/vr/ - Retro Games

Sure did. It’s great.

>>7701647
Of course not. I Might want to replay the best version of LSSSC some day.

I have a Fenrir.

Maybe somewhere down the line I'll get one for my Saturn that still has its disc drive intact.

I get that it took a long time to develop but it's just too expensive. 260 USD? Really? Guess that's why they're in stock right now.

The glitter worked into the plastic shell is hella gay. Not that you see it often but who picks that for their own product?

>drive emulators

>>7701869
It bypasses the drive, and leaves the drive intact, so you can still play your collection.

Already got a Phoebe that I use with the Pseudo Kai menu, what's the advantage of upgrading to this besides less fuckery with file formats?
I don't care about playing from the original discs since I rip those using a PC anyways then play on the ODE

>>7701647
Maybe :3

>>7701647
Shockingly good, yeah. Pretty flawless compatability, since Joe from GameSack finally put Abrasive to task on the seeking issues people had been reporting for a while. Funny how a video like that can whip your ass into shape.

Credit where credit is due, I suppose there can be a lot of dumbasses out there reporting bullshit, and it's tough to sift through what is legit and what is just someone trying to use an old busted unit or SD card.

>>7701869
>adult emulators

>>7701891
Probably not a lot of benefit. Maybe better homebrew compatability? Plus there's some decent management software it's compatible with, but I think the phoebe works with it too.

>>7701647
yuuuuuup

Don't care for the tranny design and don't care for paying 260. Fuck off

It's pretty hard to justify the price when you can just get a bundle of 100 blank CDrs and basically have your entire library set for years to come. There's only two legitimate uses I can see and they both have easy counters:

1. Disk drive/laser dead: replacing your saturn is cheaper than this thing, sell your dead saturn to some enthusiast and make $40-60 from it instead, now you only have to spend $20 on a new Saturn.

2. Can't play netlink with a burned disk: this is true, but it's such a non issue considering there's not a lot of demand for netlink competitions and I don't think I've ever seen a single person in the Saturn threads show off their netlink. Only four games too. Not the strongest counter of course but this point would be so rare that almost anything can dismiss it.

>>7702234
rent free

>>7702273
>go through ridiculous contortions trying to become the embodiment of a stereotype so you can finally be special and get the attention you so desperately need
>someone else has personal tastes that aren't the same as those of your shallow acquired identity
>r-r-rent free

>>7701647
I bought one like 2 months ago.

>>7701663
I mean, what’s stopping you? It’s not like this replaces your disk drive. Take it out, and put in the video card and use your actual disk.

>>7702351
you're writing this because a piece of plastic is slightly sparkly. please get a real hobby

>>7701670
>plays entire library
>average game $100+
>too expensive

>>7702645
>$20 for a pseudo saturn
>$20 for a bundle of a shit load of discs, you might already have one in your house
>we need a more expensive option

>>7701647
If only there were ODE and Satiator options for the 3DO and PS2...

>>7702649
>waste hundred of hours burning coasters and swapping disks
this is why Americans are poor.

>>7702672
It takes less than 5 minutes to burn a game, anon. Nobody said you had to 100 batches in one night either, fag. At this point if you're seriously arguing its better after a cost comparison has already been made between the two solutions you're just straight up shilling.

>>7702234
>>7702351
Unironically rent free

>>7702267
seriously; maybe $15 for the CDs and $20 for a drive if you somehow don't have a million already from PCs over the years

I'm getting one. I just have no clue what website hosts saturn games now since snesorama is gone.

>>7702959
look at the wiki in the stickyed posted thats where I got mine

I can't believe people pay almost $300 for these.

Its cheaper to buy a Fenrir and a second saturn

Noob here. Just got a Saturn. Compatibility wise burning discs is just as good as this right? I just need to buy an action replay cart and some blank CDs and I'm set?

>>7701894

Bernie save us

>>7703451
/vr/, I have to tell you that the Saturn is not our future!!!

