/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7723779
The replay value is completing on one credit, then playing for score.

>>7723779
>the appeal of these games
cute girls

>>7723779
nice feet

>>7723779
LOLI BAREFEET IN THE HOUSE TONIGHT
EVERYBODY JUST HAVE A GOOD TIME
ONE WHIFF GONNA MAKE YOU LOSE YOUR MIND
WE JUST WANT A...Loli footjob

Every day I'm jackin' it

(to the theme of Circus Afro) DA DA DA DA DA DA DA DA LOLI DA DA DA DA DA DA DA DA DA DA FOOTJOB LOLI FOOTJOB LOLI FOOTJOB BAREFEET LOLI CUNNY CUTE FEET

The replay value of arcade games is to do them better than last time.

Shmups in particular are kind of autistic because they suck at multiplayer (with notable exceptions like Twinkle Star Sprites) and have arcane scoring systems. But if you just play them for fun it's fine.

>>7723779
I have a much harder time with early raidens than bullet hells. The slow speed and the moderately fast bullets get me,also if you play with arcade settings using the checkpoints. The soundtracks for 2,3, and 4 are great.

For me it's Dimahoo.

>>7723779
Depends on the game. The replay value in Gradius, for example. can be how far you go with no upgrade, without upgrading speed, trying to recover in hard places and so on.

You're credit feeding. You are not playing as they were intended. Infinite credits were added in the ports because game journalists complained.

>>7724034
>Dimahoo
Good shit

>>7723823
fpbp

>>7723779
Psikyo shmups aren't about reflexes, it's about figuring out where the safespots are in the extremely fast patterns and good positioning so you don't get fucked. It's basically the same kind of puzzle solving as R-Type's mazes.

>>7724153
depends what you mean by reflex
Gunbird 2 does need some very quick and precise movements, highly dexterous even if they are memorized and anticipated.

>guwange is a run n' gun
sure but so what?
I'm not telling anyone they include anything, I'm telling the poster above that his perceived narrow interest is caused by his narrow definition.

>>7724112
>>7723823

If you only care about true 1000x folded nipponese hardcore score attacks that's fine, but don't act like shmups are struggling when I can name X Y and Z recent shmups that have gained a following withot scoring 'tism

>>7724221
Shmups have been based around limited credits/lives since the beggining. Having them be morphed into something for casuals is not only killing it but ripping off it's face and wearing it as a mask.

There have been plenty of shmups that have been entry level while still maintaining limited continues and lives. If someone wants one all they need to do is ask.

>>7723859
>>7723835
Pretty based

What is your favourite scoring mechanic and why? Just a mechanic.

I personally like what you can do in the mushis, go point blank and collect the rain.

>>7724323
All time favorite is bullet reflecting. Only Takumi shooters (Giga Wing 1/2, Mars Matrix) seemed to really perfect it by making it feel really weighty and powerful. Play RefleX for the opposite feeling, you'll know what I mean.

Second place, and this is also hyper specific, is the Buzz system in Psyvariar series. It is practically the perfect risk/reward grazing system. And chaining level ups make the game endlessly repayable as you perfect and fine tune your routes thru the stages.

>>7723779
>the appeal of these games
Saying you 2ALL Strikers and then hiding when asked for proofs.


>>7724221
>>guwange is a run n' gun
Let's discuss one of my favourite games, Guwange.

I like Guwange. Guwange I like. I don't even know why. It has a spider kitty. It's kinda reasonable for beginners. Nothing of it seems memorable, but I dig it like it was a waifu or something.

When I pick the archer grill, I am at home. When I shoot through the very weeb setting, I feel like a boss.

What makes Guwange so special, /shooterg/?

Do you even like it? I hardly see it mentioned, but an anon just posted about it calling it a run n gun.

>>7724221
>don't act like shmups are struggling when I can name X Y and Z recent shmups that have gained a following withot scoring 'tism
what are you talking about? Take your meds

>>7724354
Highly based taste

>>7724373
Gun.Smoke is the superior autoscrolling run 'n gun.

Thank you based Chadcom.

Yeah I'm thinking we're back

>you know who disappears
>shmup discussion flourishes
Imagine my shock!

>>7724354
Gigs Wing is legit but fuck the trillion billion gazillion scoring digits

>>7724425
Can you honestly explain to me why you hate Cave? Is it just some autistic zoom-zoom contrarian thing to larp as a boomer?

>>7724454
29 year old Millennials hate Cave for killing the genre

>>7723823
fpbp

>>7724465
>Boomer hate cave
>Doubling down on this LARP
Ok Zoom Zoom, when you say "killed the genre" you must mean perfected it. And you just can't cope with the bar of competition being set so high.

>>7723779
Long games are not as good for replaying

>>7724454
It's honestly insecurity about the art style. Cave stopped with the industrial aesthetic and picked up Moeshit after they saw the success of touhou in 2007.

>>7724454
>arbitrary slowdowns because of shitty programming skills
>gimmicky scoring systems to compensate for the casualised survival
>is the jarpig secondary's that rarely plays shmups preferred shmup developer

Yep, I'm thinking CAVE is trash.

>>7724624
>gets called out or face 2-Alls
>spends all day shitting on Cave because its the most popular dev on shmups.system11
Ok Ric seethe, cope and dilate more

>>7724624
>>the jarpig secondary's that rarely plays shmups preferred shmup developer
you called?

>muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarpiggggggs
Ric becoming more and more a caricature of himself. The nervous breakdown is right around the corner.

>>7723779
>those hands on the right
god i wish that was me

>>7724574
Imagine being this retarded. What is the ESP series? Even Progear has moe/otaku aesthetics, as does DOJ--when it comes to their character/element doll design.

>>7725298
really dig how Progear's gunner affinity ranking doubles as a loli dating simulator

>>7725298
Anime style is different from moeshit. Notice the games went to crap precisely after the release of DOJ.

>>7725320
>yfw the goblin loli is objectively the strongest ship partner

>>7725298
Meanwhile, this is what they used to make before turning into pedophile otaku pandering. You can't deny the cultural shift.

>>7725342
>>7725298
This is a shmup thread not social commentary about Japan. What are you playing and where is the proof

>>7725407
You don't have a come back for that, huh?

>>7725342
And that's a good thing.

>>7725415
Kys pedonigger.

>>7725428
Not as long as I have cunny.

>>7725342
found the homo

>>7724373
yes guwange is based. even if the gameplay weren't solid (it is) it would succeed on the strength of its setting and enemy designs alone

Hey Natsume, I know you're lurking this thread...this better come out on PC you jap bastards!

