/vr/ - Retro Games

I saw a vid on tiny colored CRTs (pic related) and it gave me this autistic idea. What if we found a way to make CRTs again, but we make the tubes tiny to reduce the cost? Make the shadowmask the size of a regular CRT, cut the tube into a perfect square, stack the tubes into a grid and link them together to make one bigger screen. Essentially it could be a frame that has a bunch of tiny CRTs plugged in like a lightbulb to make a bigger screen
There would be a lot of advantages to this:
>manufacturing would be much cheaper than a regular size tube
>Shipping would be far easier
>if you get burn-in or one stops working, you can just swap the bad tube out with a new one
>probably much safer to work with comparatively to a regular tube
>make any size or aspect ratio screen
>could probably fit the tubes and electronics into a much thinner case giving you a "flatscreen" CRT.

Do you guys think its a good idea?

Shadow mask

Cousin was about to throw out this beauty, a Toshiba 20AF41. Plugged in my modded Wii via component and it looks fantastic.

>>7401487
yes

>>7400515
No. That’s the dumbest shit I read this year.

>>7400427

>>7401598
Shadowmask?

>>7400515
I think sed/fed was like this

How do you take photos of your CRT when it's running at 60hz while all the lights in the room are 50hz?

>>7404871
if you're using a traditional camera you could slow the shutter down to like 1/10th of a second or so, and just balance it on something or use a tripod

>>7404850
Oh wow I didn't even know these were a think. I wonder what the quality of these screens were considering how I never see anyone talk about them. A shame it seems like this tech was also eventually abandoned.

>>7404961
zoomer plz....

>>7404871
turn the lights off dipshit

retropie on my Gateway EV700, all the people who are mad about PVMs being expensive should just get a vga monitor

>>7404961
>>7405050
Go higher

>>7405125

>>7405125
Yep, also PC VGA monitors are even sharper than PVM, the only thing is that they don't have visible scanlines as PVM or BVM do, but you could add software scanline and they will look damn good, or with custom GPU drivers you can set the monitor to output to 240p and get natural scanlines if your monitor supports 240p at 120hz (Most of them do)

Also with something like a GBS-Control you can connect any console to ut.

>crt is god's gift to us humans, why would you use any of those newfanglee doohikeys when you can get a crt

>>7405223
pc vga crts have scanlines at 480p babe

>>7405126
Ok

>>7405223
>Yep, also PC VGA monitors are even sharper than PVM
PVMs are distinct because of colour accuracy, sharpness is an afterthought. You're correct though, other than mistakenly thinking PC monitors don't/can't output scanlines.

>>7405625
you can even go higher than that anon

>>7405378
Scanlines is a product of hacked 480i, when one line is always black.
In 480i and higher there's no black lines in video signal.

>>7406403
>Diamondtron
>Result of Sony's patent on Trinitron tech expiring.

Sony was still did it better anon.

Should I pick up a mitsubishi diamond pro 900u?
Also i know its not retro but should i pick up an oled 25" pvm? Someone is selling one for 200$ near my location.
I literally dont have a single flat screen in my house exept for my phone and handhelds.

>>7406403
0.22 mm x 0.24 mm... Anon, F520 is the endgame

>>7406403
I've never liked these. They work well for 3D games like late 5th gen and the 6th gen games but anything before that looks like shit. So if you're going to be playing like Ocarina or Sonic Adventure go for it.
If you're going to be playing SNES and Megadrive games you'll want something with brighter leakier phosphors and heavier slot mask and scanlines, these give an image that's too smooth and clean

>>7406667
Anything made by Mitsubishi is worth picking up

which one of you nerds picked up that lacie monitor off fb market?

>>7404871
Use an app such as Open Camera with your phone.

Adjust ISO and exposure.

>>7406434
>In 480i and higher there's no black lines in video signal.
Yes there is retard. They're just not as noticeable on consumer shit.
On high end PC monitors though scanlines at 480i or 480p are pretty damn noticeable due to how sharp those tend to be.

>>7406907
>brighter leakier phosphors
Oh god why do zoomers like you come here?

how much does quality vary by brand/model? assuming I'm getting a model that's modern, ~2000s. If it's not a trinitron or some other memed model is it just going to be meh?

>>7406667
>pvm oled for 200$
I'm assuming it's some sort of scam unless you dropped a 0.

>>7408273
I would say don't worry about brand as much as size/inputs. I mean any big set with component is going to be better than a Trinitron that only has s-video and composite.

Speaking of, I have a TV with that same problem, is it worth investing in s-video cables for each console?

>>7400515
Is this was a PVM soys would be buying the, for $300 a pop

>>7408273
The worst brand is Samsung

I find myself in need of a DE-9 to SCART adapter for an old Amiga monitor.
Recently was making some other adapters from old VGA cables and found out that 75ohm coax cables don't play well with all video signals. So what exactly is the proper wire type to use here?
Just the thickest regular wire I can fit on the connector?

>>7401598
Nice. I have a Toshiba 14AF43. I never used a jvc but I toshiba is only other model on same level as trinitrons to me.

>>7407974
Yeah, right, whatever you say.
Do you even have a PVM at least like I do?

Quick question, anyone seen this kind of horizontal line before? Look at the left side of the screen. It's much more noticeable in real life but it only shows up once in a while. Is it interference? BTW this is a Trinitron 13 inch model from 1996 or 97 I think. Just picked it up a few weeks ago, I should probably clean the inside but I'm not sure if that would help.

All you motherfuckers that like to say zoom zoom please zoom zoom in on this pic to see what I am talking about

>>7401487
Aperture Grill

>worthless
WHO'S LAUGHING NOW LMAO

prepare for legions of train missers crying wojaks

>>7408565
support wire for the grille
it's barely visible on consumer sets.

>>7408556
Having a PVM is not a flex
And yes VGA monitors show scanlines at 640x480 and even more at 320x240

>>7408592
Thanks I had no idea about that. This is the first sony set I've owned. 13 inch and I found another listing by me for a 20 inch that I might pick up if I can talk the owner down to $20.
I find a ton of 32 inch trinitron listing for free or 10 bucks but I'm not interested in one that size.
Just off of that though I assume the smaller Trinitrons are more rare?

