/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7713410
Pippin 2 vs 3DO

>>7713410
It all depends on which system would have gotten Final Fantasy 7.

>>7713410
Saturn would've gotten all the Playstation games because CDs > cartridges and coding on Saturn is easier than coding on SGI's shit hardware.

>>7713410
Faggot

>>7713481
>>>>>the Jaguar only sold 2,000 units
>>>>>the Saturn outsold the fucking N64
holy shit hahahahahaha

Video games would’ve sucked and I would stick with Genesis/SNES until somebody released a good console.

>>7713410
Nintendo and Sega withdrawing from home consoles scene due to the PC taking 80%+ of the gaming market. This around 2004-2005.

>>7713410
Holy fuck Asuka as an e-thot makes my dick harder than steel

>>7713731
>Saturn outsold the fucking N64
This is still crazy to me.

>>7713481
Based Saturn. If the n64 was released by any other company, it would have led them out of the hardware business, that's how bad it was.

>>7714546
Not that surprising, Shiturn got a ton of coomer tranime "games" that those pervy japs love.

>>7714568
Gamecube would have brought them back though. 9/10 I see a normie emulating, it's Dolphin.

>>7713731
>>7714568
And yet it still was an enormous loss for Sega, while N64 wasn't a financial loss for Nintendo at all.

It would also have meant that Sega didn't need to rush the Dreamcast out the door to beat the PS2 to the punch so they could have done more work on it. It also means that Microsoft don't see that an outsider can force an opening into what looked like a sewn up market since the PS1 doesn't exist to show them that and they may not take the risk to launch the Xbox as a result.

>>7714878
>00s normie
>Plays anything except PS2
lmao

>>7713410
Segafag ?

>>7713410
but what if we imagine quite opposite,
what if everyone else except Sony didn't enter the video game market?

>>7713410
>Sony didn't enter the video game market. Who wins the 5th gen?

N64 would have sold like 100 million.

>>7713731
That's Japan only.

>>7713486
Saturn would have gotten nothing.

>>7715386
take meds

>>7714568
Nintendo made more money during the 5th gen than Sony did (from video games).

>>7714878
If PS2 hadn't existed then Xbox would have been the biggest console ever.

Obviously Sega & Nintendo both benefit if Sony doesn't come in, but I think Sega benefits more due to devs going with a cd based system over cartridge based, plus Shiturn hits the stores first. Too bad reality happened and Sega fucking died like the losers they are lol.

>>7713410
Sega would not have pulled their 6th month early start on the Saturn in the US thus Tom Kalinske would have not step down and we never get that awful Stolar which would have ensured more games localized and would have really hurt N64. That said consider the Dreamcast wouldn't have happen.

>>7713481
Final Fantasy 7 had an incredibly strong add campaign with help funded by Sony. If Sony wasn't there the add campaign wouldn't have been as strong and the reception might have been much weaker.

>>7714878
Gamecube might not have happened as it did, a lot of it's innovation was a direct retraction from Sony , which might have changed what they considered doing.

>>7713481
Final Fantasy 7 might have never happen, the ease of use the Sony hardware had made a lot of games happen.

>>7715428
Xbox is still the biggest console ever, in a literal sense.

>>7713410
Getting rid of Sony would have been a massive game changer, however I think it would just delay Sega's death, SoJ was fucking moronic and would have just found a new way to kill themselves
>>7715428
Gates only consider making a console because of Sony, no Sony, no Xbox

>>7713410
Keep your stupid fetishes out of EVA. Thanks.

>>7715501
Why so upset?

>>7713410
Is this with dolphin project still occurring (and failing) or is this a world where Nintendo never agreed to work with them? Because that makes some massive changes in what the world might look like.
No Dolphin Project and we likely never had the N64 and we would have seen a CDi system with Mario 64 or whatever it would have been called.

>>7713410
Matsushita might have soldiered-on with the 3DO M2 and taken Sony's place (including getting FFVII and Metal Gear Solid) if the PSX never came out, because it doesn't change Sega's shitty business decisions- but the Saturn might not have flopped too hard in the West either.

>>7715509
>including getting FFVII and Metal Gear Solid
I'd be curious in Nintendo would have been disc based and gotten them, the N64 was a panic machine rolled out from bailing with Sony, OPs " didn't enter the video game market" is so vague I'm like >>7715508 and want a set answer

>because it doesn't change Sega's shitty business decisions
it would have changed at least two >>7715464
>Tom Kalinske would have not step down
>the Dreamcast wouldn't have happen

>>7715491
Underrated

Very good news for Sega. I remember they constantly had to match the PS1's price because Sony kept lowering it. Going from 400 to 200, continuously losing more money on every console sold. That's okay for Sony because they were a giant electronics company. But Sega only had arcades to fall back on.

>>7715507
Thankfully goth plague stopped about 10 years ago and should stay buried.

>>7715416
Lol fuck no. SNES was a much superior system (for its era) and did not reach 50 million.

>>7715507
>black-haired Misato
I disliked these zoomer edits of Evangelion until just now. I kneel.

