/vr/ - Retro Games

Tekken wasn't even relevant until 3

>>7339768

>>7339772
Dumb zoomer.

>>7339781
Projecting much?

>>7339768
Because Normies didn't know that Virtua Fighter is the superior fighting game, nor did they buy a Sega Saturn.

Talking to children who never stepped foot in a gd arcade here.

>>7339768
Because Virtua Fighter was only popular in Japan and exclusive to Sega consoles which flopped.

>>7339768
Tekken's flashy while VF is boring. Tekken was also on the most popular console in the world while VF died alongside the Saturn.

>>7339794
People were playing VF in the US when they wheeled that large turd Tekken 1 into the 'cades. VF2 hit shortly after and slapped the piss out of Tekken 2 as well. VF3 murdered any variant of PS1 hardware but uneven stages were a mistake. Namco dabbled with retardation in Tekken 4 which was also a mistake. They were playing catchup at almost every step of the way.

>>7339795
>VF is boring
Come on, VF has consistently looked better than Tekken for a long time now. Just look at Tekken 7's stages, they're all so boring and bland while VF's stages have looked lush and vibrant since 2.

>>7339768
>150$ add on necessary to play virtual fighter on Sega CD
>No other games worth it for that price
>400$ console play Virtual Fighter on the Saturn
>No other games worth it for that price
Thats why, Virtual Fighter was locked behind Sega's shitty hardware mistakes. Anyone smart would have gotten the psx and played Tekken

>>7339795
Go back to Watchmojo videos.

Flashy explosions and faster.
PlayStation

That's it.

>>7339768
Tekken is very common in arcades where I live, most people were introduced to it that way, you see it everywhere.
I don't see much Virtua Fighter, if at all, even if SEGA is no stranger to local arcades. Lack of exposure to Virtua Fighter led to its current state.

>>7339823
VF2 Expert mode at a busy arcade back in the day was insane.
With a special input on starting the game, the AI would change to adopt techniques used by players.

>>7339768
more accessible gameplay and released on a much more popular platform

>>7339768
It was the only decent Virtua Fighter clone on a console that sold more than 10 units in the USA. And even then it took until Tekken 3 for it to be good, by the time which it was ripping off VF3.

>>7339772
When i first saw Tekken 3 at the arcade, way before the butchered home version, i was surprised at how good it actually was. At first i didnt even want to play, since the first two games were so janky. But yeah, Tekken 3 was the first good game in the franchise.

>>7339768
Tekken ran away with it because Virtua Fighter 3 was stuck in the arcade for a long time until the Dreamcast port. Then the Dreamcast shit the bed. Plus Tekken 3 was itself far more revolutionary.

Tekken had a lot more exposure thanks to the popularity of the Playstation.

>>7339781
You retarded or what?

>>7339768
playstation 1&2 had a huge install base and vf went for realism while tekken embraced combos and crazy character designs/moves

fun fact, vf1 has what would be early tekken characters in the code because a dev worked on both

>>7340683
>Tekken 3 was itself far more revolutionary

lol wut

Also Virtua Fighter 3 looks like a game from 2003 although it was released in 1996

>>7341628
Virtua Fighter 3's graphics mopped the floor with Tekken 3. And that despite Tekken 3 being released 1 year after. Saying Tekken 3 is somehow better is another fine example of galloping /vr/ retardism.

>>7341628
Tekken 3 completely changed how 3D fighting games handled. VF3 added walls...which everyone hated.

>>7341796
>Tekken 3 completely changed how 3D fighting games handled
Not at all. What is this revisionism?

If anything, Virtua Fighter 3 introduced "dodge", which is more important than any mechanics from Tekken 3.

>>7339772
>Tekken 1 was the first million seller of the PS1
>Not relevant

>>7339768
Simply better games overall: cooler, more distinct characters; more intuitive controls; better music and it also helps that it was on a more succesful console

>>7341796
>Tekken 3 completely changed how 3D fighting games handled
In what aspect?

>>7341883
>more distinct characters
More appealing to a Western audience but not more distinct.

>more intuitive controls
Different, not better.

>better music
Tekken has the most forgettable music ever.

>>7341883
>better music
Cope
https://youtu.be/e01ENk6pPDA

>>7341802
cool but no on played Virtual Fighter because no one gave a shit about the Saturn or Sega cds so Tekken might have as well been the first 3d fighter people remember

Post KINO https://youtu.be/ZAEAk3wZOUs

>>7341883
Obviously you've never played a single Virtua Fighter game. The music in Virtua Fighter is way better and memorable.

>>7339768
Tekken is more fun on a low skill level while the true fun of VF start when you learn you master the mechanics.

>>7342013
VF3 was a smashing arcade hit for years followed by a even greater popularity of VF4 and VF5. Even Harada said that the first time Tekken beat VF in earnings was around Tekken 7.

>>7339768
The success of Tekken is due in great part to the great install base of the PSX. In the West, arcades were dying in the second half of the 90's, so it was pretty much irrelevant if Virtua Fighter was somewhat bigger there.

