/vr/ - Retro Games

I was playing King of Dragons but I took a break. I could get to the royal guard on a good run. Now I am playing River City Ransom even though it is a jarpig for plebs and I just got into the high school so I think it's almost over.

>>7356223
looks like an eatemup

My favorite streamer said IGS bmups were the best games ever so I think so too. I never played one btw.

What cave game is best for picking up asian milfs

>>7356274
t. bought all audio equipment he was told to by a youtuber
t. muh japon
t. downloaded opinions on games and film
t. buys toy and tweets it for validation
t. scared of road
t. mail order bride

>>7356268
beat 'em and eat 'em

rob n sam bros... it's just too easy...

>>7356294
HAHAH

please don't tell me robs gurf is both thai and a single mum

>>7356367
>tfw clast will never be your stepdad
why live

>>7356223
KoV1 isn't even hard, go for it

>>7356268
we always called them smack 'n' snacks

anyone got any beat 'em up recommendations for someone who doesn't like beat 'em ups?

>>7356274
Igs must have been the Chinese company that Japanese companies hired in the 1990s

>>7356665
any rpg beat 'em up like River City Ransom
have fun grinding, jarpig

>>7356665
The Bouncer

>>7356665
Battletoads

>>7356689
i dislike beat em' ups because they often have repetitive gameplay, not because i particularly like jrpg's' gameplay.
i'm looking to prove my bias against beat 'em ups wrong.

>>7356719
They feel less repetitive if you play a challenging one and actually have to react to what's going on. King of Dragons basically has one move and it doesn't feel too repetitive to me because the enemy/crowd/boss design keeps it fun. If you want some kind of combo system so you're not "just mashing one button", there's Sengoku 3, or a modern game like Streets of Rage 4, Fight 'n' Rage, Ninja Warriors Return Again

>shmupg, noone talks about shmups
>bmupg, people talk about bmups
imagine me shock lads...

>>7356719
Repetitive in the sense that you suck and just credit-feed like a retard without any sort of strategy? try learning some game before talking shit m8
>>7356689
Was playing a bit of Shodai Kunio-Kun recently which is like RCR for the SFC, it's kind of interesting but definitely too jarpiggy to me. Technos always had interesting ideas for beat 'em ups but ultimetaly their games just weren't as good as Capcom ones.

>>7356665
aye mate i got you covered, take a gander at the definitive bmup tier list, pick from the top

Play Crime Fighters 2, niggas.

>>7356823
This almost looks like it could be somebody's real opinion but then you put Burning Fight all the way up there

>>7356831
burning fight is peak mate, all killer no filler

>>7356223
I remember playing Fighting Force on the N64 as a kid because Streets of Rage series was my favorite. I thought it was pretty cool.

I popped in Fighting Force 2 on the Dreamcast emulator I have.. wtf? Was I retarded or is this second one a glitchfest and a shit beat em up? The aiming and hitboxes are ridiculous.

>>7356864
I liked Fighting Force as a kid but never for into the second one, I guess even back then I realized it was shit

>>7356823
>SoR4
Didn't they dumb it the fuck down with the newer updates?

new to genre. tried SoR4. feels too stiff. cant get used to it.
plus moving up/down the screen looks/feels weird.
what should i play instead?

>>7356827
I've 1cc'd it. It's top 3 for me.

>>7357101
stage 9 got easier, stage 12 got harder, and they removed most or all of the infinite combos that trivialized bosses (the only dangerous one is on stage 7 anyway)
overall it's an improvement

>>7357107
sengoku 3

>>7357107
Get a better pc to run it properly. But then you'd need to get a job oof since mum won't spot you extra allowance

What's your favorite beat 'em up in terms of gameplay, particularly enemy and stage design?

>>7357202
what?

>>7357210
God Hand is the funnest one i've played desu, blows away any sprite-based jab 'n jog.

>>7357257
sup banana

>>7357210
Stop worrying about what others think and like and forcing fake discussions with these dumb questions lol

But anyways
SoR4 it's great because not retro arcade trash
Retro cade games are poverty tier in general only good for nostalgia and eating quarters

>>7356823
>
>>7356823

how tf is burning fight an A? The hit detection is shit

>>7357257
>Over an hour of gameplay

No

>>7357302
this, fuck off with that gay shit

>>7357265
double digit iq post

>>7357290
It's a meme list made by a youtuber who has the worst taste in music and gaming but manages to get fast 1ccs somehow

>>7356358

>standard fighter but you can tear of limbs to eat and regain health

>pussy eating bonus stages, not literally but all the ladies are chunky bloody

>fund it

Is turtles in time as good now as it was when I was 10? Still got the game and box in the attic.

>>7357357

No, Turtles in Time is not actually a very good beat em up.

>>7357360

This, the arcade version is superior. Play it on MAME. The first game is better

>>7357357
SNES version is fine, not amazing but solid simple beat 'em up.
>>7357369
>the arcade version is superior
nope, it looks better but the combat is a mess.

>>7357357
it's pretty good for as much as /vr/ tryhards bash it, one move kinda runs 90% of the game though

>>7357101
>>7357170
>Didn't they dumb it the fuck down with the newer updates?
I haven't played it since the update but every complaint about this game is always so retarded and spergy I have to assume they improved it

>>7357118
Really fun in co-op mode.

>>7357257
yeah God hand perfectly describes your sex life matic

>>7357107
sor3, way less stiff, more movement etc

>>7356823
this looks like the kinda list someone with a thai mail order bride would make

>>7357290
its a rob list and all his bmup play is mindless copycatting replay burners, he plays with no style at all, robot sperg play

>>7358363

who is rob?

>>7358578
A tall, skilled gamer with a life and full head of hair, exact opposite of chav

>>7358363

>>7358597
>>7358597

does he have a youtube channel

>>7356823
>DnD games that low
>Burning Fight that high

>>7358681

I know right, I was sort of taking it seriously until I saw that.

