/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7397774
Same. PSIV is my all time favorite JRPG. SNES had far more RPG quantity, but Genesis despite it's smaller library had some of the best in the genre. If you add Sega CD then Lunar 2 is pretty fantastic as well.

>>7397774
PSIII fucking sucked and you know it

>>7397774
Those games aren't good.
>>7397791
>Lunar 2
That one is though

>phantasy star III

>>7397816
>>7397979

Would rather play it than FFVI.

>>7397774
I used save states to finish Phantasy Star 4 and it was the most boring game I have ever beat. Go to point A, go to point B...literally all it was. Some sweet tunes and getting to battle rag rappies was the only good thing I can take away from that experience.

>>7397774
No game on that list even holds a candle to FF6.

No, not even PS4, and that's a good game.

>>7397774
>no Phantasy Star 1

You fucked up OP

Also, SNES RPGs by and large are better than Sega ones with the exception of Phantasy Star 1

>>7397993
Phantasy Star Online is greater than Final Fantasy 1-9. Stronger gameplay by a million miles and an even stronger story.

>>7398000

Okay, check out this hot take.

I'd rather play Master System JRPGs over FFVI.

>>7398076

Actually pretty based but you forgot Lord of the Sword

>>7398076
Never messed with Master System before but those title screens are charming me into it

>>7398076
soulful list but almost none of them are JRPGs

>>7398374
Yeah and they're actually fun games.

>>7397978
Shining Force I+II are good the rest are mediocre games for contrarians.

>>7398076
>Heroes of the Lance
Fucking lol that is literally the worst game I ever played on a console.

>>7398486
Beat me to it. Shame, really. I enjoyed the dragon lance books as a kid and this prompted me to grind through this game on C64. It was an awful game design.

>>7397774
Good list, but add Rings of Power, Buck Rogers: Countdown to Doomsday, Shining in the Darkness, Langrisser 1-2, Warriors of the Eternal Sun and Might and Magic 2.
>>7398076
>no Ultima 4

>>7397816
lol wut?

EGM #22: 9/10
Mega Play (May 1991): 9/10
Gamepro (Aug. 1991): 4/5
Mega Play (May 1991): 8/10
Megatech: 89%

>>7397774
Phantasy Star 2 is buggy, poorly designed, rushed trash though.

Reminder that PS3 is fine when compared to it's contemporaries.
Not FUCKING GREAT (when compared to it's contemporaries), like PS1 and PS2 were, but fine.

>>7398786
I seriously can't understand why people like PS2 so much, 1 & 4 are amazing, 3 is rough around the edges but at least attempts some interesting things.

2, between the leveling bug, your stats not actually being factored into battle, the insanely piss poor dungeons that were literally laid out by an intern, the rushed production schedule, and the obstructed dungeon view... is just bad.

>>7399038
Style might factor into that.

>>7397774

This really shouldn’t be a hot take, FFVI is an insufferably boring game that, like all FFs, it only attracts its fanbase because how seriously it takes itself. Yes, it’s ambitious, and that’s not what makes a game great. PSIV on the other hand, while being a bit short on side content, is absolutely charming and fun throughout its entirety. The macros are time efficient and the story is breezy and always clear about where it wants to go. This is in contrast to FFVI where you have to fight the same random slime boss multiple times because God forbid Square actually decides to come up with a plot.

>>7399215
>only attracts its fanbase because how seriously it takes itself.
>You can suplex a fucking train.
>the opera improv
>the opera battle with a fucking octopus who wants to drop a weight on the stage like this was some old road runner cartoon
>the octopus portrait
>son of a submariner!
>kefka accidently gets taken out by one of his own magitek mecha

It was one of the least serious RPGs out there, at least up to the world of ruin.

>>7399038
there was nothing better in 1989

>>7399530
PS1 and, arguably, DQ3.
That said, depending on what are you in for PS2 might be better.

>>7397774
Poor excuse for a sega simp fanboy thread. We all see through your shit.

>>7399490

That’s not saying much at all, though it wasn’t my point. What I mean is that Final Fantasy often sells on the thrill of ambition and scope. This is why it has so many black sheep games, because people are sold more on the grandiosity of the series instead of their gameplay quality, and inevitably the games rarely ever reach the expectations of its crowd. The most tactical that FFVI ever gets is backing off from Ultros to reduce damage, which is an embarrassing thing to praise about it. It’s a braindead game, with an infantile story that people are bent on arguing that it’s the best thing ever made. The thing for me about series like PS or DQ is that they’re not trying to win a technology pissing contest, and as such they end up being far more fun and relaxing to play, in spite of FF not being that different to them in terms of gameplay.