>>7339768
The success of Tekken is due in great part to the great install base of the PSX. In the West, arcade rooms were dying in the second half of the 90's, so the fact Virtua Fighter was somewhat bigger there was pretty much irrelevant in the great scheme of things .

>>7342087
>Even Harada said that the first time Tekken beat VF in earnings was around Tekken 7
>[citation needed]

>>7339792
>Talking to children who never stepped foot in a gd arcade here.
I remember crowds around the VF1 machine, there was nothing else like it at the time. otoh I'm not sure if I've even seen a cab of VF2 irl.

I remember when I saw VF3 on arcade for the first time, how awesome it looked
but everyone played Tekken at home so it's not surprising that Tekken dominated in the arcades too, also I think it was cheaper to have it since the board was based on the PSX and with all that popularity it probably meant more bang for the buck
Also VF1 on Saturn was pathetic compared to Tekken 1 on PSX

>>7342087
By the time VF3 came out arcades were already declining fast and the weak Dreamcast port sold poorly (along with the console)
Tekken on the other hand was very influential, 3 was one of the best looking games on PSX if not the best and Tag Tournament was the star of the early PS2 library, both were featured on the cover of every multiplat/Playstation magazine

>>7339772
I only ever saw Tekken arcade machines as a kid (and Soul Edge) when it came to 3D fighting games. None of the arcades I went to ever had a Virtua Fighter cab. I didn’t get to play any VF game until VF2 on the Saturn (which was quite possibly the first fighting game I ever owned).

>>7342505
Virtua Fighter 4 is literally, and unironically, one of the most influential arcade games ever created. Modern Japanese arcades were shaped single-handedly by it.

>>7339768
Because its better. Next?

>>7342359
>I remember crowds around the VF1 machine

VF1 was pretty big in Western arcades. I wonder where the series would be today had their first games been released on a successful console.

>>7342519
That's not the full story though. Sega operated many Japanese arcades and was clearly going to push their own game.

VF4Evo is STILL the single best 3d fighter ever made.

>>7342814
Um no that would be Bushido Blade, zoomie.

>>7339772
Tekken 2 was better

>>7339837
exactly. VF (especially 2) will always be my favorite fighting series but it wasnt worth playing at home until the ps2. tekken and toshinden were good enough until then

>>7342505
VF3 came out in 96. Street Fighter 3 hadn't even come out yet. You mention Tekken Tag in 99 and I remember seeing crowds playing that.

>>7339768
VF only had 3 buttons, one of which was block. That simplicity tricked a lot of people into thinking it was simple garbage. Tekken also didn't try and be too realistic and still had fantastical elements.

>>7339768
Tekken
>Ugly animations
>Epileptic effects
>Bad gameplay

How is this possible

>>7342505
>By the time VF3 came out arcades were already declining fast
It was the most beautiful game ever released (by far) back then. Tekken 3 looks like crap in comparison, even though it got released later.

Tekken: Button masher's wet dream
VF: Button masher's nightmare

>>7342008
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya8Wf26k47M
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQeumG2Gx_8
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGf9CLqZgF4

The fuck outta here.

>VF4 is considered retro now
where does the time go

>>7339814
Tekken was pretty much always more popular than VF. VF flopped as said earlier, it was on a Sega console which flopped. The arcades were on their way out so Tekken being on the winning console helped matters big time. Also VF, at least the ones I played, had obnoxiously large floaty jumps. I mean seriously just fuck VF. Tekken is still here for a reason while VF is a relic of the past that is nowhere as iconic. Literally only because it was a first is the only reason its known today.

I don't even actually hate VF. Just some posts here are ridiculous.

>>7339768
Tekken was on a more popular console.

>>7339814
>They were playing catchup at almost every step of the way.

Tekken is the best selling fighting game series, what are you even saying my guy

>>7342087
What absolute fucking nonsense, Tekken overtook Street Fighter with 5 and only just lost to MK this past year. Tekken 8 would presumably pick that lead back up since the difference is Tekken's approximately 50M to MK's 54. VF hasn't even broken 20M.

Fucking imbecile.

>>7345000
>had obnoxiously large floaty jumps.
1 and 2 did. That's it.

>>7345164
IIRC that was the case of Tekken too before Tekken 3

>>7345481
Tekken 3 was the turning point for the entire 3D fighting genre. It was when they stopped trying to imitate 2D mechanics in 3D and actually stand apart.

>>7339768
Tekken is simple, Virtua Fighter is complex. Sadly it's that simple.

>>7341796
Japan loves VF3

>>7339768
in what sense?
VF made a pretty big splash when it was released, even in the arcades over here in Australia. Granted it didn't have the impact of SF2 but it did generate its own hype with its polygon graphics which attracted various arcade goers. It was deceptively simple at first glance and rounds could end abruptly with ring outs but there was enough gameplay to keep the punters interested.
Its face character Akira felt very clunky and uncoordinated in comparison to the easy pick up and play styles of Jacky, Lau, Pei & Sarah. If the player was unfortunate enough to pick Akira at first they would usually switch to an easier character, especially in competitive play.
There was nothing else like Virtua Fighter when it came out and in a way it encapsulated a certain feeling about which way technology was heading.
Tekken which came after had its own gimmicks like 10 combo's and the novel idea of assigning a button to each limb but it was definitely riding on Virtua Fighters coat tails.

