/vr/ - Retro Games

unironically nice collection, anon

It had a bunch of cool japanese games for some reason, not what you would expect from the Xbox brand.

>>7395601
Shill me on Breakdown

>>7395601
Yeah I think this thread is the dark souls of shitty threads

>>7395615
The Xbox 360 had a dangerously based amount of shumps for it and I could never understand why.

The OG Xbox has an awesome library and a surprising amount of cool Japanese games. Shame we never got pic related.

If you walk through a used game store once in a while, there's a likely chance you will find games on the original Xbox that you never even knew were actually on the original Xbox

no but it was the dreamcast 2 of gen 6

>>7395601
Not retro

>>7395615
Wild Rings is a cool one with an English translation. It's an MMA game where you play as generic representatives of styles like Sumo, Karate, Boxing. They all have different abilities because of their styles.

>>7395665
/thread

>>7395601
...and that's a good thing!

>>7395601
Xbox is the potbellied WWE fan of gen 6 consoles

>>7395615
Dumb zoomer, both the Xbox and the 360 had plenty of great Japanese games before Mattrick destroyed the brand.

>>7395601
Overrated by wannabe hardcore gamers? Absolutely

>>7398352
I still can't believe it. Microsoft had a massive heart start against Sony and all the PS3 did was flop around like a fish out of water. It was a massive joke console for years, and every multiplat except for Final Fantasy XIII ran better on the 360. How could one NSA endorsed spy camera do so much damage to a brand that in five years, Microsoft had to seriously consider cutting their loses and retire the Xbox brand only a year into the Xbox One?

I'm glad Mattrick's legacy is so shit, the only company that would take him on was Zynga, and he was replaced less than two years later, never to find work again.

>>7395904
Xbox is where most Sega and arcade fans gravitated.

>>7398650
I know, I was both.

>>7398651
Same here. 360 is actually my favorite console over all after Genesis.

>>7398646
The funny thing is that the Kinect was a success, it sold more than the Dreamcast and Wii U, the software support was shit.

>>7395601
Xbox was the dumb obese inbred retard shitting itself on wallmart of game consoles

>>7395645
>punch buff dudes
>drink mtn dew

Are you sold anon?

>>7395601
How good is a modded 360 in regards to playing og xbox games? Can it run a significant amount of them and if so are there any improvements or might as well go for the original hardware?

>>7395601
>no Bloody Roar Extreme
That's gonna be a yikes from me

>>7398774
>How good is a modded 360 in regards to playing og xbox games?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_games_compatible_with_Xbox_360
It's fucking incredible. A modded 360 will let you play every 360 and 99% of the OG Xbox library. You can also install hacked backwards compatibility files to force any OG Xbox game to boot, but they might not all be playable per-se. For instance, Capcom Fighting Jam being forced to run on a modded 360 has garbage data instead of sprites, but StarCraft Ghost works exactly as intended and runs better than an original Xbox since it has more RAM and the leaked build expects an original Xbox devkit that has double RAM.

Meanwhile, an XSX/XSS lets you play roughly 40 ~ 60 original Xbox games (total, not percent of the library) and 22% of the 360 library. Not worth it at all, especially since the Fission emulator used forces Vsync and adds noticeable input lag.

>>7398814
Oh also, there's no enhancements. Microsoft will use fancy tech buzzword talks to tell you that playing your old games on the Xbox One X or Series S/X through BC runs them at 4k, but that's not true. The games still render at whatever internal resolution they render at, and the Xbox just scales the image to 4k. The only real "enhancement" is the detrimental vsync you can't turn off. Just play them on the 360.

>>7395601
Nice Gunvalkyrie bro, one of my favorites

>>7398821
What about the auto hdr? This is all a bummer to hear, I was hoping to snag a series x some day so I could play games like mercenaries playground of destruction at 4k 60 fps with hdr to boot.

>>7398858
>What about the auto hdr?
It's about what you can expect from auto HDR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfLz97AbBg0

If you've ever played Sonic Unleashed before, this video should show you everything you need to know about the XSX's BC. It's still rendered at sub-720p, auto-HDR makes it look a little bit more presentable but is barely noticeable, the framerate doesn't dip at all, and the loading segment between the two parts of the level is basically non-existent. This video is also kind of cheating though since Sonic Unleashed was a 60 fps game (with noticeable dips). Games that were locked to 30 fps won't unlock to 60, and it's still 567p upscaled to 4k at the end of the day.

>>7398872
This is so dissapointing. These new consoles are shockingly garbage. Guess I'm stuck with pc emulation and my actual ps2 for now.