>>7408579
>sold in G*rmany
You kind of left that part out

>>7408619
yeah 20 inchers are in high demand cause they're still transportable
32"s tend to go for free cause no one wants to move them around.

>>7408624
at 35k it's gonna be shipped anywhere in the world.

>>7406403
Got one of these last year. Fucking amazing monitor.

>>7408638
you missed the part where it says local pickup only

>>7408579
same models with who knows how many hours were going for several grand each, not surprising

>>7408641
seller is actually gonna ship it

>>7408647
>trust me I know

>>7408657
nah hes right. the edit on the bottom of the page said he was going to ship worldwide

>>7408628
odd enough in my area it's easier to find the small sets, I actually need to get rid of a few that I've been sitting on
I saw a 36" XBR once on the side of the road but I was alone and it looked pretty trashed, very disappointing

>>7408660
For 35k, I too would be willing to ship a monitor to wherever the fuck the buyer wanted

>Spending the cost of a new car for a monitor
>not expecting them to ship it

I'm sure the buyer can get someone to ship it to him in one way or another if you have that much to spend on a old monitor.

>>7408885
probably some oil prince

I have a 14" Toshiba TV that I use to play PS2 games and watch movies from an TV Box. While playing some games (it doesn't happen with Final Fantasy X) and moving around the menu of the TV Box, the image sorts of blink; but not a full blink, the image reduces just a little bit. I tried to film it, but my cellphone's camera isn't good enough.
Does anyone know what is this?

Does anyone know why my CRT is suddenly having retarded scaling issues? It only happens with certain resolution/refresh rate combinations but its still really fucking annoying

>>7409358
use cru
https://www.monitortests.com/forum/Thread-Custom-Resolution-Utility-CRU

>>7409358
If this is what I think this is stupid Windows' fucking fault. It now automatically scales lower resolutions to whichever higher desktop resolution you were using before, obviously looking like shit on CRT monitors. I can't remember when they updated it to do that but it's really stupid and I haven't found a way to disable it. You need some external program to change your resolution. I use the Nvidia control panel but I'm sure there are other methods.

>>7409407
I already use it, tried resetting the monitor, loading old templates that I knew 100% worked before, and just redoing the resolutions I wanted, but still no luck.
>>7409424
I doubt an update broke it, I have win10 ltsc and it only gets ""security updates"" every now and then. I tried messing around with the scaling options and custom resolutions on the nvidia control panel but that didn't help.

>bought a 13" trinitron for $15 and it was too small to play without eye strain
>bought a 27" trinitron for $30 and it's too big for my tv stand
Guess I have to spend another few weeks/months looking for a good 20" set. Fug. Now I got 2 fucking bulky TVs. What should I do with them? Make a CRT snowman when I get the 20"?

>>7409764
>13" trinitron for $15
>27" trinitron for $30
lol you got fucked
before you go out and buy another one like a jackass, try to move your setup around to make it work, think outside of the box.
If you're not gonna make good use of them, either resell them or give them away.

>>7409856
$15-30 is nothing for a TV, honestly.

Best way to play NES games on a crt without owning a NES? There's only a handful of games I want to play and don't feel like shelling out for a NES.

>>7410056
https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Display_FAQ#240p.2F480i
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3tA3PvpSUQ

>>7410056
Jailbroken Wii

>>7410056
CRT PC MONITOR + Emulation

>>7410071
>>7410086
>>7410087
Thanks lads. Don't have a monitor, but wii should work. Is virtual console better than emulation?

>>7410159
It's not that different. I've never had any issues with nintendo ROMs on my wii.

What are my chances of getting a half-decent CRT in one of the smaller Australian capital cities?

>>7410320
you lucked out my nigga. just keep scouring gumtree and facebook marketplace

I’m still upset I couldn’t buy this because I was renting a room on a second floor with no space for it and also had no way to transport it.
Does anyone here own one?

>>7410351
i have one laying in my basement collecting dust

>>7410351
>I’m still upset I couldn’t buy this because I was renting a room on a second floor with no space for it and also had no way to transport it.

It probably processes the image losing the lag-free experience and it won't look as good as a regular crt unless you play HD games. You dodged a bullet.

>>7410430
This, that tv is good for DVDs.

>>7410430
this

480i or bust

>>7410430
I have a pvm but I wanted it for 7th gen consoles to play 6th gen games that got remasters like hitman trilogy, bully etc. It’s also supposed to be amazing for dvds. Stuff like Miami vice Id rather watch on a crt tv.

>>7410581
Synclavier!

>>7410159
Emulation but both are great

>>7405223
>the only thing is that they don't have visible scanlines

>>7411786
Yeah Idk what that guy was smoking, my initial post has scanlines and they're hardware, not a filter

>>7409764
Why don't you just get a bigger stand? I'm sure you can find something on the marketplace.

>>7410159
This method also works with CRT TVs.
For 8 and 16bit systems, VC and standalone emulators are almost identical.
On the VC most games only run at 480i, standalone emulators can output at a native 240p and have way more options, so just use that instead.
Try WiiMednafen and FCE Ultra GX and see which one you like the most.

>>7406434
>I have no clue what I am talking about: the post


https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/9fd6b9/480p_scanlines_yes_please/

>>7406434
>>7407974
>>7408556
>>7408593
>>7412106

Scanlines are literally the beam lighting the phosphors.
You should talk about scanline effect.

And yes, 480p on a high resolution / high TVL display will produce a scanline effect due to the beam being thin enough to not overlap.

>>7410581
>>7410581
its a damn nice unit, I have 3 wide screen crts and they are great for later gen consoles, you can use pcs on them too

Does anyone have any information about this Sharp 51AM-12S that I own? I can only find a short manual on the internet.

what general simple things should i look for / avoid when shopping around for old crts irl?

>>7412827
throw it away and find something better

>>7412840
Pick up every diamondtron/diamond pro

>>7412841
It doesn't look bad with a SCART cable.

