/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7696378
https://www.retrotink.com/product-page/5x-pro

>>7696378
>$275
kek

>>7696378

>>7696416
+shipping
+tip
+tax

>>7696378
>Motion Adaptive Deinterlacing algorithm specifically for games to make 480i titles shine without adding lag or flicker.

The Framemeister is officially dead, press F to pay respects to our hardworking boi.

>>7696378
Voltar streams with the beta version and pretty much feels the Framemeister is now obsolete.

>>7696378
If it manages to do two of those things even halfway decent it will make people regret their xrgb and OSSC devices.
First the interlaced handling. Both fast switching AND adaptive frame interlacing would be huge. xrgb has delay and looks soft, OSSC is bob and weaving ugly as fuck. Both handle switching like anal cum.
Second. Handling 1440p output is huge for those not poor fags. As well as handling proper scaling via polyphase. Both mean actually good looking games without compromise.
Easy buy while OSSC pro falls flat in dev hell, micomsoft bailed out of the game, extron isn't even trying for this market, and GBS/OSSC is shit dated garbage.

>>7696446
>>7696439
ossc is now the budget cuck person scaler we can all make fun of money-less scum people for using

>>7696439
>>7696446

It just took seven years...

>>7696431
I dont have money for it desu, i only have a ps2 and a wii so ill be buying a hd retrovision component cable for my ps2 and a portta upscaler for it, pic related

So what is the big benefit of a retrotwink again? Is it really worth $300?

>>7696448
>GBS/OSSC is shit dated garbage.
Considering the simplicity of the R5X controller, the OSSC may let you fine tune the image more. The GBS-C can near-laglessly downconvert your signal to 240p, so that's not becoming obsolete anytime soon. Is there any word for 2x support for 480p games?

>Due to chipset limitations, 720p and 1080i input resolutions are sampled at 4:2:2

RIP my aspirations of RGsB 720p output from an Original Xbox.

>>7696448
gbsc is literally x10 cheaper

>>7696439
o7 i salute you o framemeister

oh this is not bad....not bad at all

The manual still says it has 0.25 frames of input lag minimum, which is 0.25 more than the OSSC has. And if you want immunity from sync loss due to resolution changes, that's 0.25-1.25 frames. Looks like my OSSC is still relevant then, I'll wait for the MLIG review(meme on me all you want).

>>7696378
Do buyfags really? Holy shit feels good to be a pirate emulation king. Reminder that CRT Royale is how the devs intended the game to look.

>>7696520
Are you so insecure that you need to piss all over a thread that has nothing to do with you? We don't give a shit about your emulation, you people are worse than those Reddit Raspberri Pi builders were.

>>7696456
bump

>>7696378
>The first custom developed FPGA-based Motion Adaptive Deinterlacing algorithm specifically for games to make 480i titles shine without adding lag or flicker.
huh? Don't you need to buffer a frame for any kind of deinterlacing that's not bob?

>Are you so insecure that you need to piss all over a thread that has nothing to do with you? We don't give a shit about your emulation, you people are worse than those Reddit Raspberri Pi builders were.

>hey guys, I got the perfect solution for problems you don't have

>>7696378
was kinda hoping it would have a crt filter

>>7696378
No thanks, I prefer RF.

>>7696431

>>7696378
Waiting for the Pixel FX Morph which will probably cost $500.

>>7696532
>doesn't know how to reply to other posts
Kill yourself newfag

>7696629
>he doesn't give you free (You)s
based

>>7696378
Thanks for the heads up, Mike Chi! I’ll be purchasing one and selling my 2X Pro.

>>7696378
nice

This seems damn cool and I want one.. but I've gone through all the trouble of putting together a decent setup centered around retro gaming on a CRT, so I am not certain how often I would even use it.

Aside from all the fancy tech and features, I like that it has an actual case/shell, which is a nice upgrade over the hobbyist bundled together look of the OSSC. (Call me shallow but that has always bothered me about the OSSC)

And then of course we have the Pixel FX Morph coming out at some point.. which is going to have even more features than this. At this point, between these two scalers, the OSSC Pro is looking pretty damn pointless.

>>7696489
It shows.

>>7696465
>Down-convert
no, never ever. If 480i you are cutting lines and if 480p.... you are fucking cutting out lines.
The entire point of the 5x is the way it handles everything so you don't need all the OSSC options. Besides in most cases the default OSSC options for each scale was best and dicking around shouldn't be needed.

>>7696731
Playing on real hardware is just better if you can afford it imo, sure emulation is awesome, but nothing will ever beat real hardware.

>>7696531
Technically interlaced is already delayed. That is the point, it keeps the native interlace delay but combines it. The xrgbmini was keeping the delay but had itself a native delay. Those two together were just long enough for people to autism about.

>>7696553
I don't have much hope the OSSC pro or PFXM will be much better than just using what exists or the Tink5x. We are hitting a hard limit and these devices are releasing too early. If they waited for Intel (or anyone) to make a better fpga(or any soc) maybe we could see a true leap that we need.

>>doesn't know how to reply to other posts
>Kill yourself newfag

>>7696724
This was also for you >>7696759

>>7696724
I have plenty of CRTs. But I also have high res crts and OLEDs that with BFI and even a lowly OSSC make shit look almost too good. I am maybe a few OLED (or micro led even) revisions away from ditching my PVMs, pc monitors, and hd arcade crt sets. Sinden light guns for the one thing I really need my tubes for.

>>7696759
I think the OSSC pro and the Pixel FX Morph are going to have digital input, which opens up some interesting possibilities. Send over the regular analog video along with digital audio via toslink (such as from the ps2 or there are a handful of consoles with digital audio mods). Or send over digital video/audio via HDMI from a console with a HDMI mod or maybe a fpga system if you want to use an external scaler rather than the internal scaler, which you may want to do if these external scalers have any extra functionality or more advance features.

>>7696743
>Besides in most cases the default OSSC options for each scale was best and dicking around shouldn't be needed.
That's only true for lazy people.

>Framemeister death
Finally

>All units ship from the factory with the version 1.01 firmware, which is necessary to install anti-piracy measures.
the fuck is this?

>>7696743
>>Down-convert
>no, never ever. If 480i you are cutting lines and if 480p.... you are fucking cutting out lines.
The only reason I can think of where it would be acceptable to "down-convert" would be if the game was originally 240p and you're playing a port or an emulated version released on other system where it is being output at 480i. While it may not always be possible, the ideal solution would be to just go and play the original version and not the crappy port/emulated version.

>>7696743
>The RT5X contains an experimental 240p downscale option
that will output 240p from 480i, 480p and 720p sources.
Can you kindly stop talking out of your ass now?

>>7696448
Why would I regret getting an ossc, it was a lot cheaper than this and I got it years ago. This is like saying that this year's new OLED tvs are going to have buyers of 2016 vizio LCDs on suicide watch. Like yeah, looks like it could be better in some ways. I should hope so seeing as it came out like 4+ years later and costs $100 more.

If we're being real though I dont really give a shit either way cause I just ended up getting a CRT again, scalers are kind of a cope

>>7696378
Is this analogue to digital or vice versa or both?
Can this downscale a 480i+ source and force it to 240p?

>>7696823
I have a CRT that I am pretty happy with and the current plan is to do most of my retro gaming on the thing until it eventually dies, which point I will finally "let go" of the old display tech and shift entirely over to using scalers or whatever on flat panel screens.

>>7696841
https://36c4ce24-ea9e-4fcf-85dd-62475fa3b38c.usrfiles.com/ugd/36c4ce_4b9e4ea9ecd14b4b88fd3f84a38707a4.pdf
All details on 240p downscaling is on page 10.

>>7696848
>480i sources are converted to 240p by shifting the odd and even fields together spatially.
Won't that jitter really badly?

>>7696862
We'll have to wait and see. I'll probably wait for the OSSC Pro, myself.