>>7724323
I like simple scoring: kill enemies, collect medals (no fucking chaining), reveal secrets, maybe a boss milk here or there, reward me for NMNB, etc. Because this lets me play as if I'm doing survival but in a very optimized way.

I don't like weird gimmicks that you have to research in strategy guides to really figure out. Giga Wing is fine in the gimmick department because the shield mechanic and scoring are easy to grasp, but hard to master. That's how it should be.
I don't like big initial learning curves. That's why Garegga + Dimahoo scoring has no appeal to me. I don't like super strict DDP routing. I don't like sitting at the top of the screen point blanking everything like in Mushi/Futari games. I don't like switching modes and doing giant cancels like in Galuda 2 or DFK, etc. I don't like grazing because it feels wrong to hug bullets in a shooting game.

For Cave I would say the most appealing scoring is in Dangun Feveron and Esprade (despite the long boss milks).

>>7724574
lol

should I be on stick or pad if I'm being serious going for 1cc

>>7725759
All scoring systems boil down to memorizing spawns. Maybe not necessarily sitting at the top of the screen but all scoring is memorization.

>>7725951
got no problems with memorization itself, it depends what it takes to achieve it -- whether I find the process fun. The way you memorize a long DDP chain [or futari original spawns at the top of the screen] doesn't appeal to me. It's a type of trial and error that benefits greatly from copying replays carefully, step by step.

>>7726103
>doesn't appeal to me. It's a type of trial and error that benefits greatly from copying replays carefully, step by step.
*Which is unappealing and more importantly the self-discovery part of routing it on your own is even more unappealing imo*

>>7723779
I hate puzzle/maze levels in shmups. Seriously fuck that shit. I'm trying to work myself up to 1cc'ing Strikers 1945
>>7725943
holy shit. Maybe stick. Birth defect?

>>7725943
wtf my dude

>>7726150
>I'm trying to work myself up to 1cc'ing Strikers 1945
1cc first loop or full game? I'd say concentrate on later stages and bosses either way, 1-4 is p easy

>>7726218
>1cc first loop or full game?
just first loop for now. I'll be practicing on later stages for sure.

>>7725943
bruh

>tfw got almost 300 shmup osts in FLAC
>don't even listen to them

>>7726458
no point in having 300 OSTs, you only need 18 (each touhou)
doesn't get better than that, really

>>7726458
post torrent

>>7723779
envision the aroma

>>7725943
When are you invading Earth?

Thoughts on MushihimeTAMA lads?

>>7726531
cool and boobas

>>7726495
I didn't download them all from a singular torrent

>>7726553
Then make one

>>7726561
Nah, fuck shmuptrannys

>>7726562
post the 2ALLs

>>7726567
post ost collection

can't believe chum is sleeping with cee

>>7726458
>FLAC

>>7726603
>FLAC

why does this makes WAV/Apple fags seethe so much

>>7726603
FLAC is for archival purposes and can convert into any format you want including Opus, the current best lossy format. Don't tell me you are still using mp3's?

>>7726603
>>7726613
shmup thread not audiophile SHITE
wut u ply?

>>7726603
Hearing the difference now isn't the reason to encode to FLAC. FLAC uses lossless compression, while MP3 is 'lossy'. What this means is that for each year the MP3 sits on your hard drive, it will lose roughly 12kbps, assuming you have SATA - it's about 15kbps on IDE, but only 7kbps on SCSI, due to rotational velocidensity. You don't want to know how much worse it is on CD-ROM or other optical media.

I started collecting MP3s in about 2001, and if I try to play any of the tracks I downloaded back then, even the stuff I grabbed at 320kbps, they just sound like crap. The bass is terrible, the midrange…well don’t get me started. Some of those albums have degraded down to 32 or even 16kbps. FLAC rips from the same period still sound great, even if they weren’t stored correctly, in a cool, dry place. Seriously, stick to FLAC, you may not be able to hear the difference now, but in a year or two, you’ll be glad you did.

>>7726691
Dont ever fucking @ me again.

>>7726572
Chum only likes 2hu girls

for me it's gun ém ups

>>7725943
no wonder he couldn't get those 2Alls with those mitts

>>7725943
Ayy lmao

Thunder Dragon 2 needs a switch port asap

>>7726618
>>7726613
I know that retards, thing is: It's stupid too use FLAC for listening (which pretty much most people do with it)

Whats wrong with Einhander?

>>7728126
False advertising. It's impractical to play "Einhander" one-handed. I prefer shmups that use 2-3 buttons. Employing a flight stick, I can then easily grind routes without interrupting my masturbation schedule. It takes some adjustment, but the apparent imprecision can easily be compensated for with just a few months of practice.

>>7727193

>>7723835
definitely

>>7724631
nah, pretending to like 2poo doesn't net you that hardcore gamer street cred like pretending to like caveshit does.

>>7728545
ah, what would happen to my cred if I claimed I 2ALL'd DOJ?

>>7728560
it wouldn't matter, because /vr/'s cavecucks (read: jarpigs) won't share their shmup progress and are interested only in seething about real players like tardo.

>>7728560
Depends if you posted proof or just claimed it then ran away when asked for proof.

>>7723779
Damn that's some fat feet

>>7728560
nothing, every neet has. you need to pretend to have an asian gf if you want cavechad cred.

Thoughts on the M2 G-Darius compared to MAME?

>>7728919
avoid 3D, play 2D.

>>7728932
wat
It's a 2D game

>>7728919
a guy made a big comparison video here with all versions side-by-side:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLkNsLaajkI

It's pretty comprehensive. M2's version compares very favorably to the PCB. I never played the arcade version but it's a revelation compared to the PS1 port I was used to. I was able to beat G-Darius on the PS1 without dying but I don't think I can do that with this version.

Any games as perfect as Ikaruga out there? God damn I wish they'd put RSG and Gradius V on switch, I haven't played either of them ever and I don't want to play them emulated on PC because I wouldn't know when to stop tweaking them to get them working as intended.

>>7728936
double check the sprites

>>7729021
just gotta post the S2ALLs and you'll be fine

>Dude, what if... we took a Gradius boss but made it shittier?

Bravo, Triangle Service.

>>7729206
Gradius bosses aren't that special to begin with

>>7729206
Exzeal is Fujino scraping together his remaining shmup ideas... which weren't even that good to begin with. Also his fetish with wrist/thumb ruining joystick wiggle is worthy of the rope.

>>7724451
>>you know who disappears
who?

I wish to be the Marion.

>>7729832
some spanish guy

>>7729871
ain't no one missing him.

>>7726750
shock poopers and metal Slugs peak shmups

>>7729901
demon front has entered the chat.

