/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7325845

>>7325845
put some Brok Lesnar of that Broksonic

>>7325845
I still never beat that last boss. He just kept refilling his health before I could finish him off.

I got a pair of Optimus AMX-17 speakers from a coworker who didn't need them, they're barely/never used but they didn't have a power supply
they need a 14V 3.5A power supply but I can't find the real one anywhere.

As long as I find a 14V power supply with 3.5 or more amps, and a tip that fits I should be good right? Are those "universal" power supplies that come with all the different tips as shady as they look, or is that a good option?

>>7326218
Anything with those specs will work, what you need to pay attention to is the polarity. You can probably get away with anything that will fit and is approximately those specs, but the polarity on the barrel being correct is paramount.

>>7326271
gotcha, so if I get a universal supply I should get one that also has a polarity inverter

>>7326312
yeah and make sure you don't plug it in backwards because theres a good chance one try is all you'll get

>>7326316
copy that, thanks

>>7326216
I just died at the first turkey boss.
I got too close and couldn't hit his head.

>>7326312
you might be grossly overpaying that way

>>7326337
yeah I know
it actually doesn't have the polarity listed on the speaker or in the manual, but every other optimus speaker i can see has positive polarity
so im gonna try a samsung monitor power supply with positive polarity and hope that fits, if it fries the speakers (hopefully not) or doesnt fit ill just return the power supply

>>7326113
Lol

>>7326409
mods, this man is too based, take him to the based department

>>7326409
Aaahhhhhhh

>>7326387
there should be a little symbol embossed on the plastic, I think it's legally required

>>7326436
That's what I thought but I don't see anything, unless I'm retarded
They're from 1996 I'm guessing it's before that particular law was in effect

>>7326492
and then this is all the manual has to say

Can anyone tell me what issues they can see on this TV, and what the name for the issue is?
This is a sharp something or other.

I managed to miraculously find a that mentions exactly what each service menu option does, and what the expected values are, but for the life of me I can't figure out how to fix the two most glaring issues, the top left horizontal sagging and the bottom right vertical sagging.

The guide is here, the terms are on page 7
https://manualzz.com/doc/765094/sharp-27f541-service-manual

>>7326492
>>7326501
it takes ac so polarity doesn't matter

>>7326532
isn't an "AC Adapter" sending direct current?
sorry I'm pretty green with electrical stuff

>>7326532
>>7326569
actually nevermind i did 5 minutes of googling and realized im a retard
well damn, seems like I might be out of luck. that kind of adapter just doesn't seem to be very common these days.

>>7325824
does anyone have sams photofacts for the magnavox PR1914C121

Where would one generally go for crt repairs. All my local tv shops refused to look at it despite telling the exactly what the problem was (even a few that said "all makes and models"). All that happened was the power button fell in and the front av and headphone jacks stopped working a few years ago

What would be the chances of me stumbling across a beige CRT monitor at a recycling facility?

>>7326813
Find yourself a drunk electrical engineering student in need of beer money. They're also useful for other vintage electronics needs like console modding.

Is a 16:9 sony xbr worth the trouble if you're only planning on feeding it 480p at up signals? There's one for free near by but fucker weighs more than I do so the trouble would be setting up a pickup with a friend or to.

I asked something like this before but get dismissive answers like "they're shit for 240p so they're worthless". If I stick to 480p and up I shouldn't have any upscaling artifacts or lag?

>>7326859
>Is a 16:9 sony xbr worth the trouble

I wouldn't go through the trouble unless I had a heart on 6th gen consoles.

>>7326509
>the top left horizontal sagging and the bottom right vertical sagging.

It's really not that bad anon, but if you really want to perfect it, you're gonna have to open it up and play with some magnets.

>>7326813
>>>/diy/

>>7326509
it looks almost perfect
you will never get 100% perfect
i'd leave it alone and play some games
but if you want to fuck around and see if anything makes it look better to you, all the relevant settings are in the D category there

>>7325824
I have never seen one of those Qualia CRT sets for sale in any form.

>>7323510
That happens when Green cutoff is higher than G2. Green contributes most to luminance. I have a monitor that is like yours but instead of green it's magenta which would be the opposite relationship.

>>7326409

I finally got a Philips 107E manufactured 01/99 set up. Here's a shot of it with showing Jim Lee's X-Men #1 cover.

>>7327635
Thanks chief

where can I find a simple guide to monitor calibration? I'd like to at least adjust the brightness/contrast. There is no option in the OSD to adjust gamma but there is a very small metal knob which probably does affect G2. I don't think I'll mess with it while the monitor is working well. You're looking at a viewsonic p225 at 1280x1024, 85hz.

I keep the color temperature preset to 6500k though I read that standard settings for most monitors from the factory is 9300k.

Any tips from experienced users?

>>7331361
Also, I have no idea why 4chan keeps rotating my pictures

>>7331365
4chan strips EXIF data from images and most phones store image orientation as EXIF data. Manually setting the orientation before upload may help.

>>7331361
>viewsonic p225 at 1280x1024, 85hz
what a waste for a decently high end monitor

>>7331524
Thank you.

>>7331539
My current vga adapter doesn't have the power to take advantage of the full bandwidth. As such, 1280x1024 is the happy middle ground between resolution and hertz; at least until my new one arrives in the mail.

At 1920x1200, the image folds over itself on the left side of the screen (possibly the right too). I haven't gone to the trouble of adjusting the image to fix it since such resolutions are nearly unusable for desktop applications.

Although it is in dire need of calibration, I'm satisfied enough to contemplate getting rid of my 20-inch D-series. I'm hoping that a satisfactory flat panel will become available by the time this thing dies.

>>7331751
yeah, get rid of the d-series. you can always find those in local listings

>>7331751
I didn't think they made the D-series in 20 inches. Good to know.

>>7331836
I am now hesitant after turning it on for the first time in a while. It looks nice and vibrant. The previous owner kept it in their spare bedroom and it's evident that it hasn't seen much use.
>>7331901
Great little set too. This is the JVC AV-20D303. Mega Man 8 through ps2 on s-video. I don't have component cables for ps2 but the picture is plenty sharp regardless.

>>7325824

What do you think of $20 for a KV-24FV12? It's a trinitron and has a functioning remote. I want a better option for playing OG Xbox games at 480i. This has s-video so should be good. I have HDMI cable for the Xbox but Vice City looks like shit on anything but CRT

>>7332012
If it was well-kept and not far away then go for it. Personally, I don't think most 3d games look clean enough on 480i. I'm still scouting for a reasonable 1080i set to fit that purpose.

>>7332012
Mine just finally shit the bed. Apparently the yoke has a bad habit of just crapping itself in some way on these. It’s likely this one is already fucked in an unrepairable way honestly

>>7332041
Did it show symptoms over time or just click off suddenly?

Is aperture grille THAT good?
I feel like people have bad experiences with slot masks and lump shadow masks with them.