Why would you ever early adopt a retrotink?
the 2x had awful audio initially

>>7696917
Wait for the reviews

>>7696937
Unfortunately audio frequently gets glossed over. I bet most of the reviews of this thing won't even mention audio, whether there are issues or not.

>>7696378
I still have the first Retrotink should I save up some money and upgrade to this?

>>7696958
Ask Mike on twitter, he is always responding.

>>7696969
Hello sir, can you tell me on this public platform if your brand new product has really shitty audio quality. Thanks, sincerely anon

>>7696976
>If your
I wish...

>>7696976
Hi this Mike, no the audio on the RetroTINK-5X Pro is perfect in every way possible. If you experience any audio issues this is likely due to you using a shitty SHART cable, lol

>>7696378
>>7696416
>Cost is: $275 + $65 shipping. Please be advised that you will be charged approximately £50 for VAT duties.

>>7696378
Currently my OSSC setup is line x5, 1600 x 1200. Why do I need to dump it and spend £275 on this?

>>7697004
Well, if you have an OSSC already and are happy with its performance you may not need this. The new retrotink is suppose to have better deinterlacing, it should handle re-syncing better, and it has some presets or profiles for different consoles that make it easier to "dial in" optimized video for different resolutions. Also composite and s-video inputs.

Wow, is that a marketing thread? Neat.

>>7696378
>adds SCART for yuro-shekels
>it's placed on the wrong side, the cable goes to the front with any normal cable
>yuros sucking his cock on twitter anyway
USA #1

>>7696378
Why should I pay 300 for this when I can make a modded GBS-8200 + vga2hdmi for 1/4th of that?

Are upscalers even worth it if I play ps1 games on my ps3?

>>7696378
>no 2160p
why would I migrate from my perfectly fine poorfag gbs-control without 4k support

>>7696439
gbs does this for a fraction of the price lmao
diy-/vr/ masterrace

>>7696448
>and GBS/OSSC is shit dated garbage.
moron

>>7696462
giving money to the American retro-vidya-discord-posse around voultar, retrorgb and mikechi.

>>7696510
you can't get that kind of features (like no syncloss when switching between 240p and 480i) with 0 lag, that's impossible.
and if 0.25f lag is annoying you, well, that's on you.

If the rt5x is $300 already, how much will be stuff like the PixelFX Morph with is HDMI-in or the OSSC Pro?
jfc.

>>7696531
>The first custom developed FPGA-based Motion Adaptive Deinterlacing algorithm specifically for games to make 480i titles shine without adding lag or flicker.
lol funny thing is he just started programming FPGA last year (he said so in one of his tweets)
expect bugs, lots of bugs.

>>7696724
>the OSSC Pro is looking pretty damn pointless.
it will be opensource, which is nice. for some. and the chinese. lol.

>>7696798
he learned from the chinese cloning the rt2x en masse

>>7696969
no, he's not, lol.
he's only responding to fanboy-postings sucking his cock.
check his latest youtube video, questions about features and issues remain unanswered.
same thing on his twitter-feed, only replying to his fanbois.

>>7697178
all the licenses, the upgraded software-stuff and hardware for 4K is still prohibitively expensive right now.
marqs (OSSC) somewhere said it adds 10k just for developing, selling that stuff is much more expensive.

>>7697178
>no clockgen-mod
do you even gbs

>>7696378
I don't know why people even bother. Without the CRT there is no point for retro consoles to exist. Throw them all in the landfill.

>>7697163
the fucker didn't know scart cables were already RGB in the 90s
his excuse for inverted socket is literally I FORGOT LMAO ALSO I HAVE SCART TROLOLOL

>>7697276
>AHHHHHHHH A NEW PRODUCT TO BUY I HAVE TO CONSOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!

>>7697276
>AHHHHHHHH A NEW PRODUCT TO BUY I HAVE TO CONSOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!

>>7697416
>being this poor

>>7697314
he uses some chinkshit cable for his tests which goes straight from the connector, unlike 99% of all other scart-cable in use lol
advanced trolling right there

>>7697276
Mike just started making line-doublers because he wanted to —those other ecelebs just attached themselves to him. The 2X was a pretty big deal when it came out, nothing was as cheap or good.
>>7696489
>Limited run of 275 units

1440p... people don't understand the benefits of it, it means a 6x integer scales for 240p games and 3x integer scale for 480p/i games.

If you have a monitor or a tv that supports 1440p you should absolutely take advantage of it and buy this, if you can't output 1440p though... well, let's just say it's a shame to spend so much money for something you will not be able to exploit his full potential.

>>7696378
>still no power button
Does this motherfucker just hate people with automatic HDMI switchers?

>$275 for an emulator
yikes

>>7697709
Low quality bait

>>7697604
>>Limited run of 275 units
that's the AIO
pcb-files and bom for that are on github, make one yourself.

>>7697604
>Mike just started making line-doublers because he wanted to —those other ecelebs just attached themselves to him.
yeah, right, sure, lol. I'm sure sending out devices to voultar and retrorgb was a pure accident, too.
>The 2X was a pretty big deal when it came out, nothing was as cheap or good
nothing else was ignoring RGB-input either.

>>7697696
lmao don't get so angry, it's just a toy

>>7697178
because the gbs-control looks like fucking garbage

>>7696378
>IT'S HAPPENING!!!!

>>7697296
/thread
Imagine spending time and money to get sharp pixels on your LCD while you could just download mame or whatever and get the EXACT same result by disabling bilinear filtering. It's not like coomlectors really care about the games and would be bothered by a frame or two of input lag.

>>7697964
based Uenoposter

How do these sorts of devices work on VRR displays? When emulating, retroarch has a setting for synching frames to native console timings when using a VRR display which goes a long way to both reducing input delay and being more accurate. Im not sure how these devices typically handing synching

>>7696917
>>7696958
If that's true couldn't you just run the audio separately from the 5x? I guess you might get a pretty noticable desync

>>7697967
R...retrobros we got too cocky

This is cool but I already have the GBSC & it works really well. It can output 1080p, has motion adaptive deinterlacing, and a good scanline filter for 240p games.

How much do you think this will sell for on ebay? $500?

>>7697276
>it will be opensource
I forgot about that, but the OSSC has been available for years, has ANYONE actually helped contribute to developing it aside from the main guy? There is the person in the UK that manufactures the things and anytime someone else makes and sells the OSSC the UK guy loses his shit and whines that they are making poor counterfeits.

What's the word up 411 diggy-down lowdown on that 240p downscale support in comparison to the GBS-C?

>>7697276
>you can't get that kind of features (like no syncloss when switching between 240p and 480i) with 0 lag, that's impossible.
I didn't fucking say that! don't put words in people's mouths you fucking dipshit mongoloid!

So this thing will do 4.5 scaling with a 240p source to get you a 1080p image with nothing cut off. That's the default on most of the Analogue fpga consoles and looks good with the interpolation turned on. I wonder how this will compare.

>people are excited about downscaling
Why? If you really wanted proper analog video downscaling there have been options available for years with a single frame of lag and perfect video quality
Just genlock a framesync to 240p signal. Only thing you gotta look out for is that your model is capable of 60 progressive frames per second

>>7697797
It's hard to imagine caring this much about something so trivial.
also:
>rgb
Sounds like you fell for the Youtubers yourself friend.

>>7696378
That's cool. I'm good with my old console upscaler from the early 00's.

>>7698140
>Make something open source
>get mad when other people make it
so stupid — they're all over AliExpress by the way.

>>7698297
The emotia can cost $1,000+, and it's rare as fuck, and has more lag than the GBS-C does. You can do a VSC+RXI combo, but that's not true 240p, has at least 1 frame of lag, and costs $300+.

>>7697967
Imagine this guy's LOW-T score.