>>7398076
Golden Axe Warrior is an excellent game.

>>7397774
Conversely, I think those games are shit and would never play them over any Square game.

>>7399761
You seem to have sold yourself on your own grandiosity. Yours is a dramatic but exceptionally weak straw man criticism of FFVI.

>>7397984
>Go to point A, go to point B...literally all it was.
Have you ever a touched a jarpig before?

>>7401284
Have you?

>>7398076
Miracle Warriors is based and redpilled

>>7397774
Xenogears a shit.

>>7397774
>being this contrarian
anyway, bump

>>7401678
based

>>7399553
>PS1 and, arguably, DQ3.
Dragon warrior 2, 3 and 4 on NES were released after phantasy star 2 on Genesis. Even the first final fantasy on NES was released several months after Ps2.

Aside from the first dragon warrior and the dreadful hydlide, there were not a lot of RPGs released in the west at this point. There were also dungeon explorer on TG16 that was out at this point but like 8 people ever played it.

>>7398602
How is Surging Aura?
There's ports of both Uncharted Waters but they're a bit trash.

For non-SNES 16-bit JRPGs, the correct place to look is the PC Engine though. So much more games to be found there, and some of the best ever.

>>7397774
if you like phantasy star, you should also like ff6. previous ff games maybe not so much. 6 is actually good though, and you're just a contrarian idiot if you genuinely dont think so, yet sing praises to this other stuff.

secret of mana is overrated though, i agree.

>>7401302
Aye, it's a fun little game but the experience system is such a chore. Once you have a full party it becomes quite the slog to grind them equally.
That FM music though.

>>7397774
>Light Crusader
>ANSWER THE RIDDEL
that's gonna be a kek from me OP

>>7405605
ff3 >>> ff6

Final Fantasy VI is an amazing game and one of the best JRPGs ever.

Suck my dick.

>>7405797
given the number of closeted homos and trannies on this board I'd take caution before saying something like that

>>7399761
i can't speak to modern FF but back in the day that pissing contest pushed the envelope for the entire genre, perhaps the entire industry, in a way that DQ never did

>ITT:

*casually destroys every other jarpig in this thread and and all the others ever made*
Nothing personal, kid

>>7397984
>used save states to finish Phantasy Star 4 and it was the most boring game I have ever beat

You didn’t beat it.

>>7398663
Contemporary scores mean nothing. The game aged like shit.

>>7406120

At least you didn't post Super Mario JRPG. Another good game. However, y'all get too casual saying Squaresoft were geniuses when they only had 2 great games.

I remember Secret of Evermore. I remember Mystic Quest.

>>7397774
I'd play none of them and just play Ultima instead.

>>7406120
Shining Force 2 is a superior game about an adventure with a bunch of non-characters.
>>7406607
They had only 2 great games, yes:
Live-a-Live and FF Tactics.

>>7406607
> I remember those two outsourced games

>>7397774
PSI, II, and IV are better than FFI-IV, arguably on equal footing with FFV, but I think FFVI and Chrono Trigger are better. My uncle played both Phantasy Star and Final Fantasy when they were new and he felt the same way.

Phantasy Star's US localization predates Final Fantasy's by over a year and a half, and Hell Phantasy Star II also came out here just a couple months before FFI and they felt years ahead of the curve in-comparison.

Shining Force's localization also predates both Fire Emblem and Battle Ogre and Shining Force is objectively-superior but I digress.

>>7397816
>>7397816
It was the worst in the series but it was still okay, better than FFII at-least.

>>7397774
Also you forgot to post Crusader of Centy which is like A Link to the Past and Secret of Mana mashed together, great game.

>>7407253
>Also you forgot to post Crusader of Centy
No he didn't.

>>7407429
Oh I see now. Soleil is the name of the Bong localization.

>>7407429
CoC >>> AlttP

>>7407242
This >>7401302 was the first JRPG ever localised in the west

>>7410029
We had Miracle Warriors too. Great game just not as memorable as Phantasy Star.

>>7401302
Ok this got a good laugh out of me.