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why does kirby make out with his buddies to give them food

When has Kirby ever actually been difficult except very scarcely in optional side content?

>>7321935
Why don't you share food mouth-to-mouth with your friends? Sharing is caring, Anon!

>>7321946
>>7321856

>>7321935
Never but it seemed like a decent game to do it in. Or like not difficult but at least not quite so standard fare.

>>7321935
The most difficult for me were Kirby's Dream Course (I kind of stink at that one), Avalanche (because I suck at Puyo Puyo), and getting the high score in Block Ball, but none of the mainline games were ever that difficult.

>>7321608
>game is for children
I had a fucking blast playing it at age 12 with my friend.

What they need to do is make more difficult kirby games (64 is going in the right direction but still pretty easy) with the mainline story being easy to complete. Kirby Super Star for the Wii or whatever it's called is actually really good and challenging and it's co-op.

Give it a try if you liked Super Star

>>7321608
Because Kirby games are meant for small children.

>>7322861
awww, that's adorable

>>7321608
>but...why?
Fun things are fun.

>>7322861
that is actually better coverart that the american white kirby or the angry kind

>>7322861
I'm a jaded old grizzled fuck but that melts my heart.

>>>7321608
Kirby has always been a game to play if you want a power high and destroy everything.

>>7322978
with a cute smile

>>7321608
You yse that shit because it’s fun not becayse the game is hard.

>>7321608
I hate to use this buzzword, but does anyone else feel like Kirby Super Star is one of the most soulful games ever made?
I'm sure it's partially nostalgia but the variety of short game modes, fun abilities with expanded movesets from past games (and even compared to DL3 and 64 for that matter), great graphics, cute names for the buddies, it's all great. So much charm in one package.

>>7321608
Great Cave Escape is the worst fucking part of the game, I fucking hate it and I have a custom save that has it completed already so I can just do the fun parts of the game.
Kirby and exploration just don't fucking work together. See also: Amazing Mirror

>>7324029
>hates the GCE and the best Kirby game
Hmmm

>>7324048
the only Kirby game I hate more than Amazing Mirror is Tilt N' Tumble

>>7321608
What is “having fun”?

>>7321856
Because he's a homo

>>7321608
>still make the game so piss easy that there's no reason to use ANY of this stuff
Kirby isn't supposed to be difficult dumb ass, and never has been. It's just a fun little game.

>>7322861

>>7324029
>GCE

That game was fun. Meta Knight and Milky Way Wishes are better though.

>>7323907
The DS version erased so many of the little touches that made Super Star stand out, all because of HAL having to make all the graphics look like that fucking anime since the GBA.

Now that the dust has settled, I think we can say definitively that 8 Games In One is the quintessential suckformer for the Super Nintendo Entertainment System

>>7322861
I actually want children now. I'll talk with the wife tonight.

>>7324029
I suspect I love the Great Cave Offensive and the Amazing Mirror for the exact same reasons you hate them because I think Kirby is perfect for exploration.

When you EXPLORE the map you often run into puzzles that can only be solved if you have the right ability. (and If you're not the smartest player and it's your very first Kirby game they can be a pretty fun intellectual challenge)

so you need to EXPLORE some more to find the monster with the right ability and defeat it

then you have to the challenging part of carrying that ability all the way back to the place where the puzzle is without losing your copy ability

I bet for you that sort of gameplay loop is tedious but I really liked it. Kirby is generally too easy and you can just float through the levels... but when I tried to 100% amazing mirror and Great Cave Offensive I developed a sense of mastery and familiarity with the world and I honestly didn't mind the backtracking at all.

Also have some fun music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80wM_F4SdRU&t=40s

>>7321856

>>7321608
There are 3 Kirby games that are crucial for his devolpment and growth but on their own fail to live up to its potential, only taken as a whole can you realize it:

>Dream Land 1 - The game that started it all and set the foundation with the level design, enemies, inhale and inflate abilities
>Adventure - Made the game longer with more meaty content, added abilities which became the staple
>Super Star - made the graphics better, improved the lore and made abilities have movesets

Each of them have critical flaws preventing them from being the ultimate Kirby game, and Kumazaki knew this. DL1 is a tiny monochrome game that can be beaten in 10 minutes. Adventure is a laggy and buggy ass game and the copy abilities either were always redundant with one another, or were too simple and not fun to use (Only having one command to utilize and not affording flexibility)
Super Star almost nailed it out of the park by finally rectifying all these problems BUT, Sakurai just FELT the need to not make 1 big coherent main campaign one could go through. He just HAD to chop it up into pieces mixed with subgames, which really brings the whole experience down. There really is no reason he couldnt have just made the whole game based on the Milky Wishes plot but with the level progression of Dyna Blade, with Meta Knights Revenge being a world, and so on. Because of this, the first TRULY realized Kirby title would not arrive until 2011, because NiDL, AM, Squeak Squad and KSSU sure as hell did not fit the criteria.

>>7328784
Why don't any of the games in the dark matter trilogy count as fully realized? I can't say anything for crystal shards or dreamland 2 (since I haven't played them yet) but dreamland 3 feels similar to modern Kirby games like star allies. It has a basic story, Co-op, collecting stuff, and the animal friends do enough to spice up the relatively basic copy abilities. isn't that everything you'd need for a fully realized Kirby game?

