/vr/ - Retro Games

I hate the way the All Stars Version controls. I've been told it's not actually different, but everything feels way slower and floatier. Maybe my brain is just playing tricks on me though.

>>757017
I'm pretty sure this wins for being the worst one. I'm amazed that Nintendo could put this little effort into the anniversary celebration of their biggest franchise.

>>757026
The physics are different in 1 and TLL. I think 2 and 3 are essentially the same.

This art style is god awful.

the level editor in this game was cool though

>>757027
They didn't even put in the Version with Super Mario World.

>>757026
It's not just you. I think it's common knowledge that All-Stars controls differently.

>>757030
I actually really like Powered Up, but i hate that all the projectiles move so slow in this game.

I really liked the PSP Megaman X, too.

All the voices in Mario Advance/Super Mario Bros 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpXpSslAsmQ

>>757026
plus music was god-awful.
Or maybe its because of all those shitty smw hacks with music from all-stars, but damn it sounds awful.

>>757069
Not all of it was bad. It had some gems:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pog_qvVulno

Such a disappointment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA-LnljyCPk

Goodbye ambience, hello boring lounge music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBY8QN1BbPg

>>757101
>The voice was improved
>But everything else turned shitty

>>757092
>no water levels
>but its music does
Its probably been said a million times, but still, one of the few things that bug me.

>>757092
It's a shame, it could've had that old vibe too if it were mixed differently (lower the piano), and had a (slightly) slower tempo.
Not a fan of that lead synth either.
But I guess I'm just an arm-chair musician/engineer.

The Twin Snakes

>>757060
I think they put voices on all the Mario Advance games, i don't know why.

>>757092
I like it. Not as much as the original, but it's still nice.

>>757026
All-Stars is the definitive 2D Mario game.

> B-but muh physics

NES Mario control like a brick. All Stars improved on this.

>>757060
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WVjnG5cE7w
I can't even play the game

>>758353
Obligatory Ninja Gaiden Trilogy music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLvN09CF1p4

>>757026
I much prefer the SMAS versions though. Controls are tighter than the NES games (at least in SMB1, not sure about SMB3 but it felt like it) and the version of the main Super Mario Bros. over- and underworld themes are my favourite versions.

Remake are always better than the original games, with some exceptions.

>>757092
I've actually never played that game, but I actually really like that version of the song, to be honest.

>>758378
It's my favorite DK.

>>758389
Is the new 3DS game a port of it? If so, I'll probably have to get it because I've heard good things.

>>758395
It is. Frame rate isn't as good of course, but it isn't anything major.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EunxobcaHY

Maybe is the cello at the start, but I can't like this song.
Actually, the PCE remixes of this song are quite mediocre too, only origin seems to have a good remix of this.

Pretty much every Mario and Zelda game that has come out recently has had a team of composers working in the place of Koji Kondo doing an absolutely shit job of it.

>>758714
But the music was one of the only things Skyward Sword had going for it.

>>758395
Apparently the only bad thing about it is the 30 FPS, but if that doesn't bother you, go for it.

>>758714
Yeah, mario music has been in the shitter since they decided to add in the WAH WAH bullshit, but apparantly someone over there thinks it's fantastic. Good thing I'm not gonna buy any of the new super mario bros. reiterations.

>>758756
Mario games not handled by that team usually have good music.

>>758756
That sucks, because they're actually really solid games.

>>757027
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pog_qvVulno
What is it? just a VC game on a disc?

>>758853
Because Koji Kondo generally stays away from the New games. Kondo's reserved for games they give a shit about.

I want to meet Kondo one day.

>>758756
The music of the New Mario series is great.

>>759210
Nope. I disagree AND this is the only time I've ever seen anyone say otherwise.
The music is subpar and forgettable. In a franchise in which every new tune became iconic, "passable" is a sin.

>>757060

I'm shocked that there isn't even a romhack that disables those damn voices.

>>757017
>cringe

Really? I listened to about half of and really liked it. This is almost how i expected the sound to sound with more modern instruments. What's wrong with it?

>>759248
> The music is subpar and forgettable

I remeber a lot of it musics

>>757017
I heard the remake of Earthworm Jim had music based off the SNES version.
What the fuck, why not just use the music for the PC? That was high-def.

>>758997
Yep, they seriously didn't give a shit. For Mario's 25th anniversary, they put a SNES game on a disc. That's literally it. They didn't even update the copyright dates on the titlescreen. They could've made something that seriously celebrated the birthday of Mario, but instead, they just said "Fuck it, let's just put this rom on a disc, and call it a day. HAPPY BIRTHDAY!"