>>7412880
oh sorry i shouldve been more clear. i mean crt televisions for retro gaming.

>>7412923

>>7402496

>>7413131
game?

>>7412962
if you want to play 240p avoid widescreen crt tvs

Why has the world turned on CRT-lovers?

>>7413261
The lain experience
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYqCD8llnK4

>>7413261
LCD displays and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

>>7413261
a crt that approached a basic modern lcd in productivity was either an obscene luxury or a major investment by a company.

>>7413224
what about the ones that are "flat"

>>7413372
geometry problems

>>7413397
thanks

>>7412827
No

>>7408624
>Germany
100% guaranteed John Linneman bought it

>>7400427
Hello friends. What do we all think of these old Compaq Monitors?

>>7413272
>FBI warning
Do Americans really?

I'm looking for a set of speakers to pair with my CRT setup.
What would you recommend for this kinda arrangement?

>>7414615
Oh shit. I'd delete your post, man. It's illegal to question FBI warnings in the States. Don't get yourself extradited to the US and sentenced to 13 years in a federal prison.

>>7414657
Only if he's white. If he's a nig the FBI will kiss his feet for it.

>>7414571
Good

>>7414647
Unless you want everything retro just get a cheap sound bar

>>7413397

>>7414647
Ruark Audio MR1 mk2

don't fall for the crts have great colors and contrast meme, chances are they'll be worse than your current set if you have a decent ips. Motion clarity and non fixed pixel are the benefits.

>>7414647
If you're set on putting the speakers on that cart, might be better to just get a mono speaker or soundbar since you don't really gain anything from having stereo speakers so close.
If you have space I would find an old receiver and get either some decent floor speakers or bookshelf speakers and set them to the sides of the TV not too close

>>7414547
He already has one though.

>>7415854
nope, his boss has one

>>7415936
what a lucky boss

>>7415724
I somewhat agree with you, but only because retards either buy defective displays or don't properly tune them.
I can guarantee you at least half the people in this thread just pumped brightness to the max and called it a day.

>>7416074
>I can guarantee you at least half the people in this thread just pumped brightness to the max and called it a day.
I don't think so, a crt screen on 100% brightness looks like ass.

>>7414984
yeah because one flat tv with great geometry means they all do

>>7416241
>Implying millions of curved sets don't have the same problem

>>7416241
>>7416303
PC CRT are better

repostan from sqt on /g/:
I just picked up a Trinitron KV-32HS510 in fuckin awesome condition (with working remote and manual) for $50. I want ot hook it up to my PC via the DVI-D port on the back. I didn't have long enough DVI cable, so I used HDMI with an adapter. The TV shows up in my PC's list of displays and I can select a resolution and suck in the GPU control panel, but I can't seem to find the right input on the TV for the picture to come through; maybe it's not detecting input on the DVI port. Any suggestions?

>>7405126
>>7405625
>>7406403
>>7406773
>his CRT doesn't have 97.6% AdobeRGB coverage
this is the real endgame.

>>7416685
0.24 mm... again, are you really trying?

Does anybody in this thread actually have a GDM F520? From what i've read it has a unique aperture grill and I have some questions...

If I connect my PC up to a CRT via VGA and play a PlayStation game with Mednafen full screen, that'll look the same as hooking a PS1 to the CRT, right?

>>7416848
not exactly.

>>7409764
>27" CRT
why

>>7413181
Utmost Payne

>>7416848
No 240p for you...

>>7416848
No

>>7416848
>>7410071

>>7416848
It'll look better, actually.

>>7410071
Doesn't look that bad to me

>>7417265
I was just showing him the guide, I have it set up like this and it looks great

big ass "scanlines" are the worst

>>7417458

>>7417471
That BVM is definitely for movies n shit

>>7413318
>been using a 37" then a 40" 1080p TV as my main monitor for over a decade
Shit's fucking comfy

>>7400427
I found a crt for 7 bucks, it's in an ok shape. Should I get it? I'm not into retro gaming but I have been thinking about getting a cracked Ps2 (costs 45 bucks) since my laptop can't run emulation and I don't have money to upgrade my rig anyway.

>>7417519
what crt?

I love playing this bad boy on my old CRT

>>7417535
Some third world local brand

>>7417519
why the hell are you on /vr/ if you don't like retro gaming?

>>7418196
I think I poorly worded my sentence, I didn't mean that I'm not into retro gaming. It's more like I do enjoy some retro gaming but I'm in no way a retro gamer by /vr/ standards

Why can't someone just kickstart a new CRT (or an LCD that could accurately emulate one) specifically for retro gaming? I would have no problem buying such a product

>>7418225
Because CRTs are a product of skill and scale.
You can't produce a new CRT without expert craftsmen and a gigantic specialised production line. The materials used are also toxic and probably not legal to purchase anymore.

>>7417560
Yeah, go for it. It's color saturation's probably fucked, but hey, 7 bucks.

>>7418225
Color CRT's are nearly impossible to manufacture in small scale. Only kind of new color display using CRT technology would be some kind of a projection TV or sequential color with LCD color shutter and digital processing, and it would not be very bright and still expensive as hell.

>>7418225
even if you miraculously find a factory and tools, they're too expensive to manufacture and ship, plus there's not enough demand for them
also I think they might be illegal to produce because of le 'hazardous chemicals'
tho, new industrial crts can still be purchased, and there are plenty of old stock consumer sets in the wild if you REALLY don't want to buy used

>>7418225
>I would have no problem buying such a product
Put up or shut up
https://dotronix.com/our-work/dnr-series/

>>7418563
$1.2k

I never used to think I would miss that box of 3 inch lead infused glass and its electron gun aiming at my face.
I used to make jokes about audiophiles finding "warmth" to tones on vinyl
But I get it now.

>>7418225
You do know CRT's a radation guns aimed at your face, protected with 3 inches of lead infused glass, right and that lead has been removed from industry, even down to the solder, as it's massively toxic.
There is nowhere that will allow new CRTs to be made.

>>7418696
Vinyls have a pleasant sound, very good if you are in to that.

