/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT PROJECT ===
500ml of /vr/
BETA, UPDATED:
https://archive.org/details/500ml-vr-halloween-beta
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/7271649/#7274097
https://discord.gg/F968y8Wj4x

=== NEWS ===

[01-25]Hellevator Defintive Edition is now on idgames
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/helevtor

[01-24]Hell Frontier Episode 1 released for beta testing
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/115739-hell-frontier-episode-1-11-maps-episode-for-doom-2-currently-in-beta/

[1-21]New Quake Map Jam
https://www.moddb.com/mods/blue-monday-jam/downloads/blue-monday-jam

[1-18]The Force Engine update!
https://theforceengine.github.io/2021/01/18/TFE-Update-2021-Plans.html

[1-17]Backwoods demo release
https://twitter.com/Shorted_Fuse/status/1350601620338434049

[1-15]Time Tripper, a Doom II episode with custom conent and minor gameplay changes
https://heckscaper.com/tt/

[1-15]Wrath: Aeon of RUIN Updated
https://steamcommunity.com/games/1000410/announcements/detail/4589698632264671265
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2N12cxEXVs

[1-13] vkQuake updated
https://github.com/Novum/vkQuake/releases/tag/1.05.2

[1-12] YamagiQ2 testbuild with vulkan
https://github.com/yquake2/yquake2/pull/643

[1-12] Crispy Doom 5.10.0 released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/67168-crispy-doom-5100-update-jan-12-2021/

[1-12] Shrak unofficial patch released
https://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=62008

[1-10] Progs_dump v2.00 released, a dev kit that expands vanilla possibilites for mapping, adds QoL features
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTbkLP3B2FE
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1A3v318I8s4ZtbOsW08ok7nY83mAXdOAX/view

[1-9]500ML updated with a new map for playtesting: >>7274097

[1-9]Quakewulf releases Security Terminal for Quake 2
http://quakeulf.suxos.org/3d/maps/console.zip

=== PREVIOUS ===
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0/edit?usp=sharing

TO SUBMIT NEWS, REPLY TO THIS POST

>>7337745
btw i fucked it up the news post, so next op put this link too.
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/7041037/#7043379
and its time for 500ml make their own mega or drive folder, its better to host the updates as it goes on.

To anon that looked for an origin of this STBAR, it was most likely from Mutiny - there was a lot of custom content in it.
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/mutiny
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Mutiny
No idea if he's still looking and even if he's here, but reposting it so he'd see it.

Say I were to add a secret in my quake map and that secret is area is a hard bunny hop segment, obviously an optional secret. Would you rather have the secret count before you finish the secret area or after? I'm thinking before so people don't get butthurt over a bhop challenge.

I disliked Lunar Apocalypse at first but going through it, it was actually pretty fun. I especially ended up enjoying Dark Side a lot. The end boss was disappointing but that's the usual with these games anyway
Now playing through Shrapnel City where I'm on Earth again which definitely feels like a plus however

>>7337875
My dad caught me jerking off to this game back in the day

>>7337884
Actually in the game?

>>7337741
Why skybox on map31 of sunlust works correctly only with glboom?

>>7337895
nice

>>7337741
So I think Q1RTX may be a thing, but from another engine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIOJ6QURT5k

>>7338105
btw the celephais circlejerk is loving it

>>7338105
It begs me to wonder since Q2RTX is still open for updates and forks
Why no one has made a fork that uses IQM and non autistic dependency of RTX shenanigans

>thank you, turok

The absolute madman holy based

>>7338146
>suicide today

>>7337895
My daddy told me not to be ashamed of my dick.

>>7338105
Looks flashy I guess, but I would prefer normalmaps and bumpmaps for all of Quake's and Arcane Dimensions' original low resolution textures, along with those slightly higher definition monsters.

>>7338230
Was it a good size?

>>7338146
I found this sequence of words rather inspirational.

/idgames roulette time baby!

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?random

>click link to get a random upload from idgames
>play it (as far as you want anyway)
>no need to finish it if you don't like it - it's supposed to be fun
>take at least one screenshot
>post a link to it here in reply afterwards
>tell us what you thought about it
>if you get a DM map, texture pack, or utility, etc, reroll

>>7337889
I pretty regularly shower in my shoes too.

>>7337878
>>7337889
Strange I don't remember this

Remember to protect the environment guys.

>try out Rapture custom map for Blood
>expect nothing
>it's actually pretty good
Why does this game have so many high quality user made content?

>>7337879
Lunar Apocalypse >>> Shrapnel City

>>7338275
Decimate from '99 (https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/d-f/decimate).). A dark and moody level around a small castle. Some confusing progression and poor pacing; the start is tricky due to only having a shotgun but the ending is very easy. Still liked the atmosphere and the visuals were quite nice (though a bit underdetailed for '99). Typing IDMUS27 was a good idea on my part as D_RUNNIN would have ruined the mood. 3/5

>>7338275
putin eats children from 2012 (https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/p-r/pechild).). A big dumb slaughtermap. I know people tend to hate these levels but this one wasn't bad, archviles put on the pressure throughout and there's a decent icon of sin at the end. My biggest complaint is that there are too many revenants, they really make the middle a slog as you have to kill groups of them to press switches behind them. The music is some death metal song, one of the reviews says it's a Russian song that says "Putin eats children" repeatedly. Haven't mentioned the visuals, they're pretty good as well, not as shitty or over-detailed as you'd expect from a map like this. 3.5/5

>>7338423
Forgot the image. That putin in the center reveals an exposed brain to shoot John Romero's head at the end of the map.

How's Zandro these days? Is it still just complex, bagels, and mega man?

>>7338473
BAGE BA-BAGEL

I don't know how to beat Mt. Erebus without going to the secret level

>>7338487
Good. Secret exits are the only ones that matter.

>>7338425
>>7338349
I've only played Doom/2 on the GBA and not being able to jump or aim up/down in any old FPS made for the PC somehow makes me physically ill. Is there aby hope for me to get over it?

>>7338487
you have to cross the lava and take damage if you already used the invulnerability

>>7338525
Assuming you're not just baiting (hard to tell sometimes, apologies if you're being genuine) just play in GZDoom and use freelook. Jumping and freelook will break some maps so you have to use the honour system, just don't jump onto any ledge that you can't walk over and don't shoot any switches that aren't at eye level. The purist police aren't going to knock your door down for playing casually with freelook. Maybe try disabling movement bobbing (GZDoom and Crispy Doom have an option for it) or go for the other extreme and use a mod like Tilt++ or Immerse to have a better feeling of natural movement.

How?
This shit is impossible without straferunning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--YSSUuv6lg&t=2m49s

Wait. If I want to talk about VR Doom, Quake, etc, can I talk about it in /vr/? I am confuse.

>>7338275
11GETBFG from '94. Fuck this shitty map, I played it once before and couldn't beat it and this time I had even less patience. The concept is really neat but the execution is fucking abysmal, you just have to know where everything is beforehand. For a '94 map it is pretty unique but damn does it drag. The sky textures used as a walls are pretty funny though, even in 320x200 it doesn't look like you're seeing outside at all. 1.5/5 for effort

>>7338552
Jumping and freelook do allow you to skip a lot of shit and access some secrets and areas that you shouldn't have access yet but I wouldn't say they break the map. I played both Dooms with them and there wasn't a situation where I had to load a previous save or whatever

>>7338562
Doom is Doom, and Quake is Quake, even if running on a Virtual Reality rig.

>>7338587
I'd better check first, who knows how angry vr purist autismos can become.
But yeah, thanks.

>>7338557
>Level 58
I'm sorry? How many maps does PSX Doom have? Holy shit.

>>7338646
59

>>7337873
>>7337875
>>7337878
I would give my left nut for a new sin game. Elexis is so much fun. Also tits.

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/ZooM
>mixing deathmatch with speedrunning

>>7338552
>>7338572
>>7338525
Free look in particular is pretty benign. You can cheese some encounters more easily, but that's about it, especially in Doom 1, where there aren't shootable switches.