I don't think anything can top the godawful Ninja Gaiden Trilogy on SNES. Graphics look like they just put the NES versions through a Super Eagle filter, and the music is TERRIBLE.

>>759806
You think that's bad?

The Earthworm Jim remake had a boss based off the Keyboard Cat meme.

Super Mario Advance 2 (Super Mario World)

Fuck you it was so much better without the superimposed voices whenever Mario did anything at all..

>song remixes that make you cringe?

98% of the stuff on OC Remix, especially in the collaborative albums. When it comes to remixes you have to glean a lot of asscrack to find gold.

>>759806

Earthworm Jim remake has none of the original assets because its basically a HK knock off

>>759625

My favorite Robotnik fact is that he is a canon feminist

>>757017
Man, I grew up with Sonic 2 and except for those drums around the 2 minute mark this remix is pretty good.

>>760245
The worst part is that those albums have to have an obligatory rap song that is 100% of the time horrible.

>>760245
Do the good remixes get filtered out by the judges panel, or are they never submitted at all? I'm curious.

>>760408
>the DKC2 album project
>Crocodile Cacophony is one of the best end boss themes ever, I can't wait to hear it!
>It's HORRIBLE death metal guttural "singing".

What wrong did I commit to have this happen to me.

>>760471
You downloaded a OCRemix cover album.

>Not posting the remixes from this shit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o47N-aYd08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aROZfa4eNJ0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9CaDFld-KA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39loLYFjfPM&feature=share&list=PL4DD53225DFD6A9E5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv_5TB3rp2w&feature=share&list=PL4DD53225DFD6A9E5

>>760506
I was lured in by promises of David Wise

His one track he made was pretty sweet.

SSF2T HD Remix. All of the art is worse than the original sprites, the only plus it has is the higher resolution. The fact that they had to simplify the sprite shading halfway through the development process make some think they bit off way more than they could chew and didn't really understand the scale of the project they were undertaking. Combine that with the fact that the artists involved were comic artists who had no experience in creating game graphics, and you end up with that clusterfuck.

>>760601
Also the music sucked, especially the character select theme.

>>760547
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o47N-aYd08
Cracks me up every time it gets posted. I feel bad for the original composer, though. He made such a good soundtrack and the Saturn version didn't even use it. Then this happened.

I don't think it's personally bad, but some of you hardcore Simons Quest fans might cringe at this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNUXp0R6FEg
Very bloody tears
>Metal version of bloody tears from CV2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kcF7E69C6Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnrFi_zqJhc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBl3VSXqEv4&
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLgL38nH8-4

I literally cringed when I saw this the first time.

>>760862
To be fair, that guy was supposed to be ugly as sin. It's the rest of the game that doesn't have an excuse.

>>760558
which track was he responsible for?

>>760895

Re-Skewed

He also did Spanish Jitters on the DKC3 album, that one is also great.

>>760686
Sounds like a good cover to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfsyhR9EP6k
Pretty much every snes version song for lemmings suck.

>>758756
I don't care for the New series music either, it feels...soulless. Like it's a cheery imitation of Mario music without quite what actually makes it. The main athletic theme isn't that bad, but the rest is utterly forgettable.

Now, Super Mario Galaxy, that shit was amazing. From what I heard the new kid in charge of that music kept trying to remake the old style stuff, failing at it, and in frustration just went FUCK IT I'LL DO SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT and everyone loved it.

>>757060
>All the voices in Mario Advance/Super Mario Bros 2

Fuck those voices. Mario is silent. Stop changing that.

>>758365
>Obligatory Ninja Gaiden Trilogy music

They use such shitty instrument samples.

>>757115
Yeah, what the hell were they even thinking?

You can make water levels hard too, just look at Rayman Origins!

>>760247
>its basically a HK knock off

What's a HK knock off?

>>760601
>All of the art is worse than the original sprites,

Yep. Totally different art style. The original game aimed for as realistic as they could with 16 bit graphics. New is a pseudo-anime comic style, that I just don't like.

>>760686

Why? Seems alright.

>>760245
They totally ruined the ALttP and Yoshi's Island ports with those stupid voices for me.

The extra content didn't even make up for it.

>>760834

Oh fuck. I played RE 1 Dual Shock, and had no clue they redid the music. I'm missing out on something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZanrLbBThJE

That track sounds fuckin' GOOD. I grew up with some shitty bullshit. Fuck me. Why did they change the music? It was perfect.

>>760985
The Genesis version of that song in particular is pretty catchy.