>>7358681
burning fight is so much better than onion'd out bmups, holy shit brah redpill yourself asap

What's the op game?

>>7356719
>
>>7356719

They're repetitive because you're credit feeding and have no idea what you're doing, you're just mashing punch and moving to the right

I finished River City Ransom, the final boss was easy and the ending sucked but the theme music kicking in when you fight the twins was pretty great.

>>7358730
Warriors of Fate, it is a really fun one where you ride a horse and chop people in half

>7+ games to garner fans of bmup gameplay
>all mogged by one fullblown jarpig installment
ricky was right bros...

>>7359454
Where are those strikers 2-all's again? Liars are never right

>>7358689
its not without its charm, it might seem a little barebones mechanically in comparison to some of capcoms output but its overall presentation (setting, music and enemy design) is top tier.

>>7359454
Not surprising, Yakuza fans don't play the games for the gameplay but for the storyline, cinematics, atmosphere, etc. - similar to Metal Gear Solid which has laughably poor stealth gameplay yet normalcattle eat it up anyway.

>>7356223
Nah, ill take metal slug and sunset riders any day over boredemups.

>>7356665
Streets of Rage 2 is pretty easy and is the absolute best game in the entire genre. Highest recommendation.

>>7358689
tower of doom owns bitch

>>7356223
It's clearly Trio the Punch and you're lying if you say it's not.

>>7360279
learn how to 1cc arcade bmups and you'll never be able to go back to shites of rage and will see all its abysmal flaws, the only thing good about it is the music. It's clunky, overlong, eats inputs on higher modes, has absolutely no balancing so they just chucked lives at you like candy to get around it on higher difficulties, and teaches you bad habits whilst starving you of having to learn proper skills which are necessary to 1cc arcade bmups. It's passable by console standards and nothing more, can't hold a candle to the top 15 arcade bmups.

>chav talking about video games
oof, covert soi

>>7360454
it's okay as long as pasky likes them

>>7360470
but pasky likes cave shmups
oooooooooooooooooooooof

>>7360494
Pasky.torrent Status: Paused

your efforts will never work, this is MY zone and we will NEVER discuss boring fucking bmup SHITE

EVER

>>7360434
>top 15 arcade bmups
which would be...?

>>7360528
see >>7356823

Dark Souls is a bmup

>>7360454
am i? where? been watching the masters darts tourney all day

and thats yet ANOTHER term i made up.

>>7360592
yes please, talk about rpg bmups only from now on. let's just be honest with ourselves

I really, really like Golden Axe

>>7360434
it does its own thing really well though. Not every game has to adhere to the conventions Capcom set with final fight.

>>7360279
I adore SoR2, but it's not even the best SoR game.

>invented capital letters
>created new bmx and juggling moves nobody else has learned
>coined the term "soi"
what will he think of next chavbros

>>7360639
its own thing is being so poorly balanced and designed they just give you a total of 14? or something lives for mania so they dont have to tune it or balance properly and has retard a.i.

>>7361094
hello, you seem to be lost. this is /bmupg/, not /shmupg/.

>>7361102
>hurr de durr Nightmare difficulty is bullshit in DOOM therefore the game is shit

Also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krJXKpZ83wM
I guess you just need to git gud

>>7361176
destroyed

>>7360639
I'd agree about this if SoR2's conventions weren't shit, SoR3 is better balanced overall, just a bit too loong.

>>7361207
if an arcade game goes longer than 30 minutes, it's too long

>>7356823
I dont read moon, what are the two in S

>>7361719
bretty soldier sailor moon and tenchi wo kurau II (warriors of fate if you aren't a turbo weeb like clast)

>>7361737
what makes WoF so much better than capcom's other beat em ups?

>>7361176
>1cc!!
>18 lives to do it

yeah k then.

antho 1 lifed it but go look at what it takes, it clearly was never designed that way.

>>7360629
same

>>7361176
>>hurr de durr Nightmare difficulty is bullshit in DOOM therefore the game is shit
honestly I think SoR2 is a better game if you don't turn the difficulty up or think of Mania as "default". it would still be nicer if any of your attacks actually worked properly and your walk speed wasn't shit but hey.

>>7362315
inputs for throw directions vary depending on character so I end up back throwing guys I meant to forward throw or whatever, plus special inputs are so lenient I do them on accident five times more often than on purpose. so you see it's got some great added challenges to make it more exciting.

>>7362315

literally nothing. its just some guys opinion who was hype he could ride a horsey in the game

>>7363117
well knights of the round also has a horsey so wtf

Zero team was very impressive considering the year it came out.

Don't now why they bothered with the effort of having the vertical jump animations but it looks cool

>>7362315
it's their most well balanced game with no broken shit, amazing presentation, and a solid difficulty level (tho still on the easy side), and it has a good variety of characters to use

all of their other games have more severe flaws

how do you feel about Renegade/Kunio-kun

lads why do pasky and marty hate eachother. and why does pasky have breakdowns

>>7363834
i love pasky i think hes a good dude but there's some issues going on to, thats as far as im going without him being present.

>>7363724
proper mental gaming init. way better than i thought it would be, still really fun. they fucked the balance up in renegdate tho, typical waito piggus.

>>7364185
>renegdate
renegade

>>7363470
>(tho still on the easy side),
everybody says every Capcom game except Final Fight is "still on the easy side" but I'll level with you man they are hard for me

>>7364483
Only punisher and king of dragons are kind of easy, the rest require a decent amount of time to learn

>>7363724
Now that the dust has settled, it aged better than the original Double Dragon.

>>7364185
Is Renegdate harder than Kunio or easier?

>>7363170
its not just the horsey, there's alot of variety in the gameplay. Great game that can be approached with heaps of different techniques/styles.
I'm curious as to why Sailor Moon is ranked along side it, i know the graphics are legit beautiful but i'm not convinced the gameplay reaches the same heights.