>>7337884
Literally looks like a face Chirs Chan would draw.

>>7337741
Freedoom is preferable to Brutal Doom and Project Brutality.

>>7338698
BD is fine if you play maps designed for it.

>>7338739
BD and vanilla have literally the same game mechanics

>>7338552
One of first 5 games I ever played was either Quake or Duke3d, so not having an option to look around with mouse and jump feels too weird to me; For me it becomes frustrating quick not knowing if one random ledge leads either to a lower floor where you were meant to go to proceed, or its just a trap over acid/lava that you cant get out of - other weird thing is when I'm forced to navigate literal mazes just to pull a switch to make a staircase thats around 'small Q1 crate' in size cause there is no jump key; Its just feels too abstrakt sometimes not to notice the leaps in logic made around this limitation, unless one comes only experiencing something like Wolf3d beforehand and has never dreamed of freeelook if I'd hazard a guess...
Sorry for the blog post ;^)

>>7338750
>headshots
>imp jump lunges
>finishers that grant i-frames and HP
>zombies dodgerolling
>demon runes giving berserk
>extra weapons
>melee that deals extra damage

Anon. They're very different from one another.

>>7338761
The worst part is having a platform 10 cm above normal ground but Doomguy can't jump so you have to climb to somewhere and strafe run from that
shit always feels retarded

>>7338275
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/s-u/techlab
Techlab
It was... decent. Fun fight near the exit and nice new sounds. Otherwise it's nothing special.
And no, stupid dog mugshot is not a part of this wad.

>>7338698
>a vanilla map pack with replaced graphics is better than a gameplay mod
Ok???

Was it kino?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw7TVE4mUVg

>>7337921
>>7337916
>>7337909
>>7337902

Dont toy with my feeling anon are they releasing this shit or not?

Honestly it will be quite sad replay them, knowing we wont get more true retro stuff. Re-releases like this always feel like an eulogy to me.

>>7337879
I think its a nice chance of pace from urban levels.


And for some reason for me, the build lighting in lunar apocalypse drives me nuts.

Ion Fury as well its so fucking pretty. Only 200megs shit maybe less and you can make a great game.

>>7338685
I really loved the look of weapon sprites made for these old 2000s ZDoom mods. It's probably just nostalgia, but I just like the simplicity of the way they look. I miss stuff like this.

>>7338856
Always thought this, though scuba steve is a fag

Okay this might sound weird since I fucking love Quake 1 more than anything, the sounds, the gurgling from exploding zombies, the dread ambiance.

But I did not knew it got two level packs back in the day, shit was moving so fast I was already playing other stuff.

Hypnotic and Rogue packs, how are they in terms of quality?

Anyone want to help me test deathmatch maps? I want to ensure everything is balanced and working properly for release.

The only issue is that hosting blood requires the coordination of players and server host. Anyone know of an anonymous In browser messaging site? Not everyone wants to use pisscord.

>>7337756
Nah, I'm sticking with the archive. It's almost done anyway, the project will be hosted on that page as well (along with other mirrors).

>>7338275
Dont Drink The Water from '98 (https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/d-f/ddtw).). A bland Boom tech demo with too little health. Boom effects include deep water that scrolls and translucent textures. Comes with a story: "the aliens are peeing in the water supply, you alone are the only one that can stop them! ( award winning story:)". Great. 2/5

>>7338846
There is an emerging market for old school style shooters because of people like you, and me. Dusk, Amid Evil, Wrath, Prodeus, Graven, etc. are just the beginning of this trend. 3D Realms, New Blood, and Night Dive exist for this reason currently, though Night Dive less so because they mostly re-release and are catching shit for the System Shock remake they got paid to make and still haven't delivered.

>>7338885
>Hypnotic and Rogue packs, how are they in terms of quality?
On par and better than Quake 1 when played back to back, OST notwithstanding.

>>7338931
Too late I am already playing them.

>>7338883
>Always thought this
I knew I couldn't be the only one.
>disdain for a modder
Back then, I never really paid attention to who made stuff. I remember big names like Scuba Steve, Cutman, etc..., but mods were just mods to me. Sometimes I think it would be best for me to go back to that mindset for Doom mods. Sometimes I wonder if that's why I look back on that era of Doom so favorably.

>>7338928
I dont think it will ever pick enough momentum. Maybe I am wrong.

>>7338934
Have fun!

>>7338948
I seriously love the quake 1 engine, Hexen 2 looks so fucking comfy at places. And nice animations as well.

>>7338942
Niche markets don't require momentum. They only need dedication in their fanbase. Clearly the interest is there and these games cost a lot less to make than the AAA garbage released today. Even if no other companies take an interest the mod scene is still making content. The Death Wish mod for Blood is still getting updates ten years later.

>>7338981
Maybe. If there are truly enough people. Its a similar situation too horror movies and tv series today with mid budgets.

If statistics are too be believe I have two acquaintances ( not friends)in my life that adore these games and still play or have fondness for them.

But I dont know I am somehow pessimistic in regarding videogames. Shit just never seems to work out.

>>7338920
If you find a site then count me in, I would be willing to join the 500ml discord if you can't though

>>7338646
>The Sony PlayStation version of Doom is a port of Doom and Doom II by Williams Entertainment. It was released on November 16, 1995, and runs on a modified version of the Doom engine used in the Atari Jaguar port. It features 28 levels from Ultimate Doom, 23 from Doom II and 7 original levels.
>It was followed shortly by a port of Final Doom, reusing the same engine and most custom resources.

>Final Doom for the Sony PlayStation was created by the same team at Williams Entertainment that produced the PlayStation version of Doom, reusing the same engine. It was released on October 1, 1996, including a mixture of 30 levels from the Master Levels for Doom II and the Final Doom missions TNT: Evilution and The Plutonia Experiment. The instruction booklet erroneously states that the game contains 30+ levels rather than 30 exactly. Although the box does not mention the Master Levels, the back cover of the instruction manual acknowledges their inclusion.

I really wish there was a full conversion of proper Final Doom to be PSX-ized, because I kinda hate the Master Levels.

>>7339018
Good shit, I'll let you know if I find a suitable site.

hate how every "hard" mappack since mid 00s essentially relies on monster infighting and not actually shooting the enemies until a few stragglers remain for 80% of encounters

>>7339052
Infighting is fun

>>7338275
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/g-i/infected
Infected Area by Chuck Grant, February 17, 1996. I was having fun with the first level until it cock teased me with a yellow key I had no idea how to get to. If anybody else figures it out do tell me.

>>7339071
ofc the moment I post this I found a random hidden switch in a place I'd already been to that opens a way to the key.

>>7339052
Funny you say that, reminds of the discussion last thread when somebody said carmack did not like bunny hoping cause its looked dumb.

You can really feel most game designers want to simulate something in the west first instead of creating just gameplay. Or when they want gameplay they want you to play the way they interpret what the game is all about.

You can see this in speed runs when devs kinda get all fussy about dodging enemies, avoiding fights etc.

Sigil is exactly like this, tight corridors, situations where you HAVE to face enemies and kill them. You know. Play the game, its like Romero was saying , yeah this is ho doom gameplay should play around. Tight ammo and tense encounters.

>>7339052
I'm with you there. Infighting can be interesting, but I really detest it when overused. It's amazingly nice that Arcane Dimensions has a flag to disable infighting among selected monsters when mapping.

>>7339020
>It features 28 levels from Ultimate Doom, 23 from Doom II and 7 original levels.
That's not 59 levels.
Stupid wiki now write the whole article again.
>I really wish there was a full conversion of proper Final Doom to be PSX-ized, because I kinda hate the Master Levels
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/PSX_Doom:_The_Lost_Levels

>>7339110
It would be so cool to play the "Lost Levels" on a real PSX. Not the anon you replied to, but thanks for sharing, didn't know this mod existed.