>>7729912
that one is cool too

Taito > Team Shanghai > Treasure > Cave > Raizing > Psikyo > Irem

don't @ me nerds

i fucking love trigon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X84tQQSETlo

isn't "Team" Shanghai just one untalented guy who made games with ugly art to spread his shitty music?

>>7729951
no

>>7729951
it's the touhou guy yes, but the games are awesome and the music is the best in the genre

>>7729986
touhou is it's own genre, so yeah it's going to have the best touhou music by default.

>>7729986
shit only zoomers say

>>7730068
>>7729993
delusional

>>7730069
seething 2poo trans

>>7729947
it is quite fun but I never got far in it, unfortunately

>>7730197
hating on popular things does not make you an interesting person

2hu music fucking horrendous, I can see the appeal for the games but how shit your music taste has to be to enjoy ZUN music, it's a mistery to me.

>>7730365
based

>>7730365
>mistery
show curtosy

I admit touhou music and art sucks, yet I enjoy the games

>>7730365
what's the scoop on ric m8 ?

>>7729942
what's the matter, too scrubby to enjoy some memorizers?

>>7730826
yeah, i really gotta cut down on the blunts

>>7730826
>Aine
Scrubby ship.
Let's see those Psikyo 2 Alls then

>>7730839
I've ascended beyond Psikyo 2-ALL'ing. They are too boring to me now after clearing them years ago (no, I didn't save the replays back then, so stop asking anytime).

When did Dadshmups peak, and why did the genre start degenerating into tranmaku?

>>7730839
>Let's see those Psikyo 2 Alls then
Let it go.

Now that the dust has settled, can we all agree that leader of the scene Mark MSX's takedown of R-Type Final 2 was absolute ludo kino?

>>7731239
>ludo kino
It's kino to watch someone so thoroughly uneducated about the genre churn out constant 30 minute vlogs about them while getting all the facts wrong

>>7727193
kek

>>7725943
tfw you fall for the exzeal meme

>>7731461
kek x2

>>7725943
is that muscular dystrophy?

>>7725759
To be honest if a scoring system becomes too complicated I don't even want to try. Sometimes simple is better. Looking at all the ugly goofy shit in say, Battle Bakraid or Hellsinker, where you manage a hundred different factors. It's complex just to be complex.

I think gimmick shooters are better in this regard, especially the turn of the millennium games. Base the game around one central idea and push it to the limit. Like Giga Wing, the Shikigami series, Ikaruga, and to a lesser extent something like Radirgy.

While I think cave games are fine they definitely started becoming too system heavy and weighted down by broken/esoteric scoring systems imo.

>>7730826
I prefer to call them "think em ups"

>>7730883
>>7731051
Then start apologizing publicly

>>7730963
Dadshmups still going strong, even newer Space Invaders games are nice

They will outlive this silly bullet hell fad

Marion's puffy smelly feet.

Get a Gunbird 2All (without lying)

>Franky people need to double check what they read on wikipedia before they come blasting me in the comments section of my review with misinformation. Kazuma Kujo, who a bunch of people keep touting as the equivalent of "Irem Staff" is NOT the director of R-Type Delta and the other R-Type games we know and love. That director's name is Hiroya Kita. The only shmup R-Type game that has been directed by Kujo is R-Type Final 1, which itself has a mixed legacy from fans of the series. The point I made in my video and will continue to make is that this new studio that Kujo has made called Granzella is by no means remotely equivalent to the legendary studio Irem. Just because Kujo and a few members of his staff worked at Irem as some point, this does not mean that they are the equivalent team to the Irem staff that produced the classic series that we know and love. Unless I missed when game directing talent became something you could just pass on via job description. But I suppose I am not a "true fan" of R-Type for recognizing this distinction and the noticeable dip in quality between Delta and Final 1 and 2. Honestly I find this amount of blind fan boyish at this point tiring.

for me it's resident evil village

>>7732164
>They will outlive this silly bullet hell fad
Nothing silly about some big 'ol mushi tiddies dodging thousands of bullets, maybe if you got gud you'd stop being impotent too

>>7723779
There are so many shmups out there now across the history of games that even if you don't find the prospect of mastering them enticing there should be enough shmups to graze and play for casual completion to last you a long while.

>>7726750
My man.

i noticed today trannies feel threaten by girl shmup player showing Gradius. why they like this?

>>7732375
casual play is always good but when you get better you want to do both because casual is more for relaxing and harder mastery shmup for exciting challenges

>>7732149
I'm sorry I lied. Happy?

>>7732164
>They will outlive this silly bullet hell fad
Dodonpachi got released in 1997 and still going strong. Get over it, gramps!

>>7723779
where's the gunbird x cotton crossover?

>>7732928
>i noticed today trannies feel threaten by girl shmup player showing Gradius. why they like this?
girl envy, pussy envy, attention envy ?

>>7733028
Gunbird is vertical, Cotton is Horizontal and they play so different.
Gunbird x Game Tengoku could work betters

what are the most manly shmups and why are they all military style shooters with fast bullets and hard recovery?

>>7733295
>hard recovery
After the 3rd stage if I die it's all over and I give up.

>>7733298
>I give up
git gud

has ricky admitted he lied finally?

>>7733382
we'll never know he disappeared from all discords

>>7733361
Couldn't be bothered to invest that much time into it. If I can't beat it organically I move on to the next game.

>>7733415

for me it's lying about achievements

>>7733445
If there is no replay, you shouldn't believe it.

>>7733449
actually if it's not done on an official arcade it #1 doesn't count, #2 probably cheated.

>>7733437
>Hey I finally beat Raiden. All I had to do was watch AGDQ and use save states to learn everything.
>I totally beat it on my own!

>>7733460
>AGDQ
What is that?
>save states to learn everything
Save state was a mistake.

>>7733457
Why #1?
#2 makes sense in some cases, but for a simple 2 loop? Just show you character can die and get game over before and after the 2 loops, for example. But yeah, could use autofire to make the game easy and so on.

Speedrunners (sometimes) will show a game over/Full-restart before a replay to show it's not a recorded movie/input file playback which are easily cheated.

>>7733484
>>7733479
>show you character can die
>how a game over/Full-restart
as easily faked as a twitter screenshot. this is not proof of anything. It's honestly amusing how naive and easily swindled you must be for suggesting this as proof.

>>7733502
Tell me again how that would not work in a real arcade. Unless you think one can't cheat on those.

>>7733502
of course that is just a bare minimum, but how do you fake that without splicing videos?

That's usually a bare minimum and not ideal, other requirements get added like button input display, hand cams and audible button clicks, and live streaming etc.

