/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7316298
I like both.

/thread

>>7316298
Both are fantastic consoles.
If I'm forced to choose one though, SNES has the better library with a larger variety of genres and more experimental games.
Genesis excelled super hard at arcade action games like shmups, beatemups, and run n' guns, but outside of those genres the SNES beats it handily. ESPECIALLY for adventure games and RPGs.

as for platformers, too many Genesis platformers were designed around having big colorful expressive sprites. I'm sure when the consoles were new these large sprites were impressive, but now they just make all the platformers feel super cramped and you can't tell where you're going. SNES platformers made much better use of the screen real estate and just come off as better designed because of it.

>>7316298
Had both, but I was a Sega fanboy.

Even now, my emulator is full of Mega Drive games, but I only have 4 or 5 SNES games on my computer (Super Mario World, Chrono Trigger, F-Zero, Bahamut Lagoon, and...?).

Mega Drive has crispier audio

There's no debate, the SNES, and its superior library, forced Sega to make a bunch of dumb decisions which eventually collapsed the company.

Case closed. Fucking die, Segatards.

>>7316363
But the SNES was capable of more ambitious and lush instrumentation and could get a much fuller sound.

>>7316298
SNES
>exploration-focused sidescrollers
>tons of great RPG's
>superior fighting game machine (with the exception of Mortal Kombat 1)
>more lighthearted games
>more PC ports
>graphical enhancement chips
>smaller, more complex controller

Genesis
>action-heavy sidescrollers
>small variety of great RPG's
>superior sports machine
>edgier games
>more arcade ports
>hardware add-ons
>bulkier, more simple controller

Both consoles are on equal footing as far as space shooters go. Both are equally-terrific consoles with their own distinct personality.

>>7316374
Which makes the compression even more disappointing. Mega CD was the best of both worlds.

We've had this thread 30405 times already, reddit.

>>7316389
Comparing PC Engine CD and Sega CD to any of these without addons is pointless

>>7316391
better than another gen 6 thread

To frame it as a "debate" is to give a sense of false equivalency to the SNES, when, by all objective measures, it is nowhere near the same level as the Mega Drive. Despite being 2 years newer than the Mega Drive, it runs at a mere 1/3rd the speed, not just compared to the Mega Drive, but in fact, compared to all of it's competitors. The result of this horrible bottleneck was games plagued with common flaws such as frequent slowdowns, poor AI, poor physics, general slow pace and lack of action, missing levels and areas, and other similar flaws, none of which were apparent to nearly the same degree on better 16-bit consoles and computers. Like all other Nintendo consoles, the shit SNES is best to be ignored, it being really much more comparable to other failure 16-bitters such as the CD-i or Atari ST, it does not even belong in the same discussion as the real heroes of the 16-bit generation: the Mega Drive, PC Engine, Amiga, X68000, Neo Geo, and arcade platforms.

>>7316445
Nice pasta.

>the greatest debate

Definitely the most evenly matched generation before all the consoles became cut down PC's, that's for sure.

The Genesis has the bigger and better library as whole, but the SNES has a disproportionate number of the stand-out titles of its generation.

>>7316452
>Nice pasta.
Agreed. It should be stickied on the front page.

>>7316445
>>7316465
Mega Drive sucks

>>7316445
The Amiga was, is and always will be shit, Australia-kun. It sucked so hard the Super Nintendo bitchslapped it into nonexistence.

>>7316298
I prefer the Sega Genesis because...

1) Blast processing.
2) Backwards compatibility to the Sega Master System.
3) You get plastic cases instead of cheap cardboard boxes to store your games and manual in.
4) Plenty of versions of the same game looks better on the Sega Genesis or has more blood and gore. Such as Mortal Kombat or Robocop Vs Terminator.
5) You'll never see a game like Splatterhouse 2 and 3 on the SNES. Only the Genesis has that.
6) Plenty of great exclusives such as Sonic The Hedgehog, Golden Axe, Streets Of Rage, Splatterhouse, Revenge Of Shinobi and so much more.
7) With the Sega CD add-on, you get to play Sonic CD, Batman Returns, Final Fight and many more non-FMV games that made the Sega CD worth owning.
8) The headphone jack on the model 1 allows you to hook up your stereo speakers for great quality sound, the way your Genesis was meant to be heard.
9) Speaking of the model 1 Sega Genesis, it looks better than the SNES.
10) Then of course the 3 button controller looks way cooler than the SNES controller.
11) The 6 button controller for the Sega Genesis works better for games like Street Fighter than it does with the SNES controller.