>>7701647
i got a fenrir, turns out everyone is supporting fenrir so i think i made the right choice. feel bad for modefags tho, apparently it's causing a lot of problems

>>7703301
Yes, it's just as good. But don't get an AR unless you want to flash it yourself. There are pre-flashed Pseudo Carts for beginners available for about the same price.

>>7701647
Nah I have a MiSTer so I'll just wait for the Saturn Core to be done one day. Just like the people who waited years for the Satiator but I probably won't have to wait as long or be Jewed as hard.

>>7703897
It'll never get finished. you'll never be a Saturn owner

>>7702537
Nothing is stopping me from doing that. Just like nothing is stopping me from install a maze of hoops that need to be jumped through in order to reach the console and do that. Nothing aside from me not being retarded.

>>7701670
They were sold out until a week ago.

>>7701895
Half of what game sack of shit reported in that "review" was outdated information by the time it was uploaded, anon-kun

>>7702656
Mnemo makes a 3DO ODE

>>7703916
I have two saturns. One CIB. both from thrift stores. Still gonna wait for the MiSTer core because its gonna be most convenient.

>>7703528
Yeah just get one of the red carts with psuedo saturrn and you are off, the cart isnt expensive at all.

>>7701647
No. That's completely overpriced.

>>7702234
Rent fucking free

>>7701647
I got the MODE instead
>>7701869
my drive was failing so whatever

>>7704047
you don't deserve your saturns if you don't even play them.

>>7702637
>i know more about why you're writing this than you do
Yeah. You're totally not mentally ill and and delusional, "ma'am"
>>7702754
>look at me! look at me! look at me!
I don't want to look at you
>rent free lol

>>7704585
Anon... please seek professional help.

>>7703995
I’m confused. Removing a plug and play cartridge is too much work for you? Literally every other solution still requires you to have that video adapter, the only extra step is unplugging the Satiator first.

>>7701647
Nah. I got pic related for about $30 instead. I only needed to solder one wire for power and burn a few CDs. I can even use ram expansion cartridges or netlink while dabbing on Pseudo Saturn plebs.

>>7702645
Mod chips are less than 30 quid and burning discs isn't exactly time consuming or requires too much effort

>>7702672
You clearly don't know what you are doing with cd burners

>>7704845
>I’m confused
Yup

>>7704263
This

>>7703897
>>7704047
>shilling the MiSTer
>Forgets to use his "My Coomlection" image
No one wants to buy your shitty emulation product that can't even emulate a Sega Saturn.

>>7705401
These guys are actual paid shills aren't they? I thought it was just a dedicated autist at first, but I actually looked at their thread and half the posts read like fake amazon reviews.

>>7704263
hah. I paid $40 for the CIB Saturn it came with a few games, and $5 for the loose model 1 Saturn. I play them occasionally but I just want a simple HDMI solution. I just like the idea that my having it keeps someone else from having it.
>>7705401
>Forgets to use his "My Coomlection" image
My collection is on utility shelves in my basement. I don't actually display it like some fucking redditor.
>>7705636
Hey I'm not telling you to get a MiSTer, I don't care if you do or don't. In fact I'd prefer if you all didn't it's getting too much mainstream press lately and that never turns out good. I'm just saying why I won't be bothered to get a Satiator or Fenrir or other Saturn ODE.

>>7705636
Yes. Which is why I call them out on it every chance I get.

>>7707214
You can stop lying now. We all know your "coomlection" is just an image of a MiSTer, since you don't actually own any real consoles.

>>7707307
Well it is getting tempting to sell it off I'll admit. But I like owning the original even if I don't often play it or even look at it.

>>7707348
That's where me and you differentiate big time. I have all my retro consoles hooked up to my CRT TV and I play them while I watch my HDTV at the same time. Heck I keep up with the news while playing video games. I make time for it. If I buy something, I want to get my money's worth by playing the shit out of it.

>>7707348
you're shit talking collectionfags when you're a damn hoarder, and you own a mister on top. you can't write this kind of stuff.

>>7707445
>you're shit talking collectionfags when you're a damn hoarder, and you own a mister on top. you can't write this kind of stuff.
Not even sure why you're all mad. I got my shit, I can do or in this case not do what I want with it.