>>7418563
>Enter Sadler and his company, Dotronix Technology in New Brighton, Minn. Dotronix specializes in cathode ray tube monitors, or CRTs, the technology pushed out by the arrival of flat screens in the early 2000s. Sadler’s business almost went under at the start of the century, until the Museum of Modern Art in New York came knocking.
>Those working on the issue worry that the parts needed to keep the monitors running and the engineers with the knowledge to fix them will soon no longer exist. That’s only a matter of time, Sadler said.
>Sadler had CRTs and processors in stock when the market collapsed in the early 2000s. He actively searches for companies that have shelved their working CRTs and scours e-Bay and other websites for parts.
>“Once the picture tubes are gone, that’s a showstopper,” he added. “I don’t know what the museums are going to do in the future. Convince the artists to go to a flat panel? Not much you can do.”
Even the owner knows that there is no hope

>>7418706
>“A CRT is a light engine more than anything,” Sadler said, explaining how the CRTs and flat panels are vastly different. With a CRT, he said, “the image is written by a beam of light.”
>“The curved screens, the warmth of the screen, the sound the screen makes when it’s running. These are physical and visual things that are part of the aesthetic,”

>>7418706
There was an interview with him recently and he says his stock/inventory of parts will dry up in 3 years.
The tech will be 100% dead by 2025.

>>7418716
Damn... it's over

i think this is the last chance to obtain a decent CRT

>>7416597
fixt it, turns out that the dvi input was literally set to skip in the menu. works great now.

>>7418738
Now you can watch old anime

Okay PC CRT anons, if I wanted to hook my RGB modded SNES to a VGA monitor, how would I do it properly? Google is somewhat vague on this.

>>7418795
Just Google RGB to VGA

>>7418795
scaler
either expensive and/or require some elbow grease.
stock cheap solutions are crap.

Some cheap stuff does wonders once modded

>>7418795
A GBS8200 upgraded with GBS-Control is available pre-built, including a clockgen mod that eliminates screen tearing.
https://www.tindie.com/products/chipnetics/modified-gbs8200-rgb-to-vga-converter/
You'll also need to either convert the RGB signal to component or build/buy the right cable for the RGB input.
https://www.retrotink.com/product-page/rgb2comp
https://github.com/ramapcsx2/gbs-control/wiki/Inputs:-SCART-adapter,-optional-sync-stripper
If you need composite/S-video inputs you'll need a Koryuu to convert the signal to component.
https://videogameperfection.com/products/koryuu-transcoder/
Fair warning that if you use this you have to disable the sync watcher feature, then reload your profile in GBS-Control until the signal is stable.
Pick and choose what you want from the above. Obviously it's kinda pricey but it pays off the more console you want to use or if you want to use a really nice PC CRT for anything that doesn't require a light gun.

>>7418225
the only people that are going to buy a crt at more than OLED prices are going to be edgecase autists, not enough to support a new supply chain.

are viewsonics(Q71 is the model if it means anything) better than average?

>>7418873
>A GBS8200 upgraded with GBS-Control is available pre-built, including a clockgen mod that eliminates screen tearing.
>https://www.tindie.com/products/chipnetics/modified-gbs8200-rgb-to-vga-converter/
>You'll also need to either convert the RGB signal to component or build/buy the right cable for the RGB input.
>https://www.retrotink.com/product-page/rgb2comp

Ordered. Thanks anon.

>>7419171
I had one of these that I sadly got rid of, great monitor, pick it up, iirc could do 120hz at 1024x768 fine, drop that to 480p or 240p for scanlines

Apple //e platinum

Just got it yesterday

>>7418828
How much do they pay you per post?

>>7419582
>getting paid for chinesium scaler
lmao, if I was it would like 1cent.
I like OSSC but it's too expensive for my use

GBSC is like $25 + elbow grease

don't go too cheap

>>7418218
stop acting autistic

>>7419612
more specifically if you're getting a monitor make sure it's reasonably fully featured. You don't need a trinitron or the widescreen meme but you're shortchanging yourself if you don't get one that can do things like 120 hz and 1600X900 at 66, bargain bin brands could do that at the end of the lifecycle.

>>7419612
this, you don't need to get one of the ridiculously pricegrouged luxury models like a pvm or widescreen format, but you're shortchanging yourself if it's not reasonably fully featured. 120 hz, support for 1600x1200, component, etc.

>>7418696

If only I'd knew. Bought my Sony 27FV310 from Circuit City on clearance for $400, gave it away several years later for some "high-tech" 32" flat panel that blew its backlight in less than 2 years. I remember being so happy to get rid of that boat-anchor....one of the greatest regrets of my life.

Got caught up in the latest and greatest....

>>7405050
How much did this cost back in the day

>>7419338
wtf I love apple now

I'm thinking of buying a crt to emulate older systems on. Is this good? I'm not paying more than 50 for anything, and it's for sale in my local area.

>>7421138
Nah, try to get one with component.

>>7400427
Sony Trinitron WEGA's being made at Sony's factory in Rancho Bernardo CA before they shut it down on 2006.

https://youtu.be/yNkIgVwr_nQ

Does anyone here just crank brightness and contrast, lifespan be damned? Is it better to ride hard the remaining tubes and just move on once they go kaput?

>>7421276

SMPTE recommends 100-120 nits for a CRT at full white for a dimly lit room. Most CRT's come out of the box far higher than that.

>>7421276
No because that washes out the black level.

>>7416189
>>7421276

>>7421138
Emerson is garbage

could a poor cable connection be causing ghosting/blur or is my monitor more than likely fucked?

>>7421432
adapters/converters can definitely fuck with the signal, what type of ghosting is it?

>>7414647
Get a home theatre receiver or something else you can plug good speakers into. Gen six consoles can do surround in certain games so if that is something you will want later than a receiver is nice.

>>7418225
Market is saturated with all the CRTs out there. The tech has stagnated since no one produces them so they are going to either be really small or too heavy for most consumers. The best chance for new CRTs is in another 30 years where the vast majority of them stop working and if market demand is still there.