By the way I own the SNES and I do enjoy many games on there too. But between the SNES and the Genesis, I like Genesis better.

The weakest bait

>>7316534
>1) Blast processing.
I should just /thread it right there but let's carry on anyways
>2) Backwards compatibility to the Sega Master System.
Yeah, that's kinda neat.
>3) You get plastic cases instead of cheap cardboard boxes to store your games and manual in.
The clamshells are the best storage cases ever made. Shame they switched up the color scheme then switched to cardboard.
>4) Plenty of versions of the same game looks better on the Sega Genesis or has more blood and gore. Such as Mortal Kombat or Robocop Vs Terminator.
Mostly true.
>5) You'll never see a game like Splatterhouse 2 and 3 on the SNES. Only the Genesis has that.
True
>6) Plenty of great exclusives such as Sonic The Hedgehog, Golden Axe, Streets Of Rage, Splatterhouse, Revenge Of Shinobi and so much more.
The SNES also had great exclusives so this one falls flat
>7) With the Sega CD add-on, you get to play Sonic CD, Batman Returns, Final Fight and many more non-FMV games that made the Sega CD worth owning.
Sega CD was neat. Should of never made the 32x and just concentrated on the cd.
>8) The headphone jack on the model 1 allows you to hook up your stereo speakers for great quality sound, the way your Genesis was meant to be heard.
I use my headphone Jack all the time. Fantastic option to have. Model 2 should of came with one.
>9) Speaking of the model 1 Sega Genesis, it looks better than the SNES.
True but tbf the Model 1 is a top 3 best looking console ever made.
>10) Then of course the 3 button controller looks way cooler than the SNES controller.
Nothing wrong with the 3 button but nah SNES controller is better
>11) The 6 button controller for the Sega Genesis works better for games like Street Fighter than it does with the SNES controller.
True

>>7316534
>>7316589
Blast processing is a marketing lie, the processing speed difference is marginal and in every other technical aspect the snes beats the genesis.

>>7316525
You nintendrones always have to pick on the Amiga, don't you? Always the "easy target", the computer released a whole 4 years prior to the shit SNES, and not something more recent. Perhaps that's because you well know that you have no argument against other hardware the SNES was competing against?
And even so, nintendrones still have no answer for why the Amiga, despite being so much older than the shit SNES, can easily do 3D games on stock hardware, whilst the SNES needed cheating and expensive expansion chips to even come close. It's quite pitiful, really.

>>7316649
You never have an answer as to why the Amiga sucks so much ass. Not a single game worth playing on that garbage.

>>7316649
Australia sucks.

>>7316298
I tend to play MD games more, but I consider the SNES library a little better overall.

>>7316652
Cope nintendrone

>>7316661
You already drank all the copium in the world after Nintendo ripped Commodore a new asshole.

>>7316298
Genesis. SNES is the RPG meme system
>>7316338
>now they just make all the platformers feel super cramped and you can't tell where you're going. SNES platformers made much better use of the screen real estate and just come off as better designed because of it.
Except that also applies to SNES since it has a lower horizontal resolution, and this was especially true for platformers made for both consoles. Games like EWJ and Pitfall Mayan Adventure play horribly on SNES with reduced resolution and a jarring shifting camera.
>>7316615
>Blast processing is a marketing lie, the processing speed difference is marginal
Except the processor is objectively twice as fast the SNES retard.
>every other technical aspect the snes beats the genesis.
Like more colors on screen, more (compressed) sound channels, and uh..
>>7316374
>could get a much fuller sound.
Only for certain genres like faux symphonic soundtracks. When it came to rock and techno music Genesis trounced SNES and its 8 channels of compressed wind tunnel reverb.