It's not like Sakurai's involvement matters since I was under the assumption he left halfway through the amazing mirror.

>>7321935
amazing mirror can be "difficult" because you lose your power extremely easily in that game, so getting the specific power you need to the specific part of the game you need can be somewhat challenging given that kirby can't block and all the powers are very limited

>>7321935
It wish there were some harder kirby games, I'm in love with the character but I'd like to play some more challenging stuff. are there any good fangames or romhacks?

I love all the Kirby games, I have them all up until 64. I still need to get that one.
Great Cave Offensive is my favorite part of Super Star. Never understood why people like Revenge of MetaKnight, that's the weakest part of the game in my opinion.

>>7322873
Sneed

>>7330987
I love both to death

The reason Revenge of Meta Knight is great is because it is a power trip.
It's really really cool and cinematic at the beginning
It has awesome set-piece battles like the one where heavy lobster blows up half the ship
All of the meta-knights are freaking out because they're terrified of you
It ends with a bike chase off an exploding ship
And the whole thing is on a timer

I guess over the top spectacle isn't for everyone but I loved it

>>7331070
Pretty much this. Also back then Meta Knight was cool and mysterious as fuck as a frenemy/rival to Kirby. Nowadays he's overplayed.

>>7331060
I don't get it

>>7323907
I really love the ability icons. The icons in Kirby games after Super Star are so trash.

>>7331820
The nes game had some nice icons as well. Sakurai adds so much soul to his games. It's a shame that he only works on Smash now.

>>7321935
Kirby's Adventure was sometimes hard for me as a kid but that's about it.

>>7321608
To make it more fun and engaging. But the series was built on its ease

>>7326272
Whatever Ultra erased, it made up for by having more content and being a better version.

>>7324029

I'm the same, every playthrough i look forward to milky way wishes and revenge but dread having to go through gce

Kirby is a lot of fun at its core so I think I would enjoy an extremely difficult Kirby game outside the boss rush modes.

>>7332120
>more content
But not good content. Mostly just reskins of existing modes and made even fucking easier than the original game to the point of being totally braindead. At least the original Super Star required you pay attention at least a little bit.

>>7333291
Fighting Galacta Knight, fighting Masked Dedede, and True Arena makes it all worth it.

>>7321935
This is why dreamland 1 is still the best. That hardmode is fun.

>>7332349
This is how I’ve felt about the series and why I lost interest. I get it’s for little kids, but if they appealed to longtime fans with game design instead of just lorestuff it’d be great.

>>7321935

>>7331565
The funny thing is that from a modern perspective, it looks really weird to see Meta-Knight do anything villainous unless he's being mind-controlled.

>>7335821
Do you have any hope for the new Kirby project hal said they're working on?

>>7336298
sorry that was meant to be a reply to this >>7321856

>>7321608
Remember that hold-block-to-win boss fight?

>>7321608
Game is easy but still very fun

>>7336298
>Do you have any hope for the new Kirby project hal said they're working on?
Not really. I enjoyed robobot after hacking my 3ds last year but the switch kirby game just looks mindnumbingly boring, I have the same problem as OP where there’s this cool underlying combat system but they do nothing with it. I’m not asking for kaizo kirby or anything actually I’d love that but I’m just not interested in playing the series unless the whole game feels like true arena. It’s not about muh hardcore gamer epeen points, I’d just get bored otherwise.

I’m in the minority though, I think. It’s Kirby, it’s for little kids and meant to be easy instead of having a hard mode that filters or upsets them. I’ve just outgrown it, better for me to move on than stick around and whine about them not making kirby for hardcore gamers.

>>7326947
don't forget 4 player coop across the entire fucking game
KINO

>>7321856
because they are consturcts of pure energy, literally parts of Kirby's body, the only companions suitable for an omnipotent god such as himself

>>7338989
>I’m just not interested in playing the series unless the whole game feels like true arena.
What I don't get is why HAL forces you to play the game in baby mode to unlock the actual challenging stuff ever since RtDL. Not even KDL forced you to play the game for Extra mode if you knew the code. Just make it a code for people who don't want to be toddlered right off the bat. Problem solved.

>>7340928
Canvas Curse was actually pretty hardcore

>>7340935
That was nearly 16 years ago preRtDL anon

>>7340935
The spinoffs in general were relatively hardcore until Epic Yarn happened.

Fuck me, I have an itch for some Dream Course now.

>>7340928
I really wish the hard modes in early nintendo games had become a staying standard for the company. KDL 1, Zelda 1, SMB 1...okay so there werent that many games with this feature but still.

Admittedly the cost for this sort of thing has increased over time, but if they could fit them into the tiny memory spaces they had then they could surely rearrange the existing assets they have now.

>>7340935
CC was one of my favorite kirby games, when I was younger I think I 100%’d it, or got close. Actually had way more content than most mainline Kirby games do.

I didn’t play the wii u sequel but from what I’ve seen/heard it has the same issues all the post-RtDL games do. I did try the 3ds games and I liked robobot, at least.

>>7340961
Hey man/ma'am, if you like Kirby's Dream Course, I highly recommend emulating Special Tee Shot. If you don't know, it's the game Dream Course would've been before they added Kirby that eventually released on Satellaview. Don't be fooled though, it's not another Yume Kojo / Puyo Puyo job. It stands on its own merits and is basically a different game that just happens to have the same basic gameplay sans Copy Ability gimmick.