/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7428978
It real

real, older discs rot first, no lacquer layer, they started adding the layer to mitigate the risk, still happens but at a slower pace
The entire existence of the new layer to halt it should show you its undeniable, they are not going to waste money mitigating a low risk, the shareholders wouldn't allow it, money is their bottom line

>>7428978
its autistic collector worried their investments is going to loose value

I'm the Laserdisc chad, I own at least 2000 LD's, 3000 CDs, and 1000 DVDs. I own several copies of the first CD ever made in series, Alpine Symphony, and none have rotted. I have 2 rotted LD's out of 2000, one is Aliens and the other is Hawaii. Both are known to have rot, and almost all rotted discs were remade and replaced free.

It's an entirely overblown issue. PCBs will degrade as will their components long before most optical discs.

>>7429013
yes, rom chips die faster than optical media, you're meant to reburn them every decade due to electron leakage, it's not an overblown issue, its a denied issue, fuck I'll even have people straight up denying the electron leakage from roms, right under this post

>>7429013
Is laserdisc picture nicer than dvd?

>>7429018
Mask rom's good forever but these days it's cheaper and easier to use flash and it has been for a long ass time.

>>7429013
>calls himself a chad
>watches tranime

>>7428978
Agreed. Everyone here will be long dead if it were ever to reach a great issue on the majority of older discs. 9 times out of 10 its discs that were already damaged by other means that people blame on le rot.
Dont keep your cds in an oven or underwater and u should be fine bro

>>7429018
how do i prevent these electrons from escaping

>>7429028
By far. LD's don't suffer from the bit density issue and they have effectively near-infinite horizontal resolution. But they just look better, real professionals made them. These days films are finalized and put onto media by weirdos and idiots.

Here, compare LD to Blu-Ray.

>>7429036
literally impossible, electrons can quantum phase through whatever they please, when they please, it's the sole reason behind why you cant make the 20nm logic gates for better processors and why we are cheating by adding more cores, the only way to prevent it is reburning, so its good for another 10

>>7429037
The fucking VHS tape would look better than that blu-ray screenshot

>>7429042
but what if i refill some electrons every now and then

>>7429042
the quantum magic electrons have is fucking surreal, no one electron can have the same quantum energy level as another in the universe, so when you change the energy level of just one, every single electron in the universe instantly changes too, to make sure it isn't the same level, it's mind breaking, fucking wild

>>7429037
I agree there was a golden age of filming early 2000s was the end
Films now look very stupid
Something went wrong

>>7429057
that is what reburning is, in laymans terms you're just topping the chip back up with its electrons

>>7429058
this means rubbing your hands together on earth changes the electrons in the vagina of an alien across the universe, for the people confused, it's also the mechanism for why you don't fall through the floor despite matter being mostly made up of the gaps between atoms

>>7429058
>he fell for the post-wwi physics scam

It's not a big concern for me but then I don't keep my discs in my washer-drier like OP.

>>7429082
the principles behind it enable you to type what you just did, I know because I have to engineer this shit, all while zoomers run around yelling that they are the kings of tech, while making none of it

>>7429082
>when you are so retarded in your paranoia of the longnoses, that you fail to make a nuclear weapon as you throw the baby out with the bathwater
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Physik
As much as I admire Hitler, he was a brainlet.

>>7429037
Kind of a silly comparison. That BD is digitally "corrected" to shit. Most mass market LDs look better than VHS and analog video has it's advantages over DVD, but modern DVDs look great. And laser rot due to LDs being two halves being glued together is very real and impacts tons of discs, though it doesn't make them unwatchable is "normal" cases.

My copy of spyro stoped loading some levels in the swamp world, next world didn't work at all. I looked at the disc and saw these little holes, is this disc rot?

>>7429273
yes, that is rot but there is also a scratch there, the deeper scratch enabled the rot, which is why its in a continuous line, the pinhole dots are just rot

>>7429276
Fuck rip disc. Good thing I still have my save though. I'll finish this game some day. At least now I have more time for Tomb Raider

>>7429104
>he was a brainlet
Pseudo intellectual. Like most narcissists.

>>7429273
Cut your fucking nails dude

>>7429037
>just 2xSal my shit up

>>7429030
Why 'bama though?

>>7428978
In any case, dump all those motherfuckers. Specially the ones with your favorite games. Put them everywhere on the web that lets you as well.