>>7364625
cus the l;ist was done by fucking rob and he's a total weeb, stop taking it seriously.

>>7364625
>>7364698
make your own lists

I'm gonna make it bitch just wait and see

>>7364698
sometimes its important to ascertain a negro's sense of aesthetics to see if they are (you)r ((my)) nigger.
>>7364970
i know what i like already though, why do i need a list to remind myself

>>7365020
to give guidance to people unfamiliar with the genre.

>>7364984
dew it faggot

>>7365020
>sometimes its important to ascertain a negro's sense of aesthetics to see if they are (you)r ((my)) nigger.
What the fuck is this sentence m8

>>7365185
translation:
I like to know what other people like to see if they like the same things

>>7356823
I'm assuming this list isn't a troll, so how could anyone put burning fight and sengoku 3 as A-tier.
Burning Fight is fun for what it is and a great OST but some serious hitbox issues especially against the fat guys and the Dolph Lundgren look alike.
Sengoku 3 is maybe the most boring beat em up of all time, and only remembered by people who wow at the graphics. There's virtually no enemy variation. I don't understand the praise this game gets.

>>7366156
lmfao

it's not a troll, its just rob/clast

>>7366156
>serious hitbox issues
cope
>and only remembered by people who wow at the graphics
what the fuck, sengoku 3 has the ugliest backgrounds i've ever seen. it's great because the combat is mad good with lots of combos and special attacks, and it has lots of characters to use. it's like an IGS game without all of the onions that make IGS games shite.

>>7367248
Cope with what?

>>7366156
>>7366156

This anon is right, the hit detection is totally fucked. He probably put it so high because 'wow you can go in places!!' but the actual gameplay isn't all that good.

>>7367248
>>7367248

Sengoku 3 is the opposite, great gameplay wise but the backgrounds are lame and the whole thing is a slog to get through.

>>7367278
>but the actual gameplay isn't all that good.
it is though. it has a good level of challenge, almost every screen can be dangerous. and the game has no filler, it's less than 30 minutes long and is fun start to finish.

hitbox issues? just practice more bro

>>7367304

I mean I agree its pretty tight as a game, but I can't forgive the hit detection, its very bad. Why would I practice more when I can play a better game with good hit detection?

not only that but the final boss is incredibly underwhelming, as is the ending. Like, they give you nothing lmao its literally just game over

>>7367269
yeah thats another rob trait, just machine gun respond "cope" but doesn't seem to know what the word means,

What do we think about Mother Russia Bleeds? Seems to get alot of hate but I enjoyed it even if only two of the four characters were fun to play.

>>7367881
Maybe I fucked up by only picking one character (bald guy) but it seemed appallingly shit to me, only played like half of it tho. iirc you get a better score for using different moves which just seems like the devs knowing that they fucked up and pleading with you to not just spam the same move over and over again.

still better than Coffee Crisis... glad you enjoyed your video game but I did not care for it

>>7367792
seething

what are some of the better neo geo beat em ups? I've played all the sengoku games, burning fight, and robo army.

>>7367994
Eightman is cool

>>7367994
neos actually weak for bmups, mutation nation is considered one of the best alng with sengoku 3 and its still kinda shit

It's quite unfortunate we never had a bmup using the samsho lore. Would have been so good to be able to slice through ennemies with Genjuro.

>>7356223
Anyone found Dungeons & Dragons Shadow over Mystara? I have been trying to find this gmaae eve since the Super Best Friends had it, hell when I downloaded GGPO I saw the fucking game on the list but I never got around to downloading the ROM as proper

>>7369682
here ya go, bro

https://www.planetemu.net/rom/mame-roms/ddsom

>>7358689
Yooooo Towers of Doom is from the same localization and dev team as SoM! Holy fuck where do I even get it? GGPO literally gave me blueballs cuz I couldn't find a downloable file

>>7369696
Bro, you fuck! Goddamn thanks!

I played the shit out of final fight when I was younger. I used to draw the characters and shit too

Let's thank Treasure for giving us the greatest beat 'em up of all time.

>>7369951
You posted the wrong Treasure beat em up.

>>7369951
Treasure makes really great games in general. Even their licensed McDonald's game is good.

Treasure made th e best beat em ups, platformers, rail shooters, and shmups. What happened to them?

>>7370102
Same thing that happened to Valve, I guess...
They ran out of steam.

What is the appeal of these games exactly? Every time I try to play one I get bored from the repetition in a few minutes tops

>>7370158
these are the responses i was given upon saying something similar, if that helps at all.
>>7356730
>>7356762
>>7358815

>>7370158
the repetition is entirely you, if you learn how to actually play them and realise how much freedom you have to play in your own style you'll realise they are anything but repetitive.

>>7370158

Probably because you're playing mindlessly from credit-feeding. Limit how many credits you use, you'll see that you'll start to see the game differently because you'll have to actually employ strategy to get far.

>>7367994
You already played them.

>>7370158
Because almost all of them are shallow and were only fun with friends in short bursts on real arcade hardware. Play Battletoads or Double Dragon 2 on nes if you want some good single player that holds up. They're both legitimately good games that have you doing more than crowd controlling boring AI

>>7371307
What is there to learn exactly? Punch punch punch. Walk punch. Jump attack. Such complex wow I can develop such a unique style here
>>7371413
I mean the strategy is "hit stuff and don't get hit" lol it's not like some deep tactical challenge
>>7371432
Even when I play one at my local arcade I get bored by the second stage frankly

>>7371479

Well I see that you have the gameplay all figured out then, so you shouldn't have a problem 1cc'ing Final Fight or Alien vs. Predator, would love to see your replay.

>>7371432

You're just bad at them

>>7371567
>clear these games you find boring just to clear them and prove something to strangers
The shmup mindset, grind away at boring games - now that is a challenge.