>>7421432
just general smearing and blur I guess, it's not crazy bad but it's worse than my lcd which shouldn't be the case with a crt right? It is especially noticeable on lights in dark scenes. I'm using the shitty vga cable it came with on an awkwardly placed laptop vga port so I'm hoping that's it.

>>7421138
Brand differences are basically irrelevant if it is manufactured in the 2000s. By that point CRTs had basically been perfected. Go for it.

>>7421276
No... that would hurt your eyes and ruin the image. Just go for accuracy.

>>7421614
>It is especially noticeable on lights in dark scenes
like when you move your mouse cursor in front of a black background? this is really common with crts, even back in the day people would complain about it, there's not much you can do about it, maybe turn down the brightness a bit?
if it also happens on scenes with low contrast, then your cable and/or crt might actually be fucked

dumb question but if I have a curved monitor should the image follow the curve of the glass or be flat within it?

My small Toshiba CRT turns itself off after 15 minutes being on how do I fix it?
>inb4 check your settings
My settings are fine, sleep timer is set to 0, shutoff timer is set to OFF.
it still turns off every 15 minutes, turns back on once I turn it back on... but turns off again... in 15 minutes.

>>7418697
>glass is made of massively toxic lead
Oh man I sleep right next to mine. How long do I have left bros...

>>7421608
>and if market demand is still there

Nah, we'll have this shit by then

>>7421320
cool photo. is your crt set on underscan?

Eh

Picked up a 27" from my buddy in exchange for a ride to the mechanic this weekend.

>>7423102
Nice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGrN_RD86C4

>>7422073
Reset

>>7418225
the 2021 lineup of high-end OLEDs from LG, Sony etc is already gonna be capable enough for really good /vr/ results.
>hdmi 2.1 allowing for vrr/accurate speed/scrolling of systems slightly below or above standard refresh rate
>way fucking brighter allowing for improved BFI performance
>super low input lag
>self emissive
>etc

even existing OLEDs are pretty nice. LCD might finally be getting less shitty now that all the companies seem to be on some version of the miniLED backlighting trend. one day consumer MicroLED tvs might not be vaporware. etcetc. Displays are improving all the time. CRT is still a much easier, generally cheaper and soulful solution for those with space and arm strength but they're becoming less necessary as time goes on

I just bought a Supercic modded SNES. Man, SNES looks so good on a CRT. I'm gonna invest in some Packapunch RGB cables soon

>>7424209

>>7424209
Are you yuro? I've always gotten noisy crap from RGC.

what are some fun things you can do with your CRT aside from retro gaming?
>watch VHSs that were never released on DVD
>watch DVDs of anime, where the bluray releases are poorly done
>lift them for strength training

how easy is it to rgb mod a crt without being killed

>>7422112
I haven’t adjusted for overscan. Maybe the previous owner did, or maybe some capacitors aren’t as efficient anymore.

>>7424469
4:3 content

>>7424469
I like to watch 4:3 films, series and anime in the original aspect ratio. I got a TV Box and I do this all the time.

>>7414647
small lepai amp and whatever speakers, cheap polks are good

any NY anons want a free samsung 950p FOR FREE off fb marketplace? /marketplace/item/266042124910187/

oh fucking hell this website gave me another obsession
>scale models
>painting miniatures
>digital drawing
>now CRT
fuck me, at least the other 3 were actual hobbies, CRT shit is autistic as audiophiles

why are pc monitors impossible to find bros

>>7424469
I bought a cheap i5 desktop and hooked up the pc to my pvm over scart and just watch old 80s/90s YouTube ads/nick shows on it or classic anime. Pretty cool to play fightcade/mame on it too

>>7424980
gotta keep searching for them bro.

Why is people obsessed about pvm/bvm when mid range crt pc monitors exists

>>7424980
at a certain point you just need to look at it like you’re going to get a new budget priced monitor and spend ~100 bucks.

>>7425393
what? you can basically get a high end pc crt monitor for basically free. s o y boys are only looking for pvm/bvms

>>7424183
>oled
still just don’t buy it. dropping over a thousand bucks on something that has a 50-50 shot of making it1-2 years unscathed is ridiculous, maybe if they get down to disposable prices.
>microled
this isn’t just the typical case of needing to iron out the kinks in production, it’s an inherently exorbitant process to place the individual leds which might never be made viable for the consumer market.
Ee’re still in the desert.

>>7425401
maybe if you stake out recycling centers or you’re willing to drive 3 hours. a lot of people outside of major metros are sol.

>>7425436
this is what ebay niggers actually believe

>>7425507
I wish could make local deals manifest on facebook marketplace and craigslist through sheer force of belief but sadly I am weak.

>>7425526
Are you doing expanded area search?

>>7425423
if you're referring to burn in, it's really not even top 5 of people's concerns anymore on recent year models. you'd basically have to be trying fairly hard at this point to burn your screen. sure, they're expensive, but 4K crt shaders on an OLED with BFI enabled is the best experience you're gonna get if you're trying to have a crt-like experience on a modern display. they are only going to get better and cheaper.

>>7418720
>>7418716
we still have sed/fed/oled and magnetic matrix displays, which IBM has a patent for but never did anything with, fortunately the patent expires soon, dont fret

another option that is actually feasible would be a return of crt projectors with modern components, they could be far lighter and far more efficient, plus no need for masks

>>7425538
game?

>>7426178
lol

>>7426181
???

>>7426178
lee carvallo's putting challenge

>>7424940
Only if you decide to go into rgb type things like a homo. Otherwise it’s acceptable

>>7426178
rapelay.

>>7426250
What if you can RGB mod your consoles by yourself?

>>7426174
>yfw IBM renews the patents for another 80 years

Hello, I'm new here and it's my first time trying to set up a CRT. I've tried connecting my ps4, switch and pc on my philips 14pt1482 but I'm not getting any audio. I'm using a cheap hdmi to rca converter I found online with stereo output, my tv only has mono. The video seems to be working fine but I'm not getting any audio even after trying a Y splitter, or just connecting the white one. The speakers do work but I'm not sure if there's a problem with my audio port or my setup is just wrong. I don't mind buying it another speaker but I'd rather not if I actually don't have to.

