/vr/ - Retro Games

Playing 1.3 Content right now, liking the black mage changes

>>747687
I never got into those, I've only played the originals...

Just wondering, is that like an emulator?

And is that where people play like "Hard mode FFT"?

>>747690
*on an emulator

>>747690
Yeah, on an emulator. Some of the mods can get pretty challenging (or frustrating, depending on your play style)

>>747681
Are there any hacks that make the dialogue not shit?

>>747703
One day I might attempt that, sounds like a decent challenge

>>747717
Which dialogue do you think is shit? The PS one or the War of the lions one?

Picture related, it is dialogue from the original game

>>747687
What does that change?

>>747728
As far as black mages, the elemental spells aren't just copies of the same thing. The fire spell is quick-casting, but single-target, and can inflict Oil (which now works as advertised). The lightning spell hits a line of 7 squares in front of you instantly. Other spells and job classes have been reworked as well.

Oh, and enemies have more skills can use phoenix down. You got to lure them with a target to kill or block off their allies' corpses until they crystallize.

So last time I made this thread, it went to 500+ posts, and we were arguing how the story went..

What female characters were raped, which ones were implied..

And if Ramza and Alma lived at the very end.

I love those topics.

>>747752
>And if Ramza and Alma lived at the very end.

>>747763
s-so it's the truth then? That was brought up in the last thread as well..

But doesn't it make the game better if they both were to die?

picture mildly related

Bumping for fft.

>>747681
Awesome game. I played the original countless times.

Playing WotL right now, on my PSP, with that lag removing patch.

man, back then i was hoping to get Izlude on my party.
>>747752
but who was rape?

>>747752
Rafa was abused by the priest. It's implied in the PS version, at least.

>>748540
This. Any claims of other characters being raped are totally baseless and pretty much just fetish-projection.

>>747725
PS1 maybe. The game has little to no hint of comedy that you can only get a laugh out of the translations IMO

Is the PSX version the right place to start? Should I play Tactics Ogre before or after?

I got the iOS version a while ago and tried it for the first time a couple weeks ago. Is it expected that someone will die in the very first battle? Or am I just doing it all fucking wrong?

>>748567
By first battle I assume you mean the first real battle and not the church one where you only control Ramza?

It's quite possible to win without any deaths, but that early on it's extremely easy to replace generic humans, so don't beat yourself up over it.

>>748598
It's the church one (I think -- out in front of a building) where I only control Ramza. So I guess Ramza isn't able to prevent some friendly deaths from happening?
So I shouldn't worry about it?

>>748610
Nah, don't worry about it. It's just a tutorial stage.

>>748614
Also, death isn't permanent unless the unit is dead long enough to turn into a crystal or chest.

>>748614
Cool, thanks. I had a bad experience with Tactics Ogre on the SNES (got stuck on a certain battle, and no amount of grinding would help), so I'm worried about this, but I'll give it a shot.

>>748634
There are a few... sticky fights in FFT. I would make a habit of alternating saves.
It's not as hard as the original Tactics Ogre though.

>>748473
What, what? I didn't know that patch existed.

>>748682
Yeah, it fixes the resolution and everything. Really easy to patch, too.

http://ffhacktics.com/smf/index.php?topic=8490.0

>>748640
>not alternating saves in every RPG ever
Really, people that got stuck in the fight against Wiegraf had it coming.

>>748698
>http://ffhacktics.com/smf/index.php?topic=8490.0

That is awesome. Thanks!

>>748698
newfag at psp modding here. Lets assume I have a PSP and WOTL, how do I patch this?

>>748756
put cfw on psp.
put plugins on psp.
Enable plugins.
Play game.

Bump for great Tactics

So what job is the least valuable in your opinion?

If the job has a valuable skill set, that renders them somewhat important..

Anyways, I've never found much value with the archer.

>>749278
Bonus points for Power Ranking the worst jobs

>>748721

>>749278
Archer isn't versatile, but if you study the turn list, you can pull off ridiculous charges on enemies that just moved and often cripple them right off the bat. Unfortunately, no secondary ability really supplements it well except for those that are universally useful.

Time Mage is terrible as a primary class. You want its abilities so you can attach it to another class, but it can't do anything much on its own besides the occasional Haste, so you need a strong secondary before you can really grind up.

Samurai has a couple cool abilities, but I always feel like it's a clunky class. I don't like using it.

I never feel compelled to make a Geomancer, ever, and to this date I have never even used Dancer, Bard, or Mime to even know if they suck or not.

>>749308
I like the group you threw out there...

Except Geomancer and Samurai, I'll try to give them an arguement

So Geomancer is pretty good because of their geomancing ability (of course). It's mana-free, Instant damage that always hits.