>>7371579
well if you bitch about a genre in a thread specifically about said genre then you are going to get people recommending you their favourites, one way or another.

>>7371479
another dumb jarpig thinking his trash opinion matter

>herding waves of stupid mooks and cheesing bosses
It's understandable why most solid, intelligent gamers don't find barf 'em ups engaging to be honest

>>7371602
The one in OPs' pic is particularly boring because of the length and way too many enemies per screen feels tedious even when your run is good

>>7371579
At least beat em ups are more active and sometimes use combos and techs, unlike shmups being mostly passive and reactive autofire auto scrollers Zzzzzzzzz.....

>the best beam em up of all time is a licensed GBA game
damn

>>7371579
>>7371579

Yeah, that's what I thought.

>>7371602
if they are so stupid then why they anally devastate you
>>7371612
fucking retard the whole point of both genres is movement not flashy combo shit, it's even more important in shmups

>>7371620
>movement
>the whole point is plane shifting constantly to screw up the retarded AI
Lmao whole genre is total shite

>>7371629
>single player arcade game mode
>surprise it's full of jank and cheese
Arcade games only had multiplayer value, every single player game was a cope for shitters.

>>7371629

>haha yeah its GARBAGE unlike microsoft excel spreadsheet friend simulator and jumping cartoon man goes right!!

>>7371629
that depends on the game, but why bother your brain is already rotten by jarpig addiction

>>7371636
t. sad lonely shitter who pretended enjoying fighting games for muh (((community)))

/vr/ jarpiglets seething at arcade games right now in this ITT. More news at 11.

>>7371629
Barf em ups and shmups have some value for their music and spectacle, just don't expect deep or unpredictable gameplay.

>>7371629
>choose attack in the menu
>do it 15 times
>win the fight
NOW that's a game

>>7371662
>punching at imaginary rpg opponents
Iol at this desperation

>>7371656
It's ridiculous how insecure they are, I'm playing a jarpig right now after not touching one in like a decade just for curiosity, and it's ridiculous how braindead yet time consuming they are, I could play and learn a bunch of action games in that time and have way more fun.

>>7371662
>cast water magic on fire enemy

Rpgs bmups shmups
The trifecta of boring repetitive games

>>7371670
Literally the the same as bmups. It seems retarded but if you want to succeed you have to emplot strategy. In rpgs the retarded grind, and in bmups the retarded credit feed.
If you want to enjoy some games you have to think.

>>7371657

Honestly, wtf does this even mean? Shmups like Battle Garegga are deeper than literally anything in the jarpig/jumping man genre, beat em ups are deep in the sense of having to know how enemies move and react and in turn knowing what to do to counter, etc. even if there's only a punch and a jump button. They're just shallow and dumb to you because you've never really engaged the genre, what would you consider a 'deep' game? Link to the past?

>>7371685
Even without grinding most jarpigs are braindead shit and don't even compare to good action games, the only ones I have think are sort of ok are tactical ones with no grinding and limited resources.

>last ditch effort
>appeals to gayregga a shmup he never plays
Lmfao

>>7371669
FF7 is ur fav gam dont lie.

>>7371697
also creditfeeding a beat 'em up takes just under an hour, it's not comparable to 30-40 hours of braindead jarpg shit

>replying to yourself
Must be seeeeeething

>>7371567
Why would I waste my time playing through a game I find boring and repetitive just to soothe some internet rando's hurt feelings lol
This isn't the counterargument you think it is
>>7371594
I don't even play rpgs lol

played some guardian heroes for the first time the other day with my roommate, shit was a blast
the fighting game-like inputs are fucking sick
anything else similar to this?

>>7371902
>>7371902

The only way my so-called hurt feelings would be soothed would be to watch you fail, confirming my original point that beat em ups require strategy and aren't the simplistic games you're making them out to be, so you're telling me that you already know you will get your ass handed to you? Thanks for proving my point.

>>7372519
>herd mooks using same plane shifting strats each run
>cheese boss with brain dead loop he can't counter
>hit enemies off screen
>infinite punch
fuck off with this brain-dead shite genre lol

>>7371701

>last ditch effort
Maybe in your own mind, I play garegga almost everyday but even if I didn't the point still stands. You haven't engaged anything I said

>>7372526

That's all you've got left I guess huh?

>>7371914

You might like Sengoku 3, also has fighting game inputs, or maybe Panzer Bandit on PSX

>>7372545
>no rebuttal
Guess he won with that one simple and honest post.

>>7372535
>I play garegga almost everyday but even if I didn't the point still stands
post your almost daily replays right now else you're #1 a poser #2 lying #3 I win the argument (again) #4 garegga is not the norm for shmups but lets not even go there since it's such a boring ugly and jank game

>>7370176
that guy is baiting rather than genuinely wondering so the only thing that would really help him is to reply angrily, tell him to cope/seethe etc

I used to troll these threads, then the dumb arcade boomers somehow got into my mind and I 1cc'd Golden Axe and Captain Commando and Ninja Saviors :( that is the danger one runs by shitposting too hard

>>7372607
No, I am indeed genuinely wondering. Aside from the novelty of beating stuff up as a ninja turtle or Homer Simpson, which wears off pretty quickly, I frankly can't see the appeal - at least not enough to have a beat-em-up general
I'd hoped that people around here would clue me in on something I might be missing but all I got instead was salt and vague allusions to "deep strategy" that nobody seems to be able to explain or even provide an example of. Guess I'm not missing anything, and what you see is what you get with this genre

>>7372571

It's starting off with an incredibly retarded premise that all beat em ups are the same and require the same strategies to win, but I guess you needed that spelled out for you. Beat em ups are no more 'braindead' than any other action genre like run and guns and platformers or JRPG's.

>>7372640

Have you considered the fact that you just don't like them? There's plenty of strategy that's involved, you were given some constructive advice like limiting credit feeding, that will naturally make you play in a different way to conserve lives and such.