>>7426174
All that stuff sounds way better than LCDs.
Christ, is this how betamax and laserdisk fans feel?

>>7426562
why play high res stuff on a crt? unless running emulators, in which case, use groovymame or something

>>7426578
Why not? I want to play on crt for nostalgia, most of the games I'm going to play are classics and from my time anyway. I just need the thing to work.

>>7426516
Rgb mod a consumer TV

>>7426562
>playing a 16:9 ps4 on a 4:3 240p tv via an hdmi converter

>>7426569

like downs children? probably

>>7426615
i guess no one knows the issue then

>>7426621
have you tested the audio on the TV with a source that's not your shoddy HDMI adapter? Sounds like the TV might be busted. Anyways there's almost no benefit to using a CRT when you're using a shitty adapter, pilarboxing, etc. You'd be better off with a VGA monitor connected to your PC.

>>7426660
Pretty sure the speaker itself works fine because I've tried using it as a regular tv. The problem is I don't have anything else that has an actual rca output so I can't test if it's just the port that's the issue. Anyways, if there's nothing I could do about it then I'll just plug a headset on the console or pc itself.

>>7426670
if you have any audio equipment you can also run the headphone output into an amp or your PC or something but that's not ideal. I haven't used a PS4 in several years but see if you can force mono on the system, you shouldn't even need a y splitter if mono audio is actually being sent, since the RCA jacks will be outputting identical signals

>>7426621
Yeah the issue is plugging in a playstatio. 4 into a crt television

>>7427515
>16 inputs
>32"
Jesus

If I didn't already own multiple Trinitrons, I'd ask this thrift store if it really was 'not for sale' or they just didn't want anyone trying to lift it.

>>7427583
why are you buying low end crts in the first place?

>>7427591
All my Trinitrons are PVMs.

>>7427626
>not BVMs
my comment still stands

>>7427571
End game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKRY2U_N9XI

Does anyone here know the name/code of this model?

>>7427718
bro...

>>7427732
The guy said it's 14", is he lying?
Is this model good? It's the only TV getting sold near me.

>>7427761
$?

>>7427732
>>7427761
Just because someone is selling it for that price on Ebay does not mean it's worth that much. I have a KV13 model. It's fucking great, don't break the bank for it though.
Is he lying? He probably just measured it wrong. So what? How much is he asking for it?

>>7427761
Seems like an okay model, probably only s-video at best, wouldn't pay more than $20.

>>7427769
30 dollars (when converted).

>>7427780
O only saw the price in >>7427732 now. Mine is from OLX.

>>7427820
30 dollars is acceptable but ask for 15 first

Newest part of my set.
Mitsubishi diamond pro 900u. Gonna wait til tomorrow so it can warm up from the transport. Looked good on photos though.

>>7427905
What's the ADV in the middle? European monitor?

>>7427905
ah man, the diamonds are basically endgame. I'd love to find a big 20 or 22" VGA monitor, enjoy and post pics when you can

>>7428013
it's a Barco

>>7428110
Luckily the seller didn't know what he had and I bought it for 100 PLN (20$)
>>7428013
Barco advm20 only has s- video, composite and sdi with the upside being that it allegedly has 1000tvl

>>7427905
you are so lucky, dreamcast on those monitors look amazing.

>>7425423
The burn in risk is similar to CRT

>>7400427
does anyone no of any good CRT's that support both PAL and NTSC?

Anons I'm not well versed in the art of buying CRTs but I recently looked into what people are selling in my area and I found this for a cheap price, do you consider it good?
https://www.cnet.com/products/toshiba-md20p1-20-crt-tv/

>>7428507
I don't know where you live but here in euroland most consumer TVs work with both standards no problem

>>7428523
in the uk just none of the listings i have found mention ntsc compatible maybe they just dont mention it at all but want to avoid buying a tv that doesn't have what i want

>>7427635
>BVMs

Nothing wrong with bvm, yes yes meme, but still great technology.

>>7428534
They generally don't mention it

>>7428514
>https://www.cnet.com/products/toshiba-md20p1-20-crt-tv/
>no component
keep looking, not worth getting a set that can only do composite.

Whats the best way to display gb/gbc/gba games on a CRT?
letterboxed 240p or letterboxed 480p?
composhit or rgb?
pic is what NOT to do

>>7428110
To tell you the truth I didn't know that it was a coveted model. I just grabbed it cause I noticed it has rgb with sync on green so I thought that ps3 and ps2 games with progressive scan mode will look great on it.
>>7428338
When I get a dreamcast I'm gonna use it mainly with this monitor.

Modded for RGB SCART via the jungle chip OSD lines

just discovered that you can get some PS2 games to output 240p, looks great

>>7428965
Epic
Remember to bring it to the nearest melee tournament

>>7409042
Bumping this question.

>>7428747
Why did you buy a 16:9 monitor for 4:3 games?

>>7429345
He's one of those lucky cunts with a multiformat monitor.

>>7429358
Clearly he's too stupid to be in that category

>>7400427
The front pannel seems to have gone out on my pvm 2030. Is there any other way to change the input some other way or am I stuck on Line B forever?

>>7429429
How embarrassing
The control switch on the back was turned off

would a ps3 running ps1 games (disc or from the playstation store) look good on a pvm through s-video?

How do you guys take such good pictures of your crts? Mine always look like shit

>>7428965
Who were these kinds of novelty tvs really made by? Samsung? Matsushita? Orion?
Anyway, nice shadowmask, looks great.

>>7429565
A PS1 or PS2 would be the better option since the PS3 doesn't do 240p.

>>7428969
>native 25khz title
>240p looks great, crispy scanlines!
What did he mean by this?