I created a dehacked weapons mod. This is my attempt to create a set of weapons that I would use if I made a map set, inspired by Valiant and Antaresian Reliquary and others. Here it is if anyone wants to test it out. It uses extended dehacked so it "only" runs in Crispy Doom, PrBoom 2.5.1.7, DSDA-Doom, Eternity, GZDoom, and Doom Retro. I'm posting it here in case anyone has any ideas on how to improve it

https://litter.catbox.moe/1rjwoh.zip

2-Eviternity Pistol- fires fast and the sprites are low so the muzzle flash isn't in the center of the screen. Only difference between this version and Eviternity's is Eviternity's skips the refire state so it's 100% accurate, but I don't think a pistol should have perfect accuracy so I didn't do that.
3-Faster Shotgun- The Quake3 shotgun sound coincidentally lines up perfectly with the racking sprites, so I only reduced the frames at the very end to squeeze out a little more speed from the shotgun
3-VSmooth.wad SSG- The Doom2 SSG is already very strong so it's unchanged, aside from vsmooth.wad weapon animations and perk's hi-res sfx
4-Valiant Super Chaingun- The coolest one by far. Same as Valiant except the muzzle flash only lasts one frame to give the feel of incredible rapid fire, and it has some extra cooldown sprites
5-Faster rockets- Rockets move a little faster like in Antaresian Reliquary, and emit a smoke trail (inspired by 2048 Units of /vr/), but the rate of fire is unchanged
6-Antaresian Reliquary Plasma Gun- plasma gun shoots twice as slow, but base damage is increased from 5 to 12. Plasma balls travel faster. Arachnotron projectiles unchanged.
7-Unmaker- BFG behaves the same, but uses unmaker sprites, and D4V sounds

There are also the custom monsters I was working on. They can be accessed in the editor by placing things 99-105

>>7339052
Name five hundreds examples

>>7339143
Duke's shotgun is too far off center for my tastes. Otherwise I really like this.

>>7339162
I just remembered the altered imp/baron sprites are in this wad. I'll have to make one with just the gun changes

>>7339143
I really like it so far, although Duke's shotgun really stands out in this weapons mod.

>>7339018
I found a site! I'll host after dinner, need to get some shit done first. https://jumpin.chat/500mlplaytest

What unofficial sequels to IWADs are actually good?

>>7339247
Final Doom

>>7339247
Doom Zero

>>7339247
Well storywise Doom Zero imagines itself as third part of Final Doom. And it is good, and not just good, but one of best wads I've played.

>>7337916
me on the left

>>7338836
What part don't you understand?

>>7339143
Plasmagun really needs smooth animation

>Really sit down to map for the first time
>Several hours have gone by in a flash
I read once in these threads that mapping is far more fun than gameplay. At last, I truly see. What a shame there isn't enough time in the day.

>>7339414
Were you mapping for Quake?

>>7339414
Do you guys (as in /vr/ as a whole) want to make a pwad?
I have about two weeks before my new job.

>>7339453
I dunno we've never done it before.

>>7339453
What do you have in mind?

>>7339453
Only if you teach me how.

>>7339453
>not 32 maps
you guys might actually do that a lot smoother than the big projects

Did Quake or Strife ever take inspiration from WH40K?

>>7339462
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/116497-now-on-idgames-v14-2048-units-of-vr-boom-megawad-for-doom-ii/
>>7339476
I don't know. Themed wads seem kind of fitting. Maybe something with color themes? Liquid vs Solid? Sector geometry. Crap examples, I know. Just throwing it out there.
>>7339491
There's not a whole lot to learn, just learn what sectors are and how to connect them. Then learn basic sector actions. You could learn the basics before brunch.

>>7339439
Yes.
>>7339453
Soz, mate. Quake stole my heart.

>>7339453
Limit removing or GTFO (vanilla is also ok)

>>7338275
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom/a-c/cave
Cave Complex. Pretty bare bones. Pic rel is the best looking part of the map. You have to pick one of two routes, but if you pick the correct one, there's a teleport behind a door you can go through and do the other. One route consists of a cave with 90 degree walls, and the other is a big blue, extremely bright "cave". Half of the monsters I can't even find. One review said they were in a teleport trap, but I didn't find the trap. The difficulty was trivial. It's probably someone's first map. There's also a cyber demon you kill with a crusher. It's not garbage, but it's not something I'll keep around. Will roll for round two later.

>tnt evilution crashes after third demo gameplay
why

>>7339453
Only if you let us use a custom texture set. Preferably something a little more obscure (i.e. not OTEX or CC4).

>>7339453
I thought pwads were like mods, and wads were episodes, mappacks, megawads, etc.

>>7339503
Absolutely, I was thinking 8-12 maps max. The time commitment just increases exponentially once you get into megawad territory.
>>7339513
Oh, frag. Very well
>>7339520
Sure

Anyway, just gauging interest atm. I'll be lurking if anything gets off the ground though.

I'm playing Quake 1, on the penultimate level. Playing on the second lowest difficulty, wasn't easy though.
When do you recommend raising the difficulty? I want to play the mission paks and fanmade levels, and those will surely be even harder.

GET IN HERE YOU DORKS WERE PLAYING SOME BLOODBATH

https://jumpin.chat/500mlplaytest
https://jumpin.chat/500mlplaytest
https://jumpin.chat/500mlplaytest

>>7339589
I always play Nightmare.

>>7339586
I was thinking of starting a /vr/ project about remaking E1M1 purely from memory with some custom texture wads with gameplay centered around Babel mod, but I'm down for this.

>>7339571
>>7339453
https://www.doomworld.com/afterglow/textures/

But which

>>7338510
Based

>>7339673
that Biolage set looks cool

>>7339673
I've never seen anyone use those Dark Arena textures, so that would be neat. I would be fine with >>7339731 too.

>>7339453
What kind of theme? Like a DtWiDD? I'd be down for something like that. Also limiting removing, Vanilla, or UDMF?
>>7339673
R667 has some cool packs too.

Use the SRB2 textures

Playthrough video of map06 of the extra levels of 2048 units of /vr/ is up. A very interesting map with lots of conveyor belts and, unfortunately, no way to backtrack. I was extremely lucky, but I had to cheat to kill the last stuck monster. Now I'm officially done with 2048 units of /vr/.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1IfDqgTajU

>>7339673
I remember seeing some of those textures in Q2 Oblivion

>>7339196
It stands out in a good way? One of my top goals was to make the normal shotgun fun to use. I wanted it to fire twice as fast, but I think the Duke sprites + Q3 sound combo looks and sounds the best, even though you can't speed it up much further. I removed one extra frame since I posted that demo. Original shotgun firing sequence is 37 frames, in that wad it's 32, I found one more frame I could remove without interfering with the cool look/soumd, so now its 31 frames, or 16% faster than vanilla.

>>7339337
I love the way the thing looks, but I can work on incorporating the Black Ops plasma rifle recoil sprites into this. In vanilla, the plasma gun has a 50/50 chance to display one of the two firing frames, so I dunno how this will work but every time I copied someone else's dehacked it's worked so far.

>>7339586
I can create some dehacked weapons and monsters. I already remade the Valiant super-imp and pyroknight

>>7339162
>>7339196
>>7339862
The Doom 4 Vanilla shotgun fires at double speed, and has a sound effect to go with it, but I can't use its sprites because of mismatched hands and aesthetics. I can use that sound, and use the Doom64 or AntaresianReliquary shotgun sprites since they are always centered so you won't see the racking animation anyway. I'll test that out. Hopefully the increased killing power will make up for not-as-good sprites and sounds

>>7337741
https://youtu.be/vimDyzvalpE

>>7339908
That's a pretty autistic reply video but he's absolutely right to tell them to fuck off if they don't like it. Way too many people try to be author-by-proxy for mods or pressure people into doing what they want instead of what the author wants.

>>7339586
>Anyway, just gauging interest atm.
Well, I'm interested. I'm just looking for an excuse to map.