It's entirely possible you just find them boring, if so fine just play something else.

>>7372720
>There's plenty of strategy that's involved
Such as? People keep vaguely waving their hands at this yet can't actually seem to articulate even a single example.
>you were given some constructive advice like limiting credit feeding
Which is based on a false premise - I never make it to the end of one credit before getting bored. Like, I try to approach any arcade game as if I were back in the 90s, parting with actual money per play - it's not like I just hold right and mash attack. I do my best to play conservatively

>>7372720
It's nnot about what I like. The pointing is they are objectively boring and simple minded game

>>7372759

It seems to me you just don't enjoy them, which is fine, just play another genre. I'm on my phone its really late where I live but I'm sure another anon that enjoys the genre can give you something more in depth. Beat em ups are not chess, but they're also not mindless, execution is also a big part. Are you breezing through the games? You can also probably find guides and things online and on YouTube.

Rate SNK beat 'em ups.

>>7372759
The best beat 'em ups will require you to avoid enemy attack patterns while finding the right opportunities to attack. Think of Dark Souls, which itself is a beat 'em up.
Failing that, the basic skill required for all beat 'em ups is field management: picking the right times to pick up items, making sure that you're not going to be attacked from behind while executing a combo, and picking the right order to defeat enemies.
I recommend Battle Circuit and Metal Warriors, because both of those games have varied enemy designs and fun aesthetics beyond just fist-fighting street gangs. Capcom is pretty much the best at making beat 'em ups.
Treasure also makes some great ones. Try Guardian Heroes and Wario World.

>>7372818

What would you consider a deep game anon? A specific example.

>>7372759
>Such as? People keep vaguely waving their hands at this yet can't actually seem to articulate even a single example.
What game do you want examples for? My expertise is in Final Fight and The Punisher. No two games play the same.

>>7372830
robo army is the best one because it has mecha in it.

>>7372831

Well said, this anon knows what's up. I'm going to sleep, he's in charge now.

>>7372640
>No, I am indeed genuinely wondering.
doubt

>>7372759
>Such as? People keep vaguely waving their hands at this yet can't actually seem to articulate even a single example.
It's equally difficult to articulate how Pac-man isn't just running away from ghosts and Tetris isn't just rotating the same 8 shapes and racing games aren't just going in circles etc etc etc. The fact that it's so much easier to see it for yourself is one reason why it's magnificently retarded to argue with speds who don't know and don't really want to know. I'm not *that* insecure about the children's toys I enjoy the most. Please shit in another thread, or at least wait longer between dumps so as to not disrupt actual discussion. That's a small ask. Thanks in advance.

Is Shadow Force peak Technos?

>>7372640
you are just autistic

>>7372880
>It's equally difficult to articulate how Pac-man isn't just running away from ghosts and Tetris isn't just rotating the same 8 shapes and racing games aren't just going in circles etc
This, yet autismo-kun still insist in these retarded fallacies.

>>7371683
swap bmups out with platformers / hop 'n bops / bing bing yahoo and you'd be spot on.

>>7373237
your hatred of platformers makes no sense. platformers have some of the most varied level design of any genre.

>>7372831
I mean to be fair that was all stuff I could already see in the gameplay. Like, not trying to troll anyone here, that just seems like some pretty basic stuff
>>7372837
Whichever really. I'm honestly hoping someone can clue me in on something exciting that I can't glean from just trying to play the games as best I can
>>7372880
None of that stuff is particularly hard to articulate tho
Like for Pac-Man, you say a few things about AI behavior and optimal routing, for a racing game you talk about smooth lines that maximize speed, etc.
Idk why this all makes you so hostile but I'm not gonna stop posting just because you have some personal problem with it. I sincerely want to know the appeal of these games, I just don't see it, and thus far very little has been said beyond vague handwaving at "strategy", which at last expansion just seems to be basic common sense

>>7373269
>I sincerely want to know the appeal of these game
Doubt, you'd be playing them instead of just attention whoring here.

>>7373269
Please just open up MAME and play one.
Like, I don't know, Metamorphic Force.
That one is pretty accessible.

>>7373262
nah they're soi shite, level design is always the same for every run so all it takes to git gud is a bit of memorisation which is why the genre attracts so many autists/speedtranners.

>>7373296
i take it you only play roguelikes, then.

>>7373282
I've played a lot of them lol I've been pretty clear about that. At no point did I see anything in the gameplay that kept me interested for more than ten minutes tops
Like I get that you're autistic and everything so hyperfocusing on tedious things isn't a big deal for you but most of us normal folk don't force ourselves to stick with something that lacks appeal in the hopes that something will suddenly click. It's more efficient to ask people who openly enjoy the games what, if anything, I'm missing lol
>>7373292
Dude I have. All the big names (FF, X-men, Simpsons, Streets of Rage, etc.) and a few of the weird ones like that Capcom robot brawler that Jin is from. And I'll try the one you just mentioned too. I just don't see why there's so much enthusiasm for them, and I have no reason to believe any of the recommendations here will change that either lol

>>7373368
>X-men, Simpsons, Streets of Rage
Those games are, from what I can tell, kind of mediocre as far as beat 'em ups go.

>>7373368
Are you credit feeding or actually attempting to learn the game? Legit question. Because of course Final Fight seems boring if you're going to give yourself 99 credits, walk forward, and press the attack button until everything dies.

>>7373368
The basic strategy in most bmups is to make sure enemies are kept to one side of the screen, making use of pits to down multiple of them at a time, using throws for crowd control etc.

why does Sodom keep sodomizing me bros

>>7373423
Oh and also

Double Dragon Advance is awesome as hell.

>>7373427
*also diagonally approach enemies so they are less prompted to interrupt you.

