/vr/ - Retro Games

Yes. This discussion shouldn't be had anymore at all.

>>7442637
Outside of saving your position so you can come right back to it later (pretend you left your console on), yes it's cheating. You're giving yourself an unfair advantage.

However, stop making this fucking thread. No one here is going to know that you cheated. All I ask is that you stay out of discussions where people are talking about how hard or tedious something is.

>>7442637
Yeah.

>>7442637
Its cheating but who fucking cares? do what you want

>>7442637
Only autists who want the inordinate number of hours they dumped on electronic children toys to mean something would need to think so.

>>7442637
>Is load/save state cheating?
Yes.

>Does it matter?
No.

>Is this a shit thread?
Absolutely!

>>7442637
Yes but playing games like Abe's Odyssey without it will give you PTSD

>>7442637
It depends entirely on the circumstances. Doing it to get over that fucking jump in 7-1 on Revenge of Shinobi for example? Yes, it's cheating. Doing it because you can't be fucked writing down a password and it's just a time saver for when you inevitably fuck up and need to restart the level? That's cool, keep at it.

>>7442637
Quick saving was the norm in most retro PC games so why don't console games have it?

>>7442675
Imagine being filtered by funny green fart man

Consoles were incapable of it so it's pushed as "it's a feature" and "it's cheating". Save states are okay... Save scumming isn't that okay. It means you aren't enjoying the game and should just stop playing. Watch a let play or play a better game.

Yes, but I personally like using save states to replay boss fights or sections of games that otherwise can't be returned to.

>>7442651
This is why the discussion lives on, anon. There are people who DO consider it still beating the game after they used save states on bosses etc. And they would say you're gatekeeping.
The way i see it is, go ahead and lie to yourself and others about your accomplishments but it makes you a piece of shit, especially when it comes to friends or family.

>>7442718
I would argue that the reason those old passwords are so long/annoying is part of the punishment for losing, and you are avoiding it.

>>7442637
It depends how you use it.
Most pre-64 bit games were brutally unfair, in that dying too many times would send you back all the way to the VERY BEGINNING. Sure, there are *sometimes* passwords, but at that point, you can just select any level you want and skip the whole game, so it's pointless.
There's also those games which do have infinite continues, but that need to be completed in one sitting, cuz there's no password. It's fine if you're an expert already, but if you're new, you don't have time to beat Castlevania all in one sitting.
These games deserve to be save stated at the beginning of levels. That's perfectly fine.
Save stating in the middle of levels though, that's cringe.
Yes I'm a zoomer btw

no cuz its faster than using virtual memory card to save/load your game. and my silent hill for some reason refusing to detect memcard 1

it's also faster than typing passwords manually

>>7442637
You're cheating yourself by using ePSXe

>>7442750
Not filtered it's a great game, but the dying/respawning animation is just too long, the more you die the more you will see it.
Reloading the checkpoint isn't even cheating, it's just saving time.

>>7442785
you would give up from frustration sooner without it, so it's an aid to you

>>7442637
no and it will never be

>>7442637
yes always has and will always be

>>7442785
>Not filtered

>>7442850
look up the meaning of filtered retard

It's totally necessary to cheat and use save states, especially if it's your first time playing

But it depends on the game, obviously

>>7442846
Kek, didn't know based Jon commented on this. Considering how shit he is at games, it's surprising, but based nonetheless.

>>7442637
Yes, but I don't care. It has helped me get through games much faster and experience much more. I am aware though that the feeling isn't the same when you beat it but it's worth cancelling all the unnecessary frustration and experiencing more games.

>>7443429
Oh, and also I started with the nes so I went through the hell of that era already legitly, I'm grandfathered into being able to use save states guilt free.

This thread again

>>7442637
I would recommend the Splatterhouse series to cheatfags because it's worth playing just for the graphics and music

>>7442775
>using the password is punishment for losing
Dumbest take I've ever heard on this. Is losing your extra lives when you use a password an intentional punishment for not completing the game in one sitting?

Save state the first time through. If you end up liking it alot then play through again without save states.

>>7442884
>Irony

>>7442775
You're damn right I'm ignoring it. I also use the accelerator button when I'm grinding in JRPGs to make a boring as shit grinding session go quicker. Is that cheating too?

>>7442637
No. I don't have time to fight 256+ random battles for a fucking rare drop. That's just a time suck.

>>7442637
Yes but i don't give a shit.

>>7442637
A cheater for using savestates, no
A faggot for using epsxe, yes

>>7442775
I'm going to guess that you're 100% wrong and that the length of the password is probably determined by how many variables the game is trying to keep track of.

>>7442637
No.
I'm not a masochist.
Fuck the devs for making such unfair games back then.
3rd and 4th gen games are now playable.
Thank god for save states because now I can finish those games.

Back in my day, we had a thing called the Game Genie. Sure, it was cheating to give yourself moonjump and hop over everything, but it was fun so nobody gave a shit. If you wanna use save states to make the game more entertaining, go for it.

>>7442637
Consoles just didn't have proper hard drives.
/end

>>7442779
Just use memory card 2 dumbass.

>>7443520
This but the opposite.

>>7442637
Yes but so what? Ever tried to complete Lost Vikings without a clue or savescum? Good luck with that! Aint nobody got time fo dat.

>>7442637
Some people are into bread..
And some people are In bread...
If you like fat girls, You don't have to let us all know. But fat girls do attract gays like a fagnet...

>beat 5 puzzles
>fail puzzle 6
>game over
>you have to do the same 5 puzzles again to get to 6
>"no, fuck that, i'm not wasting my time"
>load save state
>retry 6, beat it and move on to 7

>>7442637
The absolute truth about cheating(yes including savestates), is that, if you beat a game without cheats, it was and still is an accomplishment. Its not necessarily bad to use cheats, its just not using cheats is a merit you dont get to claim... And if that upsets you, then you might want to think why that is.

It's cheating but it's law that save stating is the only way to play Tomb Raider

>>7442637
Who the fuck cares.
Only trannies boast about not using save states.
You're not a tranny, are you?

>>7445449
this

>>7445454
save state fags wont mention they scummed unless asked, and no one wants to ask because they cant be bothered and it's rude. The scummer prays he isn't pressed further.

>>7442637
Don't PC games have that built in

>>7442675
It will give you PTSD... as the developers intended.

>>7442637
It's not only cheating, but it also irreversibly damages your brain. I cannot function or hold a job because of how I abused save states in my teen years. I fall into repetitive patterns and grind at things to the point of torture, failing to grasp the wholeness of any task. I have been living on disability and they're ready to throw me into a psychiatric unit, all because of FUCKING SAVESTATES T_T

It would have been better to do METH than to abuse savestates, I wish I had known that when I started.

>>7446109
kys retard

>>7442846

Based.

>>7442637
yes

>>7445753
I lol'd but I tell me friends without being asked that I save state my dick off. My friend is finally gonna get a PC and I'm gonna encourage him to do the same, but he's already done that on ports of old games with the function built in.

>>7444182
This is completely true. Games with shorter passwords tend to just put you right back in the level with nothing changed, while longer passwords like Metroid or Castlevania 2 keeps track of your powerups, areas opened, bosses killed, etc.
Zombies Ate My Neighbors only has 4-character passwords, but because of that it doesn't keep track of your items at all. Later in the game it's the equivalent of teleporting a 5 year old kid into the middle of a middle-eastern battlefield.