>>7698319
You do realize there's other companies that make video equipment besides Extron, right?
Sony, JVC, Snell & Wilcox, Grass Valley are just a few that come to mind. For 480i-to-240p you can get a device from back in the early 80's even. 480p-to-240p is a more 90's thing though.

>>7698389
Good point, but would you mind mentioning some specific models?

Also, I think having a modern device with this capability is still great news for people worried about wear and tear.

>>7698389
I have one of those NEC Line Doublers that's a heavy flat grey brick. It outputs S-Video. I like it.

>>7696823
I don't regret getting the OSSC, it looks quite nice and a huge step up from my old TVs native input, but has a lot of downsides:
- no support for composite/s-video (can't use it with NES or C64)
- deinterlacing looks like ass (makes all 480i PS1/Saturn games nearly unplayable)
- requires tinkering with anything other than standard SNES/Genesis timings (Saturn output has artifacts due to this)
- line3x and higher modes don't work with many TVs since they use nonstandard timing

This retrotink thing looks like it will finally be an all-in-one solution. I might consider buying one, if I'll have the money when it comes out.
But by then the new OSSC will be also out, so I'll have to check whichever works better. So far I like the 5x more because it has a proper fucking shell instead of a pcb with an acrylic top and bottom.

>>7698428
cope more

>>7698428
>deinterlacing looks like ass (makes all 480i PS1/Saturn games nearly unplayable)
Wow, glad I never got one of those.
If I needed one I think I'd get this newer retrotink. It looks good for the price. However I just don't see my self needing one yet.
I have a Denon A/V receiver that does an excelent job upscalling. And an upscaler from the mid 00's that sold for about $1200 that does an even better job.

don't forget to also buy ossc pro and get excited about new products

>>7698428
OSSC is lagless though, and you can solve most problems with enough technical know-how.

Just buy a shitty laptop and emulate for this fucking price.

>>7698428
>But by then the new OSSC will be also out
The new retrotink is going to be available on Saturday and is shipping the same day apparently. I don't have the time to dig through the huge OSSC Pro thread on shmups to see what the current estimates are for its release, I believe some prototype OSSC Pro hardware has been produced and sent out to some people for testing, but it seems like they are still some ways from a release.

>>7698448
Just stop drinking so much ONIONS

>>7698447
I can't exactly solve issues like lack of composite input or the thing being incompatible with my TV, unless I spend money on new hardware, and getting the new tink is cheaper than getting an entire new TV. Not to mention the effort needed to switch the TV out (it's a 20 kilo plasma display bolted to a wall mount). The retrotink sounds like it can handle all my hardware without needing any extra converters or cables. The only feature it is missing is VGA output so I can use it as a doubler for my old CRT monitor, but the OSSC can't do that either without extra hardware (and most HDMI to VGA converters are ass).

>>7698440
The OSSC did make the picture look way better on my TV, but it took so much tinkering and it really only does half of its job. It's a step down compared to the Framemeister.

>>7698428
>So far I like the 5x more because it has a proper fucking shell instead of a pcb with an acrylic top and bottom.
THIS.

However, to be fair, the OSSC has the little display on the front and the retrink doesn't, so that is kind of a downgrade, not a big deal for most people, especially people looking for a plug and plug experience, which is the goal of this device, but when I switch over to the retrotink I'll miss having the screen on the front with info on the input signal, that was neat.

Just emulate mang

>>7696378
>5x
>Up to 1440p output

We'll that would be 6x, right? Does that mean this thing doesn't do 6x scaling, and will just output to 1440p for compatability with monitors, so you get a 5x scale with borders? Maybe it's only ideal for 480i and 480p content, which would be a 3x scale?

I mean, why not call it the Retrotink 6x if this is a launch feature?

>>7698562
5x scaled into a 1440p frame.

>>7698567
I wonder how the different modes then would compare on a 4K screen.
1080p 5x overscan mode
vs
1440p 5x scaled to frame mode.

Your 4K TV should be able to do a simple double on each axis to 4K, and the output should be clean, but a 5x scale internally, and than the TV scaling 1440p to it's frame might look odd.

>>7698140
>has ANYONE actually helped contribute to developing it aside from the main guy?
codewise probably not, as fpga ain't the easiest shit, but certainly with ideas and debugging.
i.e. that thread right now on shmups for ossc pro is active with some guys using a de10nano as a makeshit-prototype, if I read it correctly

>>7698140
>the OSSC the UK guy loses his shit and whines that they are making poor counterfeits.
fairly sure he's just pissed off that the chiense are also copying the manual and logo VGP has made, and which is not open and then people hit the vgp-forum searching for support for their chink-ossc.
not cool, imho.

>>7698305
You forgot to attach your wojak-image, composhit-faggot.

>gets a decent crt tv
>mogs all you faggots and your bullshit

>>7698767
Good for you

shitposting aside I need to see a review of this thing

>>7696378
why does anyone need this? if I'm gonna play games on an lcd I'll just emulate

>>7698981
Some of us want to play our original hardware on tv's that aren't 20+ years old.

>>7698140
>There is the person in the UK that manufactures the things and anytime someone else makes and sells the OSSC the UK guy loses his shit and whines that they are making poor counterfeits.

Do you mean bucko? Yeah, his shilling can be hilarious sometime.

>>7698763
>composhit-faggot.
The C64 and Famicom never had RGB output.

>>7698781
totally independent and objective retrorgb will have one up, just like MVG.

>>7698763
I only play composite native consoles. And seriously anon, RGB is a literal eceleb meme, you cannot win.

I don't get faggots turning this into a console war thing. It's great to have more options.
>>7698754
There's also compatibility issues. One of the most recent firmwares has issues with the flash controller that the chinkshit clones use. Not their fault, it's out of spec, but they're still getting people bitching on the forums.

>>7696526
are you so insecure about your "authentic experience" autism that you need a safe place from based emu chads who will never quit reminding you of what a dumb faggot you are?

How long until the chinks clone this? 300 dollars is too rich for my blood. I work at Chic fil a

>>7699945
it has read protected and encrypted firmware so not any time soon
would be funny if it happens tho

>no 4k
>drm firmware
>300 dollars
I'll stick with my OSSC.

"The ossc cant do 480i" is a meme honestly. 480i x4, alternating scanlines, upsample 2x. It basically just looks like you are playing on a big actual crt. If you cant handle interlaced video then I would suggest being born before 1995.

>>7696378
will the ps2 finally be usable on modern display?

>>7700045
>want to play 8, 16 and 32 bit games
>where is 4k
Guys, come on

>>7700116
everyone who's using these scalers are probably integrating them into 4k home theater setups and generally care about video quality. What's the point of scaling something to 1080p/1440p if your TV is gonna do it's own funky scaling to get it to 4k? If tvs were known to do good scaling we wouldn't even have devices like this.

Wake me up when something that's 4K native and 2.1 ready exists
>>7696439
I wonder what the fuck Micomsoft has been doing for the last few years? Can they not afford to engineer an XRGB successor or something?

>>7696378
>The retrotink 5x-pro

>7700250
you're late

>>7700067
Bob deinterlacing is awful for captured video though, I wouldn't stream that shit. I use a Startech component amplifier so I can use my CRT for gameplay, and my Framemeister for game capture.

>>7700105
yes, if the claim of motion adaptive interlacing with no lag is true, then this is it for us ps2fags

So there's a 6x line mode for 240p, and a 3x mode for 480p — Why is nobody talking about this amazing feature?

>>7700347
so basically for any normal, non gay people who enjoy playing video games without being on camera, the ossc is totally fine for 480i

>>7700385
its already been mentioned in this thread that it's because it's not a true 1440p it's a 5x multiplied 240p output scaled to a 1440 frame

>>7700196
>4K native
4K is a meme

Hey OP, cool ad. Not interested in your product. Try reading into how a normal person posts for like 2 minutes before shilling your garbage next time.