>>7373424
How are you trying to fight him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LutDI2ec2fI

>>7373421
I've never even exhausted a single credit before I get bored and do something more interesting. Like I said before, I'm not playing mindlessly, I do try to play the best I can and not die. It just gets old pretty quick
>>7373423
Yeah, I picked that up from just trying to play well. Frankly it just seems like common sense

>>7373303
bmups have enough random-ness for me to be fun upon multiple playthroughs, same can't be said of predictable af platformers.

>>7373451
holy shitte that guy is in street fighter

>>7373467
Assuming you're actively trying to play the games and not just credit feed as you've stated here, I'm just going to say that this probably isn't the genre for you. That's fine. There are a lot of genres I don't really touch either.

>>7373368
>I've played a lot of them lol I've been pretty clear about that
creditfeeding a bunch of mame games means nothing, shiteater
>and everything so hyperfocusing on tedious things isn't a big deal
it's not tedious, playing shit like visual novels or jarpigs is tedious
>but most of us normal folk don't force ourselves to stick with something that lacks appeal
If the genre doesn't appeal to you then just get out, retarded attention whore.

>>7373467
>Yeah, I picked that up from just trying to play well. Frankly it just seems like common sense

lolok man

>>7373467
>I've never even exhausted a single credit before I get bored and do something more interesting.

That literally means you only play a few minutes

>>7373473
Yeah that may be the case. I was hoping there was just something I was missing
>>7373521
I've made it very clear I'm not credit feeding lol are you still learning how to read?
>>7373563
I mean seriously if most of this stuff doesn't seem like common sense to you then you might actually be retarded or something lol
Bunching enemies up in a crowd so you can keep them all in hitstun at once, throwing one dude into a crowd to knock them all down, not getting surrounded, picking up health when it's most useful - like you have to be kinda fucked in the head to not catch on to these things quickly
>>7373571
Usually 15 to 20 before I get bored, well more than anybody with sense would characterize as "a few" lol. Are you seriously so trash at these games that you go through a credit that quickly? They're not even that hard anon

>>7373608
Nobody's going to believe first time you're playing Final Fight you're going to survive on a single credit very long mate, just stop embarrassing yourself.

>>7373608
It's not about retarded or not, it's just not the way most people people play them first time around, especially since they don't know what's optimal or not and what's coming up, how enemies behave etc. Why don't you show of some footage of you playing so we can verify your elite skillz?

>>7373618
When did I say anything about first time? I've been playing arcade games since we actually still had arcades in America lol I've given the genre enough tries to know how not to get immediately wrecked in these games
Even still, like, final fight is really not that hard. You're telling me you're so bad at the genre you ostensibly love so much that you go through a whole credit that fast
>>7373625
Man y'all dudes in this thread are all about making wild assumptions huh? Based on exactly zero evidence you guys immediately jump to the conclusion that someone who doesn't love these games must be a first-timer who credit-feeds
Is the apparent weakness of your collective critical thinking skills part of why you guys don't get bored of such simple, repetitive games?

>>7373705
Still waiting for the video

>>7373705
This isn't your blog fag I don't give a fuck who you are. It's pretty easy to assume you're a first timer when the only games you can mention are "big ones" like the fucking Simpsons and Final Fight.

>ya'll
>randomnly ending sentences with "lol"

If you're an oldfag you sure type like a teen-year old Twitter addict.

>>7373705
not only an attention whore but a pretentious shit player, stop embarrassing yourself

Guardians: Denjin Makai II is the best bmup ever. Don't reply me.

End of discussion.

>>7373773
i reply you anyway faggot
it's fun but has its flaws

>>7373757
You can be as deluded as you want to be lmfao
>>7373768
Lol damn you autists are mad as hell

>>7373779
not mad, just babysitting retards

>>7373705
Stream your final fight 1cc live if you're so great

>>7373793
I mean you're pretty clearly mad lol

>>7371689
>what would you consider a 'deep' game? Link to the past?
Compared to standard beat 'em ups it's the Marianas Trench

I really, really like Golden Axe lads

>>7373776
that one hasn't clicked with me yet.
Seems like it has a pretty deep moveset but i can't quite seem to get a feel for how it should all flow.
Perhaps i've been too indoctrinated by the conventions of Capcoms beat em ups.

>>7373773
it's kinda too easy though
but okay

>>7374646

Gameplay-wise not at all, but having an argument about this is pointless if that's what you think a deep game is; you're not going to enjoy beat em ups, anon. Just stick to Zelda and RPG's etc.

>>7374691
>>7374691

Nice, which one? You played Revenge of Death Adder?

>>7360434
streets of rage was never good

>>7373705

>Final Fight is really not that hard

You just blew your cover, if you're going to try to troll people on here because you have nothing better to do with your life, you need to work on sounding authentic, if anyone was taking you seriously before, they surely aren't now.

>>7373013

Its up there for sure

>>7375032
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skhoqmvl8s8

>>7375053

Lol, well I can tell right away this person is using auto-fire, so that would disqualify it right there. I'm sure you didn't notice this though because you've never actually played Final Fight for more than a few minutes before you got raped. Not sure exactly what the point of this comment was.

>>7375070
>auto-fire doesn't count you have to mindlessly mash the whole game
no
and
cope

How are the GG shinobi games?

>>7375186

You're the one coping here.

>>7375197
enjoy your carpal tunnel, I guess.

>>7374980
Golden Axe
played them all
i like the original the best
its just so pure in its gameplay
dont even play for high score
axe go chop

>>7375279

Autofire or not It's pretty much a moot point, you posted a lets play of a random person clearing the game, It's not impossible to 1cc Final Fight, but that doesn't mean that its an easy thing to do. I can show you a video of somebody playing Pacman and getting to level 250 making it look simple, that's why I'm wondering why you posted it to begin with. This is something most people know already, it's why the phrase 'making it look easy' exists.

>>7375070
>auto-fire would disqualify it
it's not like it actually increases your DPS. this isn't darius gaiden where it completely breaks the game.
you could achieve a similar effect by just pressing the button fast. the autofire is irrelevant.