>>7429345
>>7429358
>>7429375
its not my image, its from some redditor
I have a dogshit dell 4:3 monitor

Cool pictures

>>7429737
PS2 port runs at 240p or 480i, tell me which you'd prefer, it's basically comparable to the Saturn version now except for being arcade emu

Can anyone explain how component works on sets that are only 480i? I can get a signal from a PS2 over this connection but when I try with my Xbox, it seems to output actual 480p which results in this weird black and white warbly signal
Basically trying to decide if I should keep this TV or keep looking for one that's 480p

>live in suburban South Oz
>the only people who haven't gotten rid of their CRTs are the people you don't want to buy them from
>nearest town is nearly 100km away
>no room for one anyway due to current NEETdom
I just want to enjoy some nice looking games with no input lag

>>7430730
>when I try with my Xbox, it seems to output actual 480p which results in this weird black and white warbly signal
Does the Xbox logo startup look normal? That should always be 480i unless someone did a BIOS mod to your console.
If the dashboard is in 480p you toggle it by holding both triggers and clicking both sticks, I think. Then you can just go to the settings to turn it off for games.

>>7430937
Yup, dash comes up and looks fine. I didn't know about the dashboard resolution toggle so I'll give that a go, thanks anon

>>7430972
I meant splash
Must be something I messed up when softmodding this Xbox, running UnleashX so maybe 480p works but the TV just doesn't like it. Thanks for the suggestions though.

>>7408592
This. All aperture grille tubes (like Trinitron) have it

>>7431043
That toggle is just for the official dashboard, not sure how you can fix your settings in UnleashX without seeing. I think you can set UnleashX resolutions separate from the rest of the console, so maybe you could FTP an edited settings file?

>>7431107
if anyone is in ohio. a guy on fb marketplace is selling a rebranded version of this: /marketplace/item/233433858381456/

>>7431109
For all who cared, I had to set nkpatcher to standard video, then had to edit my config.xml and set 480p and 720p to "no". However games are still booting at 480p so that's the next hurdle. Probably will stick to s-video until I find a set that supports 480p.

>>7431172
and in conclusion, 480i looks like trash regardless of cable. Thanks for reading my blog.

>>7408619
>I assume the smaller Trinitrons are more rare?

KV-20FV300, KV-13FS110, KV-13FS100

Worth their weight in gold these days, rare as fuck too.

>>7431245
am I the only person who doesn't understand playing on tiny sets? 15-20" is good for a monitor on your desk but that's it. I wouldn't go any smaller than a 27" if you play on a couch. Overvaluing tiny CRTs is weird.

>>7431232
That's a problem with most Xbox versions.
https://www.avforums.com/threads/xbox-flicker-filter-and-why-the-picture-is-soft-from-rgb-scart.196390/

>>7431232
>480i looks like trash regardless of cable
Buy a CRT.

>>7431261
While I do believe PVMs have objectively better image quality, playing a screen smaller than 20' is a meme. Anyone that has paid a lot of money for an under 20' PVM should be killed.

>>7431373
Anon why would I post an LCD in the CRT thread? That pic is on a Trinitron
>>7431363
I think you can disable the filter so I'll try adjusting that

>>7431394
Disabling the filter definitely looks better but Xbox's 480i is still beneath other consoles of the time. Still, I usually put up with it over using an HDTV because between that and input lag, it's the lesser of two evils.
480p on a PC CRT would be ideal, but getting RGBHV from it is not trivial from what I hear.

>>7431261
20" isn't that bad for small room set since you are typically sitting closer to it, your viewing angle would be about the same as sitting 8' away from a 27" in your living room.

>>7423102
10/10 anon.

>>7431261
People who have more than one set typically enjoy smaller models. 13 inch Trinitron is fine for certain setups, if you are playing on a couch far away obviously that is going to be different.

How can I figure out the amount of scan lines on my tv? It's a KV-13M20, but I couldn't find anything.

>>7427718
>>7427732
i have one of those laying around. sadly its just a dust collector

>>7431738
Also dot pitch as well

>>7431740
oh just realized its a diff model lol

>>7431775
That looks like the KV-13M20 or a sister model

>>7431778
yeah thats the model

>>7417471
The shield looks fucked up on the RGB Modded Consumer model.
Pay attention to the light blue on the shield in particular, it looks completely wrong.

20m2u looks best out of those even if it is the blurriest/darkest.

>>7418225
>LCD that could accurately emulate one
It's called CRT Royale.
But joking aside we need minimum 8K resolution to simulate the masks accurately.

When 8K MicroLED comes out all things will be solved.

>>7429575
Open camera

>>7431914
MicroLEDs are sort of like the nuclear fusion of display tech. They're amazing, they would obsolete everything else for any concievable purpose overnight, but they just aren't cheap or practical, and may never be. Currently the best we can do for microLED would be around a 32 inch 720P display that costs $10,000.

>>7432903
>nuclear fusion
>not cheap or practical
*Big™ Oil™ has deposited 5 cents into your bank account*

>>7432941
At least not yet, no.

>>7425538
what game is that?

>>7432953
lol

>>7432947
please bro lets just use thorium this time its gonna work I promise please bro
>>7432953
Dick Vitale's "Awesome Baby" College Hoops

>>7432953
dragon quest

>>7432967
plz anon :(

>>7432953
>>7426178
FF7

How much would it be reasonable to sell a 20" 500 TVL PVM for?

>>7433260
500 tvl is low, what is the model?

>>7426562
route the audio to external speakers and avoid using the mono-shit audio on the tv

>>7433364
Okay, I just double checked a few things.
It's actually BVM, it's actually 600 TVL, and it's a BVM-1916 (not sure why I thought it was a PVM, but it has been sitting in a cupboard for a few years).

>>7433390
I give you 3 quid

>>7433390
dont get rid of it, keep it and take care of it you stupid idiot

>>7433415
This

Picked this up recently, any thoughts?

>>7433568
cute

>>7413131
Greatest Discomfort.

how do I replace a non detachable vga cable?

>>7433390
I give you 4 quid

>>7433568
It's nice to keep around a small era authentic set for a real old school feel

>>7433568
Why is it that American TV's rarely had channel presets until digital control era?

I found a PVM but it looks like the RTC battery or something died because all the calibration settings have been cleared.
What the fuck do I do now?

>>7434373
repair it?????

>>7434373
you replace the battery?