The geomancy magic hits in a traditional 5 tile area, and deals minor damage, but the important thing is it ALWAYS hits the target, no matter what their evade is.

Also, they could use swords/axes, so they make good fighters as well.

Samurai's at first glance ARE a clunky class, great way to describe them.

They can't wield a shield to my knowledge, and their damage is pretty minimal for a katana user.

However, the ability of the katana's can be amazing. If you stock up on multiple katana's of every type, most of the moves can do quite a lot..

Such as a large area effect heal, damage in a large area, or damage in a line, lot's of different things

I love the stuff people say when they come back from a mission.

>This is the way!
>Thanks to Priest, we were able to...

>>749337
Lmao

>Marcus: So Jett was exploring the cave..

>Jett: And then I stumbled into a monster!

>Leon: It was huge!

>Marcus: But we were determined, and eventually destroyed the beasts!"

Jett: We went further in the cave, and found the treasure!!!

*Moment of waiting*

*1320 Gil found*

Jett: And we stumbled upon a bag of money!

Jett: 28 exp

Marcus: 29 exp

Leon: 92 exp

>>749351

Such a small thing yet my friends and I still makes jokes about that stuff

>>749358
I wish I had friends like that to make inside jokes about FFT

That is a pretty small thing, I never gave it much significance, but now that I think of it, the dialogue is quite funny

Honestly one of the best games I ever played.
If I can just gush for a second

>FUCKING TG CID
>CHOCOBOS
>YOU HAD A CHICK THAT COULD TURN INTO A DRAGON
>HOLY SHIT A ROBOT AWESOME OH GOD HE KILLED MUSTADIO
>AUGH I FUCKIN' LOVE JOB CLASSES
>DUAL WIELDING EXCALIBUR AND SAVE THE QUEEN AND DRAGOON JUMPING ON EVERYTHING
>I LOVE THIS GAME

Seriously though, it's pretty good.

>>749391
>dual wielding knight swords

Man I love Knight Swords...

Only thing I wish I could change, is that

There was an "Equip Knight Sword" Ability.

The game is so customizable, yet..

>I can't equip a knight sword to my black mage

God I love this game though.

>>747725
The PS1 release.

>>749319
During late game my primary damage dealer is a Wizard with Draw Out, stacked with any MA boosting equipment I can stick on her. She's a total wrecking ball (when she's alive, that is)

>>748563
Play the PSP version of Tactics Ogre after you finish FFT.
If you play FFT on the PSP make sure to get the patch that removes the slowdown. If you play it on the PSX get the patch that replaces the script with the PSP versions script.

>>747681
>Do you love Final Fantasy?
No, I loathe it.
>Do you love tactics?
Thankfully, yes, I like FFT just like I love other Ogre Battle games.

>>750697
As far as a tactical game goes, where do you rank it?

>>750676
Not him, but I'm quite disapointed 1.3 Content is not compatible with the WotL script patch.

>>751434
Towards the top. It's a great and complex game with a very good story and an amazing soundtrack.

It can be easily broken, but so can most other stat-based games, and it's easily fixable by a single rule: play without random encounters. If you only EVER play story battles and never grind purposefully (keeping enemies alive with spells etc.), it's a very challenging, very tactical and very rewarding experience.

>>751462
How do you play the game without random encounters? Is it another hack?

Also, I love the soundtrack as well. Being big into video game soundtracks, I really love FFT.

Especially songs like Antipyretic..and In Pursuit, Antidotes good also

>>751479
>How do you play the game without random encounters? Is it another hack?
They are rare. Just reload if you get one while travelling. You don't have to do this too often, because for the most part you don't have to travel over green tiles all that much.

>>751489
ooo Idk man, I get a decent amount of random encounters, If I had to reset each time that happend, that would be a lot of resets.

I see your point however of making it more rewarding, but it seems like too much of a hassle. If they had that option, that would be pretty neat though.

I always wanted to ask this question of FFT fans. I played it a bit never got far because I suck at it or just boring to my taste.

What is the use for recruiting have mook characters? When Named characters are better in almost every way.

Why give named characters, say Agiras any other job than their default (Ramza excluded)? When her Holy Knight default job is better than most other jobs in every way? Other named characters are even stronger.

Why use White mages when Chemists are better at healing and can even use guns?

The job system is amazing on paper but to me it seem that is full of redundancy. Since everyone can have 4 active skills at once. There are only a few skills that are actually needed. For instance is there any otehr reason to level up a knight besides learning to wear heavy armor (and unlocking other jobs).

It seems like you have so many opportunities to choose from but most of them are just there for novelty's sake.

