blocking all access to non-Unova Pokemon until post-game. Then B2/W2 had them all over because GameFreak caved to the people who couldn't live without their Pikachus and Charizards, and it's only gotten worse since.

>>7760034
I mean to be fair, part of the appeal of Pokemon has always been that you have a custom team of your favorite monsters.....what good is the series if you can't actually have your favorites? Not saying new Pokemon shouldn't be emphasized, but you should always have the option to be an oldfag with at least some of your favorites, somehow.

>>7727192
>>7732320
>>7732664
Consider suicide manchild.

>>7760123
Nice projection, chud.

>>7760162
>chud
Wrong site you humongous faggotroon.

>>7760180
>Man, those sites like Reddit are shit—nothing but a hive mind echo chamber!
>Fuck outta 4chan, cunt! We only allow alt-right opinions here!
Cute.

>>7760358
>I use troon language off resetera
>but I totally belong here you sekkkrit clubfags are wrong!
Neck yourself.

>>7760362
I like it here. Keep seething, chud.

>>7760372
Kill yourself.

>>7712313
machoke looks retarded but that arcanine sprite is top tier

>>7760397
Nah.

>>7759630
Gen 2 introduced competitive held items

>>7761451
Also battle facilities with the Battle Tower in Crystal