>>7715736
>I kneel.
Don't.

>>7715464
>Sega would not have pulled their 6th month early start on the Saturn in the US

that one would have happened either way. SoJ saw the Saturn selling super fast in Japan, that's why they wanted to push the early launch, not because of Sony.

>>7715762
Four video documentaries and two books place the early launch squarely on SoJ fearing Sony was going to overtake them in the west due to how rapid the sales were climbing for the Playstation in Japan so they got it out early.
The information is based on interviews with staff of both SoA and SoJ

Sega would likely have won Japan quite easily. One of the big stories of the gen was that Japanese developers wanted CDs, so Square would surely have gone with the Saturn. Many PS1 sales driving hits started as Saturn games (Resident Evil, Tomb Raider) so it would have done quite well worldwide too.

Nintendo would have easily won the US. They did actually win the US for three years against Sony, it was just Sony's headstart and unprecedented sales tail (a huge chunk of PS1s were sold AFTER the PS2 was out!) that meant they eventually dominated in the final numbers.

>>7715965
I'm assuming you are going on the hypothetical that the dolphin project still happen? By that account >>7715509 notes a possibility those CD games might have gone to easier to program hardware, people forget Sony was the odd one out when they rolled in, other CD based hardware could have had a hard fight.
>Nintendo would have easily won the US.
Another possibility is they might have lost entirely between CD hardware systems now having a competitive edge and the fact Sega would not have lost Tom Kalinske Nintendo might have gone the way of Sega and been crushed out before getting to their hardware savoir the Wii

>>7715507
this one looks cool

I really appreciate some of you are taking this question seriously and taking into the fact all the tiny details that changed everything. To many anons won't even look past the surface of the question and just assume everything happens as it happen.

>>7715985
>crushed out before getting to their hardware savoir the Wii
A lot of anons always forget this. Nintendo was doing as bad/worse as Sega in 5th and 6th, what saved them was a small loyal base and then in irony making the most causal system to date. Hell Sega just quit because of the shame, Sega of Japan just could not cope that the competition they openly mocked 6 years ago was effectively dominated the market.

>>7713481
Why the hell are you using Japan only sales as if anyone gives a shit about those?

>>7713410
>a world where Sony didn't enter the video game market
You get nothing but overpriced mario and zelda trash for the rest of your existence.

If Sony hadn't released the Playstation I suspect they would've pulled through in helping Nintendo develop the N64 DD which would've made the N64 the definitive fifth gen platform for quality, though I suspect the lack of Sony competition would've granted both Nintendo and Sega better sales which in turn might've delayed the Dreamcast and made it a more powerful, competitive system in itself. I doubt any of this would've changed Microsoft's entry into the console world, and from that point on (Nintendo healthier, Sega much healthier and releasing the Dreamcast at the same time as the rest of the 6th gen, Microsoft's position unchanged) the end result depends on whether Sony would've entered the console market in the 6th gen or abstained further (though I see no reason for the second case), so the 6th gen would've been a four way battle with a more capable Dreamcast and a less established Playstation brand and sales would've been far more balanced. Because the console world is too small for four equal competitors however I suspect someone would've cocked up in the 6th gen and pulled out afterwards, and I suspect it might've been Sega either way, only a gen or two later, because they were a video game company first and foremost and never had other business sectors to soften the blow of unsuccessful consoles like Sony and Microsoft and never had the franchise recognition, merch sales and handheld success of Nintendo for a steady stream of income.

>>7716767
I agree wholy with this.

>>7715985
>>7716061
>their hardware savoir the Wii
>Nintendo was doing as bad/worse as Sega in 5th and 6th
Y'all are forgetting the handheld market. 200 million units sold of systems in this picture.

>>7714389
This is correct in the west. Japan, however, loved the Saturn, and there would have likely been a huge split where the west was PC-only and Japan was console only. Sort of like the late 2000s but more extreme.

>>7717058
Fair point but they were hitting hard financial times when the GameCube rolled in. The handheld market was not making up the loses. However it might have lead to them going full handheld systems if the 64 and cube went bad enough

>>7716767
That wasn’t OPs question

>>7717106
OP was asking about the fifth and sixth gen.

>>7717134
>Sony didn't enter the video game market
Meaning they neither finished the dolphin project nor make the PlayStation

Wouldn't it be funny if Nintendo was bought by Sony?

Imagine a world without Evangelion

>>7717234

>>7716767
>>7717029
I wholy think you need to work on your self posting

>>7717234
The Shiturn would've sold even worse than it already did in Japan without the Eva coomer shovelware, that's for sure.

>>7713410
At which point are we imagining the lack of Sony's involvement? Since they did the SFC/SNES sound chip which was a clear advantage that system had over its competitors, as most favor the music and sounds from its games. Would they go through with the addon CD-ROM drive to Nintendo's 16-bit console? Namco was a heavy investor into the Playstation project, but they did not favor Nintendo nor Sega at the time and was looking to escape both.