>>7434383
>>7434381
I can do that much, but more with regards to the calibration. My understanding is these things are calibrated professionally and I have no idea where to begin. I barely understand how video signals work.

>>7434386
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwOTvOtoAjiqQx1PCrfmTKw

>>7434390
Holy shit. Thank you so much. I thought this was a hopeless situation without any of the relevant documentation, but I'll have a look at the tutorial while I wait on the delivery of a replacement battery.

Will post pics when I'm done. Sincerely, thank you.

>>7434452
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N39PZB8gYhk

>>7434452
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1mQupQHFkc

>>7434492
>>7434390
anyone here got videos or tutorials on how to swap out a flyback?

>>7434687
1. desolder
2. remove
3. replace
4. solder

>>7434794
how do i not die and how do i know if they match?

>>7434797
have you thought about using google and reading the manual?

>>7434805
no

>>7434812
have a nice day

>>7434813
thanks, you too

>>7434687
Damn, you don't even know how to search, u bout to die if you don't follow the basic safety stuff.

>>7433965
splice a new cable in it's place or wire a new cable entirely and replace, shouldn't be that hard for VGA

>>7400427
how common a problem is phosphor decay in the used crt market? I finally managed to pick up a monitor and I think it's borked, pretty noticeable smearing and trails.

>>7435715
It's weak electron gun or capacitors in the video signal path.

>>7435715
its probably caps or a power supply issue

>>7434839
i have discharged a crt before in order to clean it but I have never done something as involved as swapping out the flyback tranny

Hey guys, does anyone have any experience with these GE/Interlogix PVMs? I might be able to get one for free, but I just want to make sure it's worth the trouble.

I tried doing some of my own research, but sadly my knowledge of CRTs is lacking so I'm not sure on what to look out for.

This model in particular is a MVC-15HS. Here's the manual: https://static.interlogix.com/library/mvc_15hs_prd.pdf

>>7436147
Prolly gonna be really high dot pitch

>>7436147
>>7436154
Nvm I just read manual, actually really good specs. Definitely would get for free.

>>7432903
>>7432903
>Currently the best we can do for microLED would be around a 32 inch 720P display that costs $10,000.
And the best we could do with Plasma in the 90s was 480p(and an incredibly shitty one at that) at a much much higher price.
Dude, just shut up. You have no idea what you you're talking about.

>>7436094
>>7435824
I guess to rephrase how common a problem are aging/used components? is every 20 year old monitor you get basically a lotto ticket?

>>7436549
Monitor or consumer television? Monitors are more than likely more reliable because most people don't idle a computer without it going into sleep mode (or Screensaver back then). Consumer televisions were left on way more and thus become much Morehouse exposed to overuse.

>>7436597
Much more exposed* fucking samsung keyboard sucks

>>7436549
>is every 20 year old monitor you get basically a lotto ticket?
Yes. Ideally you should get a CRT tester and test the tube before paying anything. Other stuff can usually be replaced.

>>7436597
Monitors used in those >9000cd brain damage inducingly bright office spaces are likely just as dead.

anyone in PA want a free PVM? the only catch is you have to take the consumer tv sets. fb marketplace
/marketplace/item/175322664104226/

>>7436616
>>7436623
fuck the state of display technology is depressing. you can't even get something as simple as the color black without wading through 20 year old failing hardware or ponying up 2 grand for OLED burn-in.

>>7436641
8 and 9 inch pvms are really just swagfag stuff. Who is realistically playing games on a 8 or 9 inch screen?

>>7436725
dumb redditors who'll pay a lotta money for it

>>7405223
240P is a lie. Stuff was meant to be displayed at 480i.

>>7410581
My 480i Wega is great for the Miami Vice DVD.

I think there has been a 1080 Blu Ray release of Miami Vice.

>>7410430
I use an ATSC converter box with a HDMI to VGA converter for my computer monitor and 720P video is super smooth.

>>7426615
That is not 240p.

>>7428507
Not sure, but I can watch standard def PAL properly on my computer CRT if I set it to 100hz.

>>7436783
>playing a ps4 on a crt
There I fixed it

>>7437094
>playing a ps4

>>7437097
>playing

>>7437190
>

>>7437209

>>7437094
>not playing ps4 on an HD crt

ngmi lad

>>7437094
720p on a PC CRT would be fine.

>>7437564
the only crts that can properly display 16:9 are meme models pricegouged to hell and the consoles stopped official 4:3 support.

>>7437374
there's no motherfucking way this is a legit photo/legit tube tv (ie not a prop). He is carrying it with all the weight super unevenly distributed, and those motherfuckers weigh over 100 pounds, not to mention they are just awkward to carry due to their weight distribution. No matter how buff this dude is, no way he could just casually walk like that carrying a 32-36" CRT.

>>7430843
Call up recycle centers saying youre an artist making an installation piece and say you'll pay for scrap. Typically thats where the best crt monitors are left. Pic related is a cctv I picked up for 4 bucks there that I restored. If they've been there a while, don't worry about it. Mine had moss growing on it and it worked perfectly. Also they dont charge by the value but by the weight. 30 pounds was only 4 bucks.

>>7438407
Haha I was just thinking the same thing. Your arm would be straight out the socket if you attempted this, I feel like a set that big is easily 200lbs+

I just picked this up for free at a local school that was cleaning out inventory! The screen needs to be adjusted, haven't gone into the service menu yet but I'm perfectly fine with a free S-Video PVM.

>>7439210
Not bad, it's nice to know these pick ups are still possible. Model number?

>>7439284
It's a PVM-14N5U. Also I had been an RGB snob up until now on my giant 36 inch Trinitron but S-Video is quite nice on a tiny screen like this! I'm a little hyperfocused on the screen alignment being flat and straight across the board but I just haven't had time to mess with it yet.

>>7438407
I'm pretty sure that's a pic from the X-Men movie. He's supposed to be super strong.

>>7438484
so they'll just let you walk around and pick stuff up? Is this a normal thing or something under the table?

>>7439832
It depends on the recycle center, had to call 5 before I found one that let me. You have to emphasize that you're gonna pay too so they don't worry about you taking inventory.