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>>7420401
Sad thing is it kind of grew on me.

>>7420401
Went from 4-tone shading to 2-tone shading with a bit of smoothing. Art on the right isn't bad, but it's definitely a downgrade. What game series?

>>7420401
I, for one, enjoy this transformation.

>>7420492
YU-NO: A girl who chants love at the bound of this world

>>7420401
Hair dye and HRT.

>>7420401
the character is based on a model. Have you seen Japanese models?

>>7420863
No thanks I don't want to be gay.

>>7420401
why is modern anime art so generic and soulless?

>>7421131
based zeiram

>>7421131
Because anime was never original to begin with. 80s animes were greatly inspired by spaghetti westerns, high fantasy films, crime and mafia films, cyberpunk, action films, war films, and other things made in the west. Now that Conan The Barbarian, Commando, and Django are old and forgotten, the Japanese have nothing else to copy.

>>7420401
bubble economy pop

>>7420401
>it's another anon complains about modern anime when both designs are generic for their respective time period episode.

>>7421307
Yu-no copies none of those things. It's narrative replies specifically on its gameplay mechanics

>>7421801
no need for that, let him try to sound smart

>>7421131
Digital coloring took a lot of soul out of things, especially when people didn't know what they were doing, plus the 60's-70's had artists with something to say or willing to push the envelope and Japan had an economic boom in the 80's which allowed OVA's to exist and risks and niche productions to take place.

>>7421307
Cringe.

>>7421817
>60's-70's
anime products in this period had a chinese bootleg style, barely any attention paid to the quality of art

>>7421841
I do not care about "on average", I would give you some big examples on how you're wrong but this board is more poser than /a/ so if you don't know them, you don't know them.

>>7421851
On average is how you define a period's quality of output lol

>>7421851
>allow me to cherrypick to prove you're wrong
retardo supremo

Reminder: if you don't like the new, improved design you're a bigot.

>>7422026
then I'm a proud bigot
hang all tablet scum

>>7422028
Get a load of this nazi.
You HAVE to prefer the new, improved version.

>>7422026
>>7422051
do you like making yourself angry by imagining some sjw who tells you you are a bigot for not liking the redesigns of yu-no and langrisser? a person who definitely doesn't exist? lmao

>>7422084
You will never be a woman.

YU-NO's original art is obviously super 90s while the new art is very now. It's just changing art trends, even though said trends are garbage.

>>7421307
dumbo take

>>7421786
This. The old art looks good but they're both kinda generic. However, there is just SO MUCH new anime that uses the exact same art style.
I think what really kills the new art is the color palette. The old art looks really crisp and clean. It shouldn't be too hot of a take on /vr/ that technical limitations can sometimes improve aesthetics.

>>7422160
it's clean and crisp due to the system limitations that gave it it's look, that 16bit dithering was a requirement so shading looks like it has more colorsm the single pixel black outline that makes it pop, was a requirement to make it stand out from the background, 16bit is magic, what others would call soul, no limits and no constraints means it just looks like tablet trash, its why all modern remakes of old games that redraw the sprites always look out of place and fucking awful

>>7421817
Iria was digitally colored. stfu

>>7421131
It's a combination of cost cutting, different techniques, and even just tastes in general. Animation has always been expensive, but digital animation brought a lot of improvements to the table that made it cheaper and easier to animate things, which also means we get less details and some fairly generic characters.

It kinda sucks, we moved away from the cheap techniques in order to make better shit, but then we moved back to cheap techniques and even some good stories suffer for it. It's not impossible for modern anime to be good, but it can't maintain that aesthetic appeal older anime had without ditching a lot of modern techniques, or putting in much more work.

>>7421131
Digital animation in general sucked the soul out of everything due to animators being less experienced with it at first, and the fact that colors just appear less vivid with digital compared to cel animation.
Things have gotten better since the early 2000's when the industry first moved to digital though.

>>7422423
Most anime and manga, comics and cartoons from the 90s were digitally colored. Not to mention that CGI was not unsual at that time. Search further, pay attention to what you are watching and stop regurgitating other people's opinions

>>7422434
No the fuck they weren't you glue-huffing retard. In the 90's anime were still colored on the cel themselves. Occasionally you could see digital painting used, but those stick out like a sore thumb compared to the cel paintings.
Why not know what you're actually talking about before you speak with authority, dipshit.

>>7422423
>>7422462
To be fair they all look like shit.

>>7422026
who the living fuck, fucked the langrisser characters up? its hideous...

>>7422434
>Most anime and manga, comics and cartoons from the 90s were digitally colored.
I don't know what would possess someone to lie about something to easy to disprove.
Was it to appear smarter on an anonymous imageboard where no one knows your name?

>>7422026
>that Betty boob downgrade
Criminal

>>7422470
Calm down son
The redesigns aren't great or anything but they're not worth rioting over

>>7423837
They're pig disgusting.

