/vr/ - Retro Games

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>>7485246
clay is pure SOUL

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>>7485250
Oh, so they weren't gachapon? Then what are they?

>>7485268
Not retro but soulful
>>7485270
Dioramas for a magazine

I dont know how they got Marios color wrong

Doesn't get more soulful than this

Hiroyuki Nakazawa is the artist btw

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>>7485327
These belong in a museum.

^ This. ALLLLL of this above. This is what modern "just like real life" graphics should try and be doing.

>>7485243
>Random magazine art has SOUL and it's betterer than a literal game
I unironically believe some people's minds legitimately work like this. Collecting yellowing pieces of plastic and autistic screen shaders wouldn't be such a fundamental part of the hobby around /vr/ if anybody cared about the actual games.

>>7485243

These models are so ugly.

How is it that godzilla's country is so incompetent in this area?

>>7485268
are there any other games that mimic the clay look?

>>7485297
Wrong or SOULFULER?

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>>7485327
OH N--

>>7485243
So SOUL means even more advanced and complex visual fidelity? Be patient, /vr/. 3D graphics are not quite there yet

2muchsoul4me

>>7485243

Where is this from?

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>>7486606

>Weekly Famitsu Magazine from September 11th 1992 with a Mario Kart themed cover!

https://archive.org/details/weekly-famitsu-no.-195-september-11th-1992-600dpi/Weekly%20Famitsu%20-%20No.%20195%20September%2011th%201992/page/142/mode/2up

This is exactly why shit like this needs to be scanned. You get these little gems and art projects that would be otherwise lost to time.

>>7486198
Absolutely soulful, I wish they still experimented with Mario's design and artstyle like they used to.

>>7485243
I would kill for a modern game that had these graphics. Shitty 90s vhs filter and all.

It's weird how the Link's Awakening remake was close to looking like this.
They just chose the wrong style, honestly.

>>7486216
well, this makes me feel comfy

>>7486632
The style is pretty much the same, except for every "material" looking more plasticky in general. But the chibi characters and even the simulated macro-photography depth of field effect are there.

It's more a matter of how realistic lighting can be currently simulated with realtime 3D graphics; even with a next-gen AAA realtime raytraced engine and GI it would still not have been quite there yet.

>>7486632
>They just chose the wrong style, honestly.
Yeah, they did.

>>7485243
Oh wow anon I guess Thomas the Tank Engine is also pretty soulful. Get over yourself.

>>7486785
I'm not a drama queen but even I felt like I got a slap on the face when the reveal trailer switched from that awesome anime opening to the gameplay.

>>7486803
Compared to the randomly generated fetishy YouTube videos made by pajeets our kids are watching today on their tablets? Yeah, I'd say Thomas is pretty soulful.

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>>7485250
Looks like LA HD tried something in this look, but it just has that ugly porcelain gloss everywhere

>>7486858
Conceptually it works after all, as the intro/ending and the gameplay are separate realities in-universe. It's not as if 3D games imitating hand-drawn anime really do a good job of it anyway.

>>7486904
More like wet plastic, but the worst visual design decision was those black beady eyes! Literally and figuratively the most SOULLESS thing they could've done.

>>7486929
Idk it looked pretty soulful to me, are you sure those soullessness readings are accurate

>>7486946
Look into it's eyes anon.

>>7486162
Claymates & Clayfighter were blockbuster rental kino
https://youtube.com/watch?v=6bwooe8iIUU

>>7486879
Based and claypilled

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>>7486986
Rocking that wet Playmobil midgets with downs aesthetic

>>7486986
They tried but failed. The original has more soul. All remakes end up looking soulless. Link looks like a funko pop. The HD lighting and bloom makes him look plastic and not in a good way. HD was a mistake. It does look better as a diorama they made for E3.