>>7395904
>>7398650
>>7398651
>>7398751
Supposedly the 360 was doing so poorly in Japan that Microsoft loosened the requirements and fees to license games on the hardware so that niche Japanese companies would publish games and improve sales.

>>7398889
Actually, it was the original Xbox itself that was doing poorly. It also didn't help that they lost their mascot, Blinx, because of licensing issues with Artoon going out of business and being absolved into several different companies over the years. Yes, somehow, Blinx was their mascot in Japan. When the 360 hit, Microsoft went on the aggressive and started making licensing deals with major Japanese devs for exclusives like Tales of Vesperia, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Infinite Discovery, etc. You're right though, fees to license games onto the XBLA were notoriously cheap, so that's why a lot of shumps got releases on there, and a few got meme physical releases. A secondary reason as said before, most Sega and arcade fans went to the 360, especially since the X360 was the FGC console and fighting games aren't dead in Japan.

>>7398814
>99% of the OG Xbox library
Try 90% WITH hacked backwards compatibility and still 20% of those will have pretty nasty glitches. There's a pretty big list of popular OGXbox games completely unplayable on 360 hacked.

>>7398821
Because not every game is enhanced you brainlet. There is a category section of OneX/Series X enhanced games and they are rendered in actual 4k, such as Ninja Gaiden Black, Panzer Dragoon Orta or Ninja Gaiden 2. Games like Sonic or Lost Odyssey are not under this category hence have no enhancements.

>>7398858
Auto-HDR has been a massive letdown. It was sold to us on the basis that when you render lit polygons in any engine you will naturally go outside the 1.0f,1.0f,1.0f white point which DirectX will helpfully clip for you. And so by modifying the DirectX stack slightly you could preserve these brighter than whites for HDR output. Basically taking the internal HDR workflow that all games post-HL:Lost Coast do and making it real. In practice however this didn't work. Games assumed 8bit RGB in SDR and they processed the framebuffers with that in mind and there was no convenient place to tap into the HDR workflow as it was all mostly done in either software or arbitrary shaders.
So what microsoft did is just get some interns to sit and play with some sliders that would take the SDR image and change the response curve to blow out the whites and uncrush the blacks. It leads to horrifically oversaturated high contrast images where outside the mid-tones everything just gets stretched to the extremes of the HDR bounds said interns decided was "good". It's no different to taking your TV remote and fucking with the gamma curve until it sears your eyeballs. In fact it's basically a (slightly) hand tuned version of what auto-hdr on your TV does already.

>>7395904
Sony were playing assholes again in that era. They didn't want 2D on disc, they wanted discs to be big AAA releases and 2D would be PSN only. Microsoft Japan saw an opportunity and took it.
It's the reverse of what made Sony a household name. Nintendo were assholes, Sony captured a huge number of developers by not being assholes. Funny that.

>>7399003
Nothing what you said is correct and literary taken out of your ass. There were already few videos on how auto-hdr shit works on that xbox and it's practically the opposite of what you're saying, but I definitely love that slider intern part, really makes it believable and dramatic.

>>7398814
>>7398821
>>7398980
70-80% sounds good enough to me, sadly my 360 is one of the later models that can't be modded but I'm definitely going to search for a used one now just for xbox og games. I guess, maybe when I feel like it I'll invest in an OSSC and get an OG xbox for the rest of them

>>7398814
I think the xbox one x enhanced games actually do render at higher resolutions but the list of enhanced games is pretty small and most of them are multiplats you can play on PC anyway.

I was going to say that what makes a one x/series x desirable for me is support for USB wheels so I can play old forza games with a wheel but then I realized they aren't actually supported! not worth the admission price for a couple of games anyway

how's xbox emulation coming along?

>>7399119
I too watched those videos and thought it was cool tech. I also saw the real results from the real games and it's not as advertised. It's a shitty contrast filter and not HDR at all. I'm not going to take the words of a company over the evidence of a side by side comparison on professional monitors. Here's a hint: SDR colorspace exists WITHIN HDR. Things should not be getting contrast expanded, either the lights falling on the textures should make it brighter, or there should be more visible detail in the shadows. If it looks black crushed and blown out when displayed on an SDR display, that means your "HDR" is fake.

Now is the time if you want to collect for OG Xbox before the hipsters and resellers get to it

>>7395601
Nice collection, but you definitely could use some more racers like Outrun 2 (original release is better than C2C/2006 imo), Forza, PGR, Rallisport Challenge, and mech games like Steel Battalion, Phantom Crash, Gun Metal and Battle Engine Aquila.