>>7339881
NVM the D4V shotgun is 30 frames. Fuck I need to write all this down and have separate wads to test it all out

>>7339908
>Too many weapons
This is a bad thing
???

>>7339908
>comments disabled

>>7338698
Freedoom is literally vanilla Doom with uglier sprites and textures, ya birdbrain. Only reason to play it is for the lulz.

>>7339161
Almost every slaughtershit map or Ribbiks-style "combat puzzle" requires infighting.

>>7339247
Doom 2 Reloaded, Plutonia 2, and TNT Revilution are all solid.

>>7339673
>>7339731
>>7339756
I actually like Dark Arena and Dark Spaces
>>7339771
>>7339980
>theme
That's a good question. /vr/ would excel at novelty/niche maps rather than trying to make something that would win cacowards. That's not a bad thing, it just means that we can make something unique and avantgarde. Crappy ideas:
>1024 units (of cumulative light)
>666 Sidedefs/vertices/bullets etc
>Berserk only (lmao)
>The ascent from hell: map that must start at floor height -666 and end at 666 with no lifts
>idk

>>7339908
Imagine malding this hard when people care enough to make suggestions about your mod.

>>7340127
I don't really like any of those ideas. Can't we just have a simple project without these kinds of restrictions?

>>7340147
Sure man, I'm just trying to play up the fact that it would be a smaller project. Any ideas?

>>7340094
>Only reason to play it is for the lulz
The levels are actually not bad, to be desu. Especially if you play with Doom sprites and graphics.

worth it

Does the UDMF map format have a way to typedef things? I'm trying to find ways to make my UDMF maps smaller (mostly for fun, since we living in the age of over 9000 gb SSDs). It'd be cool to be able to type "typedef v vertex;" so vertices could be defined v{x=0;,y=0;}

#th for FUCK Plutonia

Yes, I was filtered and yes I mad

>>7340185
Holy cow! I used to have this exact app years ago on my phone in High School, or something almost identical to it. Brings back memories of when I had my first android. It's like something that could fit in a more violent version of After Dark screensavers.

>>7340170
How about an enemy restriction, like: "don't put more than 50 monsters in your map".

>>7340194
WHISKED

>>7340185
>>7340195
damn, same here. had the shareware version of doom on there too.

>>7340170
We should agree on a set of custom weapons and enemies beforehand :) I'm working on some custom weapons and enemies regardless.
Ideas: Valiant super imp replaces imp
Valiant pyroknight replaces hellknight
EIther the Valiant cyberbaron (500hp and rockets only) or Eviternity cyberbaron (1k hp and rockets plus machinegun)
Mini-cyber by Ribbiks (replaces spiderdemon for rocket immunity, 1000 hp)
Reskinned SS as a much weaker chaingunner variant

and the weapon pack I am working on and linked above >>7339143

>>7340213
that's been done, 50monstr.wad

>>7340217
comparing different ports for common subroutines (compiled assembly) and black-boxing them

>>7340213
>>7340257
Honestly I dig that, it's a variation of the basic metric/limit premise but also allows some personal flavor from the mapper. Even though there's already a 50monster.wad I wouldn't mind making another one or similar. Thoughts?

>>7340294
Sounds good to me.

>>7340216
if you dont stop with the fucking utensils im shoving you in the blender

Can I make my pistol and chaingun have different noises using dehacked?

I find making a faster-firing pistol is a boring way to replace the vanilla pistol, so I'm trying out making an M16A2, which had no full-auto and fired in three-shot bursts. The vanilla pistol fires once every 14 frames, the Eviterniy pistol every 10 frames, Valiant pistol 9 frames. And Valiant superchaingun fires ever 2 frames, for reference. I'm not sure what the perfect average rate-of-fire balance would be. Maybe 7 frames per second, since the valiant pistol is 9 and it is still pretty useless

>>7340147
Might be fun to do an episodic wad. Ep 1 is enemy limit, ep 2 is size or line limit, ep 3 is freestyle, or self imposed limit.

>>7340423
You could give it a pain state and call the pain state a frame after the pistol sound. Change the pain sound to something else.
If you change the pistol sound to have a teeny delay I think that would work. It can't play two sounds at once iirc.

But on modern source ports maybe it can.

>>7340441
I doubt I will do that but TY anyway

This thing is fuckin' bad ass. It's more ammo inefficient than I'd like but it's even funner than I thought it'd be. Three 2-duration PistolFire actions, followed by an 8-duration state with a recoil frame, and a 7-duration state with the plain A0 frame, for a total of 21 frames, 7 frames per bullet average

>>7340467
and it also has a 0-duration refire state, so that you can't hold the trigger down and get perfect accuracy.

>>7340468
woops that picture is outdated and still has the three-duration fire frames which didn't sound good

Here is the end result

>>7340476
Ah, shit, there is no ammo check state, so I think it may go into negative ammo in some ports. Back to the editor

>>7340431
Fuck it, let's just make a tc. Everyone crack open mspaint and get spriting. I'm sure this guy >>7340467 can do the dehacking.
We just need a palette to start with...

>>7340482
Make your ammo pickups, and total ammo, divisible by 3. Unless it shares ammo... Which I guess it does.

>>7340485
>crack open mspaint and get spriting
Sprites are the hardest thing. We'll just get some monsters from other places

>>7340493
I noticed the vanilla chaingun does not have a CheckReload state so that may only be necessary on the SSG. I tried it just now in Crispy Doom and if you fire it with one bullet, it shoots one bullet but makes three sounds, hopefully not gamebreaking for anyone. I wonder what would happen if I added checkreload states, though...

>>7339530
>The Final Doom engine was based on Ultimate Doom, which loops through four demos. However, only three demo lumps are provided, so the game crashes after playing DEMO3.

>>7340508
CheckReload works :) He will fire exactly once if one bullet is left

>>7340508
Nonsense. Just don't put in a bunch of effort.

>>7340508
Maybe we should slow down a little. We're already starting 94 Protons, maybe we should wait until that's taken care of?

noooo the recoil frames cut off in widescreen. i need new sprites. maybe i can draw it in since it's solid black

>>7340182
IMO, the levels are just average. Only really good ones are from the Double Impact episode, which is available separately from freedoom anyhow.

>>7340257
Personally, I prefer the Valiant Cyberbaron, just because it was immune to splash, and couldn't infight among themselves. But since you're also doing the mini-cyber, it seems pointless to include either the Valiant or Eviternity cyberbarons, IMO.

yesss i drew it in by hand since it's solid black

>>7340509
This. It's also why lost souls bounce off floors/ceilings in final doom's complevel.

>>7340589
Hmm that's true, there is too much overlap between a mini-cyber and super-baron. All three have there advantages:
Valiant cyberknight - 500hp so it's not boring to SSG like a baron. No hitscan.
Evitenity cyberbaron - 1000hp so it's a miniboss. Rockets plus hitscan make it extremely dangerous
Mini-cyber - cybers have extreme movementspeed, and wide hitboxes so it'd be easy to 1-shot with bfg. Ribbiks makes interesting encounters with them, but I'm not Ribbiks :(

It would be possible to have the Eviternity cyberbaron be not-immune to rockets, so you can down it in 5 rockets, and the mini-cyber could still crush it even though they have same HP

>>7340593
It's a different shade of black. Your monitor might not be showing that.

>>7338275
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/d-f/fiasco2
Fiasco 2. Not sure if there was a Fiasco 1. Made in 1996. For a 1996 wad, it's pretty good. Author says he spent about 25 hours on it. Most of the level looks aesthetically pleasing. The gameplay is really drawn out though due to tedious key and switch hunts, and there are a number of teleporters that send you back to the beginning of the map, or near it. You will drown in ammo, even if you don't find the secrets. One of the secrets lets you totally neutralize a pinky encounter before you would reach it normally, which is neat. Most encounters are not challenging, but there where one or two that got my heart rate up a bit. I would recommend it. If the author really did spend 25 hours on, it commend him for it. I imagine that what he built would be all the more difficult without a 3D editor. Pic related is at the very beginning of the map, but it is representative of the visual quality through out. Not bad at all. The read me file is pure soul.
A quote:
>FTP sites: Please upload this to an FTP site near you
Another quote:
>Thanks to Sgt. Jeff Dombrowski of the Dearborn (MI) Police Department and brother Bob for playtesting this thing.