>>7423852
They're less expressive and less distinct from each other, but at the same time, hideous is going too far.

>>7423876
>they're shit but you can't say they're shit

>>7423881
OK fine it's shit.

>>7423991
Now repeat after me, anon: it's pure, unaltered dogshit.

>>7423997
Anon that's mean

>>7424224
Anon that's real

>>7424238
OK now THAT remake is pure, unaltered dogshit.

>>7424245
Yes.

>>7422423
>>7422462
This image doesn't provide a good comparison considering the tone each adaptation was going for. I'd say >>7422313 hit the nail on the head.

>>7422313
Digital Painting´

http://animationbackgrounds.blogspot.com/2010/06/brother-bear_09.html


I hate misinformation. Art schools are expensive, misinformation makes it difficult for artists who can't afford a school

>>7425756
>I hate misinformation. Art schools are expensive, misinformation makes it difficult for artists who can't afford a school
What was the misinformation?

>>7420401
Look at what they did to my beautiful boy...

Funny that people are blaming digital art when the art on those old games was digital too.

>>7421131
It's not.

>>7421307
What happened in actual reality, and not the schizo world you inhabit, is that Japan just largely moved away from Western influences or direct influences and started doing their own things.

>>7421817
There's niche productions still being made, but Westerners refuse to watch them.

>>7421841
Have you actually seen anime from that time period? I don't think you have.

>>7422313
The actual animation itself has not changed, since it's still being done on pen and paper.

>>7422051
>removing stockings of anything
What kinda faggotry is this

>>7422423
>>7422462
I wouldn't say HxH is a fair comparison. I won't deny that the right looks like shit, but the left only looked like that for a small number of episodes. The average 1999 episode didn't look that much better than the 2011 episode because despite the cell animation it's still a shounen anime that had to spread it's small budget over a bunch of episodes. The stuff you posted was the rare exception, not the norm.

>>7422026
I'll never say Urushihara is not well made, but I hate his style
For me, who was bombarded with his works for the longest time THAT's what generic looks like

>>7420401
press left or right on the dpad

>>7422051
that's a tragedy

>>7424238
wow, wtf is even the point? it's inferior in every way, why would anyone get this

>>7425756
Still lacks SOVL, I'd say digital can look great but you need to have the talent or the money
Look at something from the Shinkai movies or something that was made partially digital like the bgs in Tekkonkinkreet

>>7427704
Jesus fuck that's depressing.
What game is that?

>>7427779
looks live ever burst error

>>7428418
Eve burst error

>>7422089
And you will never be an Übermensch.

>>7420401
Why would you want to look like that?

>>7428501
he's got more chance of it than you do, all he has to do is lift, you can never be a woman, nothing can change that

>>7428772
I don't think either of you understand the concept of Übermensch. No one can be the Übermensch.

>>7429484
Says the Untermensch.

>>7429912
Yes, that is the implication, fellow Untermensch.

>>7426951
Can't be generic when he's the only one with that style. Closest I can think of os the Dragon Knight 4 artist and hes still pretty different.

>>7430152
>Dragon Knight 4
How do you do, fellow man of culture?

>>7422026
This is the pure definition of soul and souless

>>7430152
Koh Kawarajima, a group of 2 artists, were Satoshi Urushihara's assistants.
Their art is similar to Satoshi.

>>7430221

>>7430368
That's so depressing. They even managed to fuck up the shading.

>>7430423
I think the shading in the original is wrong.
Natasha is lit from the front while Kakeru is lit from his side. The remake unified that.

>>7426821
>The stuff you posted was the rare exception, not the norm.
That's a load of shit. The 1999 version didn't have the greatest animation except for those episodes, but the 99' version was very consistently pretty good in its art and direction. Pic related was a good example, especially with it being an anime original episode.

>>7430362
Makes sense if its assistants had the same style as him. Thanks for the input, didn't about them.

>>7430362
Can't unsee her rabbit teeth (˵•́ x •̀˵U)

This whole thread is pointless because all animation, including anime, is going to be made of cheap 3D models animated by Indians and Koreans within the next 10 years.

>>7430715
>you can't say something has gone to shit because it will go even worse

>>7427704
wow even the nigger looks like shit now, the old one looks like an actual character with personality

>>7430715
that's not the point of the thread dipshit, the entire point is that 16bit dithering and a 1 pixel black outline to make it pop, looks better than the bland tablet shit now

>>7420401
I don't have data for Japan, but I guess they are on the same road:

"Studies show that men's testosterone levels have been declining for decades. The most prominent, a 2007 study in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, revealed a “substantial” drop in U.S. men's testosterone levels since the 1980s, with average levels declining by about 1% per year."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilhowe/2017/10/02/youre-not-the-man-your-father-was/

>>7430764
the international gaybomb of birth control pills being peed into the water supply