The DS remake of SaGa 2 is a great remake, but the redone soundtrack is severely disappointing. The awful MIDI instrumentation with every channel playing at equal volume is cringeworthy.

What we need:

A wiki dedicated to chronicalling all the various versions/ports/remakes of games and all the minute differences between them.

>>757017
I actually like this remix, it's basically just using realistic versions of the instruments the original was trying to capture in the first place. It loses me with the embellishments at the 1:00 and 2:00 marks, but otherwise it's done pretty well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ogh5x8ZXO64

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>>761417
>They totally ruined the ALttP and Yoshi's Island ports with those stupid voices for me.
>The extra content didn't even make up for it.

A nice romhacking project would be to put the new gba content back into the SNES games.

>>761574

That's intentionally bad.

>>757017

ALL of the chocobo songs after FF IX

>>760232
>None of the game's new content was approved by Doug TenNapel, original Earthworm Jim creator, nor was any of the original game's staff involved.[20][21]

Doug wouldn't have stood for any memespouting.

>>761584
Nah man, nah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg4AgvupLeE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDzNXRzK13I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8sPHV9Phcw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmACOrjVYrY

>>760601
I never thought I'd have to find this again.

This took me longer than I care to admit to look for.

>>761417
>They totally ruined the ALttP and Yoshi's Island ports with those stupid voices for me.

the GBA's speakers were abysmal, i don't get why you'd ever really care about the sound

>>761649

Holy shit, I remember this from what, 2007?

>>761621

i think those all sound like shit

>>757026
but the SMAS versions are better...


>>757030
that game was awesome tho. pretty much my favorite PSP game.

>>761649
I like Udon's art style, and while I would agree that they are not on par with Capcom's in house art team. Really, SF2 HD should not have fallen in Udon's lap, see
>>760601
that image is still laughably autistic.
>>760887
still don't know why people bitch about the styliziation of Monkey Island. If I found something remarkable about the original game's art style or attended mass for To, Schaefer on a weekly basis, I might actually care, but this is one I just don't get at all.
>>760232
This was crushing, the more I played of the EJ remake, the more it sank in it was a complete bastardization of the original game.

I have never heard a remake or remix with objectively better music than the original, but some are at least different in a good way, but Phantasy Star Generations 2 has some of the worst music remixes I've heard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjfRxbnnvzA

Compare that garbage with the original

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZpbDDdMGcQ

>>761420
I seriously have no idea.

I mean compare this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5t3P14l3G0

To this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an91tmlO6PI

What the hell were they thinking?
The same composer later did the soundtack to Onimusha: Warlords so at least he isn't totally tone deaf.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldQT8yg-yJM

Must have been a "create an alternate soundtrack in 24 hours" bet.

>>761916
>Must have been a "create an alternate soundtrack in 24 hours" bet.

It does sound very rushed. Why they even did it though is the biggest mystery. There was no need.

GBA's Final Fantasy games.
>dose graphics
>dat butchered soundtrack
At least the ROM restoration patches and extra dungeons lessened the blow a little.

>>761810
>still don't know why people bitch about the styliziation of Monkey Island. If I found something remarkable about the original game's art style or attended mass for To, Schaefer on a weekly basis, I might actually care, but this is one I just don't get at all.

You're kidding, right? Nobody can be that artistically challenged...

>>761934
Those aren't remixes...

That's just the result of the music coming out of a tiny ass GBA speaker...

>>761938
>That's just the result of the music coming out of a tiny ass GBA speaker...

Nope. Play it on an emulator or GBA PLayer. GBA cant' do snes quality music or somethign.

>Another bitching thread
Time to make another Kirby thread.

>>761965
You can't solve all your problems with Kirby threads, dammit!

>>762017
Kirby threads are scientifically proven to stop all whining, bitching, bawwing, and shitposting. Nightmare in Dreamland was a good remake

>>762017

A Kirby thread saved my marriage.

Speaking of Kirby.
Sage for not being retro, but I post because it's relevant to thread. Any more retro examples of the same, where covers were minorly modified in a similar manner to make it look more xtreeme?

That's what happens when Kirby tries to appeal the CoD generation.

>>762053
That actually makes sense, because the irony of Kirby being the protagonist wouldn't be very apparent to American children if they didn't give him angry eyes.

In Japan, children's cartoons and video games are often styled like that, but in the context of American cartoons and video games, there are very few examples of the "badass adorable," as tvtropes likes to call it, so looking at just the cover it wouldn't make sense at all to a kid living in America. As far as they would be concerned, it's a game for babies because the protagonist is a cute pink ball with a fairy wand.

>>758389
Mine's Jungle Beat