>>7333241
It's selection bias. Most aperture grill sets were from Sony. Low end brands used shadow mask most of the time but that has nothing to do with quality of shadow mask itself. I love Panasonic slot mask tubes if I can find them

Not retro but it amazes me how good some games can look on a CRT. Something like this that looks like shit on an HDTV even with component and 480p looks great on a CRT. Normally it forces black bars for widescreen, but I'm using a code that removes them.

My shitty phone pic doesn't really do it justice.

>>7325824
Bought this Matsui 1420A recently - the reason I chose an 80s TV instead of a 90s TV is purely aesthetic reasons.
I haven't used a CRT in like 15 years so bear with me here if I sound stupid.
This TV only has an RF port and an audio jack, and I'm looking to hook it up to my PC as a second monitor and play emulated games on it. What would be the best solution for this? Preferably with as few adaptors as possible

>>7333241
It made a huge difference in the 70s and 80s when shadowmask sets were shittier. Sony dominated because of how noticeable it was. But into the 90s the difference became less meaningful. In fact I'm pretty over the trinitron hype. Arcade cabinets typically used slot type shadowmask monitors so for retro gaming it's perfect. In later TVs the difference is the aperture grille will have an advantage in brightness but I think the shadowmask looks more natural. The image looks almost like its been woven. It also doesn't help that finding a curved trinitron with component is a bitch and flat vs curved will matter more than grille vs mask.

>>7333674
>This TV only has an RF port and an audio jack, and I'm looking to hook it up to my PC as a second monitor and play emulated games
give up on that, you'd have to go through at least 2 adapters and it would be mangled to hell, you would never get it to display correctly

>>7333674
Any converter box should have the power to drive 480i. Don't expect miracles but the lesser the distance between your analog adapter to the tv itself the cleaner the signal will be.

>>7333674
It's gonna look like absolute shit but you basically need to get an HDMI to RF modulator, assuming your computer can output HDMI

You can also go VGA to Composite then Composite to RF which might be cheaper
RF modulators are kind of pricey these days because they're pretty niche.

>>7333714
What converter box would I want to look for? HDMI to RF?

>>7333715
>It's gonna look like absolute shit
Shit, really? Like how badly absolute shit?
I do actually happen to have a VGA to composite already so I could get the composite to RF too, but if it's gonna look completely awful I'm not sure if it's worth the effort

Yeah I guess just try to find an old VCR at a thrift store that has composite in and RF out because that's likely the cheapest converter you'll be able to find

And yeah you're essentially taking RGB via VGA, then squishing all that video information together into composite, then squishing it again into coaxial. So it's gonna look bad. You should look for an old VGA PC CRT if you want your old games to look good.

Still though if you decide to try i'm not sure if you'll be able to get it working unless you can output a 240p signal, just because the TV probably cant handle anything bigger, but i really dont know.

>>7333546
>Not retro
GameCube is retro, and the Wii is a GameCube Pro with motion controls. You're good.

should i be worried if my crt keeps making weird purring noises?

>>7334015
no, just punch it and it's gonna fix itself

>>7333723
If you can find an hdmi to rf, then go for it. As the others have said, the fewer steps in the conversion, the better

Anyone in need of a by a adapter for their crt monitor should look into getting the Startech dp2vgahd20. It has enough power to enable all the timings for my 350mhz bandwidth monitor. It's probably easier to get in America than a DeLock adapter.

What game do you guys use as a reference to mess around with the geometry settings

>>7334015
you can rub magnets on the screen to fix that

>>7334173
Google 240p test suite

>>7334469
only for tvs you get that. for everything else you use: https://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/Video-Tweak/NEC-Test-Pattern-Generator.shtml or anything similar

Redpill me on CRTs

>>7334015
you misspelled cat and that mean he happy :3

>>7335139
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya3c1Ni4B_U

>>7335139
https://youtu.be/ib1XusRAJ9A

>>7333674
Modern pc into a crt is not the move anon

I recently picked up a JVC 27D201 for about ten bucks, however I need to get a new remote for it so I can get into the service menu and adjust the geometry. Is there a recommended site to buy remotes from? I found 1st party and even applicable 3rd party remotes to replace with on Ebay, Replacement Remotes, and Electronic Adventure, but I'd like to see what y'all recommend.

>>7336282
No advice on the remote, but nice pick up, anon. I think 27" sets are the best, not too small, not too big, still possible to move with ease. The D-Series is always raved about so I'm sure you'll love it. Curved screen and component is to die for.

>>7336282
I got a Philips universal remote for I think 6.99 or 8.99 at Target about a week ago. I needed it to do service menu stuff on a Panasonic I just got, long story short it worked fine to get into the service menu. Definitely be careful and write shit down.

>>7336282
you could probably use an old smart phone that has an ir blaster

>>7333546
wait. wtf?
how did you get that running at 4:3

>>7337276
There's a gecko code to remove the black bars.

>>7336763
A universal remote is 10 bucks anon

>>7337796
and an old smart phone laying around the house is p much free, Anonymous

>>7337803
Oh how could I forget the magical infrared phone everybody has just in a bin somewhere?

>>7337886
>he doesn't keep his smart phones from like 4 years ago
anon...come on

>>7337886
i literally have 5 in a bin right next to me

>>7337905
post proof or gtfo

There’s a Samsung on the curb but no power cord and it’s big. Not sure if works or not so not sure if I should risk it. Thoughts?

>>7339849
If it's sooper big, then me personally I wouldn't bother

Should I buy this for $80?

>>7339889
offer him 40 cause of the chip in the corner

>>7339889
>>7339950
offer him 10 because literally no one else will buy it besides another autist, which could take months if at all

>>7339889
>>7339950
tell him you'll haul away his trash if he pays you 20

>>7339968
actually this

ONE MORE CRT REJECTED

>>7339970
Lol yeah most people give away for free or put them on the curb

>>7339889
Yes, but try $50 first.

>>7339681
aight

>>7339889
offer 20 max and wait for him to give in when he can't sell his 'gamer tv'. then consider lowering your bid

>>7326837
Pretty high if they let you in. A lot of places won't sell stuff because they think people will make a scene when it doesn't plug into their ps5 or they will want full warranty for a $10 screen and basically harass the employees wanting free support, basically Karens. Just say you have an old computer that will only use those old screens or if people leave them out front just take one.

>>7326851
EE students don't even learn how to solder. It's all theoretical bullshit.

>>7337619
Thanks for this anon, I never knew you could make it 4:3, it looks great

got this 24inch toshiba with vcr and dvd player

>>7342350
for free right?

I have the opportunity to pick up an xbr960. Is it worth the hassle when plasma tvs are still plentiful in my area?

>>7342364
Rent free
>>7342350
Nice pickup man looks like it fits your setup well. Built in player is nice too if you want to play media on it.