>>7733513
>That's usually a bare minimum and not ideal, other requirements get added like button input display, hand cams and audible button clicks, and live streaming etc.
Yes for someone like ricardo or perikles all those requirements would be necessary. Edusword has learned his lesson but still hasn't apologized publicly so he is still on the HOOK

>>7733521
personally I don't think gus' runs are legit because not done on original arcade hardware. his AGDQ run was most likely a replay he recorded and played back to the audience. He can't even get past stage 3 at the arcades so...something is wrong

he went back to playing rpgs he posts on /vrpg/ regularly, don't wait for the STrikers 2ALLs lol

>>7733460
Good games should have some measure of rng.

>>7733382
Let it go, nothing to see here.

>>7733565
Of course. I love chasing my thunderfury binding. It's been over a year now but surely it's going to drop any week/month now.

>>7733513
Honestly you'd only want some of these extra things if you are already suspicious. If you hop into a stream of someone who manages a great score, 9 times out of 10 you will catch the 50 minutes of painful restarts that transpire before the Magic Run happens.

>>7733546
>He can't even get past stage 3 at the arcades
that's because he sucks with sticks and only knows how to play it with an xbox 360 pad.

>>7733720
>he sucks with sticks
That is a shit excuse. Sticks are better to play shmups, anyway.

>>7733720
>being this gullible

>>7726706
For real? Most my mp3 files are working just fine. Spectral analysis are pretty accurate and don’t show signs of file degradation. How can I visually spot signs of data loss in lossy formats?

>>7733445
For me it's a drug zapped brain that makes me annoying to be around.

>>7733028
Just play Gunbird 2 bruh
Everyone shits their pants at the thought

>>7734053
Gunbirdo 2 is pure wankery. Wtf is going on in that shit

https://www.metacritic.com/game/switch/r-type-final-2
>Average user score: 4.1

OH NONONONONONONONONONONONONO DADSHMUPBROS WE GOT TOO COCKY

ric or cee, who would you banish from the community?

>>7734219
All the fags in this thread that instead of playing smhup, keep talking about ecelebrity.

>>7734228
>hurr durr post your 2ALL Strikers

>>7734304
Y- yeah 2all'ing a game is pretty meaningless anyway..... ri-right fellas?

What is the definitive cunny shmup?

>>7734351
Post yours in that case

>>7733298
>After the 3rd stage if I die it's all over and I give up.
That's a lot of shmups. Especially if you need to hoard lives for the TLB.

>autistic trial and error: The Genre

This semen slurping cum gargling aids swallowing genre isn't for me

>>7734617
Twinkle Star Sprites doesn't suffer from that.

>>7734617
>trial and error
>how was I supposed to know to dodge the bullets
>this is artificial difficulty :'(((((

>>7734617
Stick to your RPGs then, noob.

>>7734689
>>7734651
He has a point. 1cc for most of shmups requires intense memorization even if you have good reaction, let alone score autism.

>>7733879
LOL

>>7734440
Let it go.

twin eagle 2 is fun

>>7733026
DingDongwhatchi?.. just more cookie-cutter, boring "shots-everywhere" junk to BORE me to TEARS, sorry. Last one of these new games I tried was Ikaraga... Sorry! but I learned to play color-matching games when I was two, don't need to do it anymore! Deleted THAT computer application from my Dell desktop after about 20 minutes.

R-Type, Gradius, Darius... those classics are a little more up MY alley. No TINY hitboxes to make the game look harder than it is, no half-naked japanimation cartoon girls, no gimmicky scoring to cover up the total lack of any real substance... just a little thing called good old-fashioned GAMEPLAY that seems to be forgotten nowadays... yep, I love all the super-duper powerups, and checkpoints.. yes recovery is HARD but not IMPOSSIBLE. You actually have to put in a little elbow grease to get your strength back! Something the little ones today could stand to learn from, if you ask me! They seem to want games where you can kill everything on the screen with one button press, right after inserting a coin! Instant gratification with no challenge. And personally, I usually prefer a "side-view" kind of shooter compared to a "bird's eye view" one, all those obstacles give levels a lot more personality, not such a common thing when every me-too game wants to look and play the same.

Me, I've been playing a lot of R-Type part two lately. I can only clear a couple of boards on my first man right now. I may wear out my joystick before I can manage my one quarter win! But I don't quit! What can I say, I prefer a little hard work to getting a free handout! Playing some Wings of Wor on my Sega too, and Biohazard Battle. Great vintage stuff!

>>7734304
>>7734304
Not so fast. You think Psikyo 2 Alls are the epitome of difficult shmup achievements? This shows how naive you are. Secondly, ric doesn't post here and he already proved harder results with Thunder Dragon 2. Let's be real, he lives rent free in your head because he dared to speak against gay elf games and shmul posers, and for that they hate him.

>>7735262
*shmup*

>>7735262
>Secondly, ric doesn't post here and he already proved harder results with Thunder Dragon 2
>kuso clear of TD2
>harder than Gunbird 2 2all

Sure thing rickagi

>>7734080
Your fault for trusting reviewers. Not too smart are we?

>>7734219
Post your replays son do u even shmup?

>>7734617
But a tranny likes that stuff specially if chasing bugs is a possibility

>>7735262
How many hours should a Strikers or Gunbird 2 ALL take an average decent player ?

What is the point of doing 1cc if it's on mame/emulator and not on a real arcade?
No one is going to believe on your replays and say you cheated.

>>7723779
What is the discord shmup people talk about? Can someone send an invite?

>>7735539
>implying you can't cheat on real hardware
Cool ignorance, brah.

>>7735539
point is to get good so you can one day go to an arcade and do it legit, for real, and have it recognized and counted. I agree, playing STRICTLY on console or mame is amateur westie cope

>>7735591
Yeah, but at least one is ignored by default

>>7735594
agree
Arcade with staff verification is the most safe and authentic way to do it legit

Authenticity tier and what MATTERS:

#1 arcade
#2 arcade
#3 arcade
#4 ....
#100.... cheated runs, spliced videos, streaming, streaming with handcam, perikles run, ricardo 2all claims, vod with input display, etc, all trash

>>7735614
>streaming with handcam
kek
Might as well just do spliced videos at this point.

>>7735539
For fun. Credit feeding is boring.

>>7735639
But there's no point in gitting gud at an arcade game if you're not doing it to compete against others. Might as well just enjoy a comfy JRPG instead, would be less a waste of your time.

>>7735915
I visit local arcades in the summer, and foreign arcades on my yearly spring vacation, so it makes my home practice more interesting.