>>7375687

True, I was thinking more along the lines of Twin Galaxies rules and things like that, but admittedly it doesn't really affect the game much after I looked into it. I have learned something new.

>>7375314
plenty of games harder than FF and I've beat them so it's not a big deal

>>7375731
then you clearly must enjoy beat 'em ups.

>>7375731

That's great, anon. I'm happy for you. Now lets get back to discussing beat 'em ups.

Not sure if it counts but I've been enjoying Warzard, I guess its technically a fighting game/beat em up hybrid? Dunno.

I'd rather play Ys, Alundra or Dragons Crown, at least they have some depth. Arcade bmups are shallow let's be real

>>7375821
>dragon's crown
basedfied capcom's d&d

>>7375821
>dragon's crown
soified capcom's d&d

>>7375821

Weak bait lmao

>>7375863
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z26aaTEM5Bc
"" It's still a great game, but I really wish they would have made an arcade mode with everything completely preset. That would have definitely made this one of my favorite beat 'em ups ever. But I'd still recommend it, of course.""

>>7375032
I mean it just straight up isn't that hard of a game lol
I'm sorry you suck so bad at the genre you love so much that you think anyone saying so must be lying lmfao

>>7375752

need a list of toku beat em ups pls

>>7375965
t. shit player

>>7376062
Nah that would be the guy who actually thinks final fight is hard lol

>>7375752
I love Red Earth. I wish they released an enhanced port of it in some fashion on home console so it would be more remembered.

being hard doesn't make any game good in itself and hard is relative to the player and his goal

>>7375967

There's more than you'd think, the /vr/ one's are the Kamen Rider beat em up on the SFC (as well as the many Power Rangers games), and theres one for PC engine, Cyber Cross I believe that's kinda like Karate Champ. Those are the ones that I know of

>>7376223

That would have been awesome, at least include it in a compilation or something, its a really cool, beautiful game. I just remember the dinosaur was in Capcom Jam or whatever, some shit game

>>7375965

>it just straight up isn't
>using 'lmfao' and 'lol' as punctuation

Please go back to twitter or wherever you came from, zoomer.

beat em ups are like the bonus car stage in fighting games ; after a few hours of practice you know how to cheese the AI and bosses and all the stages feel samey

>>7376546
Strong point. My friend (who is a girl) likes to watch me play beat em ups and says the same thing and even though I enjoy playing these games I do find them boring and too easy.

>>7376565
we call them BARF EM UPS because playing them is GAY

>>7375186
auto-fire on beat em ups invalidates the run.

>>7376485
Go practice final fight so you'll suck at it less lmfao

>>7373757
Dont know about yall but people were already ending sentences with lol back in 2002 when i used internet for the first time lol

>>7375821
It's /vr/ so not sure if bait t b h

>>7375752
Do you know Monster Maulers and Metamoqester

>>7376108
the only people saying final fight is easy are retards like you that don't even know how to cancel-grab

>>7376872
saying it's not that hard doesn't mean it's easy
English doesn't work that way

>>7377070
either way you are still a shit player

>>7377078
whatever helps you cope with your awful taste and opinions

>>7377093
i'm not the shit player pretending he's good at final fight for beating the first stage, shitter

>>7377070
>>7377078
>>7377096
Just ignore the homosexual and move on.

>>7376753

Yes, I love both

>>7377187
>Just ignore the homosexual and move on.
For real. Next time someone makes an outlandish claim, ask for a replay/stream of their accomplishment. When they fail to produce one (they literally always do), you ignore everything else they say. Stop getting trolled my amateur hour shitposters.

>autofire is cheating!
>learning the game is cheating!
>playing smart is cheating!
dadlets, when will they ever learn

Auto fire on beat em ups so you can infinite punch and punch off screen ez mode wrecking the stupid AI and not labelling the video is perikles tier.

>>7377210
>dadlets, when will they ever learn
Pretty sure they learned how to play the game without cheating, son.

>>7376403
Yeah outside of Tessa getting some love in crossovers like Pocket Figher and SvC Chaos. Leo, Kenji, Hyrdon the kraken monster and Hauzer the dinosaur were in Capcom's shitty crossover fighter Capcom Fighting Jam. All the cast really gets these days is cameos like Leo and Kenji got costumes in SFV.

Being a tryhard at single player games means you got filtered by multiplayer competition and are settling for abusing dumb AI with cheese patterns lol sad!

>>7377314

Lmfao holy shit I love this, looks a bit jank though, happy to see him in something else

>>7377295
>>7377298
sounds like all they ever learned was COPE n SEETHE

>>7376872
It's not a hard game lol certainly not hard enough that "I played for fifteen minutes without exhausting a single credit" is some outlandish claim
Honestly if you hear someone say that and you think it's bullshit, it's a sign that you're garbage at the game

>>7377295
>>7377298
>disallowed from automating the thing that you would have been able to do very easily anyway
why

>>7377389
Why are you replying the same post again? pathetic cunt.

>>7377321
see >>7371656

wtf bros
capcom beat 'em up bundle has rapid punch and punch+jump buttons

>>7377321
see >>7371648

>>7377426
>PC/console port has jank and easy modes built in
Imagine my shock

>>7377426
I don't mind if people use autofire for beat em ups but it's kinda gay playing it that way

>>7376717
Seems like your retarded ass never moved past it.

>>7377321
Cringe, multiplayer fags always get exposed when they try single-player games and suck hard at them.

>>7377461
it should be the default like with shmups, mashing is stupid

>>7377493
Just set the dips lower, same cope for you

>>7377493
noodle arm cope

>>7377321
strong point. Agree unfortunately I couldn't make it in real games (multiplayer) so I settle for abusing stupid AI and learning predictable patterns in single player games. Now I'm a big fish in a small pond on discord and a dead shmup leaderboard, also stream on twitch for 4 viewers!

