/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7736507
Looks good. I like pre-rendered backgrounds and fixed camera perspectives in that game and others like it.

>>7736515
The gameplay really makes it awkward, and I bet you never played Grim Fandango.

>>7736507
I'd love to see a pre-rendered game with today's hardware.

>>7736523
I liked Grim Fandango fine. Different sort of game, though.

>>7736524
Shit would be amazing but most modern games are crap.

>>7736524
Song of Horror is a modern horror game that uses fixed angles and it's really good. The backgrounds are not prerendered though, if I recall correctly. The devs use the fixed angles to put the occasional scare into the backgrounds.

That's how a remake is made. Preserving the game's identity is a must.

"REmake proves gamers will put up with mediocre gameplay if the art is good." - Shigeru Miyamoto

>>7736686
The gameplay in REmake 1 is peak survival horror

because the environments would look much worse of they were rendered

>>7736507
Zoomers like yourself are insufferable

>>7736626
Most games in general are crap.

>>7736507
not an argument that anyone ever makes, due to how stupid it is.

>>7737046
>how stupid it is.

you know the guy is stupid when he uses screenshots from the 2015 version to make claims on how the 2002 one looks

Code Veronica looks like a cartoon compared to REmake because of the lack of prerendered backgrounds.

>>7736507
Why not?
Better graphics at virtually no cost
More polygons for characters and props
Better lighting for characters and props
The only con is the controls but since it's a remake of a game that people loved and are familiar with it isn't a real biggie

>>7736523
wrong on both counts, idiot

>>7737649
the controls have nothing to do with whether the environment is 2D or 3D

>>7737662
That's not my point you'll have to use tank controls if you want to have any semblance of consistency when playing with fixed-camera angles.

Fixed camera horror games might have survived if they refined and developed full 3D backgrounds like CV and Outbreak used. Static pre-rendered backgrounds were already considered archaic by the time Remake and Zero came out.

>>7736507
Warum? DIE SEELE

>>7736507
They were thinking they were going to make something timeless and kino.

>>7736524
I wonder if it would start to appear really weird since you can basically render photographic levels ahead of time if you wish. The characters might clash.
I think the most fun version of that is still hand-drawn backgrounds which are not pre-rendered in a sense, but are the same idea of having a background that is an asset shown on screen rather than rendered by the hardware.

>>7737671
The Dreamcast was too weak to do what Code Veronica set out to do any justice. You got dynamic camera angles but there was nothing to show with them and the visuals were bland and muddy.

>>7736507
Because pre-rendered backgrounds have soul and 3D environments don't. Deswegen!

Also OG > REmake

The backgrounds in Remake are fucking beautiful, peak design, with the lighting and moving stuff I remember every single one of them.
Code a veronica is so stale, every time I replay it I forget whole rooms or sections because shit 3d.

>>7737553
Code Veronica is cartoony

>>7736507
Iirc, they thought about doing real-time backgrounds for the 2002make, but spent a year-and-a-half researching and experimenting with the GameCube hardware, and found that pre-rendered backgrounds was the better option.

>>7738287
Genau

>>7736740
Maybe not. Gamecube could do a lot in small environments of RE and with constant door loads. Plus, if it was 3D, we'd be able to do proper 16:9 and scale things in many ways, improve some things significantly in remasters and so on. In the end 2D was a nice choice for the time, but time has proven this a relic of the time.

>>7738437
Outbreak upscales really nicely doesn't it? That was just a year or so later on PS2, so I don't see why the Gamecube couldn't pull off the same kind of performance.

the pre rendered backgrounds in remake combined with the lighting makes it look moody and gorgeous, even at the gamecube's best it wouldn't have ended up anywhere near as good trying to render 3d backgrounds

>>7738287
Der Mann kriegt es.

>>7737649
How are the control a con.
They are pretty easy to use if you are not a brainlet.

>>7738437
>has proven this a relic of the time.
no its not. re0 looks better than most modern games. you need to get an eye exam and learn more about graphics

>>7738634
RE0 only looks good because enough data was preserved to recreate the backgrounds. REmake looks like shit at 16:9 and barely passable 4:3.

>>7738557
The controls are stiff, slow and badly animated. The original was fast and smooth, if a little less realistic. The controls aren't a con because they're hard to use; they're a con because they suck compared to literally every RE before and after.

REmake is an example of a game being favored because of its graphics and a lot of flaws being overlooked and outright denied.

>>7738650
My bad i thought you were just talking about tank control in general,i agree then because i preffer the original.

>>7738634
What he's saying is that the same look could be accomplished today in 3D. Which, while not entirely true, is close enough to be a vilid point.

Gamecube could only have graphics that nice because of pretendered backgrounds. While PS5 and XboxX could do it real time. That's what makes the graphics of the Gamecube REs a relic of their time. There would be less than no need to utilise prerendered backgrounds these days, for any reason.

>>7736648
I really liked Song of Horror. Got like 70% of the way through the first scenario before dropping it for a few months, which was a massive mistake since I ended up forgetting the mechanics and killing my last character right before the end of the chapter and I haven't felt the urge the replay the entire thing again.

>>7738650
It also abandoned CV's mechanic where the knife rebounded when it hit obstacles. It was a great way to balance out a more powerful knife and I don't know why they didn't keep it.

>>7738663
>PS5 and XboxX could do it real time
thats where youre wrong. they cant. again. go get an eye exam and learn about graphics. you probably think we've reached the level of CGI movies

>>7738740
>It also abandoned CV's mechanic where the knife rebounded when it hit obstacles

That's RE2's mechanic not CV

>>7736523
>The gameplay really makes it awkward
if you're retarded, you might have some issues, yes.

>>7738769
Castle Dimitrescu looks much better than anything even in RE0. Be either stupid or a beccaposter. Don't spoil best girl.