>>7735619
>Billy can't be that good at Donkey Kong! Nobody is! It's just gotta be MAME!!!!1

>>7735947
Does he ever play hard games like shmups, or just pac man and DK shite he's been cheating at for decades?

>>7736001
He's never even played Defender. What a joke.

>>7735262
>ric doesn't post here
lmfao, he does and when it gets pointed out he lies again and again suddenly deciding he can but gets banned on sight! this has happened multiple times now.


>and shmul posers
Whilst being the biggest one?


>Let's be real
Either rick or his boyfriend.

>>7735262
Let it go.

>>7736436
>shmupg harbored a known terrorist
>just forget it bruh!!

>>7736442
cringe

>>7736436
>Let it go.
Not until we get a full confession and apology.

>>7736823
Based

>>7736823
cringe

>>7735915
I think challenge is what makes a game engaging to begin with. It's not so much about recognition for overcoming the challenge.

>>7736926
This. I'd love to be able to play those games on arcade, but not only I live in the middle of nowhere, I have yet to find a single arcade here.

>>7736823
I'm sorry I lied. Now let it go. Get over it. It's OK. Let's be real.

>>7736951
Make streamable clip, need to hear the jajaja accent

Anyone else just not give a shit about score?

>>7737214
yes, casuals

>>7737303
casuals don't play this genre

>>7737321
For some people, either you care about score or you don't play this genre, it seems.

>>7737303
I go for 1cc so I'm not a casual.

>>7737214
99% of the time yes. Sometimes you find a game where the scoring is too good to ignore and you are compelled to push yourself. Those games are the keepers.

Otherwise I'm pretty content with scrubby 1cc's.

>>7737214
I don't really give a shit about anything

>>7737445
based

>>7737356
>For some people
The people that are way outside of the visible autistic spectrum.

>shmupgang turning on /our guy/ Mark MSX after the R-Type review
Markbros this can't be happening...

>>7737479
Who is that and what he did?

>>7737479
>markhomosex
>ever /shmupg/'s guy
Spotted the poserpig.

>>7737479
>/our guy/ Mark MSX
Literally who?

>>7737573
shmupgang =/= /shmupg/
How fucking new are you, casualfag

>>7737578
Back to your pozzed discord circlejerk, tranny.

>>7737583
Shut your your ass up faggot, trying to fit in using "poserpig" and exposing yourself as someone with ZERO /shmupg/ lore knowlegde

>>7737637
>having /shmupg/ lore
No wonder people here don't post replay, they waste their time discussing non-related stuff instead of playing and talking about the games themselves

>>7725943
r.i.p your hand bro

Are there any shmorps that are randomly generated instead of autistic as fuck trial and error replay the level until you learn it shit gameplay?

>>7737791
Monolith

>>7737791
roguelites are the hot indie trend, enjoy your slop

>>7737791
There's plenty of indie garbage that does that and they constitute the worst shmups ever made. Piss for level design because its random and shit visuals because the people behind them have neither talent or a proper artistic vision

>>7737852
I think it could be done well, it just isn't. Xeno Crisis has randomized levels and it works.

>>7737791
Randomly generate levels is the game dev saying fuck you to players since the dev didn't even care about their game enough to make interesting levels.

>>7737862
Haven't played it but it looks signicantly below the quality of the best handcrafted levels and even the mediocre ones. If you want shmups that depend less on memorization and more on skill thats what the danmaku ones are.

Randomization of bullet patterns adds nothing but ensures you will always have bad levels. I think these shitty indie roguelike just appeal to bad players because all they need to do is keep playing and eventually they will be given a lucky configuration allowing them to win without skill. They hate hardwon success.

>>7737841
>>7737852
>>7737871
>>7737865
There are good roguelites, but yeah the shmup ones suck.

>>7737885
Random levels always mean shit levels, which means a shit game. The only reason real roguelikes get a pass is 1) they are games based on hidden information (you have more unidentified items then you have identification scrolls) and its not hidden if you can just memorize it 2) They are games about tactics and they create dynamic tactical situations by randomizing things, same reason X-com works when randomized. The tactical level is so deep it justifies it.

In pretty much all action-rogulikes I have played hidden information is either nonexistent or virtually insignicant. The tactical level is shallow and not dynamic (you don't dynamically switch things up to just deal with each new encounter, you just find whats effective and stick with it until you find something more effective, like a fucking jrpg).

Can you point to examples of good roguelikes? As far as I have seen they are always the worst in their genre. Isaac for instance is not only the worst overhead shooter I have ever played its the worst game I have ever played.

>>7737885
Monolith is good tho

>>7737214
>Anyone else just not give a shit about score?
me and i have decent scores, it's completely meaningless, just play for fun and save your energy for worthwhilst pursuits, games don't take much at all if you stick with the same shmup for a long time just an hr here and there you will get good scores.

>>7737924
It's more about execution and adaptation to whatever you come across. Two of my favorites are Spelunky 2 and Crypt of the Necrodancer.

>>7737983
Outside of the stuff that veers super heavy on memorization like Splatter House those are skills needed for any older game.

I have a theory that action roguelikes are enjoyed by people that just don't appreciate quality level design. It would make sense in that context to prefer an endless amount of bad levels or a few good ones. Sort of like how someone that doesn't care about quality in food would prefer a few convience store chocolates to a single luxory choclate.

>>7738037
I can appreciate good level design. Roguelites are still fun though. I don't agree that random generation is inherently bad, but I wouldn't want it in every game.

>>7737791
TWINKLE

STAR

SPRITES

I was going to get into Ketsui but I noticed a guy named moglor is playing it close to the world record so it's pointless, what Cave should I try instead?

>>7737404
>I go for 1cc so I'm not a casual.
I simply say I have 2 Alls so I can hang around the good players and make fun of posers.

>>7738717
Why do you mean it's pointless?

>>7738751
mayhe his point is to be the best in the West at some Caveshit in a year or two (not 4 or 5 or 10)

>>7727482
It's not stupid if you are playing the digital audio back on quality gear. Maybe for you on your 20 dollar ear buds.

>>7735150
>yes recovery is HARD but not IMPOSSIBLE
eat dick worms ricky!

>>7735150
What a great insufferable boomer dad impression.

>>7735262
how can you say TD2 is harder than Psikyo 2-Alls when there's only one proof video
regardless true or not for his 2Alls, his fucking big mistake for being a big mouthbreather

Why am I banned

>>7735150
based

>>7737679
are you this new? get out of here!