>"||))(())(())||\/||-- the ultimate felony building search simulator..."
The ASCII art is just great, lol. I tried to find a picture of Sgt. Dombrowski, but couldn't.

Going to do a third wad tonight. This is kind of fun.

>>7340615
Is it really? The missing shit only showed up in widescreen and it's the very edge of the screen so hopefully it's not noticeable. I used the dropper icon to select the color. It looks identical to me

>>7340485
I recommend spriting from 3d models

>>7340658
played with the levels to show you

>>7338275
>got 100 minutes of /vr/
Not even going to bother, I just think it's funny.

>>7340648
>Going to do a third wad tonight
I lied. I'm too tired right now.

>>7340661
I do that, and it's all fine and dandy, but you need to go through the trouble of modelling, rigging, animating... etc. It's faster than spriting from scratch, but I'm talking more like...
2 walk frames
2 attack frames (windup and pitch)
1 pain that runs into
2 death
and shooting for an overall simple style like this thing I just mocked up.
Something that anyone can sorta mimic and put their own spin on.

The textures could be made to match. Greyscale and a few accent colors to fake colored lighting. Could just make all the textures black and white, copy them in slade, replace the greyscale with colored varients... That sorta thing...
Anyway, this is all off the dome. Just bullshitting some method that might be feasible to herd cats into completing.

>>7340708
Oh. And symmetrical monsters, so you can just reuse the angled sprites. That makes it 15 frames per monster.

>>7340708
>>7340715
Or you could pick a color to make all the monsters (lets say red), one to make all projectiles (yellow), one to make all the health (blue), ammo (green)...
etc...
Again, just bullshitting some ideas.

Say, is it normal that Ultimate Doombuilder lags a bit in visual mode every time I go over another surface with my cursor?

Because I am sort of certain it was never this bad several versions ago (when it was still GZDoombuilder and (Bugfix)).

>>7340609
Eviternity cyberbaron was heavily flawed IMO because of the combination of it being vulnerable to splash (meaning it can also easily hurt itself), and having a hitscan attack made it too easy for them to infight among other cyberbarons, which made fights involving groups of them have the same problem that spider masterminds have, reducing the overall threat they potentially had.

>>7340786
some anons say that monsters of the same type don't infight, please tell me how the infighting works.

>>7339908
omg what a load of bullshit drama, reminded me of the girls in my class when I was a teenager.

>>7340803
This is generally true, but doesn't apply when splash damage or hitscan is involved. Monsters of the same type that normally don't infight can still infight if they exploded a barrel near another of the same type, and if they have a melee attack like the Imps or Barons, can in fact damage eachother with such attack.
Cyberdemons can't ever infight with eachother, because on top of the direct damage not applying due to same monster type, the splash damage immunity also prevents them from ever being able to infight from that, either.
Arch-viles have special code that prevents anyone from retaliating against them. But since they dont have splash immunity, they can still damage themselves and eachother if you or an enemy they're attacking is too close.

>>7340779
That doesn't sound right at all. It's been a long time since I've used GZB and bugfix, but I know for certain that isn't right. Slade certainly doesn't do that with its visual mode.

>>7339908
>texture filtering
GRAAAAAAAAAAAAF

>>7340848
I just deleted the config folder to see whether it helps. Sadly it didn't.

With the frame counter enabled I get drops of up to 20 when constantly moving over surfaces, so it probably has something to with how it loads the surface information.

>>7340779
IIRC, UDB uses a later version of OpenGL for its 3D mode rendering compared to GZDB-BF, which ups the system requirements.

>>7340852

Already finished the first six levels.
When does tnt evilution get less boring?
Wormhole was cool tho.

>>7340894
just turn up the music br0. let the slick jams take u instead.

>>7340879
My computer is a 2016 built. And my card apparently is on OGL 4.6.

Anyway, it's not like I can't make maps, but it is a bit bothersome.

>>7340894
Its pretty mediocre throughout

>>7340894
If you think the first few levels are uninteresting, I doubt you'll enjoy the last third of TNT.

>>7340894
TNT is from an era of mapping where combat wasn't quite as big of a focus as it is nowadays. Most mappers back then were more concerned about making maps with exploration or puzzle solving in mind, with difficulty progression not too dissimilar to what Doom 2 did, though slightly harder.
Plutonia was the first megawad to truly focus on tough combat, with Hell Revealed being the first non-commercial megawad to do so.

>>7340925
Ah yeah, then that is a bit strange then.

Soundtrack of Redneck Rampage carries this game hard

>>7340894
Don't suffer yourself through shit that you aren't having fun with.

T. Filtered by Plutonia.

>>7340680
I don't understand, it's the same shade in the png
>>7340786
I think it's best used in single encounters as a miniboss
>>7341020
ty for reminding me
I never even finished level 1 because of how unclear progression is, but I did like the music
https://youtu.be/fBJYhiAs4Js

>>7341038
Single 1on1 encounters are kind of boring in Doom, though. It's fine if its to introduce a new monster. But if thats literally all you ever do with the monster, especially if its because it's weaker when with other monsters, it just feels like a waste of a new monster.

>>7339453
Gee. If I wasn't busy with other maps, I'd love to participate.

>>7341020
>>7341038
Get a mod for colored/larger keys, and skip the sewer level... And maybe the mental institution, just because of that repeating music.

>>7340894
Dead Zone is a really good level. There's some gems in the set, though also some stinkers, and it's overall not for everyone. Feel free to skip Metal, because that map is complete doody.

>>7339790
This fucking map, ey.
>How can I piss off the player as much as possible?

>>7339908
Should add this in the endoom

>>7341115
he's right but it still sounds gay

>>7341127
it should just read: "if you dont like it: fuck you"

>>7341127
>This will probably be my last DOOM MOD project.

>It's all for myself who loves Call of Duty and DOOM.
>You might think of me as an old man, I've always loved DOOM(1993).

>I have experienced a lot of suffering and anger in this project.

>The people did the following:
>-threaten to kill
>-Add violent comments and tags to the MODDB page
>-Post lots of low-rated reviews with insulting words
>-Post insulting comments and offensive images on my MODDB My Page
>-Add a lot of BAD to YouTube videos using illegal tools
>-Post insulting YouTube comments daily using multiple accounts

>These were done by a small number of malicious people and the project has been severely damaged.
>How many good mod makers have been killed by the simple words "garbage" and "totally worthless"?

>There are many criticisms that "there are too many weapons and should be reduced" and "3D sprites look bad to DOOM. You should redraw it in 2D animation".
>Critics have the freedom not to use weapons and the freedom not to use this mod, but I wonder why they can speak like my producer.
>The criticism of "redraw the animation!" Feels more arrogant.

>Similarly, there are criticisms that "Don't include girls in DOOM!", But DOOM isn't just for critics and gender-discriminators, and don't have to play this mod forever.

>If don't like this mod, just keep quiet and play another good game.
>I don't want people who are neither my boss nor my friends to criticize my hobbies.
>If you find your favorite mod maker, don't be shy and cheer them on.
>If you keep quiet without cheering, mod makers may be defeated by invisible attacks and fall.

>When you want to criticize a mod severely, first check to see if you paid for them.

>I'm not a punching bag, nor a volunteer to serve critics..
>I don't like volunteering anymore because of the trouble of dealing with justice critics and terrorists.

>I will complete this project and return to life for myself.

>>7339994
Yes. Having to cycle through mounds of redundant weapons is fucking awful.

>>7341157
>moddb
There's the problem, no wonder he's getting shit on, it's probably all BRs and Russians pestering him.
>The criticism of "redraw the animation!" Feels more arrogant.

