/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7356563
No because doomniggers still butthurt.

>>7356568
The problem is one side says it’s a flawless masterpiece while the other says it’s dogshit when in reality, it’s a strong fps with fun platforming and interesting world building that could use more exploration and a stronger ost, that’s my take anyway.

Pros:
-First FPS to have environments that look like a real place instead of an FPS level.
-Enemies that do more than just run in a straight line while shooting.

Cons:
-Xen and On A Rail

>>7356563
>weaknesses
washed out engine

Stop trying to defend this shit that ended the golden age and is movie shit

>>7356627
take meds alf

Who the fuck is alf?

>>7356648
https://archive.is/h0d0r
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>>7356610
Care to explain?

>>7356654
>>7352238

>>7356563
Why is there a soiboy on the cover? lol

>>7356654
ya we got a thread. i dunno if its just that screenies you see these days are catching a signal that was meant to be sent to monitors with different gamma but hl1 screen shot s you tend to find are crushed into a greyish moosh

>>7356563
Game is based because it makes one schizo seethe hard.
He's crying over the OP pic of the retro fps general right now.

>>7356563
>Strengths
Lots of enemy variety
Lots of gun variety
Interesting lore
Setting is great when you're wandering through the abandoned research labs and you get to see what all the branches were working on
Game does a good job of mixing the threat up so you're going against aliens, then the military and then stopping the aliens at last
Feels great to play
>Cons
Military enemies can get a bit samey
Lots of people thought Xen was kinda bad
Setting sucks when it's boring desert locations and office sections.
Black Mesa makes no fucking sense as an actual location

That's off the top of my head really.

>>7356563
>>7357890
Oh and add too much platforming over insta kill pits to negative. I forgot to add that.

a really fun shooter that was really innovative for the time. less impressive now-a-days because every game is doing what it did. on a rail isnt as bad as people say it as and Residue Processing's biggest sin is being a bit boring, Xen is ass though. Half-Life 2 is much better although that might not be a popular opinion on this board.

>>7357897
>Half-Life 2 is much better
Sorry, I can't agree with you. They double downed on all the worst aspects I listed >>7357890 here.
>lore was in theory more interesting but they seemed to go out of their way to ensure we saw none of the cool shit
>enemy came out of nowhere
>Platforming with physic puzzles
And got rid of several cool points
>most of the game is boring RL locations that aren't even super scienced up
>repetitive as fuck enemies
>overall less interesting guns because they expected the gravity gun to carry it
>Story is pretty boring generic resistance stuff

>>7356579
>strong fps
No.
>with fun platforming
No.
>interesting world building
Maybe.
>stronger ost
Only good part about the game.

>>7359315
faggot

>>7359318
Suck my dick, nigger.

>>7359326
obsessed faggot

>>7359330
Not even obsessed for the game, and don't bother pulling your classic Alf boogeyman card on me, moron.

>>7359341
yes you are

>>7359349
Show me proof that I am obsessed over Half-Life.

Well it's no doubt one of the biggest influences on modern FPS games but it definitely has some very low points like On A Rail and the whole Xen section.

>>7359359
the doomworld thread

>>7359364
>and don't bother pulling your classic Alf boogeyman card on me, moron.
Show me proof that I am Alf.

>>7359362
nothing wrong with xen except interloper.

both of you are obsessed

>>7359370
>he still seething over a pic
lol

>>7359379
i did nothing wrong.
The other faggot couldn't help himself and took the bait.

>>7359371
you are Alf, cope and seethe

>>7359407
No, I'm Anonymous, from the 4channel.org /vr/ board. Now fuck off.

>>7359412
Make me you fucking filth. MAKE ME. COME OVER HERE AND STOP ME.

>>7359418
And then what? Fuck you?

>>7356563
brilliant game
residue processing's a bit weak and so are parts of xen, but they're still fine

only shitters hate on a rail

>>7357890
>Black Mesa makes no fucking sense as an actual location
it's a video game
adding lots of pointless extra hallways and doors that you can't open all over the place would be silly and would actually detract from the experience

>>7356563
Sure. I tried both the original and the Black Mesa remaster and did not like either. Complaints are the same.
> Movement feels like shit, like you're ice skating all the time
> Gunplay doesn't feel great either
> Level design is a boring and confusing series of drab corridors
> Story is nothing particularly impressive either
I guess it deserves some credit for contributing to "modern" fps design. But really, Halo did far more in that respect and became the template for the 7th gen FPS game in a way that Half-Life never did. All in all, I think it's quite overrated, both in terms of its influence and its overall quality.

>>7359572
>Movement feels like shit, like you're ice skating all the time
no?
apart from the literal sections on ice

>Level design is a boring and confusing series of drab corridors
>Story is nothing particularly impressive either
okay you're trolling or retarded

>>7360874
>Level design is a boring and confusing series of drab corridors
>Story is nothing particularly impressive either

What about the story is impressive? And you cannot deny the level design is very formulaic

>>7359572
>But really, Halo did far more

>>7360945
The story is basically just Doom/Quake with pointless fluff added to it. I never understood why people flip their shit over how good it is so often.

>>7360986
I genuinely think the story is boring and is just a guy who never talks escaping a facility, that’s it.

>>7356579
>one side says it’s a flawless masterpiece
Only to piss off Alf and no one else.