>>7486946
It's too clean. It's like how the toys would look on the box, instead of how they look when you actually play with them.

soul of mana

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>>7485325
did they design these before release as actual models to work off of? if so, that's insanely cool

>>7487695
Nah man this is art done for a guidebook

>>7486904
Nooooooo they're bad and they ruined my childhood

>>7486162
The Neverhood was 100% clay, being an FMV game. Definitely soulful and they even made a spiritual successor called Armikrog a few years ago.

>>7486803
Thomas the Tank Engine is the definition of soulful.

>>7485243
it would be a dope idea to make a game like this, with prerendered graphics made with a real clay diorama. Think clayfighter except GOOD with more frames of animation, making a Zelda or FF game like this would be cool.

>>7488950
Hironobu Sakaguchi's new project is exactly that. Characters and certain elements are 3D graphics, but the backgrounds are real life physical dioramas. Only problem is it's only coming to Apple Arcade for now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH1ziPWeXMQ&ab_channel=IGN

>>7488973
thats neat senpai. Although i think it would be cooler to see a really charming looking game like an old school dragon quest done like this.

>>7485243
Why is his hair fucking pink

Don't give me that same color palette as his pink bunny sprite shit. He has brown and yellow on his sprite. They both look fine and readable. Give me a reason right now. You can't. It's fucking stupid.

>>7488645
Before the spiritual sequel they did a couple of actual sequels. Skullmonkeys is a messy but fun platformer and looks fucking great

>>7488973
It's a bit disappointing; the backgrounds look great, but the characters and monsters seem just generic jRPG fare slapped on top.

Seems like the same approach as Truberbrook (real model sets scanned through photogrammetry for realtime 3D) but done with less charm.

>>7489154
Nintendo just doesn't get Zelda fans are street-hardened Chads that want their electronic toys gritty and manly

>>7486216
Do you have any more stuff like this? Very comfy love old soulfull animal crossing

>>7489828
Perfect timing, anon.
Here's a link to more of the ACGCN Nintendo Power scans
https://imgur.com/a/EkCLx#aZP4ml5
Enjoy!

>>7485243
no

>>7489867
But enough quoting your last date, we're discussing SOUL here

>>7485243
You'd need a 3090 to replicate this scene accurately at like 15fps.

>>7489879
NOOOOOO devs just cant get it right. If only they LISTENED to us

>>7485361
The only one I know that's actually in a museum, and I saw it in person last year, was the original Creatures level. Having played it thoroughly as a kid, then seeing it decades later, was genuinely amazing.

>>7489887
Never played this, only saw screenshots in magazines. I always assumed it was a render

>>7489906
So did I. I suppose back in those days it would have taken a lot of time and computing horsepower to render something as complex as that. Physically crafting this might have been easier depending on budget and time, or maybe they just knew a guy.

>>7486879
what a great design... what is this from????

>>7489221
But it's blonde in the art

>>7489865
Ty anon

>>7486774
That shit's terrifying

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Absolute goldmine thread lads

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>>7491878
I'm glad somebody posted it

>>7486913
I'd say it can, but that it's extremely difficult and labor-intensive. Dragonball FighterZ is a good example; Their effects were so difficult and laborious that they almost would have just been better off doing a 2D game.

On the upshot, they did develop good skills for doing those kinds of 3D things.

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I mean realistically, anything digitized from photos/clay models/etc. is just another form of sprites. Sprites were a compromise for low-resolution screens; Now that we can do 720p or 1080p or even 2160p as a target, the possibilities are there for very high-quality 2D visuals which essentially match real photos of clay scenes, or of artwork, etc. There's no reason you couldn't make all of your animations identically to how they did it in The Neverhood/SkullMonkeys, but as super high-detailed images sampled for 1080p or 4K screens. That's essentially what games like Rayman Legends, Ultimate Chicken Horse, or Wario Land Shake It are designed to be.