>>7707509
Fair enough but fuck the mister (and the satiator)

>>7707214
>I just like the idea that my having it keeps someone else from having it.
This, but mostly to keep resellers from having them. Also, you can never have too many spares. I don't want to be stuck paying $1M for an SNES on eBay when mine dies in 50 years. And if, for some reason, you feel you have too many spares you can always give/sell them to deserving people.

>>7707742
>>7707214
Actual hoarder scum, the both of you. You're not going to use your backup snes or saturn in 50 years if you don't ever take care of it or even look at it in the case of >>7707348

>>7707765
angry reseller rages at capitalism

>>7704852
Amazing how everyone loses it over overpriced shit solutions when this and a region free BIOS are dirt cheap and 100% compatible.

>>7707765
You don't know the half of it, zoom zoom. I have 4 setups with SFCs, 6 loose SNES spares, 5 loose SFC spares, 2 loose PAL SNES spares, 4 CIB SFCs spare and a bunch of CIB SNES spares which I guess are at the back of a shelf as I can't see them to count them. I also have 2 60hz SNES UKVs one CIB
It gives me pleasure to know that this makes you seethe like a mother fucker. It gives me even more pleasure when I'm able to give one of my spares to a worthy child and he appreciates it more than the modern console his parents gave him. And it gives me pleasure to know that reading this makes the veins in your neck bulge and your sphincter clench. Keep seething, little bitch.

>>7707994
Okay hoarder. I'm gonna go jack off and go to sleep now.

>>7708027
Nighty night, little zoom zoom. You will never be a real onion booty haver.

>>7707994
>60hz SNES UKVs
Are they a DIY mod or did ya get Singapore consoles?

>>7702959
cd romance

Cheap chink clones when?

>>7709673
fuck you contribute to the guy who did all the work or gtfo

>>7704013
No, it was uploaded and then Abrasive put out the fix like the next day or the same day.

Essentially Joe showed him the video ahead of time.

>>7707994
Nice larp fag

>>7709735
If that was true, game sack of crap wouldn't have used an outdated compatibility chart from the beta tests in the video

>>7709946
Nice cope kid

>>7703496
Of the Saturn ODEs, Fenrir and Satiator are looking to be the better options. Fenrir is good because it's cheap, Satiator is good because you don't have to replace the drive. And both are getting plenty of support and are regularly getting updates to fix things.

MODE is mostly just style over substance. It costs about the same as a Satiator, but you still have to remove your disc drive, and then there's a bunch of really dumb shit they did in the implementation.

For example it was found that they don't clean up after themselves in RAM before booting a game with the fast boot option. So data from their menu system is still sitting there in RAM which can cause problems for games expecting to have cleared RAM upon boot since that's what the official Bios does before it loads the initial boot program of the game.

Another dumb one they did was instead of doing what a Mod chip does for dealing with the security ring and just sending the security ring data at boot when it's requested, they instead send it any time data is requested beyond the 650MB area of the disc, because they found some old document where Sega asked developers not to go beyond that size limit. In reality a real Saturn will read data on a disc well beyond that limit and quite a few games go beyond it. So any game that had data beyond that size would refuse to boot or just crash on the MODE because it would get Security Ring data instead of the actual data it was looking for.

On top of it all when these issues are brought up, they're usually very reluctant to fix them and instead insist it's the fault of the developer or the user for not doing something right. They've basically rubbed the Saturn Homebrew and Translation community the wrong way.

>>7709735
Yeah, no. Look at the release notes, those features had been included for a very long time. Abrasive just needs to do a better job updating info.

>>7712730
No I am talking about the seeking issues Joe pointed out, which caused issues with FMV games or caused tracks to loop, and that fix was in FW 157.

Looking at the release it was only 2 days before the video was posted, so no doubt Joe showed him that stuff. Joe typically makes his videos like weeks in advance.