Tell me this, /crt/. When any retro console is rendering the images at a sub-SD resolution, say 256x224, is the horizontal draw actually driven at a lower than standard frequency or does it get interpolated to match the output standard? And what about the vertical resolution, does the console actually wait during the next field or does it generate a blank field? Or maybe it instructs the CRT to draw at half the vertical rate, thereby waiting longer between each line? So how does that work?

>>7342479
IMO yes.

>>7343490
don't most of those resolutions just have a border?

>>7342350
nice, how are internal dvd or vhs players usually?

>>7343490
it still sends 60 fields per second, but the second field which is supposed to be drawn on the lines between the previous field are actually shifted up by a line and drawn over the old ones. It's just a formating trick of 480i. As for the various resolutions, my understanding is that since the TVs are syncing to the blanking signal, anything that you can fit between the standard blanking timings is fare game, so yes if the resolution is only 224 instead of 240, it's sending extra blanking data, which the tv doesn't mind because the blanking doesn't encode any data besides existing in order to prepare the syncing

>>7344267
Really solid in my experience. They make some noise when you turn on the tv like they're warming up or something but other than that it works great.

>>7344605
does the dvd one load burn dvds?

>>7344618
I don't actually have any burned dvds to try. I'll look into it and post in a future crt thread.

>>7344652
make sure you burn it right

What are some games that look really good on CRTs?

>>7344883
depends on the crt/resolution/what youre using to connect to said crt

>>7325824
I lost my old tv but i have a pretty big crt monitor dose composite to vga look like shit, is it worth it?

Whats the best Trinitron for 6th gen?

>>7344883
Anything standard definition and also anything with dithering

I've got this fucking massive sony trinitron wega (model KV-30HS420) and I use it to play gamecube and wii games in 480p but I was worried about input lag since it's an HD CRT and supposedly has post processing and digital conversion for analog signals
I looked up some info and apparently it's recommended to go in the service menu and set YSOW and HDPT to 0 instead of 1, and then set MIDE to 63 in order to reduce input lag/disable the image processing
the problem is I don't even know if that affects anything for 480p component or even 240p composite signals (when I have the n64 or the atari flashback hooked to it), and I don't even know what those settings are and I'm really hesitant to start fucking in a service menu and potentially fuck things up, it's so hard to find reliable info for anything like this and some random comment I read said messing with HDPT might not even be a good idea
what should I do? should I just leave it as is? I already messed with the regular settings to get the picture right but even for something like sharpness I couldn't even notice a difference when I messed with it and don't even know what it does

>>7345973
you won't notice any lag, dude. It's still less even than most modern TVs.

>>7346218
I usually play on a monitor and I'm fighting game fag so I'm sensitive to input delay
I originally got the tv to play melee on

>>7346221
>meleefag
sorry, there's no helping you

>>7346221
go take a shower

>>7346228
>>7346236
go back to /v/

>>7346243
t. stinky sweaty meleefag who cant into crt

>>7346243
us crtfags have nothing but contempt for you, because you pay assloads to boomers for their shitty TVs for your tournaments. You're a big reason for the shitty market we're in

>>7346250
>NOOOOO STOP USING THEM FOR THEIR INTENDED PURPOSE HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO PLAY PONG ON A PVM NOW

>>7345973
if you don't like what the settings do you can just change them back afterwards. just write down what they were first. it's not rocket science you baby.

>>7346465
but I don't even know what they mean

you guys ever fuck up windas and bricked your monitor?

>>7348337
Sounds like shit. I've never had the misfortune of trying to fuck with a sony monitor. Did you really kill your monitor?

>>7348337
what did you do, blow the voltage up?

>finally get CRT
>bad geometry
>nobody will come out and fix it because nobody works on CRTs anymore where I'm from
i cry

>>7350765
>>>/diy/
>>>/g/
>>>/adv/
????
PROFIT!!!!

>>7350784
replace profit with lethal electric shock
although maybe that is profit still

>>7350824
as long as you dont have it plugged in. nothing extreme will happen to you if you discharge it with a flathead screwdriver

>>7350834
what if i discharge it with a phillips head?

>>7350856
it will create mustard gas

whats the best shadow mask crt monitor out there?

>>7352630
an iiyama

>>7352639
arent those aperture grilles?

>>7352642
only the vision master pros. The regular vision master like the 505 are shadow mask

>>7333674
It's not worth it; either get a CRT PC monitor, or get some real consoles and flashcarts.

>>7334015
Try and record the sound the post a vocaroo. Also, CRTs naturally make certain sounds.

>>7335139
If you have ever read the book Purple, Green, and Yellow by Robert Munch, CRTs are the super indelible never come off until you're dead or maybe even later markers of display tech. In terms of colour and contrast performance, non-CRT displays have only just started to catch up and are far pricier. Not to mention that even at equal frame rates, CRTs still make motion smoother.

>>7339889
Read up on the specs, check performance, then decide.

>>7344883
Halo: Combat Evolved, Halo 2, Red Earth, Sonic 1 all the way to Shadow The Hedgehog, DKC trilogy.

>>7352630
Viewsonics are the most prevalent in my area and they are pretty damn good. any monitor you find that can output resolutions higher than 1280x1024 is going to be decent.

Triniton 4eva

>>7353337
Could you translate this comment into English, please?

>>7339889
It's a nice set if it has S-video, I'd say $50 max, but $40 is more reasonable

>>7353367
the viewsonics in my area are over priced for the lowend monitors

>>7356867
Sometimes you can find a decent gateway or dell monitor. That's just my experience on facebook marketplace

>>7356759
CRTs had HDR before the phrase was even coined. Also, CRTs don't have a fixed native resolution and can almost seamlessly fit whatever is on them without looking wrong. Purple, Green, and Yellow is a children's book about a girl who asks for progressively higher quality markers.

>>7357686
Thanks.

>>7339889
nope, and here's why

Some dude is selling this for $40. How far can I talk him down do you think?

>>7358090
you cant find anything better in your area?

>>7358114
It’s the only one over 12” in my area. I live in the boonies

The component signal on my 20m4u is really washed out, running the chroma auto-adjust looks good until it says "ADJUST ERROR" and reverts.

Is this because i need to run it over a SMPTE signal? That would at least help me attempt it manually. What's the best way to get a display test running on a modded ps2?

>>7346250
lmfao no, people who use CRTs for serious purposes hate gamers. there's no distinction between "retro gamers" and "gamers"

>>7358278
>use CRTs for serious purposes
lmao

>>7358278
I was just down at a local game store the other day. They said they don't do smash events anymore because guys were gigantic slobs and left trash everywhere. Focus on yourself before attacking others faggete.

>rgb

>>7358090
If has component, $10. If it doesn’t tell him you’ll save him the cost of the dump and back pain from lifting it if he gives it to you for free.

