/vr/ - Retro Games

The only thing that you need to remember is that when you need the radio frequency for Meryl, the CD case item is hidden in the snow outside.

There is lots of talking.

There are lots of strange and funny Easter eggs to find, so experiment with guard behaviour. Lots of items have multiple uses, as well, so don't be afraid to do silly things like punch Meryl and immediately dive into your cardboard box, or whatever.

The Codec team will give you lots of hints about the Easter eggs and provide interesting story info, so don't neglect the Codec, especially when facing bosses and so on. Repeated Codeccing is so comprehensive that you won't even need a walkthrough if you get stuck.

The controls in MGS1 are pretty easy, though dated. L1/L2 and R1/R2 are your items and weapons menus respectively (L1 and R1 are quick equip and unequip, which is very handy to have). Square is shoot (the pistol has laser aiming), circle is punch (as well as climb ladders, etc), X is crawl and Triangle is first person view (although you can't do much in it in MGS1). A useful tip you won't get told is that if you hold down Square and then X, you can run around while aiming your pistol. This is pretty handy when facing some of the bosses, but it'll make your hands hurt like hell. The camera is fixed, and Snake's movement isn't faster if you push the analog sticks harder.

For the early levels, holding down Square behind an enemy with no weapon equipped and not holding down a direction will let Snake grab someone by the neck. Repeatedly hammering it lets him snap their neck. This is really handy when you want to remain silent.

It's mostly easy, so chill out and enjoy it. It's a great game and a great world to lose yourself in.

>>737508

140.15, checked the digital manual. Thanks for the bump though.

>>737481
I actually just played through it for the first time myself. Had the demo disk and played that over and over again and rented it a few times when it came out but never actually bought the game until recently.

Anyway, found that some parts of it aged really really well and some didn't. Either way it's a really enjoyable experience. Just beat it a few weeks ago and currently working my way through the HD collection.

You probably know, but just in case you want to play more Retro related Metal Gear you should go for the MSX2 versions of the original two games (Kojima had nothing to do with the NES ports and considers the first an embarrassment).
The original Metal Gear was translated and published in Europe and the second was fan translated years ago, so either grab an MSX emulator or play them trough the Substance/HD version of Metal Gear Solid 3.

You may want to pick up the legacy collection releasing early july, OP.

I played it for the first time a couple of months ago, and the controls are great. They don't feel "modern," per se, but they work really well.

>>737543
>Triangle is first person view (although you can't do much in it in MGS1)

Without spoiling anything, I don't think I could've gotten past a certain outdoor boss fight without it.

>>737592

Hm, I have to check what's part of that collection, I'm not that interested in 4 and beyond, perhaps once I've played 2 and 3 I'll give them a chance.

Anyways, thanks for the responses so far.

Here is some footage from the Metal Gear Solid themed racing game. Takes place in the same universe as Metal Gear and Snatcher.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJTpeJOeHOs

>>737592

Hm, I have to check what's part of that collection, I'm not that interested in 4 and beyond, perhaps once I've played 2 and 3 I'll give them a chance.

>>737590

I'm not sure if I want to go that far. As I said, it's MGS3 that I'm aiming at, and I feel like these might be too retro for me, even though I finished System Shock 1 twice.

Anyways, thanks for the responses so far.

>>737768
Just so you know, MG2 is a grand game and one of my faves in the series. Give it a try if you like 2D games at all.

>>737768
Metal Gear is no fun without a walktrough.
Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake is much better even though there are some annoying sections, MGS keeps referencing it though, playing it either directly before or after adds some value to the story of MGS.

The best 2D Metal Gear game by far is Ghost Babel

>>737841

I've watched all the briefing files and read the summaries of MG and MG2 that was included in game, hopefully that'll suffice.

I wish there were more VR missions, I'm still interested in how the shootouts play out. Yes, I know stealth approach is recommended, but since this is my first time, I imagine I'll find myself in trouble often.

>>737848
I agree, but it kind of had to be being released after Metal Gear Solid. Not taking in account the improvements that brought to the series and then 2Dfying them would have been lazy.

>>737508
You're an asshole

>>737768
legacy collection is 1, 2, 3, 4 and peacewalker which is essentially 5.

>>737841
>Metal Gear is no fun without a walktrough.
Ha ha ha what?