>>7700492
brave and powerful
tellem b ro tell em t tru

>>7700406
So 3x 480p is 2x 480p scaled into 1440p?

>>7700519
No, it’s 240p x5

>>7700492
based schizo

>>7696724
When is the PixelFX Morph supposed to come out? And what other features will it have that are supposedly better than the OSSC Pro or Tink 5x Pro?

>>7700528
Yeah, are there any official sources confirming that it's 5x being scaled into 1440p? I see a quote from Mike Chi saying it's not called the 6x because it's too finicky in that mode, that gives me the assumption that it's true 6x, since scaling would have a buffer involved.

>>7700547
Not that I know of. Maybe Voultar mentioned something.

>paying 300 for a glorified gbs8200

>>7700378
>Latency Approx. 0.25 frames in frame lock, 0.25 to 1.25 in triple buffered mode

>>7700545
here's their list of planned features:
https://www.pixelfx DOT co/content/morph_roadmap.html

biggest difference to the 5x is obviously hdmi-input (which the ossc pro will have too)

>>7697035
>presets or profiles for different consoles that make it easier to "dial in" optimized video for different resolutions
The OSSC has that now.

SANTO SUBITO

>>7700829
based mike

>>7700067
This, I've never understood the complaint. It's not a super clean deinterlace but it's instant, which is the point. And if you hate it that much you can set the OSSC to passthrough for 480i and have the TV deinterlace it. I'm sure the Super Retrotink 5X Pro Hyper Fighting will give more pleasing results but people are acting like it's the first to do anything watchable with 480i.

>>7696378
i too intend to preorder my retroblonk-69 for $379.99

>>7700067
>>7700865
Nobody ever said it can't do it, just that bob-deinterlace sucks, especially on flatscreens.

Can someone please explain like I'm 5. Will this do a good job on all the major consoles up to and including xbox? I've heard the old models don't, and all the technical jargon is too much for my smooth brain. Thanks.

>>7701030
Unlike prior Retrotinks this one's trying to be the high end all-in-one. Older ones were generally aiming to do one specific type of hardware well. This is positioned more like an OSSC or Framemeister to be the one device to scale your whole hardware selection. If it delivers as promised, it should be good for more recent systems. Particularly the PS2.

>>7699865
a
fucking
android-tv-chinkbox-remote
lol

>>7701097
Did you really think he would have ordered custom remotes for this? Of course not, a generic controller works just as well

>>7696378

>The first automatic optimal phase algorithm to produce the sharpest image with zero adjustments needed beyond selecting the base mode.
>The first custom developed FPGA-based Motion Adaptive Deinterlacing algorithm specifically for games to make 480i titles shine without adding lag or flicker.
>The first high resolution (1080p and above) video scaler that is capable of covering virtually all analog inputs: composite, S-video, component and RGB out of the box.
>Fully compliant CEA-861 standard 1080p modes to maximize compatibility across displays and capture cards.
>High quality polyphase scaling at both integer and non-integer factors for sharp pixels without shimmer.
>Seamless handling of resolution switches for drop free gaming on titles that switch between 240p and 480i.
>Optimal Sampling Modes: SNES/TG16 256, Genesis/Saturn/PS1 320, NEOGEO 320, N64 386, Saturn 352, PS1 384
>Scaler: Polyphase interpolation (Bilinear Sharp and Bilinear)
>Deinterlacer: Motion Adaptive, Weave, Bob, Blend, CRT simulation
>Scanline Generation: Multiple types, adjustable intensity
>Latency: ~0.25 frames in Framelock, 0.25 to 1.25 frames in Triple Buffering

>>7701198
Chink chi doest it again, osscunts seething forever

>>7700067
Bob de-interlace makes the video jitter way too much, whereas on a real CRT designed for interlaced video, it blends more.

>>7701198

Don't know what any of that means

>>7699493
Funny you post this because arcade machines use RGB

>>7701292
And you have many in your house I'm sure

>>7701312
Got RGB cables for all my systems of course
But no arcade machines yet as I live in a small appartment in Paris, maybe some day
Thanks for asking

>>7701097
Same deal with the OSSC's remote. You go with what's available, these devices would be prohibitively expensive if they were all bespoke gear.

>>7701346
This

>>7701346
>>7701152
at least there's an overlay for the ossc-remote.
wtf is the mousebutton on the rt5x for?
lmao

>>7701198
>>The first automatic optimal phase algorithm to produce the sharpest image with zero adjustments needed
nice
>beyond selecting the base mode.
lmao, so like OSSC with its profiles
>The first high resolution (1080p and above) video scaler that is capable of covering virtually all analog inputs: composite, S-video, component and RGB out of the box.
So, like the Framemeister?
- composhit and s-video on the device
- RGB with the jp21-adapter
- component with the d-terminal-adapter

>>7701453
frameister is outdated shit with issues on latest firmware
retrotonk is better, but not 300+tip+tax+shipping better than some other solutions

>>7701453
>wtf is the mousebutton on the rt5x for?
Same thing as the DVD player controls on my OSSC remote.

Kek, it has already sold out

>>7696378
>$275
What the fuck happene, retrochinks used to be cheap. I'll just use my chinese 2x clone, thanks.

>>7696510

>>7698767
>gets a wife
>she trashes all your CRTs so you need a scaler

>>7696378
Its like you zoomers are from another planet. Planet dipshit. I dont think I've even talked to a zoomer who actually knows anything about videogames. It's all about collecting, crts, and YouTube. Oh and speedruns. Yea, speedruns... another idiotic zoomculture obsession that not a single real gamer I know of gives two shits about. Point is, fuck yourself. The end.

>>7701198
>Latency: ~0.25 frames in Framelock, 0.25 to 1.25 frames in Triple Buffering
Into the trash it goes!

>>7701558
Wtf? If not memeing here dump that whore nigga

>>7701573
Women hate CRTs. No way around it. Unless you have a big house with a dedicated retro game room or whatever where she doesn't have to enter. If I dump her I'll just suffer alone for a while and be starved for sex, and the next woman in my life will be the same anyway so why bother. You get to a point where you just chug along. Life sucks.

>>7701589
Ok, maybe i just dont have a lot of experience dealing with women, but i dont get it. Why would you hate an object? Like if it was a weird statue or some visually unnapealing thing id get it, but a crt that is just used for the hobby of your significant other? Idk man seems to me that your wife just doesn't respect your hobbies, i'll give it 10 years max until a divorce.

>>7701539
What does it say in your imagine in bright red letters, literally under the "out of stock" button?

>>7701561
>Its like you zoomers are from another planet. Planet dipshit. I dont think I've even talked to a zoomer who actually knows anything about videogames. It's all about collecting, crts, and YouTube. Oh and speedruns. Yea, speedruns... another idiotic zoomculture obsession that not a single real gamer I know of gives two shits about. Point is, fuck yourself. The end.
What's your point boomer? Why are you so filled with anger?

>>7701589
Just get a small 14 incher, women love the... small Trinitron style.

>>7696378
>hdmi output
>not vga
Into the trash it goes. I'm not playing my retro games on lcd garbage.

>>7701636
I assume you're using a CRT monitor at 640x480, why not get an X-RGB2 for that?

>>7701550
The chinese 2X clones cost more than a real one.

>>7701550
Not trying to shill or anything, but this price is a great deal for what you're getting. If you think it's too expensive, they have a product for you — it's called the Retrotink 2x.

>>7701492
what dvd-player controls?

>>7701754
The fast forward, rewind, volume up/down and next/previous buttons that go completely unused.

>>7701539
>posting from the future
give me the lottery-numbers

>>7701453
>wtf is the mousebutton on the rt5x for?
It's rather obvious.

>>7701613
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE GET THIS OLD THING OUTTA HERE I WANT MY HOUSE TO LOOK MODERN AND TIDDY

That's basically it, they don't understand the appeal of CRT gaming. They just think it's wasting space. So if you live in an apartment for example and they have to stare at it everyday they hate it.