>>7491797
Clay Asha from MW4

I think Kirby Rainbow Curse did this idea the best way yet
Just make 3D models and animate them to look like clay rather than actually making clay

>>7485268
terrible spinoff by chibi robo killer

>>7491984
Problem is, the low resolution (even as "high" low as Neverhood around 480p) worked BECAUSE it was low, as everything was kind of scrunched and blended together. An HD digitized game not done with extreme competence would look terrible and "cheap" even if (or rather, specially if) it was fucking 4K

>>7485250
Fuuuuuuuck these are so good. I really want to try to emulate something in this vein. Got anymore?

>>7491970
That's an entirely different thread (which we sort of had last week iirc, thought there was almost no civil discussion). ASW's is still a case all on their own anyway because their savvy and pipeline are pretty special; anyway their work in fighting games is awesome, but it's tricky to say whether the same approach would work for "free camera" gameplay like a Zelda game's

>>7493484
Just these up there for Zelda I think; all these come from old Famitsus that are being digitized lately. They occassionally used that sort of thing

>>7493458
I don't understand why. It sounds like you are just defending older video technology out of a sense of nostalgia.

>>7493705
Not really, I'm not claiming older tech is inherently better, that would be just dumb. But limitations help disguise other limitations.

If you saw a digitized actor or model overlayed on a digitized photo background in crisp HD, your brain would notice inconsistencies in lighting and general integration more readily than in a low resolution game, specially in motion. So getting good results for superior technology involve leveraging at least proportionally superior savvy.

>>7488645
They did a TV show as well called Plasmo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5jADMBKfEs
It's legitimately SOUL the TV show.

>>7493441
Xanadu what nintendont

Really cool thread. I can't think of anybody doing this sort of thing for promo art after 2000, except for a couple of Nintendo games like Pikmin and some Kirby one

>>7493769
I'd buy it more if you had any proof rather than vague assertions and screen grabs. I can see just in that image that the shadows are inconsistent between the clay man and the background. What is 480p doing for this imagery that higher resolutions would not?

>>7485696
There have been some games which have used stop motion graphic techniques, The Swapper's a good example. Looks beautiful.

>>7494820
That gif >>7493769 wasn't really in support of a statement. This is a thread about nice photography-based visuals, so I contributed nice photography-based visuals while I was replying, as I'm doing now.

Again as I said in both posts above, I'm not claiming a modern game with digitized assets can't work, simply that it is actually more difficult to pull off properly to an equivalent level of final quality. The smart thing is to take an extreme stylistical approach, as is the case of The Swapper >>7494840 (the harsh lighting and small scale help), or Armikrog (nearly abstract characters and environments, and everything being made of clay as a unifier). Both do an ok job of compositing independent elements into a cohesive whole, but a more naturalistic look like in the Famitsu dioramas would be way trickier to achieve.

My point of view can be argued as any other, but I did mention the argument I'm basing it on: the more information there is, the easier it is to tell what's wrong with it. It's a pretty simple and universal concept, and specially true for visual arts. Proof and arguments aren't quite the same thing but since the former is rare, it's a good idea to at least provide some of the latter. Else all you've got is an opinion for the sake of itsel, and believing that a failure to volunteer anything to support it that could be argued against counts as proving it right by default is, if not silly, at least difficult to call "discussing" at all.

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>>7497495
What game is this?

>>7497575
Google says The Oni Taiji - Mezase! 2-daime Momotarou, some kind of board game

>>7497502
Given how they didn't even bother to put a set together, they probably just shot some existing japanese collectables for the western release cover of this one. The original is a (heavily unmarketable) illustration iirc.

Kind of what likely happened with SD Snatcher, which was probably inspired as a whole by chibi merchandising to begin with.

>>7489887
Wow I haven't thought of that game in forever. This is insane who even built this

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>>7498338
Lol DK looks derpy as hell

>>7486162
super mario RPG.
also the trees in mario 64

>>7485327
>Showing Yoshi at the top of the castle
dude spoiler you're image ffs