This guy is pathetic.

>>7341232
Not going to watch that vid but you can fix that by allowing people to drop weapons, pretty sure drla does it that way

>>7341243
DRLA actually has a hard limit on how many weapons you can carry. Having a shitload of guns isn't the problem, the real problem is if the mod lets you carry everything at once so you have like 8 different variants of the same weapon.

>>7341232
>cycle
stop using the mouse wheel, zoomer

>>7341256
You're still cycling through weapons using the number keys you absolute buffoon, I don't use the mouse wheel because mine's fucked up and often registers as double inputs.

Why Eternal Doom is so dull, I thought it was some kind of cool classic must-play wad

Here are two different gun mods. Which one is better? Both are in the zip.
Will only run in Crispy Doom, PrBoom 2.5.1.7, DSDA-Doom, GZDoom, Eternity, and Doom Retro (uses extended dehacked)

https://litter.catbox.moe/72s2uu.zip

The first one uses an M16A2 as the pistol, and it fires a three-shot burst. On average, it shoots once every 7 frames, compared to 14 for vanilla, 10 for Eviternity, 9 for Valiant. Even twice as fast as the pistol, it is underwhelming as an all around weapon, but it's great as a starting weapon, as even the Valiant pistol at 9 frames per bullet is mostly useless.

The second one uses the Eviternity pistol.

The first wad also uses a customized shotgun. It shoots at 31 frames per shot, compared to 37 for the vanilla shotgun. I can't make it fire faster without different sprites.

The second wad uses the Antaresian Reliquary shotgun and shoots at 29 frames per shot, maybe can squeeze out a few more frames somewhere to make it even faster.

They also contain the super chaingun and other guns but they are the same in both wads.

In order to make my gun and monster mods interchangeable, I remade the guns into separate files using the 2000's states, and the monsters will use the 1000's states. So for example, the pistol states in vanilla are 10-17, and any extra pistol states I need fill 2010-2017. I'm done working on the guns unless anyone has suggestions. I'm gonna create the dehacked monsters next

>>7341243
If you're gonna have a lot of weapons, you ideally should have something like this, particularly if there's many redundancies.

>>7341267
>You're still cycling through weapons using the number keys
Do you just push each one until you happen to find the weapon you want? You're telling me you seriously can't remember 10 numbers?

>>7341308
Anon, if you have 6 shotguns in slot 3, you're gonna need to tap the 3 key multiple times to dig down and find the right shotgun. This is how the slot system works.

>>7341271
It's not. In most people's opinion, it's a very dry set of levels, and I agree with them on that. The levels are intended to be played pistol start only, which would probably make the sparse and weak encounters feel less dull, but I think that only helps so much, because the level design just not very satisfying.

If you want Eternal Doom, but actually good, check out Epic and Epic 2, which draw a fair bit of inspiration from them. They're still not for everyone, but they're leagues ahead of them in design, with more rewarding and straight forward exploration, and some challenging combat to actually entertain you. Gets lightly slaughtery at times, but I figure on HMP it shouldn't be that vulgar.

>>7341271
It's an extremely historic wad serving as inspiration for many to come, but it hasn't aged well. I had a dreadful time with a lot of it, even if it's visually gorgeous for the era.

>>7340194
Which map did you in?

>>7341335
Yeah, it definitely set its footprint upon Doom history, but I think its influence is far greater than itself.

Did none of the previous Duke Nukem Forever builds ever get leaked?

>>7341274
I like the Antaresian one better than the Duke one. Good stuff man. I'm definitely using this in my own playtime.

>>7341420
TY for the feedback, anon. If you find any problems with them, let me know. I intend them to be resources for mappers in case anyone wants some free dehacked weapons packs. I know I used to brainstorm on different guns I'd like were I to make some maps.

>>7341437
Works really great with Babel's monsters. Looking out for your monsters dehacked pack later mayn.

Fortress of Dr. Radiaki -> Cybermage.

Tips: start Radiaki as brawler then see how it goes, it actually makes sense by and large played in sequence, standalone demo level is different from those in full release, in Cybermage first level is more palatable than the beginning of the training one, in contrast with Radiaki haven't used melee weapons at all, hard difficulty and keyboard-only controls strongly recommended.

>>7341480
P.S. I've dropped Radiaki around level8: Gauntlet - and by and large it went a bit stale before.

What was skillsaw trying to accomplish with these parameters?

Also, the vanilla baron has the BossDeath action upon death, but the Eviternity cyberbaron has the KeenDeath action. Are there advantages/disadvantages between the two? I'll have to do some reading .

I'm gonna make the normal pinky turn into the Valiant pinky: +2 movespeed, and much shorter delay before attacks but same rate-of-fire overall due to a much longer delay after attacks.

Spectres are just annoying. Maybe I can make them something interesting, like the Eviternity green demon. I was thinking more along the lines of making spectres into turbo-pinkies, as in they behave like they would with -fast monsters enabled: 2x movespeed and attack speed. I will leave their pain chance unchanged so you can still chainsaw them. I'll use the blind pinky skin.

>>7341271
If you enjoy exploration-based wads with puzzle elements, its fine. Most people don't, hence why its considered dated.

>>7341271
>>7341313
>>7341335
>>7341493
IMO, its not so much that it hasn't aged well (though, that is still a factor), and more just that it's a major case of niche gameplay gone into extremes. Even back in the 90's, there were people who found the required secrets and switch hunting to be a bit much for them. But that said, it actually still plays fine provided you're into that type of gameplay.

Reminder Wang got the last laugh
>Duke Nukem Forever, forever slave to Randy
>Blood 2, IP is way too expensive for whatever reason
>Shadow Warrior reboot is on its way to 3rd game

>>7341590
WHO WANTA SOME WANG?

>>7341487
BossDeath on vanilla Baron was for E1M8 of Doom 1, so that when you've killed all of them, a floor tagged 666 lowers. Due to how BossDeath behaviour is hardcoded, you can't simply use dehacked to modify its use, and will need something like mapinfo.
KeenDie is what Commander Keen uses for the tag 666 exit door in map32, after all of them are killed. Its unique from BossDeath in that it can be used on any level, and with dehacked, can be applied to other monsters.

>>7341616
Based

>>7341590
too bad shadow warrior 2 sucked

>>7341632
3 is looking to be much better, but they could easily blow it just like 2

>>7341590
>duke owned by gearbox in turn owned by take jew
>duke appeals perfectly to randy's ~B A D A S S~ aesthetic fetish (without randy knowing how to be tounge in cheek about it), on top of him having some history with the series
there really is 0 chance he'll get salvaged, isn't there

>>7341669
They've already ditched the loot shooter elements and randomized levels, so it's already uphill.

>>7340852
>>7340885
Yup, looks like a botched painting.

>>7338572
I think you took the term "break a map" too literally.

>Doom
More like Dumb lol

>>7341992
xD

>>7341992

In Doom 2, is it ever possible to hear that "wow" sound the spinning IOS cube does?
Because apparently, it's a thing but in map 30, do you ever notice it or have to turn down the music?

so, how long until we have ray tracing doom?

>>7342061
I notice it. Just something you have to get close for.

>>7337741
mapwich 2 gud

you are the best
around

Play equinox, anon. It's kino.

>>7337741
As anons were suggesting in the previous thread about a /vr/ quake 2 project.
It would be possible to /vr/ to Finish Oblivion's Final 2 maps as a kickstart, even fucking UNSEEN got one?
The addon and sourcecode are still there at moddb https://www.moddb.com/mods/turoktirol/downloads/oblivion1

the only problem is that there is no Model for the behemoth boss

"Ima ova hear, Leenard!" *SNORT*

>>7342158
fucks vixens in that game

Your contrarian opinion about Doom being?

How difficult do you like your Quake?

>>7342158
>"Shut the hell up, BUBBA!"