>>7701627
You can get by I guess if you can tuck it in a hidden corner somewhere.
"My little retro corner" or something like that.

>>7701613
They'll respect your hobbies until they feel it affects their projected wellbeing by any means. Then you either concede or divorce. And what's the point of divorcing if they'll all be the same anyway? So you just live with it.

>>7701568
Anyone who is using an lcd already cares nothing for input lag. 0.25 frame additional lag is not significant if you don't care.

>>7700829
all these Retro Tink shills

>>7701558
What a shitty wife you have.

>>7701453
>wtf is the mousebutton on the rt5x for
Who cares? I’ll be cloning my universal to use with it instead.

>>7701760
5 19 27 34 9 + 3 8

>>7702041
I know, thanks.

>>7701568
It’s literally 4 milliseconds.

>>7701914
Sure if you're running a plasma or LCD from ten years ago but many modern LCDs and OLEDs have incredibly low lag in game mode now. The original Tink was lagless just like the OSSC, no reason to not have a lag-free mode option.

>>7702326
Many insist they can feel that; it's exactly like 30+ year old audiophiles who think they can hear frequencies not offered by CD quality audio.

>>7702347
Yeah, there are lag free modes. They're called bob deinterlacing and weave deinterlacing. Like an earlier anon said, lag free motion adaptive is *impossible* unless it were to pull information from the future. The fact that its less than a single frame of lag is a mind boggling achievement considering the computations and processing involved.

>>7703005
If there's 4ms-20ms baked in, it's not lag free.

>>7703163
This is why I'm waiting on the OSSC Pro, I just hope it has 4ms of lag for motion adaptive deinterlacing, as well as 6x 240p and 3x 480p support.

>>7703180
Will it have a lag-free processing mode like the 2X and original OSSC for 240p as well?

>>7703212
Yes it will, I've been messaging Matt alot about the specific details.

>>7703234
Nice. I wonder how crazy the price will be.

>>7703275
>Nice. I wonder how crazy the price will be.
Probably around $500

>>7703163
>>7703180

You tards going on about tips of iceberg when your LCD is lagged all to hell before you even hook up a converter.

>>7703601
>he doesn't emulate
>he doesn't also play on CRT
>he doesn't also use upscalers
Fucking casuals I swear.

>>7703601
>You tards going on about tips of iceberg when your LCD is lagged all to hell before you even hook up a converter.
I only play weeaboo turn-based JRPGs, lag is less of a concern then seeing my beautiful anime pixel art in the most prestigious quality possible. Checkmate.

>>7703406
You might think this is a high price but dedicated home theater video processors from companies like DVDO and Rotel went for nearly two grand brand new
The entire reason people got into Micomsoft stuff is cause they were way way cheaper

>>7703959
This is something people forget a lot when discussing these devices. They're unique in both specificity of feature set and most importantly, price. Something like say, a high end RGB to component transcoder isn't unique. A modern new production one you don't need to take out a home loan for is. Same with these scalers. It's new solutions, not first solutions.

>>7696749
It's been objectively proven that the Framemeister had 1.5F lag with deinterlacing on. Pretty much nobody is going to notice that in a blind test, except speed runners. Really weird how people kept crying about it for so long

>>7700105
It's perfectly playable on the Framemeister.

>>7700378
it adds about 1F lag according to the product page. This is about half a frame less than the Framemeister.

>>7703601
Everybody knows that line x5 at1600 x 1200 on a old monitor is the way to go.

people complain about the cost of pvms but you have to spend just as much (as I paid for mine) to get games to work right on a tv anyway?

I'll just play on my CRT tv thx.

>>7704416
>buy expensive analog-to-digital-converter to use on a flatscreen
>enable scanlines
never understood this meme, scanlines are an unwanted but necessary sideeffect of displaying 240p on crts.
it's like wanting PNGs to look blocky or movies to look like vhs. just weird.

>>7704583
You dont understand anon, it's because scanlines are so SOVLFVL™.

>>7696378
AHH i just bought a 2x pro last summer fuck me.
Looks like I shouldve held out for this.
Is there still a market for used 2X? maybe i could recoup some of my money

>>7704583
scanlines are like film grain, for some people old games look weird without them

>>7704876
Ebay?

>>7704583
The thing is that if you ever play these games on a CRT, the pixels don't fucking exist. The way they are drawn to the screen is more like dots, which end up being a bit more rectangular with curved edges, but vary in whether they're taller or eider based in the resolution, and they don't run up against each other in a hard binary way, they kind of blend off, and even the scanlines get some of that.

So when I scale the same game to a modern display and the whole thing looks like some giant Tiger Electronics handheld but in color, it just looks terrible. Big ass square pixels all perfectly numbing up against each other creating some kind of PlaySkool puzzle for toddlers. It looks like shit.

Bad scanlines look worse though, but if you get ones that understand the concept of blending the space, it can help out the image a lot.

>>7704876
>Is there still a market for used 2X
not since the chinese been cloning them like mad LOL

>>7704994
>The thing is that if you ever play these games on a CRT, the pixels don't fucking exist.
but then playing them on hdtv with supersharp image isn't the smartest thing to do.
the 5x has no smoothing, so scanlines are supposed to "hide" the sharpness? ok, lol.

>>7703180
The OSSC Pro is going to be a real scaler instead of a line doubler, just like going from the old Retrotink to this new 5x pro. That means it has a frame buffer.

The frame buffer adds some amount of lag, always, but in the Retrotink's case, it's 4 ms, which is 0.25 of a frame of a 60 fps output. You won't fucking notice it, and it would even be hard to pick out with a dual output with the images side by side.

With interlaced content, it only draws 1 field in that same 16 ms, regardless of whether the content is intended to be 30 or 60 frames per second, which means you always get half resolution, or half an image on the very first frame, which means for motion adaptive to work, you need two whole fields rendered.

So think like this: for 240p content, a CRT draws each dot to the screen instantaneously, until it fills up the screen, which takes about 16 ms. An LCD doesn't draw the screen like that, it only outputs when it has the full image, so, using a scaler, it will show nothing until 16 ms (or 20 ms if you account for a 4 ms frame buffer on either a Retrotink or your television).

For 480i content, a CRT will draw all the dots for 240 lines of the image in 16 ms, and then go back to the top and spend the same amount of time drawing the dots for the other 240 lines, taking about 33ms in total, but drawing images instantaneously.

Your LCD will draw based on the de-interlace method. Using a bob method, it will work just like the CRT, it will display half the image after 16 ms, and the other half after 33 ms. Motion Adaptive needs both fields to work, so it waits for both fields before it draws anything, so this means, in general, a 33 ms draw time, plus 4 ms for the frame buffer, so 37 ms, which is about 20 ms longer than when you would first see something on a CRT or with a bob de-interlace.

However, you would see the complete image at about the same time, and one of them would look a lot better.

>>7705018
For one, it does have smoothing as an option, and two, yes, good scanlines can blend the image a bit, but I haven't seen the 5x scanlines, so they could be total shit.

The GBS-C does an okay job with its scanline feature. At normal sitting distance it helps 240p a lot.

>>7705071
not all flat displays use page flip.

>>7704374
Didn't Framemeister get an update and drop to 18 ms a while back?

>he put the SCART port upside down making the cable point opposite to the rest of the cables
for fucks sake Mike

>>7705561
his response was legit TROLOLOL I HATE SHART LMAO

>>7705594
>just put it in the very back of your setup bro
>ignore the fact that I put buttons on it
>it would've taken me months to flip this bro just be grateful

>>7705617
just coonsoome

>>7705617
>there's gonna be 40 dollar "SCART flipping dongles" on sale because of this
he's just helping out the retro gaming economy guys

>>7705617
lol scart BTFO

>>7703406
Waiting for Chinese copies of OSSC Pro or the other new ones. Only a matter of time.