With all the butterfly effect possibilities factored in, thinking of my favored Sega would still end out failing and would still be out by the time Microsoft rolls around. For any of that to change all conditions need to be met: Namco accepts their primary arcade competitor to dictate their cost on hardware, Square opts out of their comfortable agreement with Nintendo, Electronic Arts willing to develop games for lower profit margins against competitors, Japanese animation catches on sooner globally, Sega management unified globally with a cohesive technically-sound planning and no fuckups ... chances are still slim, but only then would fates change.

A fun exercise, but does not change the industry from companies with deep finances.

>>7720414
DUMP EM ALREADY PLLLLEEEEASSEEE

>>7720414
PLSSSS

>>7721105
>>7722806
I finally got a disc drive. I don't think you want those discs though. They were purchased long ago in Chinatown, and they are just VCDs, MPEG1 which is inferior to DVDs MPEG2 or whatever h.265 quality you get from your streaming services. The audio is doubled mono, since it uses the left channel for Japanese and the right channel for the Chinese (or Vietnamese? I cannot tell, it doesn't sound like Chinese) dub. Those discs I cannot tell if legit or bootleg, I assume the latter, since they were real cheap and not a source to preserve. Maybe the studios have the reference quality best for preservation.

>>7720414
>>7722984
so mods will never ban your motherfucking ass for avatar/signature? gotcha. Great board, jannies.

>>7723131
Nope, he's been here for years and every single one of his posts are shallow and add nothing to the thread, they just serve as an excuse to this shit. At this point I'm convinced this is all he has so it doesn't bother me as much.

>>7723138
gonna do this from now on

>>7713481
how come Final Fantasy was that big of a deal?

>>7723518
Marketing there is a PDF file showing the absolute insane amount of time and money Sony and Square Soft put into making it a success. The end product was good luckily, but the goal was ensure 750,000 sales no matter what so they poured over $100 million in marketing just for that one game.
If Sony didn't happen no one would have had the money or interest pouring that much into making one JRPG exclusive sell that well.

>>7723536
i heard that Square planned to make FF for the Nintendo 64 but found out that since they´re using cartridges, they just went for Playstation because bigger size of the CD

>>7723540
It wasn't even that, the team director stated that N64 didn't even have a development kit so they started development without a hardware in mind, they were then given emulation kits for the N64 and the game wasn't having it, so they went over to Sony due to easier programing and a more lucrative offer.

>>7713481
>he bought into the meme
Guess those ads paid off

>>7722984
>EVA-themed external usb-dvd-drive
man, they really have no shame LOL.

>>7715501
>>7715608
The goths and emos are coming back, and nothing you can say or do will stop this.

>>7723678
Homie you can decorate your entire home and workshop with Eva-themed furniture and tools.

>>7714546
Why? Its got better games. Look up how mario64 was received in Japan to see why nobody cared about the console.

>>7715501
I regularly pull girls who look like this, you're just mad cuz you don't get the qt goth girls

>>7722984
There's a good chance they're legit — VCDs often look dodgy even when they're official since they were often licensed only for SEA or HK releases. There's a few legit pressing houses; you can probably google the distribution company to see if there's a lot of them on eBay or whatever. If there are, it's less likely it's a bootleg. And even official VCDs look like ass, they're 240p MPEG1 as you said, so even a good source will look miserable.

>>7723678
They modeled their marketing like Star Wars and have everything and anything branded with their property. I really wanted a blu-ray writer, but they are unaffordable as they still go for over $100USD even now when no one uses optical media. Plus, I think the splash of color to the drive is a great contrast to all the black and LEDs of modern electronics. Funny thing is that I do not like the series/story, but I do love the characters like Mana, Ayanami, Asuka, Misato, etc.

>>7724863
After a quick serach, it is a maybe. The company has a website, but the show is not listed under their properties. The low quality of those VCDs is the reason why I don't think they need to be dumped as there must be cleaner and better footage.

>>7723562
So if Sony didn’t get in the market the final fantasy series might have been more niche like Dragons Quest?

>>7725058
haha gotcha, they could have once had the license and it's since expired. I have a copy of Godzilla 2000 from Universe Laser and Video Co. (which is indeed a legit HK distributor), I ripped it for the hell of it but it ain't pretty. They're also more work to rip than a DVD or BD because you pull the DAT files off each disc, convert those losslessly with ffmpeg or something and then join the files together into a single video. Not the worst, but more time consuming than pressing "rip disc".

>>7713731
The Saturn had Virtua Fighter, and Japan was fucking CRAZY over Virtua Fighter.

And IIRC the Jaguar had half-assed importation and was only sold at Toys R Us with localization limited to stickers on the package.

>>7725506
Sakura Wars too

>>7725506
I think Sega having the Evangelion license and Sakura Taisen sold more Saturns than VF in Japan. Japan's always loved their coomershit more than arcade games, which is why they slowly faded away as the years went by.

>>7724863
Video CD was designed to have equivalent quality to VHS. It really took off in places like China and Malaysia because they couldn't afford home video yet in the '80s so when the '90s rolled around they jumped on the new tech like how parts of Africa have mobile phones but never had landlines.