Since those Battles that matter will be fought by the super powered named characters anyways.

All this coupled by the game's unusually high difficulty (in FF standards at least) and time consuming grinding, doesn't that eliminates the need for a job system at the first place?

>>751616
>extreme difficulty

Not really man, the game is pretty easy, the only difficult parts could be the battles against the zodiak braves, and cave with many levels

I kind of disagree with the jobs being redundant..

I mean some are obviously not as good as others, but it's all about customization. If you like the abilities of certain jobs, you could combine that with a different job.

And yea, white mages suck, but who actually uses white mage anyway?

Agreed with named characters and their home job. They should stay that job, and probably master chemist for secondary.

>>751616
>What is the use for recruiting have mook characters? When Named characters are better in almost every way.
Technically, you can probably get better stats if you level a guy all the way from 1. But in general, yeah, having the extra skill set just seems to make the others better.

>Why give named characters, say Agiras any other job than their default (Ramza excluded)? When her Holy Knight default job is better than most other jobs in every way?
Because variety is still good even if you've got costless sword skills, and you'd get bored if you couldn't further develop those characters. There are situations where those sword skills or Mustadio's aiming aren't necessarily the best option for them. It's rare, but it's just good to have options.

>Why use White mages when Chemists are better at healing and can even use guns?
If you keep your units close and supporting each other, healing spells are very effective considering they target multiple units. Plus, they get other buffs too, whereas Chemist only heals single targets and status effects. But, I will say that Phoenix Downs are a much safer option in cases where your Raise can actually miss and fuck you over.

>The job system is amazing on paper but to me it seem that is full of redundancy. Since everyone can have 4 active skills at once. There are only a few skills that are actually needed. For instance is there any otehr reason to level up a knight besides learning to wear heavy armor (and unlocking other jobs).
It's true, the system could have used some polishing and rearranging. In the case of the Knight, breaking equipment can be really fucking crippling, especially weapons. You can sometimes turn some really strong human enemies into mice with that kind of shit. Skill break isn't really as useful though; it's nice if you know someone's just going to be auto-attacking you but most of the time you should just be damaging them instead.

>>751675
>weapon/armor break

Is so annoying when an enemy does it to your rare piece of equipment, and you have to reset the game

What is the coolest attack sequence combination?

For example, Let's say you had 2 knights, one with weapon block, and the other with counter

Knight attacks knight with counter, and the knight blocks with his shield.

And then that knight uses counter, and your knight blocks with weapon block

It's really cool when it plays out like that, sword hits shield, and then 2 swords clash.

It all happens simultaneously too

>>751689
Or stolen. Every time I see a thief I react like I've just seen a really jumpy spider.

I love War of the Lions.

Any way to combine retransaltion patch with 1.3 Content or even 1.3?
This is all I need to restar playing imediately.

>>751616
Bitch, it's all about Your Guys (and Gals). You make the mooks into walking death machines. You cultivate them into new heights of strength.

It's like X-Com or Ogre Battle. The generic, no story, unlucky enough to be following your orders units are what make the game great.

You build them. You give them purpose. They're yours and not another writers.

Like I remember my first ever playthrough and I was going against Velius. Motherfucker had me dead to rights and I thought I was gonna have to try again. Most of my party dead and who saves my ass?

Generic Lancer out of fucking nowhere. A generic was the hero of that fight. Not Ramza. Not Agrias. Not Mustadio.

The named characters are great but they take away from the challenge and the chance to create something wholly your own.

>>751759
>>Bitch, it's all about Your Guys (and Gals). You make the mooks into walking death machines. You cultivate them into new heights of strength. It's like X-Com or Ogre Battle. The generic, no story, unlucky enough to be following your orders units are what make the game great. You build them. You give them purpose. They're yours and not another writers.

That EXACTLY is what I want to have but I can't because they are redundant novelty items, like I said the important battles are there for the named characters who have their own superior jobs and you cannot even remove them from the battle because it is scripted they have to be there.

I would gthrow all my money to Square if they would make an FFT that is like X-com. Make the character jobs not be 90% redundant and remove make the named characters optional choices. Like have them deliver their story like they are present at the battlefield they are just not there instead they are in the background.

>>751704
I know, and I'm like

"Why did they need to steal my shit for?, It's not like they are going to use it later, they are the f***** computer...."

>>751759
>generic lancer saved the day

I will always remember you, Kain, my generic Lancer, for killing the last unit while all other bodies were dead.

>>751616
it's been a while since I've played FFT so some of this might be off.

>What is the use for recruiting have mook characters? When Named characters are better in almost every way.
better Zodiac compatibility among your squad, access to the squire skillset as opposed to the special class ones(mostly just for accumulate).