Saw this on my girlfriend's street, I was able to take a picture of the front but disnt get to take more from other angles, there is some rust on top, and I dunno if it was places out before it rained here, should I take a chance on it? I'll take more pics when I get a chance

>>7359615
Looks like they didn’t take care of it and I would advise only buying crts that have been kept inside their home.

>>7359385
>poorfag

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>>7333443
>Error: Too many lines.
reported and saged

>>7358090
I'm sure the set is fine but it seems fucked up to have to pay money and haul an old TV, I wouldn't pay more than $20 but on principle

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reported and saged

>>7344952
My dad had an HD Samsung slot mask in the 2000s and I thought it looked better than any aperture bbq.

>>7358090
Offer 10 and wait for him to accept. He's not going to get anywhere close to 40

>>7359760
>>7359789
Why did you delete?

>>7359615
Wouldn't hurt anything to plug it in and see if it works

Can anyone help me figure out what would cause this band of light across the top of my 2530?

>Die Hard on Laserdisc for reference

Currently playing FFIX with HD Retrovision Cables for my PS2.

>>7360135
>>7359682
>>7359615
Well it's the end of the day after errands/shopping it's too dark to take pics, and I was just planning to take it and plug it in at home to see if it powers on, but this thing is not only bulky but HEAVY and I need another help. Had to leave it. The rust I saw seemed to wipe off easily with my hand, and I saw dust and light cob webs. The other issue is space, I'm sure my family would be puzzled and furious with me lugging this thing inside the house with no space. This TV is somewhere in the 40inch screen size, or maybe high 30 inches, but if this thing is actually in good working order it would be glorious to play on. What a dilemma... May go back tomorrow IF I figure something out...

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>>7361862
That is beautiful anon, makes me want to finish my set up and play my ps2 and 1st gen XBOX

Are Mitsubishi Diamond View PC monitors good? Are they shadow mask?

>>7362294
depends on the model

>>7362326
How about the 15 inch models like 1554e and 1554R?

>>7362389
15" crts are most definitely shadow mask

I'm retarded.
What CRT units should I look for? I'm looking for a rather small one I can put on a desk.

>>7362929
KX-14CP1 (PVM-1390) or any 14' PVM with RGB

>>7362940
These have PAL releases, right?

>>7362945
KX-14CP1 is the european version of PVM-1390. Any PVM accepts PAL and NTSC.

>>7362956
Thanks, I'll be on the lookout.

>>7361370
>Currently playing FFIX with HD Retrovision Cables for my PS2.

>>7362958
Also, I'm going to tell you a secret: There is a "hidden gem" line of CRTs that can do 240p and 480p (something only some BVMs and 2 PVMs are capable of), the GVMs. The GVM-1311q would be perfect for you!

>>7344883
Metroid Prime

>>7361318
Probably a cap drifting out of spec.

too lazy to fix the edges

Is it possible for a PC to output component over RGB by converting the colorspace to YPbPr before output? Or is it more complicated than that to get a display to accept it as actual component video?

From a Sony-KV21X5U

My CRT is kinda ugly but it’s mine. Is anyone else attached to the shitty consumer CRT they grew up with

>>7365413
got rid of my crt tvs a long time ago when i moved. all im looking for now are pc crts

>>7362993
>Good quality component cables (in a sea of shithouse ones) made to an autistic high standard
>somehow onions
Shoo

>>7366037
Wojackshitters are the lowest effort trolls. Just keep reporting them until jannies are forced to do something about them.

>>7325824
Philco 14 inch.

It is good for which type of console ?

Hey guys, I haven't played retro games in a decade, but I bought a new house with an extra bedroom beyond our needs that I've turned into a little den/office for myself. I want to get a small 16"-20" consumer grade TV to put on the unused left side of my desk where this printer is so one can play games close by on the couch adjacent to my desk.

All I want to play are the Super Nintendo, Nintendo 64, and Playstation 1. What types of video cable connections do I need for those consoles? What brand and model of TV's would you recommend for them? I'm not looking to spend a lot here, I just want something to enjoy these old games I liked as a kid with my own kids, when they're old enough.

Thanks in advance.

Has anyone used, or know anything about, this CRT?
Apex PF 2725 Premium - 27" CRT TV | PF2725
https://www.cnet.com/products/apex-pf-2725-27-crt-tv/

It is big and weights a fuckton, but my mom is gonna be throwing it out. I was wondering if I should bother taking it into my tiny apartment incase I ever get a retro emu setup. Don't know how to tell if it's good.

What kind of screen renders the image like the one on the far right?

>>7366165
16 inches basically doesn't exist as a consumer set. The most common below that is 13 (typically had a 14" tube with a bezel).
20 inchers are easy enough to find. In that size, Sony makes a number of good sets, (KV-20 series). Stick with Sony or JVC (L'art or D-series, but both are hard to find in 20 inches). Pic related is my prized 32" D-Series, was never used as a main TV. Some Toshibas can be good, but I've had bad experiences with them dying/getting a wonky picture.

But biggest factor in goodness/long-term usability will be how heavily the set was used/abused.

Composite video will be on basically every set you come across, and is all you need to play the consoles you mentioned. It's possible to get better picture, but that's a long discussion and probably not worth it to you. Take care not to fall into a rabbit hole of tube obsession like me. Have fun.

>>7366243
Probably a bottom-of-the-barrel Magnavox or Phillips 12" kitchen counter CRT with mono audio only
Pic related: a set my friend owns that matches that description.

>>7366249
Is 14" big enough to game on for an hour or more without headaches, at the distance shown in the previous pic I posted? Will you be able to see enough detail, especially in N64 games?

As for composite video, is it better or worse than S video? Do those consoles support that? Is RGB something you can find in consumer CRTs? Also, I remember that CRT TVs have this awful high pitched ringing noise which seems to be something only I can hear. Is there a way to mitigate that? I now have tinnitus and hearing any high pitched noise like that gives me a headache really quickly now.

>>7366272
This one is a bit more in-focus

>>7366243
old shadow mask, not slot mask, with rf or composite

>>7366279
From the couch, or sitting in the chair in front of the desk?

>>7366292
The couch, I rarely even play games at my PC anymore because I don't like holding that posture for too long.

>>7366279
Smaller tubes rarely have s-video. It's a much "cleaner" signal than composite, with slightly less muted colors and much less blur, but many older games are full of dithered graphics that don't blend without composite video blur. It's up to yo whether you want it blurry with transparencies and gradients/extra colors, or blocky graphics with pinstripes and checkerboards.

You won't find a consumer CRT tv that doesn't whine at 15.734khz. There are other kinds of tubes that work at double the frequency, but they've gotten more expensive in the last few years. Maybe you'd prefer to emulate with CRT-Royale

>>7366313
Okay, I won't worry about the s-video or RGB stuff then, and I'll just put up with the whine. It's mostly for my kids anyways. Thanks for all the advice, I appreciate it.

>>7366295
It will be too small. 20" is the smallest I'd go for that distance. You're gonna turn the couch sideways, I assume?