>>7342156
Making it compatible with KMQ2 would be nice for start, too bad that Im pretty much coding-illiterate, otherwise Id done it myself ages ago, before the TenFourMaps website had died around mid-2014 (and took their proposed revamp of the Sentinel-mech model's textures to the grave along with their forum)

>>7342221
Nightmare.

>>7341708
Nobody likes a bigot unless he's crying

>>7342235
?ecnerefer ojoj siht si

>>7341590
Is that a good thing? the new shadow warrior games are forgettable as fuck.

>>7342330
gay faggot.

>>7341708
>take two
>more Jew/Hebe than Blizzard overall.

is there any megaman style wad? like you play a level, beat a boss and gain new powers.

>>7342381
Still better than DNF and Blood 2. Also if those franchises were to get new games, there is a chance they'll be good, not a high change but it still exist. When they don't get any you don't even have that small chance

>>7341271
Only Hexen fans have the wits and fortitude to withstand Eternal Doom.

>>7342132
Played it in late gradeschool, maybe early highscool. It was cool, but not my favorite.

Theoretically related to Doom because I need to edit some doom video I recorded. I recorded a window and now it's surrounded by black screen. I want to crop it and add some text to the video but I have no video editing experience. What software should I use? I tried using OpenShot, but somehow it doesn't seem to have a setting for video dimensions.

>>7342560
Google what the big youtubers use and pirate that.

>>7341341
>>7341335
Not the OP, but how exactly is Eternal Doom historic? Not to deny it, I just don't know much about it, nor have I played a lot of it.

I'm working on a set of custom monsters. The idea was to create a set of custom monsters as a resource in case mappers wanted to use them. I'd like to add more stuff like the Astral Cacodemon but I dunno what slot that would replace yet, so here is what I have so far:

https://litter.catbox.moe/dmolwl.zip

Valiant Super Imp replaces imp
Valiant Pyroknight replaces hellknight
Valiant Pinky replaces pinky
Turbo Pinky replaces spectre (behaves just like -fast monsters except you can chainsaw it because the stun duration is still normal)
Eviternity Cybruiser replaces baron, has walking sound of Valiant cybruiser because such a dangerous monster needs a loud stomp sound. These fuckers are so incredibly dangerous, definitely miniboss-tier.
Ribbiks mini-cyber replaces the spiderdemon. Same hp as baron but immune to rockets.

Minor changes:
Lost souls have 45 hp.
Zombiemen now fire as quickly as the vanilla doom pistol
Sergeants shoot slower than vanilla shotgun but they don't stop attacking
Chaingunners have super chainguns to match the ones you have. I hate this but it's hilarious so I'll leave it for now.
Mancubi don't stop attacking until you break line of sight.

Iconic monsters unchanged:
Revenant / caco / archvile

I think that's every monster in the game

>>7342403
That's not a bad idea for a way to progress in a PWAD: give new weapons after miniboss fights. Reminds me of what he said >>7341616 , you can give barons the keendeath action and have them open up a sector with a plasma gun or bfg or something, and it doesn't even have to be essential for completing the map.

>Man I just realized, like these awesome viewmodels, they were done by James Storey and James isn't with us anymore. It's crazy
>Yeah
>It's gonna keep happening you know, as more time goes by
That's probably one of the reasons you don't see more dev commentaries like this for old games. It must be pretty depressing talking about something you did with a group of people but some people from that group are dead now

If I just put all this stuff in a zip and run it with GZDoom will it work as intended? Is there a way to use all this stuff with Chocolate or PR?

What would the bosses and abilities be in a Doom wad/tc with a level/progression system like Megaman?
Would most of them be cybernetic demons with UAC weapons?

>>7342665
you only need the DEHacked and WAD files, makre sure you place them in the correct order (check the .bat file)

>>7342665
All those extra files is because you are playing a very old wad. All those extra files are so that the thing will run in DOS Doom.

All you need to play the map is Invasion.wad and Invasion.deh. Like you said, just put invasion.wad and invasion.deh in a zip and click and drag onto gzdoom. That should work. I use a launcher or command lines since clicking and dragging seems like an organizational nightmare

>>7342697
I think the correct order would always be -file <wad> -deh <deh>

>>7342601
I forgot to mention, my favorite thing about this is it even runs in Crispy Doom. It uses extended dehacked so only runs in:
Crispy Doom, PrBoom 2.5.1.7, DSDA-Doom, GZDoom, Eternity, Doom Retro

Also I forgot about the arachnorb! I'll fix that

>>7342697
>>7342705
Thanks, it's just been forever since I've played something with a .deh file, so I needed a refresher. I got it running under prboom (-file -deh). Figured an old wad like this one is probably better played with something a bit more vanilla (I'm not a purist). So far it's really good, especially given how old it is.

>>7342601
>>7342716
Are you the anon that's been posting all the other dehacked stuff itt? It's really neat. I'll give it a go later today.

>>7342736
post the link to the mod anon
and a screenshot showing its beauty

>>7342601
>>7342716
Pretty cool stuff anon, but the new monsters breaks Ultimate Doom bossfights that aren't the cyberdemon one .
Also I think the new sprites for the shotgunner don't really fit Doom, I recommend using the sprites from Mayan Mishap instead.
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/s-u/t-maya

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsjzrXES3BU

>>7342156
dont know much about quake requirements for models, but I could make a model, textures and animations of behemoth when given art of it, some other anon could port it to game.

>>7342598
Eternal DOOM pushes convention for how much exploration you can put into your levels past anything that had been seen at the time. Think Hexen, without the hub maps connecting multiple levels together but with even more searching around. The maps were also meticulously detailed to feel closer to real places than DOOM's abstract kind of hell (mileage may vary on how much they succeeded).
https://www.doomworld.com/25years/the-roots-of-doom-mapping/index/
This is a good read overall, and it has a section (Chapter 3) dedicated to Eternal DOOM and wads inspired by it.

>>7342738
Yes. I made it modular so the guns and monsters do not interfere with eachother. You can use them separately or together. There are two gun sets though, you cant use both of those together. I could make each individual weapon and monster in its own wad so you can pick and choose like realm667 but it'd require extra effort

>>7342773
I didn't even think to try that, but that's probably the best way to go straight to each of those monsters. I've just been playtesting in Scythe since its the megawad I know the best. I didn't even know this would run in doom 1.

>>7342778
Best cosmetic mod ngl

>>7342778
>The changed physics make the map impossible to navigate properly
lol

>>7342797
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/tank-gladiator-bc67044a11a64a8c8814014c4b87cc48
if you want some inspiration, but it seems that the behemoth is some sort of flesh master/richard grey abomination by the looks of the flesshy looking textures in the lower decks

>>7342839
what about supercharge bu tango?

>>7341487

Those two states are part of the walk animation (between A_CHASE calls).... these were possibly intended to call A_PLAYSOUND with sound 98 as the parameter. Probably good that it was removed in that case, I don't think Pinkies need a walk sound even if they have metal feet.

>>7343017
Ah, it seems so obvious now. 98 is the BOSDTH which was replaced with a metal stomp that the cybruiser uses. I guess he later removed the playsound action

>>7343017
Any idea why he calls the bossdeath action repeatedly when arachnotron dies? I don't think it helps the arachnorb spawn

Also he has two arachnotrons, one replaces keen and has reaction time of 1, I dunno which he uses in his maps

>>7342778
whoever started this trend of having camera on streams/videos need to have his body cut in a thousand pieces and be displayed around the world.

>>7324287

R1M4 has begun.

>>7343173
What does R mean?

>>7343178
Rumpelstiltskin

>>7343178
Rimjob

>>7343178
The R in R1M4 is for Rogue entertainment, who made one of the mission packs for Quake, Dissolution of Eternity.
https://quake.fandom.com/wiki/R1M4:_Cave_of_Death

Whenever I click Death State in my things window for the arachnotron, WhackEd crashes.

Luckily the code still works. Arachnorbs in Crispy Doom. I don't like the kill% bug so they currently do not count towards kill%

>>7343178
It's just the prefix for the level names, it doesn't really stand for anything.