>>7359572
>level design is a series of boring drab corridors
sounds like Halo alright

>>7357905
>most of the game is boring RL locations that aren't even super scienced up
But that's what makes the Combine bases stand out. Entaglement, the Citadel and a few other minor areas stand out. Maybe not crazy scifi but definitely the scifi you would expect from a combine civilisation that has no time for art.
Making the whole game some corridor scifi pew pew shooter would definitely not be an improvement.

>>7356581
>First FPS to have environments that look like a real place instead of an FPS level.
Goldeneye did it first, and didn't have to be linear about it

>>7356581
Wrong on all points.

>>7362890
Goldeneye was also a terrible game

Both HL games kind of fizzle out at the end. HL1 is well known, the Xen levels. HL2 is debatable, for me it's in the end of Entanglement and beginning of Anticitizen One. After spending the whole damn game escaping from City 17 and travelling cross country as far from it as possible, then suddenly teleport back into it, and you're stuck in it for the rest of the game.
So disappointing, the high point of the game was going around seeing all the abandoned places and escaping from Combine traps, ending it all invading a secret Combine stronghold with an army of giant insects. No other game ever made an experience like this, and they follow it up with boring resistance urban warfare stuff. That's why Episode 2 was so good, it's entirely based on "running away from the city".

>>7362894
Fuck no. And Half Life took pages from it, with it's AI and it's limited stealth.

>>7356581
>First FPS to have environments that look like a real place instead of an FPS level.
that was DN3D retard

>>7362919
>>7363425
all shit games

>>7362894
All fps games are terrible games for casuals and tween non gamers

HL chads live in /vr/ head rent free because people like the game more than the meme garbage they shill.

>>7363430
Still did it first

>>7356563
no because this is /vr/ and we can't go five seconds before a thread turns into back and forth shit-slinging.

as this one has already.

>>7363456
no one cares

>>7363460
It's the retro fps general that wants to control the narrative.

>>7356581
>-First FPS to have environments that look like a real place instead of an FPS level.
Implying this is a good thing.

>>7363725
implying fps are good regardless

>>7356563
I think there should have been a 4th ad on where you play as spec ops asassin. I know there is a fanmade one.

>>7357905
How did the second game double down on Xen?

>>7356563
>Strengths
>nice feeling movement
>weapons have a god 'feel' to them as well
>the AI behaves in a way that's interesting to fight
>the game is a well designed journey that takes you through varied and interesting places
>the mod scene is/was insane and elevated the game greatly

>Weaknesses
>I didn't have a problem with it at the time, but on replaying it I noticed that Xen starts to drag about midway through the Xen-levels, they feel rushed and barren
>standard multiplayer was a bit lacklustre at the time (but saved by the mods as mentioned in strengths), I remember my lan-group much preferred the original Unreal and even Q2 over HL-multiplayer (but soon enough HL mods, especially CS, started to dominate our lan-gaming completely)

>>7357897
HL2 was a mediocre FPS-game that just milked the HL-sequel-hype as hard as it could. I'll never understand why people went ape over it, there were plenty of better FPS games both before, during and after its release.

>>7356563
Strengths:
>strong atmosphere for the time, feels very survival horror-esque for the first hour or two until the We've Got Hostiles chapter
>gunplay is as tight and punchy as Quake, Unreal, and other contemporaries, weapons are great too
>exceptional multiplayer community and mod support that led to things like Counter-Strike
>remarkable OST and sound design, with music kicking-in at very specific moments that perfectly fits the mood or the action

Weaknesses:
>overabundance of friendly scientist and security guard NPC's undermine the atmosphere somewhat, the game would feel much more consistently-oppressive and creepy if everything there was literally out to kill you
>lots of quiet time and scripted sequences that are kind of dull after the first time
>HECU are cheap hitscanning cunts on higher difficulties
>Xen levels are tedious and overstay their welcome, despite their great visual design and atmosphere

>>7356581
I came into xen expecting to absolutely hate it but I found it fine? I thought the space jumping was actually kind of fun unlike the rest of the platforming in the game , the only especially bad segment was the one crappy air cannon puzzle.

From what I remember any segment with marines was ass, hitscan but as spongy as the non hitscan aliens.

>>7364467
*out to kill you after the resonance cascade, I should say

Then again I can see why it would have been considered cliche at the time since there weren't really any friendly NPC's in other FOS's at the time.

>>7356563
stfu. even if I've none of them installed atm

>>7363460
Cry harder redditor. Grow a fucking spine or go back.

>>7364856
>redditor
lolno. how bout you neck yourself?

>>7356563
I just played through Black Mesa and it reminded me of how many things this game did right, especially in the way it handled the basic FPS weapon loadout. The story is about a scientist, and instead of an assault rifle or grenade launcher, you're using railguns and a fucking ghostbusters proton pack. And the twist when the marines show up was brilliantly executed.
It was a landmark game, and the gameplay itself wasn't half bad. Despite being a strictly linear experience it built a believable world and setting. One of the finest games ever made, shooter or othewise.

>>7356648
You a retard or sumthin?

>>7362528
The bases are also very boring

>>7365206
>and instead of an assault rifle or grenade launcher,
Anon...

>>7367631
Not him, but there are many posters on /vr/ who aren't over 40 who watched Alf. I would know because Alf came out in 86 and I was only 4-years-old at the time. Didn't know a single thing about that show, nor did I even watch a single episode. Probably because I either didn't have cable at the time or I just didn't know what channel it was on.

Who're your favourite badniks? Mine are the mawmen. Hahaha MAWMEN

>>7356563
first time I played it, did a save and got stuck, there was no way out of the damage, floor was electricuted. never played again.

lmao shits wild