S-Video is better than Composite video. Yes, all of those consoles support it. No, RGB is not a thing on consumer sets in the US, but YPbPr (a signal from which a theoretically identical signal to RGB may be derived) is a thing. However, none of those consoles are equipped to output it. Honestly, I would recommend you stick with either composite or S-Video, and forget about RGB. Yes, it looks nice, but is it truly worth the amount of work? If you're not super into electronics, then no. (I'm an electrical engineer, and I can't get enough of this stuff)
This goes back to what I said about "be careful not to fall into a rabbit hole." Over the course of 2 years, I spent countless hours tube hunting, hundreds of dollars and hours building custom cables and fabricating sync stripping PCBs. Did I have fun? Yeah. Do I think it's what you should do, when you said your priority is sharing these games with your kids? No. Stay away, and remember that you're here to play games, not ogle pixels.

As >>7366313 said, the ~15.6KHz whine is just how it is. You'll probably lose the ability to hear it eventually, most adults do.

>>7366342
>It will be too small. 20" is the smallest I'd go for that distance. You're gonna turn the couch sideways, I assume?
No, I have a TV set up with modern consoles opposite of where it sits now, I was just going to turn the little CRT TV at an angle so someone laying down with their head near the wall or sitting close to the TV (near the lamp) could play it like that.

Thanks for all the info, I appreciate that you typed that all out for me. I'll chase a 20" Sony or JVC TV and see what I can find locally, and I won't worry about the more esoteric stuff.

>>7366352
Got it, then a 14" would be serviceable but I still recommend a 20" for the reasons listed above.
>Thanks for all the info, I appreciate that you typed that all out for me.
Glad to help, good luck hunting. Hope you can make some good memories with it.

>>7366378
Oh, two more things.

First, what is the general footprint, in inches, of a 20" set? You think the case is like 20" wide and similarly long? Secondly, is there a line of Sony or JVC TVs that have a completely flat top instead of sloping back along the side of the tube? I like to put things on top of the TV.

>go to arcade and play simpsons cabinet with cancer ray tube
>it doesn't look as good as CRT shaders

>>7366436
>You think the case is like 20" wide and similarly long?
Yeah, it's close to that. You can find these things online for many common sets, like this: https://www.cnet.com/products/sony-kv-27fs100/specs/
30x23x20 inches.
>is there a line of Sony or JVC TVs that have a completely flat top instead of sloping back along the side of the tube?
Professional monitors have this, but the prices people ask for those are absolutely insane nowadays. Just looked, 20-inch Sony pro monitors are going for $1000~$1500 now.

Either way, there is a little space near the front that's flat on both Sony and JVCs, and you can put stuff there, but they all curve back for at least half of the length of the case.

>>7366498
oops, numbers I put were for a 27-inch model. For the KV-20FS100 it's 23x19x18 inches.

>>7366386
best girl

>>7366498
>>7366505
Thank you, friend.

>>7366458
>>go to arcade and play simpsons cabinet with cancer ray tube
>>it doesn't look as good as CRT shaders
>pic related

@7366702
u got b8ed buddy

Yuropoor here. I found a free Trinitron but its a 100hz tv (it can do ntsc tho). Should I look for a 50hz instead? I would only use it for 6th gen

Any Ausfags here?
What's the best place to sell a CRT? I'm looking to flog my 20M4A.

Guessing Gumtree? Unfortunately I live in Adelaide which precludes a lot of potential buyers.

>>7367396
I've always used gumtree to get FREE CRTs. Gotten big ass Sony Trinitrons in the past. They were happy I took it off their hands.

>>7367396
unironically r/crtgaming is your best bet and you can over charge as you please

>>7367413
That's the same one I have! How did you configure your video settings? I'm never quite sure whether to put my brightness down to 1 or 20.

>>7367443
- CRTs are no longer produced because they have inferior picture quality versus LCDs
- CRTs emit dangerous levels of X-rays or other forms of radiation
- CRTs always have easily-visible flicker
- CRTs always cause eyestrain
- CRTs always make a high-pitched squealing noise
- CRTs contain lethal amounts of electricity, even when unplugged
- CRTs need calibration more than two to three times a year
- Overall CRT black levels are not superior to LCDs because ambient light ruins CRT black levels
- Analog CRTs have more processing time than digital LCDs due to poor RAMDAC performance
- Afterimages caused by phosphor decay are extremely annoying and are a significant downside of CRTs
- Sending an improper mode (resolution or refresh rate) to a CRT can cause permanent damage
- CRTs cannot have touchscreens
- 4:3 is so bad that nobody should use a non-widescreen CRT
- The Sony GDM-FW900 is the only CRT worth owning
- Curved CRTs have objectively inferior picture quality versus flat CRTs with otherwise equal specifications
- CRTs should not be used because they are heavier and deeper than LCDs
- CRTs have severe reflections because they do not have matte coats
- CRTs can be permanently damaged by nearby magnets
- Analog signals limit a CRT's resolutions and refresh rates and negatively effect picture quality
- Heavy metals are used in CRT glass to reduce radiation

>>7368402
ok thanks

>>7368689
de nada ;)

>all these consumer grade sets
has the top end finally swing back the other way? Are professional broadcast monitors no longer "in"? Is it a cope or a realization that people overreacted.

>>7368745
people are too poor to afford professional grade crts so theyre trying to sell you garbage tier sets for a higher price

>>7368745
The truth of the matter is, late model (early 2000s) consumer sets rival even the top end PVMs of the mid to late 90's. Anons will contest this, buyers justification of their $500 Ebay gems.

I've broken down multiple late-model consumer sets and calibrated to do comparisons next to a "quality" reference PVM, you would be surprised how well a consumer set will perform compared to a PVM, especially if RGB modded.

>>7368821
Horny

>>7368798
Slot Mask and Aperture Grill still look the best

>>7368798
>especially if RGB modded
opinion discarded

There's a thread doing the rounds on twitter
https://twitter.com/ruuupu1/status/1356205335174778881

>>7369958
It's all moon. What's the jist of it? Just general pro-CRT?

>>7325824
Got a second small crt for the bedroom,its a 15" sylvania branded tv and in the picture settings theres a game mode that can be turned on or off.
I notice it makes the picture a bit darker but does it do anything else ?

>>7370763

https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/e79apg/what_does_game_mode_do_on_crt_tvs/

I've been thinking about getting a CRT to play old games on for a few weeks now but then I found this article saying they're dangerous because of radiation. Is that true?

>>7369958
Left: Souless
Right: Soul

>>7373942
This page says 0.01 millisievert

https://fedorukcentre.ca/resources/canadian-radiation-dose-calculator.php

>>7374030
Huh, it actually says it's less than 0.01 down at the bottom of the page. I guess it's safe enough then. Thanks.