>>7705561
>>7705594
>>7705617
See: >>7697163

>>7705794
>Chinese copies of Open Source hardware
uh, ok.

>>7705617
...sigh, outlook not so good on RGBHV and RGsB then.

>>7705902
Pretty sure he already said RGBHV wasn't happening. He's been telling Dreamcast owners to just buy those SCART cables with the switches on them.

>>7705902
be glad there's rgbs at all, it was just added at the eleventh hour to get euro-shekels.

>>7700630
>gbs8200
Here's your scaler faggot, enjoy

>>7706383
>Should be renamed to GBS-Composite

>>7706375
>be glad there's rgbs at all
The XRGB-2 had RGBs through JP-21, and that was released in the 90s for fuck's sake.

>>7706968
JP SCART for the Japanese market makes sense, SCART for the European market makes sense, SCART on a device for the North American market doesn't make sense.

>>7696456
just get the parts for the gbs control for like 40 bucks and do it yourself, retard

>>7701198
>Seamless handling of resolution switches for drop free gaming on titles that switch between 240p and 480i.
This is the biggest one for me. Can't play Chrono Cross on my big TV without drops.

bros...

>>7696378
>Solutions
yikes

The SCART port doesn't accept RGBHV or RGsB, I am sad.

>>7707142
its also backwards lmao

>>7707142
why would you need rgbhv? what console used that?

>>7707150
Every late 90s to early 2000s PC.... and Dreamcast. PS2 can do RGsB, it's the highest quality signal.

>>7707172
>PS2 can do RGsB, it's the highest quality signal.

>>7707187
Yup, not sure why you're greentexting a fact of life.

>>7701198

>>7704416
sounds like a chud move

>>7706961
it looks like garbage on every single output. I have no idea how people are even using this trash or saying it's an alternative to the OSSC

>>7706968
That was when 15k monitors were more common. Notice how the 2+ dropped the feature and none of their scalers since have had it? There's a reason for that.

>>7705471
1F is 17ms rounded up. It only lags more than that in deinterlace mode.

5 x 480p = 2400p

this new device is outputting too high a resolution for even 4k monitors and televisions

>>7701198
>0.25 to 1.25 frames
>notice they don't use the standard measurements of milliseconds
>red flag

>RetroRGB measures this turd to natively have 14ms of VARIABLE input lag
>$275 + shipping
What a fucking joke, might as well just emulate on PC at that point.
Just wait for the OSSC Pro.

>>7707725
If you have compatible displays, you can have as low as 3ms of input lag. the variable input lag is for poor fags who can't afford better displays or capture cards.

>>7707725
I also just watched the video from RetroRGB. At the very end when he showed comparisons between the RetroTINK 5x and the OSSC, the OSSC looked better. That bothered me. Something about 4:4:4 versus 4:2:2. Someone please explain.

>>7707785
I'm not an expert, but I'll try to explain to the best of my knowledge. 4:4:4 is the colour subsampling native to the RGB colour space, there's no additional processing of colours needed if using this mode, as everything is 1:1. Since component doesn't carry raw data for green in its signal, it derives green from the difference between the information it has on blue and red — this results in an initially limited colourspace which HAS the potential to look as good as RGB, but usually doesn't since there are so many factors involved in transcoding. So at the end of the day, scalers like the Framemeister and Retrotink 5x(operating in 4:2:2 are going to look different from the OSSC, but they're not necessarily wrong, just different...

>>7707785
Thought this might help.

>>7704583
Sounds like someone who has never experienced the glory vhs. Anyway i prefer my films on Laserdisc and my music on vinyl.

>>7706995
Given SCART's de facto standard status for RGB out of consoles these days it makes a lot of sense for a device intended to be a high end all-in-one solution.

>>7707725
>Retard who doesn't understand that 16.67ms == 1 frame
This is simple math. You're retarded or disingenuous. Which is it?

>>7707973
>Dunning–Kruger: The Post

>>7701312
Yea basically, it's called a Dreamcast, ya know the one who uses the controller in your pic
VGA is RGB and it was a big feature

>>7707725
>Implying 16ms isn't 1 frame at 60Hz
>Implying the OSSC Pro will do better
>Not sure if idiot or shitposting

>>7708059
>all that implying
100% sure idiot shitposting

>>7708029
VGA is not 15khz RGB over SCART. Dreamcast outputs 31khz over VGA and uses H/V sync.

>>7708006
>Retardation: The Post
(1000 ms/s) / (60 frames/s) = 16.67 ms/frame, this is very basic math and you are very basically retarded
https://inputlag.com/what-is-input-lag/
Please log off this website, no retards allowed

>>7706383
>year old video

Yeah I'll be waiting for the OSSC pro for better 480i. retrochink stuff always sucks.

>>7708272
and? doesn't change the fact that the gbs-c is an absolutely garbage-tier scaler on a hardware level.

>>7708707
outdated comparison with flawed methodology

>>7696378
Mike shit you fucking bugmen ass

5 minutes until it's on sale, any predictions on how long it'll take for it to sell out?

>It's not sold out immediately
Lmao, the OSSC Pro will be sold out in 2 seconds.

>>7709017
There isn’t any solid information on the OSSC Pro let alone a price.

Took 7 minutes to go out of stock

Was going to buy one but the shipping would've cost 55 dollars.

God I hate DHL.

>>7709027
Curious as to how many were available

I was going to buy, but then remembered I have an OSSC.

>>7709043
I would have purchased an OSSC a long time ago but could never find a reputable seller in my area.

Did anyone here get one?

>>7709101
I bought the meme. Still haven't gotten the shipping email yet but I'm technically not too far from Mike Chi, so I wonder how long it'll take once it does get shipped

>>7709107
>Tax
God damn that’s like $20 more than what I paid.

>>7709101
Yeah, it solves pretty much every issue I had with my Framemeister. DHL is pretty much being forced on you internationally though so I look forward to the $50 import fee like I had with my fucking Satiator.

>>7709112
Yeah it sucks but this is coming out of my stimmy so I'm not that annoyed.

>>7709118
>260 + 50
Jesus christ. I wish that thing was cheaper since I'd prefer to not gut the perfectly functional disc drive from my Saturn, but I'm not in a rush.

>>7705964
or hd retrovision component cables

>>7709130
Thanks for reminding me that the Dreamcast component cables are in development hell

>>7709139
>>7709139
or just grab a behar bros box and an rgb to component transcoder...

>>7709129
Yeah I didn't want to fuck with my Saturn, thing would be too much of a pain in the ass to get a 2nd one just to throw an ODE in it even if I got a cheap broken japanese one. The only downside is it would've been nice to have 2.5in HDD/SSD support from a MODE over micro SD since I have a ton of old laptop drives laying around. At least with my Xstation PS1s are piss cheap and I just got a cheap broken one + free installation from a friend who owns a game store.

>>7709118
Not pretty much, it is being forced on you. They couldn't change the website to not display USPS International so they just made it the same price as DHL and everything's being shipped with DHL regardless of what item in the menu you picked.

That 50 dollars was on top of the already expensive international shipping, right?

Fucking hell DHL sucks.

Stayed up late to buy this fucking thing only to get bamboozled at the last second. Now I'm staying up later because I'm pissed off.

>>7708169
My bad. You're not dunning kruger, just completely ignorant. And projecting to boot.
>Please log off this website
Jesus Fucking Christ. You need to go back. You need to go back. Right now. Don't make me call your moms.

>>7709019
There's an entire thread on the shmups forum about it.

>>7709280
>Your moms
Are you appropriating a blaccent? Didn't I tell you to log off?

RetroTink 2X Classic added 53 MICROSECONDS of lag.

Thats 0.053 milliseconds.
It came out two years ago, and was famed for being lightning fast scaler.

RetroTink 5X Pro adds at a minimum ~0.25 FRAMES of lag, which is ~4 MILLISECONDS.