Although i guess since it shares the fisrt letter with the name of the TC, Roams TC, you could say that the two are connected.

>>7343203
What kind of function is repurposed to make them spawn?

tag666 works as intended

>>7343224
The Death State in the things window is changed to a newly-created state with 0 duration and the RandomJump action, pic related is how the RandomJump works

and the spawning state. The Thing Number is the INDEX number, not the ID number.

I'm using extended dehacked so I can create new things completely instead of needing to change existing things

I'm keeping track of every new thing created and every sprite number for whacked, so that the mods don't conflict with eachother

>>7339143
What about your D4V map anon? I would like to try the finished version

>>7338831
Give me the link for the dog

>>7343382
https://twitter.com/KamiJoJo_/status/1352332003027390466
https://www.mediafire.com/file/pl4l32cb22qg77e/Inugami_Korone_Mugshots.wad/file

>>7338831
I wasn't going to ask you fucking faggot. Hidden.

>>7343312
I haven't worked on it in a while. I was struggling to create an interesting hallway behind the yellow door leading to the lift, so I decided to play some more to get more ideas about level architecture. In hindsight, I think the best thing to overcome a block like that is to just save and start making sectors and if you don't like what you see you reload. But regardless, I need to play more and absorb more map knowledge that way. After actually trying to make a level in the editor, you see everything differently, and it makes me want to replay all my favorite stuff again as you see everything like it was new again. I can't say it's helped me come up with ideas on that hallway but it's funner than staring at the editor lol.

I think the best approach is treat it like learning to play guitar or something - you just spend 30 minutes a day practicing and eventually you become good. I need to spend like 30 minutes a day just DRAWNING stuff with pen and paper, and even if it doesn't train my brain to become more creative, at least I will slowly accumulate ideas over time, and since I'm not mapping they will build up instead of get used up quicker than I can make them. I actually haven't drawn anything at all even though I thought of this a while ago. I guess now's as good a time as any. I finished the arachnorb and was gonna start on the astral cacodemon but gettin into this new routine is more urgent

>>7343397
Nice, I just want to play more D4V levels

>>7343436
Have you played Chrono Displacement Labs and Drought?

You can try beating all of Drought with pistol starts and no saves. That will keep you busy as fuck for a long time.

>>7343445
Yes, I beated them already

>secret level set in a renaissance faire with the dead bunny music
yea or nay?

>>7342773
TY anon this thing looks sick! I had an idea for rebalancing monsters - leave the chaingunner as-is, but reskin the SS as a new 20hp glass cannon that makes the DSPISTOL sound and fires half as fast as the chaingunner. And give the shotgunner armor and the same HP as a chaingunner for more interesting CQC fights.

I dunno if I want to replace the shotgunner slot with the armored shotgunner, I like the idea of two tiers, hopefully other people don't find it too derivative, but this way you can select either one

>>7343461
That sounds great. Only bad thing I can think of is it's difficult to make maps of outdoor settings unless you're Revae. Are you Revae? You don't actually have to tell me, Revae.

>>7343461
Here's a better track for that setting, would be cool to see.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ABmzhleMWU

>>7342797
Simpliest way around this idea would be just uding the Makron's 'brain gib' model and just enlarge it to giant size with upscaled textures applied - It would thematically suplemment the Q4 final boss in a straight-forward way...
>>7342928
Really awesome model, damn shame that converting it to MD2 formal will probably severely butcher its look and detailing

>>7343387
Thank you

>>7342773
ah shit that wad uses a different pallette

>>7343554
Btw, this reminds me - is there a way to force engine pre-convert assets to PNG so there wouldn't be any problems with palettes?

>>7343557
Yes you can turn sprites into PNG but I dunno if that will prevent it from getting paletted when you play something else. I'm using Crispy so everything is a Doom graphic

Was Ty Halderman a bad person?

>>7343606
what did he do?

>>7343548
It would be interesting to reuse xatrix ending, or create a new cutscene from it

>>7343617
By the looks of it, it seems like he abandoned his daughter.

>>7343606
>>7343617
It looks like, with what little context one image gives, he left his daughter to rot in the foster care symptom, in order to do something(?) with his own grandmother

>>7343634
>>7343606
oh christ

>>7343640
holy FUCK

>>7343640
Can't say I expected that

>>7343640
american game development, bad games made by degenerates

>>7343640
bruh

>>7343640
and i thought plutonia being made by the sons of the "love is" cartoonist, with one of them having a controversial history behind their birth, was already fucked up

>>7343640
I didn't expect this at all.

>>7343647
>as of eternal this image is 100% canon

>>7343640
I thought he was joking but holy shit he wasnt.

>>7343606
>>7343640
Not surprising from the guy who worked on the abomination known as TNT.

>>7343606

>>7343715
big phew if true

>>7343715
This is dated 6 years back, the original youtube comments date 2 years back (from screenshot), Halderman died 5 years ago.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/74184-idgames-maintainer-ty-halderman-passes-away-at-69/?page=6

Looks like people went with the terry defamation stuff but the missing link here is why someone would bother continuing to lie about a dead man years after the fact. If you looked hard enough I'm certain you could track down his kid.

>>7343606
post video

NBlood or BloodGDX?

>>7343640
holy fucking shit

>>7343770
found it independently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIeRN3uZXs0

>>7343772
NBlood

>>7343640
why would you tell people
why would you even do that in the first place

You retards will believe anything.

PSA: if you are going to make a weapon mod, always remember to clean your hands

>>7343950
and always use the same skin for both hands

>>7337745
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/118804-master-levels-for-doom-ii-25th-anniversary-midi-pack/
MIDI pack for the Master Levels released.

>>7343973
mide pack fr the materlevels

>>7343973
I really hope WadSmoosh will support it. Too lazy to manually rename them

>>7344017
just put all the master levels in the crispy doom folder and open the midipack as a pwad. crispy lets you select doom2, nerve.wad, and master levels as separate episodes

>>7343640
>was 68 at the time of this post
>his grandma was 81
>grandma was 13 when he was born
How does that work?

>>7337745
Eternity Engine 4.02.00 released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/119425-eternity-engine-40200-forseti/

>>7344064
Oh, nice! Didn't know Crispy got this advanced

>>7344067
It can't be. I can only imagine he's making some sort of joke that needed further explanation.

>>7344085
Have they implemented that Zscript-but-better feature they were working on years ago yet? I can't even remember what they called it now.

is it possible to create a monster that mimicks the carcass from doom eternal but in dehacked?
something that summoners a solid wall or some other types of solid object/even a prop just to block projectiles

>>7344067
this world is evil and it is possible if sickening

>>7344152
>it is possible
Haha no though

>>7344152
It practically isn't. The youngest to ever give birth is 6, so unless Ty's mom and grandmother were competing for that title the odds are so absurd you can discount it.

>>7344152
>grandma just old enough to bear children, if that, somehow has child, who in turn somehow has child all while the grandma is still at a point where any of her children are like 1 at absolute most
I don't know what hentai you're reading but his MOTHER being 13 when he was born is possible, GRANDMOTHER is not

>>7344171
>>7344167
>>7344154
I forgot his mother had to be born

>>7343772
NBlood for more strictly 'vanilla' feel, GDX for some difficulty options. Hard to go wrong with either.

>>7344181
Fuck you

>>7343957
Btw, nothing that a photoshop can do

also, according to craneo's twitter, his pc was fixed, so he may return to that classic doom eternal sprite project

>>7344194

>>7344181

btw Oblivion's textures makes it good for future doom projects, though i feel that i saw those earlier.

>>7344225

>>7344231
also this weapon is OP

>>7344147
Yeah, but you'd have to replace the lost soul I think.
I don't think there's any way to make a projectile have collision, but the pain attack could summon a monster that acts as a wall.

>>7338146
where can I make these?

>>7341021
>Don't suffer yourself through shit that you aren't having fun with
doom 2