/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7479839
Can you explain why you think that OP.

>>7479839
Wish those white JP Saturns weren't so prone to yellowing, otherwise they look fucking badass

>>7479839
Most powerful at destroying its creator company, yeah.

>>7479857
That's Dreamcast, Bernie.

>>7479839
Is the controller on the right as awkward to use as it looks?

>>7479870
More comfortable than the PS1 controller

>>7479870
It's actually quite nice for the few games that reallu use it

>"One very fast central processor would be preferable. I don't think all programmers have the ability to program two CPUs—most can only get about one-and-a-half times the speed you can get from one SH-2. I think that only 1 in 100 programmers are good enough to get this kind of speed [nearly double] out of the Saturn."
—Yu Suzuki reflecting on Saturn Virtua Fighter development[18]

>>7479870
It has handles on its back, so it's not as awkward as it seems.

>>7479863
>decline was at its sharpest when the Saturn was being supported and then leveled out during the Dreamcast's lifespan

Shiturncels can't even read graphs correctly...

>The Saturn had technically impressive hardware at the time of its release, but its complexity made harnessing this power difficult for developers accustomed to conventional programming.[149] The greatest disadvantage was that both CPUs shared the same bus and were unable to access system memory at the same time. Making full use of the 4 KB of cache memory in each CPU was critical to maintaining performance. For example, Virtua Fighter used one CPU for each character,[18] while Nights used one CPU for 3D environments and the other for 2D objects.[150]

>>7479839
Even that Shenmue, optimized to the nines, cutscene shit wasn't all that impressive. It was still fullbright and grainy in that Saturny way.

>>7479883
>stable income in Saturn's midlife
>wasted money on marketing budget to spin Dreamcast before Sony eats Sega's lunch

>>7479895
The damage was already done to Sega's image thanks to the Shiturn's failure. Dreamcast put up an admirable effort but it wasn't quite enough to save the company, unfortunately.

>>7479839
Dude just slap 8 processors together! The programmers will make it work

>>7479863
The largest decline is when the Saturn was failing lol. Playstation and N64 were still going strong in 1997 so no excuses. Learn to read.

>>7479917
Let's not forget a basically unused FM chip too. Anything to raise both our costs and the consumer's.

>>7479857
>>7479883
>>7479910
t. seething Nincel allowing the Sega Saturn to live in his head, rent-free.

>>7479870
It's like the Dreamcast controller but much, much better.

>>7479928
I hate Shitendo. Nice try tho kid.

>>7479925
>Let's not forget a basically unused FM chip too.

FM wasn't unused in the SCSP. It worked by every channel being capable of modulating every other channel. It could do anything from 32 channel 1-op to 8 channel 4-op to 1 channel 32-op modulation. It was an integral part of how the chip worked. And plenty of games used it although mostly just for subtle effects like a pitch bend.

>>7479921
The 1997 decline is because they had to sell the console for $199 which meant every sold console generated a loss of at least $199 or more. Hence the gigantic losses. So their genius solution was to not send units to the market, because then they won't generate losses. That's why Saturn declined from 1997 globally and why Bernie told everyone the Saturn is not their future.

The more problem is that Sega wanted to sell the Dreamcast for $250 so they could make money on hardware sales, but Bernie announced the console for $200 and Sega had to follow suit. That amounted to even more losses in the DC era.

>>7479863
>the saturn is not our future
>said in 1997
>1998 sega collapses into deep debt
Yeah no it really was bernie stolar being a godawful ceo that was already fired by sony for being a joke

>>7479994
Guess you could say crippling, insolvent debt was their future

>>7479994
I love that calling a system that was as relevant as the jaguar dead, at the end of 97, a full 3 years after its launch and after repeated showcases of no one gaving a shit about it, is what the killed the Saturn in your retarded weeb mind.

>>7480026
Yep, due to stolar who was incompetent and had no business leading any company

>>7480089
The saturn was fine in 95 and 96, 97 it was showing weaknesses but after e3 it was completely dead with sega having nothing until the dreamcast thanks to stolars infamous speech

I’m convinced stolar was a sony plant who was “fired” with a generous severance package to destroy sega

>>7480141
>The saturn was fine in 95 and 96
yeah sure it was. try not talking about things when you weren't even born yet. the system was totally irrelevant to the mainstream public, most people had no idea anything besides the Genesis existed, and the few people who knew the Saturn did exist like gaming publications spent all their time shitting on it and mocking it.

>>7479845
pure virgin energy

>>7479940
False-flagging is something you Nincels do. Nice try.

>>7480153
>>7480153
It was behind the psx sure, but it could’ve had an n64 like fate if it essentially hadn’t been left to die in 97 and 98 and stolar didn’t leave it with no games either

>>7480141
>I’m convinced stolar was a sony plant who was “fired” with a generous severance package to destroy sega
I think he was a Nintendo plant considering his history before and around Sega.

>>7480186
the Saturn came out in 94 and had barely sold 1m by 97. the Saturn couldn't have been anything, it was literally jaguar/3DO/n-gage tier. the only people who would say something this stupid are larping weeb hipsters who weren't even alive then

>>7479845
Can you explain why you think OP is capable of thinking?

>>7480186
>but it could’ve had an n64
nin had games for their last gen console
sega didn't.
sega burned their fans with the various add-ons and consoles they were developing: mega-cd, 32x, nomad, cdx, neptune and their real next gen console: the complicated, 3d underpowered saturn.
nin fans kept waiting for the ultra 64.
sega fans lost their thrust in sega.

hey look at these next gen graphics the Saturn was capable of in 1998 after master sega programmers had 4 years to hone their skills. It runs in butter smooth 10fps

>>7479882

It's about the same size as a Dreamcast controller and feels about the same. The Dreamcast controller can be heavier to hold when both VMU slots are full.

>>7480141
>I’m convinced stolar was a sony plant who was “fired” with a generous severance package to destroy sega
entirely possible, ken kutaragi & 90s sony were total psychopaths, desperate to swallow up marketshares at any cost

>>7480323
DC pad vs Xbox's Duke

>>7479839
I don't understand why both sega and nintendo downgraded their controllers to 4 face buttons for the "next gen" systems

>>7480309
This might look like poor emulation, but it's actually direct capture.

>>7479994
if a company bigger than you fires a CEO then ummmmmm maybe don't hire him

>>7480309
This game is so fucking ugly and boring lmao youre just awkardly flipping over platforms with a shitty ass camera shooting at flames (SHOOTING not even putting it out with water or an airblast but just shooting). Its the definition of style over substance. Sonic Team was never good.

>>7480192
Nintendo is a creepy company if i'm going to be honest with you... They are hyper paraniod about industrial espionage, projection? They literally stole the 6502 design and sloppily lopped off the patented parts.

>>7480383
>Sonic Team was never good.
This. The first three Sonic games were the only things of worth they ever made.

>>7480383
yeah literally every other Sega studio put out better games
>AM2
>Smilebit
>Hitmaker

>>7480384
>They literally stole the 6502 design and sloppily lopped off the patented parts.
Elaborate??

>>7480368
>Colored light
T E C H N O L O G Y. But seriously, Exhumed did that better

>>7480368
>>7480390
Yeah, it's cherrry picked capture too. We know you hate the Saturn because there's no Mario, you can move along now.

>>7480551
The game's like five minutes long. Those aren't cherrypicking when they're basically half the game.

>>7480390
That's some pretty aggressive object culling.

saturn thread, saved from the grave