>Why give named characters, say Agiras any other job than their default (Ramza excluded)? When her Holy Knight default job is better than most other jobs in every way? Other named characters are even stronger.

Stat growths. IIRC Agrias's holy knight job class has pretty bad stat growths and doesn't really shine till Knight swords start coming in.(sadly Orlandu outclasses her and the entire game)

>Why use White mages when Chemists are better at healing and can even use guns?
Holy sniping, early AoE healing, better revive spells.

>The job system is amazing on paper but to me it seem that is full of redundancy. Since everyone can have 4 active skills at once. There are only a few skills that are actually needed. For instance is there any otehr reason to level up a knight besides learning to wear heavy armor (and unlocking other jobs).

To be fair the knight skillset by itself isn't very good, mostly due to low accuracy and Knight's terrible speed at the start. However combine say the Knight skillset with Mustadio or chemists with guns or just slap equip crossbows on a knight then you have a fairly annoying unit. But yes, the job system's balance is a joke. Hence, the reason mods like the ones at Insane difficulty or FFHacktics exist.

>All this coupled by the game's unusually high difficulty
lol

tactics was the best Final Fantasy spinoff (or, spin off of any game ever) and deserves either a sequel on a modern console or atleast a proper remake (non of that half assed hand held shit). The original tactics is easily my favorite game of all time.

>>752336
>The Game's unusually high difficulty

doubt

>>752429
>non of that half assed hand held shit)
its a sad world.
i know toooo many people who fucking drool over new hand held games. to be more precise. these handheld games are on smart phones.

its some bs

>>752446
FFT: Advance for the the GBA was pretty good and had a decent story. FFT: A2 had good gameplay (as expected) but the story seemed really half assed. Like there was so much buildup in the first 3/4 of the game the last3 or 4 chapters felt extremely rushed and full of loose ends.

Any opinions on whether it's better to play the original FFT (PS1) or the iOS WotL version first? I'm getting annoyed by the controls on the iOS, but I'm worried that it has some major improvements (in what area, I don't know) over the PS1 version.

>>749278

Concentrate is a great ability from archers. That's usually all I ever get, so as soon as I clear 400 points I'm out of there.

>>753114
Concentrate is a pretty good ability, and I agree probably the only reason why the archer is used

(that and to unlock the thief class) haha

>>747681
Whatever happened to that guy in a wheelchair?

I always liked him?

>>747681

Not to shit up the thread, maybe more just spur discussion

I just can't get in to FFT yet I love Fire Emblem and Advance Wars

I just feel like FFT is very slow in it's gameplay.

In FE and AW you can do every thing super fast and everything feels nice and streamlined

In FFT everything is rather nice except I just feel like the game moves at a snails pace

Is this just me or are there others who feel the same

I want to like the PS1 original, I really do but it bores the shit out of me

>>752519
>how can we shoehorn ffx12 characters in here?
Yeah, story's shit but the mechanics are the best in the series.

>>753579
This aint no thread bout FFT on gameboy..that game was baaaad

Battle Ogre is much better even though the graphics are worse.

>>754410
I also feel like Tactics Ogre is more refined and that characters and dialogue are better written.

you can also recruit golems and lizardmen. cool.

>>756094
I especially like the fact that you can shoot arrows and rocks ABOVE your own units if they are in the way. much unlike FFT where your archer always thinks he has to shoot right through the kidneys of your mage.

>>753624
Yes, I agree with this. I'm used to the fast pace of Advance Wars and Disgaea. FFT has such a lazy pace, I just can't get into it.

>>757395
It does move at a slow pace, but it could move faster if you prefer not to grind out job points and what not

>>751452
Check that again

>>757395
Are they all the same game in different skins though?

>>756116
Bows do arc over teamates/rocks/buildings.
Crossbows do not.

Is this the game where that one dude manipulates everyone?

>>760067
ah, that's why. my bad.

>>760142
you mean every FF game ever? yeah, totally.

Are Lancers the best job in tactics?

>can hit 2 squares range

>>760353
you can play "Vlad: The Impaler" like that and pierce right through 2 enemy units. I think the damage is halfed though? seemed like it in Tactics Ogre where it's very similar.

>>760416
No, it would only hit the first unit in the path, the second would remain unaffected

That would be cool if you could damage both though

>>760424
Yea, I'm pretty sure it only hits one unit at full power

>>760424
>>760427
interesting. I haven't got to the point yet in FFT where I had a lance to use but in Tactics Ogre, you can indeed smack both and do damage to both units.

I've spent sooooo many hours playing this game. I maxed out my levels and had all of the characters learned every ability for every job class. Great times

>>760463
I can't write today. I meant to say *learn