>post replay
>route gets copied, all my strats stolen
>get doxxed
>end up on kiwi-farms with personal secrets revealed
No thanks! Setting my shmup streams and replays to private tyvm

>>7738717
Guwange still has spaces for westie records up to counterstop, even /ourguy/ MarkMSX got btfo'ed

>>7739048
>get out of here
kek

>>7739059
The Japanese were always right, hiding strat is the best

>>7739068
>Japanese were always right
As always, when it comes to being an schizo gamer.

>>7739059
>sick mame setup bro! where'd you get the banner art?

>>7739076
>>7739075
What shmups do people like you 1cc? Got any replays to share?

>>7739029
>how can you say TD2 is harder than Psikyo 2-Alls
TD2 is harder than Sengoku Ace 2-all that's for sure

>>7739106
>What shmups do people like you 1cc?
Gradius series, R-Type series, some Compile games, some Psikyo ones.
>Got any replays to share?
see >>7739059

>>7739106
>TD2 is harder than Sengoku Ace 2-all that's for sure
Based Ric moving the goal post. TD2 is harder than Sengoku Ace 2-ALL is the easiest Psykio 2-ALL, let's be real.

>>7739106
>Got any replays to share?
Well you certainly haven't lmao

you shouldn't have talked all that shit about jrpgs tardo, now look at you

>>7735930
>I visit local arcades in the summer, and foreign arcades on my yearly spring vacation, so it makes my home practice more interesting.
well aren't you the lucky boy? what do you play?

>>7738717
Mushihimetama

MarkMSX is a cringe redditor and certainly not /ourguy/

>>7739790
No one ever said that but the poser who thinks shmupg and shmupgang is the same thang

>>7739815
shmupg is abbreviation of shmupgang because we control the narrative now.

I hope you murderers are happy. You drove out retardo, the last westie who still cared about shootemups and could intelligently discuss them. You deserve the cesspool you've created for yourselves when he gave you a real place to share and collaborate. Pic related is you.

>>7737871
>Haven't played it but it looks signicantly below the quality of the best handcrafted levels and even the mediocre ones.
yeah well you're wrong. no static layout just means you have to learn crowd management and get a feel for how to deal with various groupings of enemies instead of memorizing where to stand to win. 'empty room that enemies flood into' is all the level design it needs.

>I think these shitty indie roguelike just appeal to bad players because all they need to do is keep playing and eventually they will be given a lucky configuration allowing them to win without skill.
I think they "get" reflexes but not anything else you'd need to win. even Flappy Bird is randomized. basically every mobile game is whack-a-mole.

>>7740168
>...could intelligently discuss shmups
yeah, nah.

>>7740185
rng levels could work in turn based games like mystery dungeon games and roguelikes, but they are less interesting and enjoyable in action games where level design influences gameplay. Imagine Gradius 3 or R-Type with RNG levels, fuck that

Tfw playing jarpigs feels like homework

>>7740168
>the last westie who still cared about shootemups
you mean jaimers and based bareknuckleroo?

Whats up with that

>>7740328
Forgot pic lel

>>7740332
MarkHomosex prowls reddit and tries to trick others into buying fake scam crypto

>>7740332
Is he on the dole bro's

>>7740369
Shameful!

>>7724574
>>7724631
touhou patterns and levels look like crap after you've played Cave shmups for a while, I don't see how people care to waste time grinding that 2poo trash

>>7740168
tardo got what he deserved and honestly became really annoying. he talked like a fucking robot I'm guessing he was on psych meds that numbed his personality or had actual asburgers

>>7740374
shmup expert jaimers still enjoys touhou and plays every game until he gets NMNB runs
I'm thinking the series is based

>>7740451
What the No Miss mean in Touhou?

>>7740147
this. people like chav have been referring to shmupg as shmupgang for years, lmao at the sealtard trying to fit in and co-opt the name.

>>7740939
It's the complete opposite but you're too dense and have zero reading skills

>>7740207
Works for Tetris. Also of course Level Design will influence game play in any genre .

>>7740939
Lmao can you stop exposing yourself as an outsider? we don't like your kind here.

https://twitter.com/clp95717253/status/1256524486897209347

Just got R Type Final2 on steam; I hope it's decent. To be honest it already looked way better than Final based on videos and the demo.

>>7740484
Deathless run, I think the origin is a Japanese rendering of "mistake"

>>7741403
I see. No Death would make sense. No miss could mean so many things, but I get it now.

>>7740168
>he gave you a real place to share and collaborate
He made it, well technically it's not his own
But it's ironic that he abandoned the place at the end lol

>>7740451
>enjoys
look the difference on >>7741213

chumlum vs. nameschonvergeben, who's the superior 2hufapper

>>7740207
>Imagine Gradius 3 or R-Type with RNG levels, fuck that
loaded examples, consider Fantasy Zone with RNG base layouts. spawns might already be partially random in FZ, not sure.

>>7741213
so, is it mandatory to be an ostrich to join the shmupgang?

>chav streaming belt scrollers

BASED

>>7740939
SUMMONSED

shmupg and shmupgang are 2 diff groups.

>>7723779
I'm knew to this thread(and this genre). Should I just play those games or I have to know random shit like shmupg and shmupgang?

>>7739106
>implying speed-troons play shmups
Why can't we have a wholesome Shmup thread without people like you seething and dilating?

shmupg is shmupgang because we gang up on the secondaries and jarpigs in the community to weed them out and clean house, can't believe you clueless newfaggots can't even get something basic like this right. kek

>>7741831
>secondaries
What are those?

>>7741838
Non-players who orbit real shmup players, rarely if ever playing shmups themselves.

Why are half of shumps games pedophile bait
Makes me cringe

>>7741870
Modern japanese gamers only buy (shmup) games that have loli characters.

>>7741870
because you haven't played enough Dad

>>7723779
me on the right

>>7741906
BASED

>>7741870
>>7741906
>YOU'RE PLAYING THE WRONG GAMES!
>YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PLAY...
(you)

>>7741850
>Non-players who orbit real shmup players, rarely if ever playing shmups themselves.
we call those lil rics

>>7741778
shmupg is the gang that btfo ric and cee and makes fun of gus for fucking doggies.


>>7739059
do you stream 1943? great retro game

>>7742664
t. tohotranny

>>7742678
That doesn't mean that it made any kind of impression on me at all, lmao. Must've forgotten about it.

>>7738071
>TWINKLE STAR SPRITES
Do people play this on Fightcade? That would be fun to try.

>>7742664
>we call those lil rics
but... muh td2 5m... m-muh gradius 3-all...