>>7429273
those are scratches from your goblin nails

>>7428978
No one has cracked the PSX drm disc etching so eventually all playstation games will just rot away and the only way you will be able to play some games is using an Emulator or using a modded console to play burned cds. That means that the console itself has a limited lifespan do to the eventual destruction of the game media so Original hardware running original games will be impossible after awhile.

>>7429086
King of tech is the caveman. He invented using tools and speaking in language. You didn't create those, but all your work depends on them

>>7429937
yes we have, everything down to the microcode and wobble, what HASNT been cracked is just the jaguarCD, it operates outside of the red book standard intentionally and the garbage is encrypted, there are decrypted dumps out there but they end up being partial due to operating outside of the standards

>>7429946
silence zoomkin, nobody under the age of 40 has contributed to the internet infrastructure, you run around saying that Tim Berners-Lee can't open a PDF when he made the motherfucking web

>>7429037
You have made your own point irrelevant. Idiots would make any technology suck, it doesn't tell us anything about good use of it.

Also, while any analog storage media bandwidth can theoretically can be increased infinitely (well, at least until we hit molecular particle scale), it is wrong to assume that it always can be done in practice. I suppose that base frequencies of the TV signal, and the electronic components used to generate them, effectively limit the horizontal line quality to that of regular TV transmission — if not worse than that for production cost decrease. Neither the plant making press forms has arbitrary precision tools, nor the original signal source is better than usual, nor the process of playing the disk itself is free from interference.

>>7428978
Ive inherited my faters records collection after he died. Most CDs were from the 80-early 90's. All are in *pristine* condition. Disc rot is probably only a matter of how the CD has been stored and taken care of.

>>7429132
All modern blu-rays blow in various ways. Most have been regraded, so they’re trash automatically. Many more are just rips of Laserdiscs because over half of American classic movie films were lost forever in the Universal fire. Which they still won’t admit what was even damaged. But most importantly, telecine was a high art and the analog to analog transfer just looks much better than digital horse shit where even today the blacks blow ass.

>>7429972
oh its cracked? Where

>>7430720
go see MAME's handing of the most egregious use, spyro 3

>>7430725
right so when you mentioned the wobble has been cracked I assumed you meant a manufacturing technique not some emulator.

I once had a sega rally cd that had ben warped to the shape of a banana. It still worked and you could hear the edges of the cd scraping against the saturn then it spun

>>7429037
Video transfer has nothing to do with the technical specifications of the format you neandertal.

>>7430092
This. I volunteer at a radio station with tens of thousands of CDs going back to the mid 80s, I've never encountered any with disc rot, only scratches. And these were handled by hundreds of people over the years with a majority still playing fine.
Don't buy trashed copies of things and you'll probably be okay for the next few decades. Doesn't hurt to rip your games or download backups.

>>7429013
>PCBs
LMAO

what is a HDD for 100 million Alex

>>7431364
do you not know that HDD's have pcbs or that HDDs fail more often than optical drives?

>>7428978
Disc Rot is real in the sense that it's something that exists, but it's almost always a case of production batches with known manufacturing flaws (certain releases of films and games are known to be prone to it), optionally, really bad storage conditions, like discs being exposed regularly to a lot of sunlight, or a lot of moisture.

For the majority of discs, they'll last fine as long as you take good care of them, and store them somewhere away from sunlight. Put desiccant bags in the covers and the shelves where you keep your DVDs, CDs, Laser Discs, Blu-Rays, etc, what have you. In fact it's worth to keep desiccants in any place where you store something that you value, like if you have any nice books, guns, or photo albums, things which can be slowly ruined by moisture.

There's stories of people keeping guns in those plastic pelican cases, and they think that's fine, but they leave them there for a year at a time, and what happens is that ambient air moisture makes the foam lining degrade and crumble, so you'll get a bunch of nasty sticky and moist gunk stuck all over the gun, and that attracts rust. Don't assume that a storage container will be safe because it's enclosed, it can in fact make things worse, be mindful of the climate you live in.

>>7429013
Based & Laserpilled.

>7429030
Anime website.

>>7429037
A lot of this has to do with the horrid trend of Digital Video Noise Reduction, which is software being used to reduce film grain and make films look smoother. The most infamous example of this was the first Blu-ray release of Predator, where at points it makes Arnold Schwarzenegger and Carl Weathers look like they're made out of glossy wax. The later Blu-ray release of Predator is fixed and looks appropriately grainy.