>>7398814
>99%
You can't play Otogi, Otogi 2, The Warriors, Spikeout, Metal Wolf Chaos, Def Jam NY, Steel Battalion, Gunvalkyrie, Xyanide or Crazy Taxi 3. There just went half of your worthwhile library.

R8 my xbox collection

>>7395601

>>7400681
Crimson Skies 3 when?/10

>>7400681
Conspicuous lack of Breakdown/10

>>7400731
Got it for free in xbox one a few days ago. Is it any good?

>>7400736
Kind of like Namco's take on Half-Life except the combat is focused on melee and superpowers, although there is still gun combat, but it stinks in comparison.

Very clunky/frustrating at times but the story is very good.

>>7400716
Yes, that is where rage faces like yours belong.

I don't understand the current market for fatboxes at all. I've been wanting to get one because the drive tray broke on mine a couple years ago and I heard BC on 360 is shit, but all the consoles are $150-200. Meanwhile the games (which I don't need because I already everything I want) are almost all around $5-20. Every other console seems the opposite where the actual hardware is cheap but the games are ridiculously inflated.

>>7400752
You can now get upscaled vomit in glorious 4K on Xbox One X.

never really liked the xbox as a console but it has a great library if you're into interesting 7/10 games, which i am
>>7400758
aw i was hoping it was working in cxbx now since i really want to play that game again, my xbox doesn't even read the disc anymore either

What are some top shit exclusives from all regions? Only a handfull of us titles i still wana get and im looking towards import goodness

>>7398646
All the people who made Xbox great in the 2000s (Seamus Blackley, Ed Fries, J Allard, Robbie Bach, Greg Canessa, Peter Moore etc.) talk about how hard they had to fight for their ideas because Microsoft was filled with literal retards who either didn't understand gaming or hated it and wanted to kill the Xbox (my theory is the old WebTV team was responsible for the retarded entertainment machine instead of a gaming console bullshit with Xbox One). Mattrick was a dumbfuck yes-man who knew nothing about games and just did whatever the bosses wanted to do.
>>7398889
>Supposedly the 360 was doing so poorly in Japan
https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/111229/Xbox_360_Outsells_Wii_In_Japan.php
All they had to do was to keep the exclusives and jarpigs coming. Peter Moore understood this and was proven right eventually, but it was too late.

>>7398646
it wasnt the kinect (although forcing it to be bundled with xbone and raising the price was a problem) so much as the botched reveal where they tried to ban used games and everybody hated them

I remember when DOA games were Xbox exclusives.

>>7395601
>Yeah I'm thinking Xbox was the Dark Souls of gen 6 consoles
what you mean ?

>>7398821
I assumed it was like how emulation on PC is, where it can "scale" the game to 4k, or technically as high as you want. They just have to test to make sure it looks good.

>>7400862
There are some here, but honestly the best part about the Xbox is its basically the end all be all for multiplatforms in retrospect IMO because of its power + 480p+ support + ability to load games perfectly off the hard disk.

Xbox > Dreamcast (VGA) > Gamecube > PS2 in terms of how 6th generation consoles have aged in retrospect (I judge by a combination of technical prowess and how good the modding community is also, no one wants to pay some of the prices they are asking for certain 6th gen games). Although ironically the Xbox is one of the most affordable consoles, I don't think it has as much nostalgia bait as the Gamecube (exclusives) or PS2 (sheer popularity) or Dreamcast (small quantity of some games that are looked back upon fondly)

>>7401189
>that pic
no love for spikeout?

>>7398763
>t. 400lb weeb gamer

>>7400563
Otogis work on modded 360 according to youtube

>>7399279
Still shit

>>7395601
>Actually buying the OG Xbox
Jesus christ.

reminder that xemu is making incredible progress and something like 30% of games are playable now
not much but at least its something

>>7403917
*removes the shit, inferior ports and multiplats, and games that got a better port on later consoles*

>>7403994
Xbox will never have games

>>7403994
lol @ ur life for spending time doing this
maybe if u had a ps2 u would b playin games instead

>>7404052
Xboxtrannies don't know what games are, anon.

>>7404000
Ninja Gaiden and DoA2 Ultimate were good games.

>>7404063
1 or 2 games don't make a console good, that's the PS4 buyer logic.

>>7398759
It also made fucktons of money because it was sold at a massive profit.

>>7404082
xhueg actually has more exclusives than ps4, even more if you only count good games

>>7404052
imagine being such a pleb you don't have all three and then go into threads showing off what a dumb pleb you still are