It's literally about 20 times slower. While thats still relatively fast, 20 times slower for 3x-4x larger scaling isn't the jam for the FGC.

>>7709480
What's the optimal distance from the screen for the lowest latency?
I mean it takes longer for the light from the display to travel to your eyes if it's further away, that's just science. But sitting too close you can't see the entire screen. So therefore there must be an ideal screen size + sitting distance combo that optimizes for the lowest latency. Is that what tiny PVMs are for?

>>7709501
False. the speed of light allows the light from the screen to reach our faces (at approximately ten feet away) in ~10 nanoseconds, which is 0.01 microseconds.

Light to our eyes is approximately 500 times faster than the 2x classic, and approximately 10,000 times faster than the RetroTink5x pro

>>7709480
>Implying anyone can mash inputs at 4ms

>>7709101
I got one. Still hasn't shipped but I'm in San Diego too, so hopefully arrives soon. I had asked him if any local game store would carry it but didn't get a response.

>>7709139
What's the deal with these? How are they fucking this up?

can i finally play silent hill or dino crisis without getting fucked over after unpausing the game?

>>7708942
how?

>>7709606
My ancient HP computer monitor deals with these just fine

Has anyone done footage of the Sinden light gun working with the white border turned on? I've just seen a lot of people mention it but no one had a way of testing it.

Anyone in bongland can try and get one now, check mike's twitter

>>7709759
>tfw 1629 in line on indiegogo
>only recoil units up to 1500 have been completed
i have waited so long i regret having no money during the kickstarter batch

>>7709480
It's more like 70 times.

>>7709606
>playing retro-vidya on anything but analog crt

>>7709606
>it's a feature
desu that adds to the suspense and atmosphere

>>7709480
That's what happens when you add a FRAMEBUFFER

>>7709382
cringe

My only weird complaint is no HDMI input, would've been nice for Gamecube w/ GBI, fuck me for buying a Carby I guess.

>>7711364
Morph will have HDMI in.

>>7710319
b-b-but can't i just add fpga magic and make it violate reality?

Do you people really use TVs for games?

>>7711832
at one time in the future everybody will because by then most CRTs will be dead

Mine hasn't shipped but every faggot who posted on social media that theirs shipped is a YouTube, Twitch, or influencer/industry person.

>>7701097
Did you expect him to *not* use an OEM off the shelf remote? How hard are you trying to reach tio take away from this? Don't like the product? Just go to another fucking thread jesus

>>7712031
He should have just not included one. I'll be leaving that shit in the box and programming my universal remote instead.

>>7711929
This. I made my order in under a minute.

>>7711929
influencer priviledge

>>7711929
>>7712064
I'm not a twitter faggot and mine has shipped. What time did you get your order in?

>>7712407
9:02 am. But some of the people claiming it shipped ordered at least 4 minutes in.

>>7711859
he's saying use a gaming monitor instead of a tv

I was able to order one yesterday and I didn't have to make a mad dash to get through the checkout, I just showed up at the right time and leisurely placed my order. The order number that showed up in my email seems quite a bit higher than some of the order numbers I saw other people sharing (elsewhere), so assuming the order numbers are generated sequentially I think I just barely made the cut off. Unfortunately it didn't ship same day.

>>7712617
why this and not an ossc or gbs control?

>>7712629
Not the same anon, but I just wanted something simple. I have an Ossc and it it sometimes gets annoying to setup.

>>7712636
what consoles you gonna use with it? dreamcast through vga will require an rgb to component transcoder which kinda turned me off

>>7712646
I picked up those 480p scart boxes a while back so luckily I'm set. I hope to just plug in most if not all my consoles and just enjoy it.

>>7712617
I think I am going to primarily use it with the PS2 and the later Sega consoles, Saturn and Dreamcast. Eventually I plan on getting the DCDigital mod, but in the meantime I have the retro access scart cable, seems like that should pair really nicely with this scaler. Who knows if we will ever get a digital solution for the Saturn, so it may always need a dedicated external scaler.

>>7712629
I have an OSSC, it produces a really clean sharp image, I love that about it. I don't know that much about the gbs control, I don't think the image quality is as good? Is it able to line duplicate or scale up to higher resolutions like the OSSC or the retrotink 5x pro?

So I am really excited to test out the the auto sampling phase feature, I wasn't able to get that to work on the OSSC (I didn't try that hard, but it was kinda confusing, I guess the retrotink is better for dummies like me). I like the option to scale 240p by 4.5 to 1080p, like on the Analogue consoles. What I am not thrilled about is the possible downgrade in color reproduction, going from 4:4:4 on the OSSC to 4:2:2. Not thrilled about the extra lag compared to other devices.

>>7711452
And cost $500 minimum

>>7712662
so?

>>7712660
>Is it able to line duplicate or scale up to higher resolutions like the OSSC or the retrotink 5x pro?


Yeah, it can also downscale, the bad thing is that the version I wanted is no longer for sale, although it is open source at least. The GBS CONTROL AIO if you are wondering

>>7712650
which box is that?

>>7712673
I bought one of these during a sale. https://www.beharbros.com/kuroplus It works pretty well for what I need.

>>7712662
This is from yesterday. So between $300 (retrotink 5x-pro) and up to $550 (OSSC pro). $400 maybe?

Also see:
>>7703406

>>7712672
If you really want to hook HDMI sources to a Tink for some reason you can accomplish that with a $12 DAC. There's nothing else in the Morph's feature list that seems to justify the additional expense unless you've got a big Laserdisc collection or want to play TATE mode on an unrotated display. Maybe those are worth it to some, not so much to me

>>7712162
>influencer
The most vile of The Beat's minions

>>7712687
Well, the "Polyphase Scaling" they show in this video for their n64 digital mod is going to be available on the morph for whatever input you connect to the device

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MnWYX0ng-Q

Opens up some interesting possibilities. More control over and customization over what you can do with the image on your display. Also more lag I would imagine

>>7712673
Is it no longer for sale, or is it just sold out until the next batch is made? I thought they were making more.

>>7711929
Mike Chi's wife is the only person doing shipping. All the people showing them off on Twitter were beta/RC testers and Mike let them keep the units.

>>7712969
>I thought they were making more.

I thought so too but it simply doesnt seem like they give a fuck if you check any of their twitter accounts :(

>>7712407
Time is right there in the image. Shows confirmation of 1 minute.

>>7711929
Mine hasn't either but it's probably just because I'm international

>>7711929
I wonder if they do local pickup. I'm in San Diego too.

>>7712681
>built in dac
finally being able to play 4K-Cyberpunk on a 15kHz-screen
>wifi, composhit/svideo
eh

>>7712673
The output quality is absolute garbage. Stop posing this toy.

Watching the MLiG stream on this and they showed that Frame Lock is still pretty damn fast at handling resolution switching. Not sure if I'd even bother with the triple buffer version if my TV can handle frame lock then.

Anyone know of a good HDMI to YPbPr Converter so I can hook my Gamecube up to this?

>>7714348
I can't directly link it because amazon links count as spam, but retrorgb has one under "Amazon Products Bob’s Tested" that apparently runs lagless
https://www.retrorgb.com/support.html

>>7714354
Cool, the one I was looking at is on there. Wasn't sure if any of the amazon ones I was seeing were any good.

>>7714348
gamecube can already do component....

>>7714942
Don’t forget that there is also cucks out there that are paying hundreds of dollars for gamecube component cables and not just using 10 dollar Wii component cables to get the same fucking 480p for gamecube games.

>>7701038
So if plug my N64's composite video into this will it theoretically only look as much like ass as it did originally on CRT? I'm using N64 as a worst case example specifically because the output is blurry no mater what and on a 4k TV it's only worse.

>>7696380
>sold out
I hate you all.

>>7697178
Imagine pagar 500 reais pra um gordo sojado num produto que não vale nem 100.