>try to learn new shmup
>it's objectively great, probably better than the shmups I normally play...but
...but I'd rather just get better at the 2 or 3 shmups I already know and am good at desu. is this a cope?

why don't more vertical shmups have real level design

>>7742850
sometimes you just have a game you keep on coming back to. I have that new Cotton game, and it's awesome and I want to push it for score, but I am still trying to finish out my goals in my current shmups. And I just grabbed the new R-Type game...

>>7742894
People who prefer vertical shumps lack the skills to be able to pass levels like those.

>>7741831
I accept your concession. Let it go.

>>7742894
Ennemy placement and flow is level design

>>7742664
what? shmupg and gang are different.

>>7743183
*used to be different.
shmupg was a general thread, it died & shmupgang took it over.

if you mean a few loud regulars from shmupg? they got btfo.

>>7742850
casual play some shmups get gud at others, not complicated

>>7728126
nothing, einhander is based

>>7743195
the gang was directed to the peeps on mark/lix cord
but w/e, doesn't matter now

>>7743195
Go back to your seal sever, tranny

>>7742895
Anyone play the new Cotton game? It just got an update that fixed the fugly bloom and lighting effects so it plays better now. I think it's fun and Cotton a cute

>>7743197
it's the worst hori on the ps1 tho

Gradius Gaiden > R-Type Delta > Thunder Force V > G-Darius > Einhander

>>7744267
all those games are good. it's like being the slowest runner at the olympics

>>7744310
true, but it's also overrated by jarpigs who only care about it because MUH SQUARE made it

I like Thunder Force V a lot but I don't know if I'd call it better than Einhander. For one, Einhander has challenge outside of its final boss.

>>7743195
>they got btfo.

chav - exposed on the dole
tardo - anally ravaged by onion-drink
Mad Maxine - transitioned
kraut - interpol'd
machine gun nig larp spammer - transitioned
sinoc - scammed and blammed
Patchouli fag - transitioned
Gus - anally ravaged by Doberman

Yikes, they all end up badly one way or the other...

>>7745139
I miss based Harry, he was a good lad.

>>7728126
Way too much downtime in the early stages. Besides that, not much.

>>7745139
i'm fuzzy on the lore, is mad maxine the one who said shmups are easy and was going to prove it by beating gradius iii snes blind? then got MOAI'd and shat out huge walls of cope for eternity?

For me, it was the guy who called us STG Cult for not allowing Nuclear Throne into the general.

>>7737871
>I think these shitty indie roguelike just appeal to bad players because all they need to do is keep playing and eventually they will be given a lucky configuration allowing them to win without skill. They hate hardwon success.

How is this not better than dying over and over until you brute force learn the correct pattern? That's not skill. It's memorization. Studying and doing homework on level layouts is not skill. And it's not impressive. This is exactly what soeedrunning trannies do. They play a game for 1000 hours and learn what pixel to stand on every second. That's the entire shmup genre.

Seeing Plasmos Donpach progress is really impressive and how he dissects patterns and chains is inspiring. Makes me excited to keep on keeping on!

>>7746531
too hard for you
back to final fantasy 5 fiesta

>>7723835
I want to suck on them.

>>7746539
He's def vibing when he plays totes awesome

>>7746780
I know the meme about jaimers being best in west but plasmon is better simply better and has world records that overshadow anything jaimers does

>>7746792
Jaimers could beat those records if he wanted to

>>7745139
>Mad Maxine - transitioned
>machine gun nig larp spammer - transitioned
>Patchouli fag - transitioned
Attention whore players always end up becoming trans, it seems.

>>7745139
>Gus - anally ravaged by Doberman
can I get a quick rundown?
I've heard about this for a while but what happened exactly?

>>7742850
those boobs are ridiculous lol

>>7747654
Jaimers doesn't have the talent and long-term focus Plasmo does

>>7742710
Lol at that pic

>>7742850
If it's objectively better then you should play it instead genius

Jaimers could get any record he wants. Remember that.

Jaimers is garbage at any shmup he hasn't grindmonkeyed for hundreds of hours.

Jealousy

what's a really gorgeous looking 2d game that doesn't have any major gimmicks?

>>7748283
Darius.

is mark incapable of properly reviewing any shmup that isn't a Dodonpachi-like?

>>7750379
Why review properly when you can scam redditors into your patreon and crypto?

Plasmo is really good but keep in mind that his WR's are some of the easiest cave records, his donpachi score doesn't seem any more impressive than jaimers' ketsui score let alone his ddp which is a fair bit stronger, and both of those are complete jokes compared to the WR's in said games.
plasmo says he has put way more effort into pink sweets than donpachi though, so that score might btfo jaimers' ddp score but who knows because only 5 people on earth have ever played PS for more than 10 minutes.

anyway jaimers is obviously the normie "good western shmup player" pick, there are at least 10 westerners on a similar or higher skill level, iconoclast, pazzy, bananamatic, just to name a few.

>>7747882
What are you on about, Jaimers' picks up games really quickly, his problem is exactly not being able to stick with games for a long time, has only done it a couple times.

>>7750737
>>7750737
>Plasmo is really good but keep in mind that his WR's are some of the easiest cave records, his donpachi score doesn't seem any more impressive than jaimers' ketsui
Are you confused or joking? It's stunning how little you know about the subject. Donpachi is one of the most demanding and intellectually demanding Cave shmups. It has been pushed hard by Japanese players who are World Record level.
i.e the current WR holder for Donpachi type B pushed type C to an impressive 53,3 million back in the 1990s. It was then overtaken by 両替士 to 55,8 million (両替士 holds world records in both Giga Wing and Thunder Dragon 2). Afterwards it was pushed by JMB-りゅう to a monstrous 62,8 million (JMB-りゅう holds the Gain world record in Great Mahou Daisakusen). Plasmo not only beat 62,8 million but beat it convincingly with his famous 66,2 million performance, thus out performing some of the best in the craft.

Jaimers is certainly talented but anyone who thinks he's equal to someone like Plasmo doesn't understand what is going on here.

>>7750774
Hi Plasmo

GAYmers isn't fit to wash pazzy's ballsack, it must be said

>>7750774
Are you joking? No one pushes donpachi to even 1/3rd of the level that WTN does, everyone else's score in that game is a complete joke compared to his, 92m vs 66m, hmm yep seems like they are on a similar level to me.
A game being hard or intellectually demanding doesn't matter when the game has 5 players, WTN's score is extremely good and the other WR's are very nice scores as well but type b/c are bad WR's and nowhere near as good as you are making them out to be.

Also out preforming a top tier player in a game doesn't mean you are top tier yourself, god players don't go for god scores in every game they touch.

might be getting baited here though, but whatever.