Abrasive had been trying to track that stuff down for a while, and made lots of tools to try to find it. Glad it turned out just be an open/close thing, which in all honesty is a typical failover you need to account for in many things.

>>7709078
Mani. If there are official Singapore versions those would be rare indeed. Might need to hoard moar. Gotta catch em all

>>7712748
A lot of that stuff was being worked on long before that video or Joe got involved though. There's a very active discord where people report issues to abrasive to work on. Joe didn't even know about that.

>>7710985
>I'm not faking it, these are real roaches infesting my hoard!

>>7712846
Oh I know about the Discord, and I was one of the people posting about it and trying to help Abrasive get to the root of the issue for months. Hell, I bet you and I chat on there sometimes haha.

Like I said, I respect Abrasive's work, and I know he was putting in the effort, but that issue was stalled since January, and it get fixed right as Joe puts out the video (which actually showed that the Satiator was way more compatible with stuff than people thought, almost everything he tested worked, and he didn't test the one game that didn't).

Maybe it's a coincidence, but I doubt it. Joe definitely spoke to Abrasive about it before putting up the video (which you can do without Discord).

>>7712868
>I'm not faking it, these are real tears dripping from my poorfag eyes!

>>7714076
Pretty sure these were known issues that were previously reported well before that video came out.

i have no idea what's going on

>>7712716
What games have these problems? Anything important or just some obscure porn games?

>>7714749
With MODE? It's pretty much just stuff they do with their software that can interfere with any game really. The not clearing RAM issue caused problems with Grandia and it's translation patch as it resulted in garbage being drawn at the end of every line. They fixed it by just making it so if it detects Grandia they clear RAM, otherwise they don't, which is dumb when they should just be cleaning up after themselves anyways as it's good practice. Basically any game that expects clean RAM before it starts will be impacted by it.

The Security Ring issue impacts any game larger than 650MB and caused problems with the Lunar Silver Star Story patch forcing the devs to reduce the improved FMV quality to get it under 650MB.

Really those kind of issues raise a red flag to any developer as it just screams sloppy and lazy coding. And for how much the charge for it and how much they hype it as a premium high quality product it's kind of ridiculous to see these kind of corners get cut.

>>7714779
So it sounds like the issues mostly come up when playing patched games or other improvements. I have mode and only play games w/o any enhancements which is probably why I never noticed anything. Did Satiatior fix the thing where the 4mb games didn’t work properly? I remember that being an issue initially

>>7714836
>So it sounds like the issues mostly come up when playing patched games or other improvements.
It can literally happen with any game that expects clean RAM at start up. Last I checked it happens mostly when you use the fast boot option. The security ring issue will impact any game that is larger than 650MB.
>Did Satiatior fix the thing where the 4mb games didn’t work properly? I remember that being an issue initially
I think MSHvsSF is the only one with an issue.

>>7702754

>>7712716
>And both are getting plenty of support and are regularly getting updates to fix things.

Where is Satiator getting updates and support? Are there any apps yet that take advantage of it?

>>7715195
There have been multiple updates since launch. Autoboot support was added to support third party menus like RINGS.

>>7716203
WHERE can I get those?

>>7714852
I hate trannies and lefties as much as any man, but it's a bit of sparkly pink plastic that fits the aesthetic of plenty of the games released for the system and that 90s Japan kitsch in general. What, was 90s Japan full of trannies now?

any way to use this with a pseudo cart yet?

>>7716325
I'm going to assume you're serious, so satiator.net. all of this can be found on wiki.satiator.net as well.
RINGS is on http://files-ds-scene.net/retrohead/satiator/

>>7716325
there's this thing called the internet

>>7702267
This is retarded. If you think prices are static and working Saturns won't become more expensive as all the lasers die out then you're a short sighted dog brain retard shouting squirrel

>>7702267
You speak of using CDRs like you never spent any time with a console of that age running burned discs. If you even own a saturn, once you start getting annoying read errors and can't find a reliable saturn in the wild for a decent price, you'll understand why ODEs are great even with a high price point.

>>7701647
I take huge shit in your mouth.

>>7701894
Hi faggot