>>7715048
jejejejeje

>>7714962
just use the eon plug....

>>7714982
n64 composite or s video PLUS deblur should look "okay"

>>7714035
proof?

>>7714962
>Don’t forget that there is also cucks out there that are paying hundreds of dollars for gamecube component cables and not just using 10 dollar Wii component cables to get the same fucking 480p for gamecube games.
you might want to educate yourself.
wii and gc use different analog-plugs, plus gc doesn't output component at all, only over the digital port using a converter

>>7715069
>inb4 retrorgb's comparison-pic, sponsored by retrotink and voultar industries powered by hd retrovision

>>7714982
Kinda sorta. Just generally you don't want to be plugging a 240/288p console directly into a modern TV, at all. If it even accepts the signal, it'll mishandle it terribly. Flat panels are also much less forgiving on the flaws of a composite signal even at the best of times.
That said, plugging the device into a scaler like a Retrotink or OSSC will give you the best possible results. At the very least avoid misinterpreting it from 240p as 480i, which will cause loads of issues. Which scaler is right for you will depend on your budget and use case. Personally I currently have an OSSC, since as someone with PAL hardware, the NTSC signals they put out will tend to be busted anyway so its lack of composite and S-Video isn't a big deal.

>>7715151
>>7715069
The fact that you don't understand the difference between a scaler and line doubler, and think that it's even possible for a scaler to look or perform as well as the OSSC is laughable.
Why the fuck are you retards even buying these things when you don't understand them at all?

>>7696378 why do i need that when i can have a real good picture with an emulator for free?
and if you play on original hardware why would you use shit like this?

>>7715678
If you want to use your original hardware on a newer tv you need something like this or else it will look like shit.

Some people don't understand the point if you're not using a CRT, but for me getting an emulation quality picture from the original hardware's analog output through an upscaler is a satisfying endeavor.

New TVs are, of course, not designed with retro consoles in mind, so a market for such products exists.

>>7715678
Because the signals that original hardware output aren't treated well by modern TVs a lot of the time. Those TVs are set up for the general task of making video from analog sources look okay, not properly handling weird signals from consoles. These boxes are designed for properly handling those signals and making them into something a TV has no issue with.

>>7715658
are you talking to your internal voices again?
no idea wtf you are trying to say, quite honestly

>>7715678
>has no idea what it is
>calls it shit anyway

>>7712673
>Yeah, it can also downscale
I've been using mine as a framebuffer/digital frame store for the OSSC since my TV doesn't like the OSSC especially when playing Neo Geo games
>input a 240p signal into GBS-C
>set GBS-C to downscale to 240p
>GBS-C output to OSSC input via VGA cable
>use OSSC for scaling and scanlines
It looks way sharper on my TV than this image, my capture card is just really shitty

>>7714942
Yeah and the only options are the official cables for fucking $200+ and the Insurrection cables that have been discontinued for a year.

>>7716772
Just use HDMI. There's no point to component on GameCube anymore.

>>7716829
>Just use HDMI
I would since I have a Carby, except this thing has no HDMI input. And I'd trust the upscaling on the Retrotink to handle GBI at 240p/480i games a fuckload more than my chink brand TV handling it itself.

>>7696450
Class traitor. Kill yourself

>>7701558
i told my wife about the sudden rise of CRT tv values (from dirt) due to retro gayming and now she goes around looking for good deals on CRTs

>>7717031
You can still find them for free on Craigslist.

>>7716772
incorrect

>>7716015
>>input a 240p signal into GBS-C
>>set GBS-C to downscale to 240p

wat?

>>7701561
dangeresque based

>>7716772
>what is gcdual

>>7715048
>implicando
era a foto mais bonita do google, anão

>>7701561
>muh speedrun muh zoomers
high chances of anon being a non-1cc plebeian detected

>>7715151
>starts memeing to avoid the burden of proof
lol how's it like to be even poorer than people currently enjoying modded GBS boards?

my question is if the deinterlacing is actually any different from what you'd get on a modern tv.

>>7717314
Better option is a hacked Wii.

Has anyone gotten theirs yet? Mine is scheduled to get here tomorrow.

>>7717319
Don't ask why but I had to do this too. When I put the GBS Control in my chain I had to set 240p up like that instead of passthrough or I kept losing sync

>>7717869
what is your chain and which consoles?

>>7715063
>>7715167
Thanks, guys!

I don't get it, is this the best it can do with the NES signal? I've never hooked up my NES to my 4K TV for obvious reasons, but I suspect that with the coaxial output it wouldn't look too much worse than this. Am I wrong?

>>7717956
>Am I wrong?
Yes

>>7717858
Mine still hasn’t shipped.

Hey so I still use a XRGB Mini because it still works perfectly fine for everything outside of Resident Evil 2 on the N64

Should I even bother upgrading to anything or continue living in the past (of 8 years ago)

>>7716015
>that entire post
are you fucking stupid?

>>7717443
shhh don't tell them that pretty much all TVs and monitors can deinterlace 480i kek
>>7717956
What the fuck are you expecting from composite?

>>7717893
PS2 via component. I was trying to test all the different resolutions each console would put out I have a switch box with Wii, PS2, and Xbox all plugged in and pic related and ICO are the only PS2 games I know that run at 240p. Anyways feeding that into GBS C then VGA into OSSC HDMI split to Tendak converter for my CRT monitor and into Extron HD-HD to 4K TV they were both losing signal frequently no matter what setting I changed on OSSC until I set the GBS C to downscale mode instead of passthrough.

>>7717319
>>7718093
The GBS is not a linedoubler but a scaler, what is being done here is that the GBS takes in a 240p RGBS signal, digitizes it and stores one entire frame in its memory, then takes that frame and converts it into 240p RGBHV 60hz 15khz signal which we can then linedouble on the OSSC to perfectly uniform 480p or 960p at a better quality than the scaling on the GBS
This is the same idea as a TBC for VHS

>>7696552
>consoom
Fucking hell, greenpilled media always feels like it's from time travelers.
I'll go back to /x/, don't worry.

>>7717989
You can literally sell it, afford a 5x Pro, and still have some left over

>>7718221
Sell it, wait for Pixel FX Morph and then buy it with no ragrets.

>>7718246
>Pixel FX Morph
I don't care what the specs are, I'm not buying it based on the name alone.

>>7717989
>Resident Evil 2 on the N64

what happens with it?

>>7718178
what happens with 480i and higher ps2 games? does the xbox or wii have any issue?

>>7718265
RE2 N64 is just one of those games with 480i menus. Pokemon Stadium does it too.

>>7718096
>What the fuck are you expecting from composite?
Not much, but when a device claims to be a miraculous all-in-one solution for everything 240p on up, I cross my fingers and hope for a little more than *that*

>$58 CAD import fee from DHL
thanks mike

>>7718265
>what happens with it?

Game changes resolution walking down the street

>>7718198
GBS Control doesn't do full frame buffering

$300 for a manchild meme machine? no thanks lol. mike chink can fuck straight off

>>7718347
Why are you here then?

>>7718347
He isn't selling Sega Saturns though.

>>7717858
Mine hasn't shipped and I bought it the minute it went up. I probably had to publicly suck Mike's dick to get it shipped out sooner.

>>7717858
Mine shipped earlier today and I got it in the first minute. It's international though so I'm not getting it until next week.

>>7718484
>I probably had to publicly suck Mike's dick to get it shipped out sooner.
Didn't work for me but then again I don't use my real name on the Internet

>>7718313
They say the USPS International experience is too poor to offer to customers but then make 50 dollar shipping with additional import fees on the same order the only option lol.

The launch seems like it went well for America, but they bungled it internationally.

Just a guy and his wife trying to sell a product, though, so you can't get too angry, but seeing nothing but e-celeb positivity about it is annoying given how poor the experience was trying to order this thing outside of America.