Looking at Return Of The Living Dead, the first VHS release had most of the cool punk music and original themes intact, but then when it starts coming out on DVD, the music is inexplicably replaced with completely soulless generic horror music, worse is that the original voices for the zombies are dubbed over with shitty and boring performances. This continued on to Blu-Rays, until the relatively recent UK Special Edition release, where all the music is restored, all the voices are original, and best of all it doesn't have any ghastly DVNR smoothing to ruin the picture, also featuring lots of bonus material. It's a good movie release, and the reason that the previous releases were bad had nothing to do with the format, and it was most likely just John Russo, a man with no taste or talent, trying to "improve" the movie, as he's the rights holder for it.

The truth is that if a movie looks bad on Blu-Ray, it's almost always because someone in charge somewhere made the decision to make it look bad, such as by raping it with DVNR, like with Predator. With Disney, it was their policy to DVNR the shit out of their classic cartoon Blu-Rays, which is why your example looks so incredibly bad, it was done on PURPOSE.

>>7428978
The only occasions I've ever seen of disc rot is from exceptionally bad examples of software storage. So unless you're storing your discs in the outdoors or wet locations, I've never seen it.

>>7428978
>Why are people so scared of disc rot?
Because they're retards that refuse to make backups.

>>7431364
>moving parts
>magnetic flux sucking away stored data every day
>has PCBs
fucking moron

>>7431589
No it's because the people running the machines are now nepotism or diversity hires like everybody else in the movie business. Nobody knows how to run the machines any more. All the professionals retired ages ago.

So while you're correct in the premise that BD's *COULD* look good, the human chain of events which interposes itself into the production and home release of movies ensures that BD's will never have high quality. Never.

Also many old movies were lost in the Universal fire and lots of BD's are simply Laserdiscs with a green filter and unsharp mask.

>>7432321
You may have a point that people are less skilled but the people also consuming media have worse taste/less standards. Look at releases of more niche films/TV shows, they usually take more care with either preserving or actually enhancing image quality unlike Disney and other blockbuster releases.

>>7428978
The majority of Disc Rot is Label side damage. If that side wasn't damaged light wouldn't pass through it. I've got a Mortal Kombat for Sega CD that looks exactly like what most people post as Pin Hole Disc Rot. It's not. It's Label Side damage on a disc that wasn't taken care of properly.

>>7429036
employ tactics to induce Stockholm syndrome. if that doesnt work, fear tactics

>>7432478
>the people also consuming media have worse taste/less standards
I'm not an hyper autist when it comes to these things, but holy shit its not even funny how much the average person doesn't give a single fuck, every time I go visit my friends they do some retarded shit like watching sd content on giant 4k screens, stretching the image, using their tv's framerate interpolation "feature" etc.
its just gonna get worse because of streaming, new tvs with retardedly high resolutions, and AI upscaling.
thank god for piracy

>>7428978
>believing the disc rot meme
This shit has literally been debunked and you can protect ANY disc from experiencing this very simply using this method:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgksfOYP0SI

>>7431589
Left unironically looks better. Also I think you have the bottom text switched up.

>>7433061
>framerate interpolation
I'll never understand how people think that shit doesn't look like garbage.

>>7433162
>Left unironically looks better
You're wrong to think that.

>>7433071
I recognize the link topkek

>>7432481
I have a Ratchet and Clank with several holes visible through the disc due to label side damage. Still works anyway.

>>7433162
>Left unironically looks better
I really wish that you would die.

>>7429395
You are retarded if you think those are long nails.

>>7433071
Damn, I never thought of doing it like that

>>7433071
that youtube video really helped me out

>>7433061
>thank god for piracy
Piracy can't save the films though. All digital operations are destructive, so that green cast they put onto everything has destroyed much color data. Ditto with the smoothing, and contrast adjustments.

Old films worth watching are cheap on used DVD, or Laserdisc, or you can pirate them. New shit isn't worth watching nor is any remaster post-2004.

>>7430020
I will admit a wide variation in quality on LD releases, especially pre-1985 or so. By the 1990s THX mastering had become a thing, and the telecine process was perfected resulting in transfers so good that they form the basis for many UHD BD's to this day. And they have to, the Universal fire destroyed about half of the classic films ever made as well as a good chunk of the iconic American music of the 20th century.

To this day Universal will still not admit what they lost in the fire, and the only reason anybody found out was because Universal tried to pass off a copy from vinyl as a studio master tape. I believe it was Tom Petty who blew the whistle on that. I know his estate eventually won a huge law suit because of it.