>>7377524
Time to make a youtubes

Yay or nay to the IGS beat em ups?

>>7377524
i bet you fag don't even play ftg, or if you do you suck at them pretty badly

>>7377524
Many such cases in the single player boomer community.

>>7377524
Chill

>>7377536
>no grabbing
>too much weapon/item shit
>levelling up is important
They're actually worse than regular crapcom bmups somehow

>>7377493
memes aside, seeing people outside the shmup community argue about autofire and practice methods is like going back in time 10+ years. those are dead and irrelevant topics for the players (not collectors)

catch up lads.

>>7377416
What in the fuck are you babbling about lol that was my sole reply to that post

>>7377536
>Yay or nay to the IGS beat em ups?
yay but for pro players only

>>7377510
>cope
>>7377517
>cope
thanks, rule change

>>7377604
>those are dead and irrelevant topics for the players (not collectors)
collectors don't care either

this thread is not an accurate gauge of any group's actual opinions including the people writing the posts

>>7377536
kov1 is fun but the others have too many pleb filters, if you like mystara and like something more challenging though go for it.

>>7377536
kov1 is fun but the others have too many pleb filters, if you like mystara and want something more challenging though go for it.

>>7378301
>Knights of Valour 1

Why are there so many different versions of that game? Which one should I play?

>>7378305
Yo, see >>7378307

>>7378307
plus/super have some extra mechanics and characters i think, i only played the original one and it's fine

>>7377601
Well said but in general you have to force yourself to find the repetitive shallow bmup experience fun.

Bump

I'm playing KOV1. Any tips or pointers?

>>7380575
try not to get too bored with the repetitive single-player gameplay loop

>>7380575
why is that game so freakishly long?

>>7380575

Play as Guan Yu, because he's based

>>7380658
nah he's kinda boring, the game is tedious so far but i hope it gets better

>>7380689
you gain faster attack speed at stage 3 which helps a lot, try learning stage 2 boss as it's pretty much the early pleb filter

>>7380689
I mean it's a bmup, tedium is basically all they have to offer

>>7380689

I was talking about Guan Yu as a historical/literary figure, anon.

Who the fuck recommended Knights of Valour? This game has horrible pacing. The hit stun seems to be random and enemies will just walk out of your combos sometimes. It's extremely repetitive and overly long. Not bad per se, but nowhere near as good as the classics.

Umm..Splatter house 2

>>7381310
you should try number 2 or 3, they fix a lot of the issues (maybe)

>>7375296
GA1 and 2 are such grug games but I love them. Throwing enemies off cliffs with that weird af throw mechanic is so satisfying mang.

Is it possible to grab enemies in the X-men konami game? It seems to happen randomly, how do you do it consistently? This game is kinda shitty

>>7382838
Konami licensed bmups were kind of shit compared to the competition, yeah.

>>7382892
Weird how Konami made some really strong games for the genre when they created everything from scratch. Metamorphic Force plays like a finished version of X-Men for example.

>>7382934
I think it's because the licensed games were solely for westerners (simpsons, xmen, tmnt). Back then, we just treated bmups like braindead credit-feed party games, so it's no wonder they didn't even really try on anything but the spectacle. The original stuff meanwhile was probably at least half aimed at their domestic market that played with 1ccs in mind.

>>7382934
>Weird how Konami made some really strong games for the genre when they created everything from scratch.

Most companies do this.

compare the main arc system franchises with licensed games

>>7381310
It's still the easiest one to get into as other IGS games are too hard or require dumb secrets for the true 1cc. KoV1 is just slightly longer than the others and you should be using the combo for 1 or 2 enemies, for big groups you use timed hits or jump attacks to reposition

>>7381314
>3
3 ditched the arcade the design so it's shit

>>7381310
play Shen Jian instead

>>7383005
Arcade design ditched? No it still has repetitive shitty levels full of stupid enemies and bosses to cheese.

>>7384182
ok non-player

>>7383005
with a game that long ditching the arcade design was a good move.

>>7384182
Arcade design just means you have to do a bunch of mindless memorization before you can play the game. It was ditched because it was skilless, unfun, anyone could do it if they had a memory and time to waste. Console and PC gaming is when deeper systems were introduced that asked the player to think, to make choices, to solve problems, not only autistically memorize predictable patterns.

>>7384361
ok non-player

>>7384361
Strong point. Hate to say it but I agree.

>>7384361
damn, how will arcadetards ever recover?

>>7382947
>>7382950
Yet Capcom didn't half-ass it

>>7384361
based

>try FF cause everyone saying its good
>stand at top of screen spamming punch
>enemies herd themselves into my fist
>chain punch
>clear the screen
>rinse repeat
lol wtf is this garbage and the animation is so stiff

>>7384361
>>7385332
>he doesn't know
>>7382596
>grug games
unpretentious fun

>>7385332
so you didn't play ff, color me surprised

>>7386065
just tried what he said and it works
you can infinite punch the enemies and some bosses it seems and they DO walk into your punch spam like retards! holy shit

>>7386070
sure thing samefag non-player

>>7386070
infinite punch is pretty common in beat em ups and enemies just walking into you and dying is the norm

>>7356827
yeah dont bother with that Vendetta bullshit that removes all the gay dudes and gay dobermans

>>7372831
not Metal Warriors bro, Armored Warriors. your thinkin of a snes game

havent played it yet but Rastan Saga 3 looks tight

protip: Dont be a scrub. Go into the service menu and get rid of the dual screen gap.

for me, it's light bringer, the best jarpig 'em up

>>7356823
I'd love to hear the reasons for these placements

>>7387550
rob who made that list is a biased as fuck weeb who copies all his strats pixel perfect from replay burners.

>>7356823
Garbage list.

>>7388032
u know what they say

if u can't beat 'em, copy 'em