Somebody in a /crt/ general talked me into upgrading my SNES setup to RGB so I finally got everything set up
if anyones curious here is the old composite quality

>>7374532
and here's the RGB quality
i'm happy with it for sure

>>7374532
>>7374539
inb4
reee you're ruining nostalgia
rf with wheel of fortune ghosting is the soul

>>7374562
lol yeah i mean i can definitely see someone liking the darker more ghostly aesthetic especially for certain games
but for me its like, damn this just looks right

>>7374649
I think you're badly calibrated, or your 1chip is lacking attenuation (or both)

>>7374539
looks like one of the cheaper CRT shaders
>>7374649
If you see any checkerboards or pinstripes, that's not the developer intent, so imagine additional colors, gradients, and transparencies whenever dithering patterns are on screen.

>>7374674
its a PVM
and yeah if i was playing on a genesis i'd probably just use composite, SNES hardly uses any dithering

>>7364931
the sharpness is good but why is it scaled unevenly? use integer scaling

>>7374686
There's at least a few games that do.

http://nerdlypleasures.blogspot.com/2015/03/the-case-for-composite.html

Those screenshots don't appear to be on a CRT though.

Even Mario World has dithering on the blue dick mountains. I wouldn't say it's worth the loss of brightness. I've seen DKC on a PVM with RGB and it looks great.

>>7374721
Yeah the brightness is the main event, the sharpness is alright but that glow is why i'm happy with it
Either way it's not like im throwing my composite cables in the trash, so if I ever want to swap over for a certain title, it's an option

Anyone here have a Mister?
How hard is it to get working with a PVM?

Thinking of selling my SNES/Genesis collections due to space and Earthbound alone would cover the cost of consolidating.

>>7374779
why not just buy a set of flashcarts?

Do most CRTs have component input? Or is it just later and higher end ones? Asking if I should take the gamble to pick up free CRTs with nothing but a flurry front shot off FB marketplace. It's Sony at least.

>>7374794
That's also an option but the Mister offers the benefit of multiple fpga cores and would let me consolidate the consoles as well (space isn't the only concern, I need to pay for a surgery and I just lost my job).

>>7374779
Mister is for those who aren't allowed to have a CRT. We do not condone copyright infringement, so you'd still need to have all the cartridges to play the games.

>>7374794
This.It's way more convenient than constantly switching cartridges and wearing things out, and it enables you to play all the quality ROMhacks that exist for your legitimately owned games :^)

>>7374806
If you're short on money, software emulators are a good option. With correctly configured lag reduction features and shaders, it can actually be a more accurate experience than mister. Also, r/mensrights users are called "misters", so mister is cringe and totes not poggers.

>>7374795
Just later ones and not necessarily high end ones. You're most likely to find RCA (composite), then maybe s-video, then maybe component. Europeans probably find SCART ports when they open their door every day, it must be a nightmare.

>>7374795
If it's got trinitron tubes and its free, yeah probably worth the time if you've got nothing better to do

>>7374795
HD sets have component, and usually only the larger standard definition ones have S-video. The two are nearly indistinguishable for everything before sixth gen.

>>7374894
i dont think its a trinitron, just a normal sony set. pic is kinda low quality though

>>7374806
gotcha
well to your original question you can get an IO board for it that has VGA out and then you can get a VGA to RGB cable for like 10 bucks which should be able to run straight into your PVM
just bear in mind the mister can be an utter rabbit hole of configuration and additional costs which you might not be up for if you're recovering from your surgery

either way good luck with your surgery bud and i hope your work situation improves

>>7374906
i used to have that trinitron. its composite and nothing really special

>>7374906
Some prefer slot mask over aperture bbq. Go for it, unless you're a kid who fetishizes the visible scanlines side effect of the 240p 60Hz hack.

>>7374917
its free and right now all i have is a cheapo konka set that doesnt hold video cables in that well so i might get it just for a good composite signal. it will still look good for composite right?

>>7374943
Composite is all we had in the 90s. It's fine. There's upsides and downsides, and many like it enough to have made software to simulate it.

>>7374943
Of course

>>7373942
I think you get more radiation from eating a banana.

I'm picking up this 13" set for $15 from the mother of a former Sony employee who said he got this from work 30 years ago, threw it in a storage closet, and never turned it on. I hope it works.

Posted on another thread.

How do you get rid if buzzing sound on your crt? It's annoying when I turn on my snes. Does it have something to do with the cables? I'm using official svideo.

>>7375384
Do you mean the 15.734khz whine? All NTSC tubes do that. You could get a 30khz monitor, or emulate with CRT shaders.

If you think it's something else, you could install Spectroid on your phone and have a look.

>>7375393
Not sure what it's called, sorry. I recently just fired up my snes to the same crt and the buzzing starts instantly. It was so annoying that I have to stop playing.

>>7375417
Does it happen without the SNES? Maybe it's a 240p thing? It would be easier to diagnose if you looked at something like Spectroid to get the frequency peaks.

>>7375384
>>7375417
maybe a stupid question but are you running audio directly into the TV along with svideo?

>>7375420
It only happens with the snes. Haven't tried other consoles yet.
>>7375428
Yes. Along with the svideo. Is that what it causes it? Tried plugging them to an external speakers using RCA to 3.5mm but same thing.

>>7375438
shut up and have a look with a frequency analyzer, such as Spectroid, or just make a recording and upload it somewhere.

>>7375438
if you unplug the audio completely does it still buzz? like just leave the red white hanging

I just got done disassembling my NES to clean the 72 pin that was giving me trouble. I used the boiling method with purified water, and cleaned every game I have with 99% alcohol solution, and now it looks worse.
What can I do?

>>7375475
put it in rice

>>7333546
>Component Curved CRT
>480p

>>7368798
and component?

>>7375475
bad capacitors

>>7375457
Yes. Removing the audio jack will make the buzz go away. I actually tried messing with the audio settings of the CRT and somehow made the buzz more bearable, but still there. At least I can play comfortably. As for the audio settings, it's in Japanese so I'm not sure what it is.

>>7374832
>>7374915
Thanks for the input (and sorry for the slow reply).
My surgery is nothing to worry about, just planned well in advance of me getting let go.

Anyway if the Mister is fiddly then it may be worth just getting flashcarts. My consoles are already RGB modded and I guess I do prefer playing with original controllers. Shame I missed out on the Black Friday sale on the everdrive store.

>>7375475
have you tried connecting something else? like maybe the problem is not the NES but the TV input

>>7375475
>lol rf
true soul ladies and gents

What's the best CRT for a SEGA SYSTEM?

>>7376079
The one you happen to have, when your family doesn't want it for appointment television because they can time shift only one channel at a time.

>>7376079
People keep bitching about PVMs messing up dithering in Sonic, but holy moly the game looks so crisp when connected to PVM via RGB. I think that's the best way imo

>>7366249
What game?