>>737848
i once had a dream long ago that instead of metal gear solid for playstation, it was ghost babel that was released. That would be an awesome mod or fan game or whatever. Mod would be easier as you could just reuse the assets from metal gear solid but just change the snow to green

It's weird hearing people complain about the controls being "dated" or something

They've always felt spot on to me - you can easily make snake do exactly as you wish

Just go for it, OP, and if you want to really immerse yourself in the game and you're prepared to sit through it, watch the full briefing from the main menu first (I think it's about 30 mins)

>>737848
>>737902
>>738147
I hate to be that guy that points out Ghost Babel is not canon, but I'm going to be.

That being said, I haven't played it, but if it's a fun game, then that's all that matters.

>>738180
okay? we know it's noncannon.

>>737841
Replace walktrough with actually taking notes. Because of manual radio input and plot notes, its important. Map is optional, but can be done.

>>738164
>They've always felt spot on to me - you can easily make snake do exactly as you wish
i've done two extreme runs where I only consumed 5 rations. They ARE spot on. It's all in the players abilities.

>>738140
It's just got too much unnecessary backtracking for my tastes.
MG2:SN is much better in that regard, and I played that like >>738201 suggests.

>>738136
>essentially 5
It's 4.5

The core franchise is all pretty damn good.

Only complaint is a get a little burned out on the story by the end of 4.

>>738136
That only leaves Portable Ops when it comes to the canon, and of course Metal Gear Solid V.

>>738273
I got a little burned out on the story by the end of MG2

>>737481
You need to play Metal Gear 1&2 you casual, reading about it is not enough. Reading about it instead of playing it produces more retards who think Big Boss was not a psychotic asshole.

>>738291
>implying BB was a psychotic asshole

>>738291
But big boss was only such a supervillain tier bad guy in MG cause they didn't know whether the series would take off or not, so they played it safe

there are more games where he is NOT an asshole

>>738293
The Fury 2

>>738303
>>738372
>>trained child soldiers to purposely fan the fires of war
>>only felt comfortable when he was in the battlefield
>>told Fox to kill his own girlfriend just to kill Snake
>>his greatest dream was to see the world be engulfed in a never ending war so that soldiers and weapons researches would never feel betrayed by society

No he was a psychotic asshole

>>m-m-m-muh MGS4

A retcon and slap to the face to the fans of what started it all. Hopefully MGSV at least makes it so he goes insane like he did in MG1&2 and doesn't completely retcon the guy.

>>738392
>muh MGS3
>muh Peace Walker
>muh MGS1
>muh MGS2

>>738397
>>Muh MGS3

He was a rookie who saw how fucked up his government was

>>Muh Peace Walker

He was defecting

>>Muh MGS1 and 2

He is only seen as a good guy by "Damaged Goods Mc Backstabs Alot", and I have a "Hard On for my Father Snake".

>>738410
What about Wolf?

>>738413
Oh right, totally forgot about Damaged Goods Yiff Edition.

>>738410
MGS1 2 3 4 and PW all give BB reasons, motives, and emotions behind the things that he did. Even in MG1 and 2, there's at least some things that tell you he's not a soulless villain.

>>738445
I never said he's a soulless villain, but to claim he wasn't a psychopath who loved war is asinine. Until Kojima completely retcons the man and shits on him even more like he did in MGS4 you can't make such a claim.

If you don't agree You are still a OK guy

>>738291

> Reading about it instead of playing it produces more retards who think Big Boss was not a psychotic asshole.

This is something I hope they explore more deeply in Phantom Pain. I really want Big Boss' character to slowly shift to somebody everyone considers a hero, to a person who has succumbed to years of moral decay and has reached a breaking point misinterpreting The Boss' last will.

Because by MG2, he was just a mad dog needing to be put down.

>>737481

>to recognise the characters/events.

This is very important, especially for 2, but unfortunately this game heavily references the second MSX game at times.

>>738417
>>738413
Is it safe to assume she was one of said Child Soldiers/

>>738551
Yes, one could say that's why she's so infatuated with killing in the first place.

>>738453
even if he was it's not exactly his fault. he got fucked up by his government and having to kill what is basically his mom. naked snake had a hard life

>>738397
>>738410
I think we'll have to wait 'til 5 to really know the answer.

