/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7384443
>proto-SotN exploration
>casual mode (the loli)
>boring platforming
>OP sub-weapons
>forced cutscenes
it's shite.

>>7384443
Definitely

>>7384443
4chan can't name a single pc engine game they've played other than rondo

>hard mode: no Ys IV

>>7384519
bonk's revenge, which is better than rondo

>>7384443
1 = 3 > 4 > Bloodlines > Rondo

>>7384519
guess again retard

>>7384519
Alien Crush pinball

>>7384443
But the best is Dawn of Sorrow, a not-retro game and sequel to the best retro Castlevania, Aria of Sorrow.

>>7384519
columns

>>7384519
Gate of Thunder
Dungeon Explorer 1 and 2
Magical Chase
Jackie Chan Action Kung Fu
Blazing Lazers
Last Alert
Bloody Wolf
Ginga Fukei Sapphire
Soldier Blade
Bonk 1 and 2
Devil's Crush

it's a great system, Rondo is just the most famous game because it's the best game in a legendary series.

>>7384519
fausseté amour

>>7384443
I agree

time to repost my awesome webms

>>7386165
and by I agree I mean I disagree. Drac X is better.

>>7384519
Legend of Valkyrie

>>7384504
>>proto-SotN exploration
Alternate routes to get to the final is fun, the game is still mostly linear.
>>casual mode (the loli)
No need to sperg out over an Easy Mode existing, just don't use her, problem solved.
>>boring platforming
Castlevania never was pure platforming, it's a combination of fighting monsters AND platforming.
>>OP sub-weapons
Better than the whip being so OP that you don't need any sub-weapons (aka SCV4).
>>forced cutscenes
I remember one when you start the game, then what, one when you get to Maria and Dracula? (The Maria one is optional btw), not really a lot to become a downside.

I unironically prefer Dracula X

>>7386316
Better first stage, everything else is a downgrade.

>>7384519
The godzilla one

>>7384504
>>proto-SotN exploration
If you mean branching paths than what do you think of CV3 than?

>>7384504
the exploration is not bad or difficult, it took me about a week to 100% the game, and it rewards you with the bonus levels which are pretty fun. I really liked the platforming and don't see the issue with the sub weapons.
>>7386316
>>7386168
I need to check out Dracula X but what is the appeal? Are any stages/bosses actually more fun than Rondo?

>>7386351
It was a rushed cashgrab and worse in every aspect

>>7384443
>Konami
>Starts making good platform games in 90
>Tease us with maria
>Makes richter mode a secret mode in sotn

Why

>>7384519
Bonk 1~3, Street Fighter II: CE, Ninja Gaiden, Bomberman 94, Ninja Spirit, Kaze Kiri, Marchen Maze, Valis 1, Shubibinman 3, New Adventure Island, Double Dragon II, Densetsu no Valkyrie, Gunhead, Be Ball, Star Soldier series, Fausette Amour, Asuka 120%, etc

>>7386461
>Tease us with maria
What, you're implying that you wanted Maria to star in her own game?
>Makes richter mode a secret mode in sotn
Makes sense to make it an extra mode, you need to experience the way that the game was intended first with the RPG mechanics.

>>7386587
>RPG mechanics

Backtracing and boredom.

Where can I download an English version again?

>>7386595
>Backtracing
Backtracking is a meme not as a common as people make it out to be, at least not in Castlevania.
>boredom
My favorite Metroidvanias are the ones you're constantly getting new skills (Aria, Dawn, Order of Ecclesia, Bloodstained), it makes running through the castle and killing enemies more entertaining since you're constantly changing the way you play the game while exploring.

>>7386620
I learned that avoiding enemies is more 'fun' than facing them in these games.

>>7384443
The music kicks major ass, especially the boss gauntlet music when you fight the bosses from CastleVania 1.

>>7386347
It didn't let you backtrack in the levels, though. The branching path was presented at the end of a level in III, unlike Rondo where you have to find a different/hidden branching path.

>>7384519
I played the Valis 1 remake on a emulator, it's surprisingly really good considering how bad the mega drive version was.

>>7386351
>Are any stages/bosses actually more fun than Rondo?

definitely harder, but not more fun

most of the enemies are missing, which is the biggest issue imo

>actually preferring dracula x or cv4 over rondo

Peak retard contrarian

>>7387583
Rondo sucks and killed the CV series.

Also, fuck IGA.

>>7387612
How did Rondo kill anything when it wasn't released outside of Japan for 15~ years?

>>7387615
Because it was responsible for the birth of Symphony of the Night, Rondo's sequel. Both are to blame for the downfall of the arcade-style Classicvania and the rise of exploration-based Castlevania games.

>>7387261
The Valis 1 remake is the best game in the series which is unfortunate because it lacks the character switching of the previous games and that was the greatest thing about them.

>>7387635
rondo really has a sweet spot I feel between the classic and metroidvania games. I don't like the size of sotn or later games but I do wish there had been more similar to rondo without rpg elements but including branching levels

>>7387635
I still enjoy Rondo
Good music, fun gameplay, etc. It was Shitfphony that ruined the series, primarily

Why are Castlevania fans so autistic?