>>7376359
Magic Knight Rayearth

>>7376359
Not him, but it's Magic Knight Rayearth

>there are people in here actually paying for crt monitors
>it's gotten so bad people are buying consumer grade crt tvs
lol what the fuck is even happening

>>7376762
>available CRTs on the market keep decreasing in quantity due to dying/breaking, being recycled and being bought up.
>demand keeps going up
hurr durr

>>7376778
>he bought
lol

>>7376778
Shame it'll never reach the point where demand will justify restarting CRT manufacturing.

>>7376313
Inclined to agree. PS1 games via RGB on a PVM look incredible. The colors are good enough to make up for any loss of dithering effects imo.

>>7376807
>he bought
Yes, he bought. Enjoy your free 13" Goldstar kitchen CRT.

>>7376813
True. Even if there was enough demand to justify restarting CRT manufacturing, I believe there are environmental laws that prohibit production of CRTs. Also prices would be through the roof due to the cost of restarting CRT manufacturing, production costs and shipping.

>>7376889
> Enjoy your free 13" Goldstar kitchen CRT.
wrong

>>7376897
looks like shit lmao. i guess you really do get what you pay for

>>7376897
youre not worried about the magnets interfering with the netgear router?

>>7376901
>looks like shit
I guess I'll try different one.

>>7376915
And they'll all look like shit

>>7375417
If your tube is a piece of shit and really worn it will have a much louder sound.

>>7375946
There's interference or crosstalk between the signals. It's most likely due to a shitty cable, but it could be an issue with the tv or the console. Test the console with another tv and the tv with another console to see who the culprit is.

>>7376934
>regularly professionally serviced
>low hour usage
No, anon. They all look great. Would you like to buy one?

>>7376915
Do you think you're special for looking at ebay listings at the right time?
>>7376897
>He fell for the ps5
Like pottery

>>7376979
Took you that long to reply with that? Sounds like cope and delusion. Also, you said CRT monitors aren't worth paying for.

>>7377000
>eBay
Nice reading comprehension. Ps5 is great, I skipped a couple console generations so I've got plenty to do. Mostly still just play old pc games.
>>7377008
They're not worth paying for, but I thought you might just like to.

You should never pay for a CRT, you can even find PVMs for free if you look for them

>>7377021
spoken like a true californian. You won't find any in nebraska

>>7377038
>You won't find any in nebraska
youre not looking hard enough

>>7377049
sorry I'm too busy getting my ass rimmed by your twink bf

>>7377038
To be fair, I saw an AV surplus auction happening in Missouri where a 20" inch Ikegami and other pro monitors went unbid at $15 because nobody lives there.

>>7377038
>Pfft, you idiot. I live in an empty field in the middle of buttfuck nowhere! You should've considered THAT when discussing resources that are available to the average person! Talk about egg on your face.

>>7377198
>Live in a city! I found so many 8" PVMs that I can't fit them all in my 200 sq ft apartment, I have to keep them in my car!
do city slickers really?

>>7344883
any pc game played on a monitor. finally bit the bullet and drove an hour to pick one up a few months ago and it shocked me as someone who has been anticipating consumer grade oled for awhile. after 15 years of lcd derivatives the contrast and motion is a revelation. Really makes me curious how enthusiasts adopted lcds back in the 00s, With the sharpness of a modern 1440p ips I can understand dropping them, but back in the days of sub 1080 tn panels? How were they possibly happy moving to that garbage?

>>7377021
>You should never pay for a CRT
Stop living in the past anon. Supply continues to fall and PCB's fail, phosphors decay and people trash them or buy the good ones up.

Supply and demand will always take over.

>>7377385
nah

>>7377385
lol

>>7326813
Try some ham radio guys.
Some of them are major electronics nerds.

>>7333674
In my case I have one of those generic VGA to composite and s-video output converters sold through Amazon.
From there I have a RadioShack RF modulator that does composite and S-video input and outputs it as RF.

>>7361370
Sweet.

My Sony KV-27S66 started sparking yesterday. I heard some sparking noises and saw brief black flickers on part of the screen. I looked at the back of the TV when this started happening and sure enough there was a spark around the part in the back that glows orange every time that sound was made.
I blew at it with some compressed air and that seemed to stop it for now, but I'm worried what this could be. I've heard it could be just dust, but if it were then why would it start doing this now when it worked perfectly fine for over a year?

>>7375628
I’ve already determined that it’s not the tv, as I played a tape, Karate Kid through my vcr and it looked much better.

The games play without a hitch and the sound works, it’s the video signal that is garbled. The NES has worked for a long time, so I’m not sure if it’s a bad cap or not.

>>7375240
if he never turned it on prepare for the picture to be fucked

>>7378396
ayo look at dis niggas thumb LMAO

Had my PVM for 9 years, and I'm finally sick of the high pitched whine that seems worse in the winters, and can sometimes cut in and out. I'm assuming it's a capacitor problem?

>>7378718
yes

>>7378439
Mouse support doesn't even work.

>>7378721
My monitor doesn't have a lot of use on it (was only used in a high school computer class). Could it be that it needs the dust inside cleaned and some new dialectric grease?

>>7378218
They said it turns on and the snow isn't discolored or offset, they're going to test it on a dvd player tomorrow. Fingers crossed, this is a $150 online, if you were to buy it.

>>7377849
Please reply, I need tasukete

>>7379515
>this is a $150 online, if you were to buy it.

>>7379557
just ride it till it dies, don't mess with an issue like that if you're uncertain about your repair skills.
>but if it were then why would it start doing this now when it worked perfectly fine for over a year?
what, did you expect it to stop aging now that you're using it even more than it used to be?

>>7380203
Not one thrift store, pawn shop, electronics/computer store, or anything else within 100 miles of me even takes CRT TVs anymore, so yeah online purchase is the only way to go if you can't find anything on craigslist, facebook marketplace, recycling centers, and so on.

>>7377341
Seconding the motion clarity. I have a dual monitor setup with my crt and dragging a window between screens illustrates that point easily.

>>7325824

>>7380284
>Not one thrift store, pawn shop, electronics/computer store, or anything else within 100 miles of me even takes CRT TVs anymore
There are exceptions. I used to live in San Antonio, and the Goodwill on the poorest side of town still took them. I even found an 8-inch PVM there once. I also wound up getting a pretty nice 17" Toshiba set that I saw rejected by another thrift store while I was out of town.

>>7381680
>when you go out of bounds
Booom
pheeewwww

>>7380284
just drive around on garbage day bro people still throw them out. Or ask your neighbors, tons of people still have tv's stuck in their basement, garage, spare room etc

This is more of a general analog video question, but maybe someone here can answer it:

When it comes to old analog tapes like VHS/Betamax/Video8/Hi8 what is the best possible output signal? I know you can get SuperVHS players with S-video and most high-end Sony cameras also had S-video output, but what about RGB/Component?