>>7433289
Not what I meant, I was talking about being able to download whatever version of a movie you want instead of being stuck with the latest blurry mess in stores/streaming sites
then you also have magnificent autists that go out of their ways to fix shitty remasters, like the onions wars despecialized edition shit
Piracy "can't save the films" but it does more than the retarded movie industry
>New shit isn't worth watching
Ok bro

>>7433235
Holy fuck. Which release is that so I know to stay far the fuck away if I ever buy a bluray copy. It looks disgusting.

test

>>7433235
Again the left looks better. Right looks like it has a bunch of static all over the image

>>7433601
not him but I really wish that you would die

>>7433556
The older Blu-Rays. You can probably straight up Google "Predator DVNR" and find out which releases have the fucked up noise reduction and color timing, people were pretty pissed about it at the time, especially when new releases kept reusing the fucked up transfer.

Fantastic movie by the way, be it on Laserdisc, DVD, or Blu-Ray, and IMO features some of Arnold's best acting, he really sells the hesitation, anxiety, and fear, of encountering a terrifying creature like the predator, as well as trying to avoid it and then confront it (though he does have some lines which he delivers poorly, in fairness). Bill Duke does some great acting in this movie too, he really sells his character's mourning over the loss of his lifelong friend.
It's easy to look at it as just another dumb action movie, and it does start out at as one, but it's overall stupidly well made, it's like Terminator, an action movie that's actually kind of a horror movie.

>>7433653
>being wished death over a visual preference
How can one have so much hate in their heart? Are you a Trump supporter?

>>7434098
do you know where you are? this isnt reddit

>>7429273
Then you guys crying like little babies, they don´t want to make backups at home they just want buy original all the time like little childens and instead having time to perservate programs, you want to stop piracy as fuck... the stupid human is continue to lose money and give money to this monkey companies, they are washing their body at home with money and joke on you. Soon this games will dissapear, and if you want to play, you need to cry with your mother first.

>>7434109
>reddit boogeyman
I think you need to kys my man.

>>7434456
>act like ned flanders
>wonder why he gets told to go back
you too homo, leave, this is not for you

>>7434459
r/gatekeeping

>>7434638
there is nothing wrong with gatekeeping, I do not want you faggots here, the less cancer cells, the lower the chance of your metastasis.

>>7434098
>How can one have so much hate in their heart? Are you a Trump supporter?
#DieCisScum #KillAllMen

>>7434441
Is this post written by a bot? The writing and syntax is very strange.

>>7434441
>crying like little babies

>>7434646
Good thing nobody gives a fuck what you think.

>>7435029
you don't decide that, you're not the spokesperson for anybody, speak for yourself and only yourself, retard

>>7428978
I always thought is was mostly caused by bad manufacturing or someone abusing the disc. Like slightly bending it when taking it out of the case or console causing the layers to split.

>>7434638

>>7434913
>>7434894
A Bot will never to that.
>Faggot.

>>7435047
No, its the glue, water in the glue leads to oxidization of the foil layer, a lacquer layer got added in the process years later to try reduce this, it does slow it down, but slow isn't stop, damage to the lacquer layer will speed it up but discs before that layer are already rotten

>>7435067
Could you remove the water by storing the discs in a container with a bunch of dry packs?

>>7435064
Then why the fuck do you write like an alien

>>7435062
>>7434638

>>7433235
the shot of the predator looks way better on the left
otherwise I see what you're saying

>>7435082
Like those silica gel packets? That can probably help. Probably.

>>7433502
>Ok bro
Maybe a handful of stuff. Like anon said with the remasters, it's not technically impossible but the industry is nearly designed to produce garbage.
Look at Soi Wars, you have thousands of extremely talented people creating a technological masterpiece of special effects, which is all for shit because the writers are a bunch of nepotistic hacks.

>>7435062
Saved.

>>7434098
The irony of the cop of a sad deluded mind

>got a free copy of Super Street Fighter II Turbo on 3DO because it was slightly rotted
>still works

>>7433162
This one of those retards that made dnr popular.

>>7428978
>Yes it's real,
PANIC!!

>>7435110
Aliens don´t do shit, Aliens are not real. Stop smoking crack.

>>7428978
yes and no, discs that used an aluminium layer will rot quicker by a lot, usually earlier discs like LD did this
later on some used gold which does not oxidise

>>7435110
He's an ESL retard that had a stroke while typing choking on his chimichangas. Youd be surprised how many ESLs squat on this board. Cant afford newer modern games so they just reminsece about all the old crap they pirated back then as kids.