>>7384519
>hard mode: no Ys IV
Damn

what a based thread, instantly makes the classicvania faggots seethe. Iga saved the series and the boomers complaining about his games are so funny.

>>7388137
kill yourself retard

>>7384443
My favorite classic style is Bloodlines or 3. My favorite igavania is SotN or CotM

>>7384443
>>7388186
Oh and favorite 3D is Lament of Innocence or Lords of Shadow

>>7384443
>stops you in your path
Castlevania DS games are the best

>>7388186
>I start playing COTM
>offscreen bosses

The game will get better ?

>>7388212
never touched these games because i hate the cheap animu artwork

>>7388137
He didn't even direct Symphony of the Night, dicklips.

>>7384542
>>7385505
based
>>7385625
cringe for including googoogaga fucky sapphire

>>7388236
Offscreen bosses?

>>7388236
I don't recall any offscreen bosses. Except the zombie dragons swinging their heads. That's the hardest fight in the game for me.

>>7388281
I didn't like the style shift either but the in-game spritework is still great.

>>7388281
lol classic case of don't judge a game by it's cover. The game itself wasn't weeby or anything.

>>7387903
Call us whatever the fuck you want. I am just glad people are adamantly talking about this franchise now, even though its pretty much dead now officially.

>>7388236
No it really doesn't. Offscreen shit and the general big scale of things is COTM's main flaw

>all the level design is on a huge scale so navigation is a chore
>the fact that you have to double tap to run all the goddamn time makes it even more of a chore
>due to the huge scale, enemies throw shit at you from offscreen
>get hit before you can even see the enemy
>bosses hide offscreen also

>>7387226
How is this a gameplay flaw

I just bought the castlevania anniversary and already beat the first one and now I moved onto simons quest. Why does every time I boot the game up it says “PLAYER 3”? It’s really annoying.

>>7386168
What's the difference between rondo of blood and dracula X? I don't have a ps4 so my only choice right now is dracula X on the wiiu.

>>7387895
I like Rondo too, but I honestly partially blame Hagihara for the series going to shit. A lot of Rondo's more original ideas are held back by him not getting the series' fundamentals, so you get stuff like largely flat level design that enemies can't play off of to screw with you. I'd also say it's where the series' plot and overall feel turned too anime and camp for its own good, even if I can appreciate it to an extent at times.

However, if the games made by Team Kobe and some of IGA's own efforts are to go by, I don't think what Hagihara and SoTN especially did would have fucked over the franchise like what happened if it weren't for the fandom. It might be hard to imagine since PoR is pretty popular, especially amongst the DS games, but until half a decade ago, it was one of the black sheep of the series basically just because it didn't star an overpowered white-haired pretty boy. Even fucking DoS was considered better than PoR back then. I guess it took LoS displacing their precious metroidvanias for it to finally get some love, but that's this spiteful fanbase for you. There is literally no good reason why we can't have all sorts of different vanias going on at once, but we were stuck with a dumb portion of the fandom demanding their way or no way and developers who were incompetent in one way or another and no balls to not ceaselessly capitulate.

>>7388189
1 or Chronicles, Order of Ecclesia, and probably Lords of Shadow myself. I like the action-heavy games that put care into other parts of their design.

>>7388882
A lot of CoTM's bosses tend toward being big creatures that have at least one movement pattern or attack that let's them move around the big arenas rather quickly, and at least one projectile attack. Even the first boss, Ceberus, likes to leap around and spew lasers at you, and Necromancer practically specializes in wide circle strafes and making you have to predict where his dumb rings come in.

>>7392034
What are you talking about

>>7391862
Anyone know why?

>>7386165
>>7386168
I will freely admit that Dracula X hard-filtered me by being way harder than Rondo of Blood. I knew these slick webms would appear again. Gotta ask, did the manual say that enemies don't damage you on contact when they're hurt? Does this game have hidden tech?
Honestly, I think the original Castlevania is my favorite. Even got the FDS version, though I'm kinda neutral on the save feature and finicky disk drive band.

>>7391862
>>7392064
PLEASE HELP

>>7384504
>proto-SotN exploration
branching pathways add replayability
>casual mode (the loli)
then don't play her if she triggers your pedophilia so much
>boring platforming
what's boring about it?
>OP sub-weapons
they're not OP dumbass
>forced cutscenes
ADHD-addled zoomer brain

It's not like Chronicles exists or anything

>>7392034
Always thought, "Order of Ecclesia" was the Black sheep. At least, before shit like "Castlevania Judgement" existed.

>>7384519
Uhhh ok
>Bonk
>Splatterhouse
>Soldier Blade
>Jackie Chan
FUCK

>>7392117
Personally, I hate it because it's just not fun to control. Richter is too slow, everything feels super janky and retarded. It isn't smooth but deliberate like the NES games, it's deliberately rocky

>>7388281
One of the best Games on the DS period.

>>7384443
Good music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBvOS9jdwHg