If I managed to hunt down some sort of tape player with component out, would it look any better than S-video? Basically what I'm wondering is if component output benefits all signals, or if the tape itself needs to be recorded with the "component signal data"? Game consoles render their output so I'm assuming they work differently...

>>7380284
Do you not have online classifieds in your city? People list free tv's all the time.

>>7381904
rgb/component were way too large of signals for them to use on tapes, all those consumer tape products were chroma subsampled so above s-video there's no difference unless the format converter also cleans up the image with filters. You can get banger audio out of some tapes, though. Professional tape formats exist, but I think in general they jumped straight to digital encoding on tape.

Hello, tourist here from /vg/. Could you please tell me if the following TV is worth picking up? It's a Panasonic TX-36PF10 weighting 78 kg. (171.6 lbs.) and allegedly in perfect condition. I already have a very decent 42-inch TV that isn't CRT, but I don't know if this behemoth is worth the excruciating trek. I'm no expert so I have no idea if this thing could play things done in different aspect ratios than 16:9. Thanks in advice for any reply, advisory or not.

Here is the user manual:
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/1103658/Panasonic-Tx-36pf10.html#product-TX-36PF10

>>7382214
Forgot pictures.

>>7382214
The back.

how can i fix this shit? so annoying

>>7382214
it will letterbox. It looks cool, and widescreen dvds probably looks fantastic on it

>>7382607
So, it would be good TV for playing on original hardware? What about the connectors, could it be possible to play with e.g. a Switch? low resolution don't look bad in CRT vs. LCD. Point being, is it worth hauling 170 lbs?

>>7382649
a euro could tell you better, I can't seem to find in the manual but I think it's a 100hz screen so it upscales

>>7382649
no visible composite (yellow connector). You can buy a composite to scart on ebay. It won't improve picture but allow you to connect old consoles to the telly. I know that there are HDMI to Scart converters aswell so you could use that to connect the switch dock but whether it will scale properly with the screen or if you get input lag from the converter I couldn't tell you.

>>7382649
They're good but it's not worth hauling, try to find like a 20 inch 4:3, I think you grossly underestimate how large those are, my old 32 inch widescreen Philips would eat the entire room and thats 37 inch. The problem is probably more gonna be the geometry especially if you play 4:3 content on it, you'll see the bars down side be bent etc. If you've got the massive space required for it and will actually use widescreen content, go for it if it's free just remember since it has 3 scart sockets that only AV1 will be rgb, the rest are for composite and s-video.

>>7382674
Thanks.
>>7382726
>whether it will scale properly with the screen or if you get input lag from the converter I couldn't tell you
Is there any way to find out in general or is it entirely specific to that unit?
>>7382762
>I think you grossly underestimate how large those are
It says exactly how large it is in the manual: 637 x 874 x 588 mm. I'm fine with the size, but what I'm concerned about is its usage and usability vs. the already good TV I have.
>if you play 4:3 content on it, you'll see the bars down side be bent etc
What does that mean? Any way to search for pictures of this? as in, what terms?
>since it has 3 scart sockets that only AV1 will be rgb, the rest are for composite and s-video.
Is that an issue? I don't know what that means nor entails.

Anyone know of an HDMI > svideo/component adapter that can do 240p? Seems the one I have outputs 480i no matter what I do, can't force 240p from Windows with it and superwide resolutions in Retroarch don't help either

>>7382214
>>7382215
>>7382220
NTA but how much is a tv like this worth nowadays or in a few years? $50? $100?

>>7383029
0 and 0. There's very niche use case, it will never be desireable

>>7381970
Don't even respond, it's ebay sellers trying to justify their scheme. I find new CRT listings daily on Craigslist.

For those who really are noobs, just search for TV, not crt, not fucking sony, just type in TV. Then select expanded area search in options and deselect rvs. So what if you have to drive a little for a nice model, it's a hobby.

Got two 20" boys today. One is this sexy 1000tvl Barco advm20

>>7383123
The other is this old sony pvm 2044qm.

>>7383123
>1000tvl
I don't trust it in the slightest

>>7383145
Why? Wherever i go looking for the specs is consistently says it has 1000tvl, and compared to my 14m4e (800tvl) its just as sharp if not better.

>>7383123
The only downside is it only has composite, s-video and sdi. But i learned that properly calibrated s-video isn't that far away from rgb so its fine.

>>7383054
Ah... not good for widescreen games?

>>7383272
S-video is closer to RGB than composite but it's still clearly not as sharp or vibrant
Still though svideo is "good enough" for me, especially when using something like an N64 where going beyond svideo requires modding

>>7383123
Are you sure that's 1000 TVL? Does Barco fake their tvl the same way JVC did by claiming they were 200-300 tvl higher than they actually were by using their own metric? Curious because it looks lower res than my 800tvl set.

>>7383103
any tips for finding a monitor? seems like a significantly better buy if you're doing emulation.

>>7383614
browsing fb market, craigslist or any local listing that is available in your country. ebay sometimes works if its pickup only for a low price of free

>>7383572
Hmmm guess I'll have to do some head to head comparison with my 800 line sony later. Still the novelty of playing on a 20" crt is a lot for me since all I had for the past year was a 14"

>>7383457
That's true but for someone that never had any experience with s-video i was positively surprised

how do I know my crt isn't giving me cancer

>>7384978
only one way to find out

>>7384978

>>7385515
If I'm reading that right, 1 chest x-ray is equivalent to watching a CRT for 20 years.

>>7384978
I bet you're still drinking from plastic bottles.

>>7385571
yeah i mean
think of all the people that spent decades in broadcast centers or security booths in front of dozens of CRTs
its not like they all got cancer

The RGB virgin vs the composite video Chad

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/800850389

>>7386128
2021-1-6

>>7386127
they both look like virgins

>>7386182
>implying you wouldn't Keizaron

>>7386127
>t.coping mutt

>>7386128
kek why did this get deleted? did you guys not see the same ads as i did? >>7386129 got really triggered huh

>>7382215
That thing is a beauty. Don't listen to the 240p-only fags. These sets have a lot of value of you do more than play nes games

>>7388529
turn the lights off

>>7388529
Is there any reason to play this on console instead of PC? Is there any reason to play it at all? Does it do anything better than the later ones?

>>7388559
No, no, and no. Only reason is maybe nostalgia.

Can anyone ID this TV?

>>7388970
Do you have two friends to help move it?

>>7388978
Yeah but idk if its even a good TV

>>7388980
ask the sell what the model is.

>>7388980
It says Sony on the front, I'm guessing the top left says Trinitron, and the glass looks to have some curvature, so it's almost certainly a pretty good SD set if it works and the caps are still good.

>>7388989
I was hoping someone would recognize it off hand so i could look up if it had component, guess ill just message the seller though.

>>7388970
probably kv-36HSXXX, an hd set

>>7389047
looking at pictures, there's no difference in the chassis between the kv-36fv310 (sd) and the kv-36hs500 (hd), so impossible to say