Virtua Fighter 2 showed up on the scene after and it was another tour de force from Sega; everything from the graphics, gameplay and overall presentation was a quantum leap from the original. it was a popular game as i remember it being a fixture of many arcades, cinema's, pools & and other medium businesses that had cabinets to keep the kids occupied.
Despite VF2's merits i can't help but think that it may have owed some of its uptake amongst Australian arcade proprietors to the popularity of Daytona, which was a money printing machine/killer app of the time;
By this time though the PlayStation was gaining traction and Tekken 2, which in no way had any sort of the gravitas or impact that VF2 had had in the arcades was appearing on the scene. It wasn't without its charms but we were to compare VF2 was a A+ Tekken 2 was a B+ at best.

>>7341687
Tekken is fun and VF is boring.

Things changed with Tekken 3. The series had evolved and refined itself into a compelling, competitive hit.
By this time arcades in Australia were on the decline and i don't recall seeing too many VF3 cab's in wild.
I did bump into one in an Airport lobby and was astounded by its presentation, it just reeked of class, wasn't a fan of the new sumo character though desu. I couldn't imagine just how prohibitively expensive one of those cabinets would have been at the time.
As i said earlier the Playstation had gained traction and Tekken 3 recieved a flawless home port, this coupled with how Tekken's 4 button control scheme mapped right onto the PS's controller further cemented its popularity and the arcade at home experience.
It caught on more because the Playstation was more popular than the Saturn in western countries, arcades were on the decline and Sega were probably pricing themselves out of the picture.

>>7345708
Nice headcanon
>>7345708
Vf2 was more important

>>7348009
k

>>7348065
credit it where its due mate
Tekken 3 did have a beautifully implemented side step.

Tekken is for posers who have never played "virtual fighter"

>>7342519
False

>>7339768

Tekken was on the PlayStation, and VF was stuck on Sega consoles until into the PS2 era. Saturn was peanuts compared to the PlayStation. By then it was too late and tekken had already taken over and VF couldn't catch up. If VF had been on the PlayStation it would probably still be alive.

>>7348084
>posers
>virtuaL fighter
there is no l in virtua fighter cumdumpster

>>7339795
>VF died alongside the Saturn.

Except that Tekken needs a new release every 2 years with celebrity endorsements and final fantasy crossovers to keep anyone interested, while VF5 still gets big regular arcade tournaments constantly after 15 years

>>7345082
Catch up in terms of actual quality and mechanics. Tekken started as a rip-off of VF, and looked worse graphically and controlled worse than VF with every iteration, including T7. They were so desperate to copy VF that T4 ripped off the uneven stages of VF3, the absolute worst thing VF ever did.

A better question:

Why has there never been, and never will be, a Tekken x VF?

>>7348225
>Except that Tekken needs a new release every 2 years.

Namco been on Tekken 7 since 2015. You might have notice if you stop playing VF6 oh wait there is no VF6 because Virtua Fighter fucking dead.

>>7348224
That was the point idiot.
Did you not see the quotes?

>>7348286
virtua had a crossover with the superior dead or alive

>>7348464
But they announced Virtua Fighter 6 a few months ago...

Is Tekken in the Smithsonian? I thought so.

>>7348597
It's in my local laundromat.

>>7342008
Tekken has better music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJSZqpMU0IQ&list=LL&index=45&t=88s

I never in my life saw a crowd around Virtua Fighter. Capcom fighters and even MK always had a strong scene.

>>7348065
>Vf2 was more important

I remember there was a lot of hype around VF2. I'm curiours at which point the shift in popularity between the VF series and Tekken happened.

>>7348065
>Vf2 was more important
I remember there was a lot of hype around VF2. Tekken as a series didn't become a serious contender until Tekken 2.

>>7349790
>runner-up
>Toshinden

Also a proof that Toshinden was very well rated back then.

>>7348573
No, they didn't. They announced some E-sports tournament thingy which a bunch of VF stans took to mean 6 was confirmed (it wasn't.)

>>7348267
Want to know how I know you don't know shit about either one of those games?

>>7350063
Sega's yearly profit report last month confirmed that it's a new game rebooting the franchise.

>>7350067
Yes

>>7339768
endings

>>7350110
Wow, Tekken went out of their way to rip-off Virtua Fighter.

>>7341000
Yup vf1 had early concepts for kazuya and nina

>>7351787
>what is an archetype

>>7341000
Prototype Jack, Shaheen... who are the rest?

Tekken was and still is shit, quite the accomplishment.

>>7351825
kazuya or a later jin surprisingly

>>7339776
Sick movie

>>7339776
low budget trash