>>7750873
>what are ship types

>>7750886
In most CAVE games ship types score very similarly, there is 0 chance WTN's score is not by far the best, maybe the other types can't do full phantom/magnum? that would be 10m which is extremely significant but he wouldn't have gone for those regardless and i've never heard of them being type A only.

>>7750737
do you play shmup yourself or you're just some cheerleader?

>>7750867
>>7750737
>iconoclast, pazzy, bananamatic, just to name a few.
no arcade world records, they aren't even close.

>>7750914
because they don't avoid games that have real competition lmao

>>7750907 Yeah I play, how about you guys?

>>7750973
yep, no world record

>>7750986
lol

>>7750973
>LARPing as someone else online
ngmi

>>7750973
What game is that?

>>7751005
Ketsui PS4 port

I really wanted to like Viewpoint, but after sampling it I just can't ;_;

>>7742710
soidrink wasn't even doing anything, don't know why ric had to sperg out like that.

>>7751138
tardo thought it was HIS zone and gus cucked him with a devastating "just games brah"

What the fuck is a 2 all

>he doesn't go on based tardo's server

https://kiwiirc.com/nextclient/irc.rizon.net:+6697/?nick=Anon?#shmups

>>7751335
Some games loop back to beginning once you beat it (think Ghouls and Ghosts "this is an illusion by Satan!" false ending). Beating the first "loop" is called a 1ALL. Beating the second a 2ALL and so on. Some games end after 2 loops, others go infinitely on (like Gradius).

Tardo is such a good player he 2ALL'd all three Strikers 19xx games, which are very difficult. Curiously never shows proof and deleted his channel when asked. Strange!

>>7751346
sup Tardo, where are the replays?

Blah blah blah
Everyone writes lots of words of nothing. The fact is, you will NEVER be as good as Jaimers. Discussion over.

I thought eceleb stuff was against the rules. Why is this the only thread where people get away talking about streamers and shit that nobody cares about?

>>7751901
Because this is the thread of hardcore games. The rest of the discussions are of casual gamers who do not interest in skill.

>>7751358
In one continue?

>>7751901
Containment thread.

What other classic series have had a new game relatively recently?

>>7752012
a new Cotton game in over 20 years, with these two cuties!!!

>>7751921
Bullshit this is creepy kiwifarms twitch streamer stalker thread. You're more interested in drama than autistic videogames.

>>7751358
Who is Tardo? Also, why he would say he did that if people would ask him to prove it?

>>7751901
>eceleb
It's one reason I avoid general, they always have eceleb stuff.

>>7752056
Post your scores big boy

>>7752012
This image LOL
That fucking slug that is just chillaxin and you make him agro with your human preachary.

I ONLY WANTED TO BE A SLUG ANON

Reminder all this shitposting is 2hutrannies seething about pros rightfully shitting on their tranny games with cringe garbage music

Weird how the Tardo irc shill post and the reply to it got deleted
Could it be that.. it was really tardo himself... I thought he let it go... oh no no Rickybros we can't let it go...

>>7752359
2hu suck yup but post your scaore's biggy boi so you'll prove you're not a tron urslef, trooony tron mctrunk.

>>7752359
>hating touhou

>>7752359
No one cares about this swiftly dying genre, even touhoufags are over a decade old.

>>7752359
sage

>>7742895
Where are they selling the new Cotton game, and who made it? Please don't tell me it's another switch game.

>>7752486
>Please don't tell me it's another switch game.

lol

>>7751358
donot forget ric claims 7000 hours of shmup practice and other hard clears besides the Strikers trilogy 2alls but after 8 months he still couldn't clear daioh 2 loops. funny innit?

>>7752579
Switch is getting hollywood-tier in terms of reboot rehashes. Why can't anyone come up with something original/good anymore, and why are normies so obsessed with nostalgia these days?

>>7752591
It's on everything, switch, ps4 and soon pc/steam. Saturn tribute is going to be the same way. Beep produced the reboot/tribute/2021 but so far reboot was developed by the trouble witches team.

>>7752591
>hollywood-tier in terms of reboot rehashes. Why can't anyone come up with something original
I can't remember the last time modern consoles had anything original.

>>7752606
R Type Final 2

>>7752396
Dilate

Finally, shmups are getting a bit less autistic now and are appealing to people with healthy social lives instead of friendless spergs on the dole:

https://escapeindustries.itch.io/fingeance
>Our very first collaborative title, Fingeance, is sort of a reverse Moby Dick. As a fish, you’ve suffered the ultimate indignity: the loss of your gills. Unable to breathe underwater, you cobble together a sub and seek revenge with the help of a mysterious Dolphin friend.

>Fingeance is a four-player shoot-em-up that places emphasis on teamwork and strategy, discarding traditional twitch-based gameplay. The game is built with Team Friendliness at its core, meaning that even the most novice player can be a choice asset to the team. To brave the highest difficulties, though, your decision-making will need to be razor-sharp. You’ll need to make the most of every randomly-generated weapon and enemy that comes your way.

>Imagine Faster Than Light meets Jamestown meets Team Fortress 2. Then, add four tiny fish, a comic book style, and a veneer of seething vindictive rage. That’s Fingeance.

>>7752012
lol
>>7752053
a former community member who lied about his shmup achievements and thought jrpgs were the devil and literally ruining the genre by luring good shmup players away and insulted anyone who disagreed.
he made his own server for himself and only he is in it now by himself talking to himself

>>7752826
why post this on a retro board? better go /v/

>>7752486
like the anon said, it's on soitch and snoy's ps4 and is supposed to come to pc eventually (probably when all the physical sales peter out). It's basically an all new game, new sprites, new graphics, new game mechanics, masquerading as a 'remake', more of a re-imagining (a reboot?). It's great btw.

There's also some teaser for a brand new Cotton game for arcades, but something tells me it will be more of a party-esque game that you'd see like that new Umihara Kawase multiplayer game. If I had to take a wild guess. Just a hunch.

i dont know to me the replay value is high vs any jrpgs or any story oriented game for that matter

>>7753072
The replay value of story-heavy games is 0. You already know the plot and replaying it as soon as you finish it is not going to make the plot different, in some cases it's even boring when the early part is slow as fuck.
No one reads the same book as soon as they finish it, for example, and if the gameplay is shit, they might as well just re-watch the cut-scenes on youtube. For shmups, the gameplay is the focus 100% so when you like the game, the chances of replaying it after you finish is quite high.

>>7753072
replay is just playtime and jrpgs win in playtime and every other metric

>>7753093
True going from beginning to end isn't where shmups get their replay it's from grinding a segment or stage over and over, which is just playtime.