Both Zero and Big Boss are well intentioned assholes who didn't understand the bosses will. Solid Snake is the real hero because he was like the boss, followed the mission even when it meant killing himself in order to save others, just like the Boss did. Except they changed the ending because Snake dying was oh so sad.

>>738603
That's not an excuse what so ever, Solid had a hard life too and he never took it out on the world like Naked did. Even during Solid's lowest points all he did was become a drunkard 3 times. While becoming a drunkard he entered two relationships during the last two times he was an alcoholic, one which was hinted to be a SPECTACULAR failure. Then when accelerated aging caught up to him he became a nihilist for a while.

>>738631
It kind of is an excuse. Wouldn't anyone be fucked up by going through that shit? Snake was just more willful than Biggu-Bossu (extraordinarily willful, at that).

>>738738

Which is why Solid Snake is the true son of the Boss.

>>738459
>Liking The Twin Snakes that much
I... I thought I was the only one...

>>738762
Something we agree on.

>>738773
No, you are not the only one. I Can't believe that people still think that its bad

>>738773
Nope, I think its great, although i think big shell is kind of ugly

>>738278
sure, but portable ops isn't necessary

>>738631
where's this information on Snake's relationships coming from? I'm really curious, I didn't know about this

>>737481
you can't walk

Don't forget to save often.
There are no continues, my friend.

>>738996
What?

>>738819
At the end of MG2 he hooks up with this woman he meets. In MGS1 they mention they found him drunk as fuck and had to practically force him out of retirement. In MGS4 Meryl hints at the spectacular failure their relationship was in Alaska.

>>739252
Don't forget the second time they found him drunk it was also in Alaska. Snake really loves that place apparently.

>>738792

Dats Sons of Liberty (My fave)

>>738459
>>738773
>>738785
>>738792
I've played MGS but not Twin Snakes, why do people think TS is bad? All I've been able to gather is that people didn't like the new cutscenes or something, and maybe something with the controls.

>>737508
>>737558
How in the actual dick did people figure that out back then? Without the internets and such. Was that a ploy to sell game guides? I didnt play it the first time around, I was N64.

>>739471
>why do people think TS is bad
I dont, I liked it. But, MGS was not designed for FPS, like in teh ocelot fight. In the old one it was a top down fight in 3rd person. In TS you can just aim down the sights and fill ocelot full of .45acp. Or when running up the stairs on teh towers, now you can just stop and pick people off a few flights up before they get to you.
And the matrix style action in teh cutscenes was fucking stupid. Like him kicking chunks of concrete at the hind to take it out. Why?

>>740606
They also retranslated some of the dialogue and made it sound shit. Most of the music during the cutscenes was changed for the worse too.

"He prayed for death, and it found him" got changed into "When death is entreated, the battle is decided" which just sounds like the most flowery trying-too-hard line ever.

>>740587
i don't know about the digital version now, but it was pretty obvious then; the colonel himself directly told you to check the back of the CD case. so whether or not you spent hours looking for some CD case through every nook and cranny you got access to, you'll eventually figure out that conversation just broke the fourth wall. unless you're a dumbass.

also, friends. unless you're home schooled or all your friends are idiots as well.

It's not that great. Low framerate (although not as bad as most N64 games), lots of backtracking, no proper first-person view.

The Twin Snakes remake is better. Or just watch Escape From New York.

>>740587

It doesn't really matter. I played it on an emulator, and when he said to look at the CD case, I wasn't sure, so I just started putting in codec numbers starting from 140.00 up. It doesn't matter anyway, you find Meryl after 15 tries, so even if you didn't know how to do it, trail and error isn't that hard.

>>739291
He's a musher!

>>740767
>Low framerate
Like everyone was going all "gee, I wish I could enjoy this game but the framerate is just so low" back in the day.
This is the worst argument ever on why you shouldn't play what is generally considered an AAA title on a retro image board. It's almost as bad as filter and scanlines arguments (because clearly that's the number one factor in your enjoyment of the game).

>>737767

This game is complete shit though. It doesn't matter that Solid Snake is a drivable vehicle. Cool part of the universe and franchise but a shit game.

>>740587
>trail and error

Go home, Ricky.

>low framerate
really? I thought it was remarkably smooth

The cut scenes are looooooong