>>7316652
>Not a single game worth playing on that garbage.
I know how desperately you wish that were true. In reality, the Amiga trumps the shit SNES with far better run & guns, shooters, 3D games, RPGs, strategy/sim games, even platformers. Sad for nintendrones that their much newer console couldn't even compete with a much older computer. How could it possibly hope to compete with other 16-bit game consoles, which were also far superior in terms of hardware?

>>7316690
The Amiga blows ass and no matter how much you cry over it getting anal raped decades ago by Chadtendo the facts will always remain: the Amiga is shit and the Super Nintendo is one of the best gaming platforms to ever exist.

>>7316304
This.

JRPGs: SNES
Platformers: SNES
Co-op games: SNES
Shmups: Genesis
Beat em ups: Genesis
Run n Gun: Genesis

Both consoles are really good, I marginally prefer the Genesis for its shmups and beat em ups, as well as Altered Beast and Splatterhouse 2, and a personal preference of the aesthetics of a Mega Drive game box and the console itself.

But both answers are fine, it's a matter of taste really.

>>7316652
You are retarded. Sorry, but true.

>>7316696
Shhhht, adults are talking.

>>7316298
Not really. I just had more than one friend
>go to Anthony's house
>play Sonic 2 and Road Rash and Mutant League
>go to DJ's house
>play Donkey Kong Country and Zelda 3 and Kirby Superstar

>struggle to find any store selling NES games a ten year old can afford because my parents won't buy either new console

>>7316690
i cant even remember one amiga game

>>7316707
>>7316713
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBUsFjQUMiQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOeCh2kOoqo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb6VvtAcmb8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmN4Rn4Ej6Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgQEI9p-1dM

Behold the power of the Amiga!

>>7316652
Stay mad Nintoddler

>>7316589
Yeah, the 32X was a mistake. Which is why I didn't include the 32X in my list. And I agree SNES had plenty of great exclusives too.

>>7316615
SNES can hardly replicate the speed that the Genesis can pull off. I've compared the two a lot and Genesis has the upper hand on speed. There are other things that Genesis did better than the SNES. For example on some multiplat titles, Genesis had better picture resolution than the SNES.

>>7316729
How many times are you gonna reply to my post, Australia?

>>7316725
>cherry picking
Nintoddler all out of arguments

>>7316746
I would say that finding a playable Amiga game is cherrypicking but ones yet to be seen.

>>7316750
Nintodler mad as hell

>>7316753
Why would I be mad exactly? The Amiga having zero games worth playing doesn't effect me at all. That fact really did a number on you however.

All it takes is for one to mention the ways in which even the Amiga has the shit SNES beaten, for the nintendrones to go into complete meltdown, a lovely spectacle to behold. Alas, this thread is not about the myriad of ways the 4 years older Amiga has the shit SNES thoroughly beaten, it is about the myriad of ways the 2 years older Mega Drive has the shit SNES thoroughly beaten.

>>7316298
SNES is better

>>7316765
Not an argument

>>7316764
All it takes is one mention of Chadtendo to send Australia-kun into autism overdrive. No matter how much he seethes one fact will always remain: the Amiga has no games.

>>7316773
Who the fuck picks the Amiga over the SNES or MS-DOS?

>>7316773
You still have no arguments m8

>>7316784
One very autistic individual on /vr/ who has the worlds largest hateboner for Chadtendo after they utterly decimated the Amiga effortlessly.
>>7316786
You still have no games m8

>>7316792
More than you for sure huehuehue

>>7316734
actual sega fan cope

>>7316298
One thing that isn't a debate is that the Yankeestan SNES is objective ugly.

Undeniable fact.

>>7316652
When you say that the Amiga lacks any games worth playing, how do you judge that? Does that include RPGs and Point and Clicks, or are you only referring to platformers? And then if you get down to platformers, do they have to be fast, slow? Linear, non-linear? Cinematic?

People have differences between what they're looking for in a game. If you try to be more specific, we can help you find a game you might enjoy.

>>7316835
The cartridges are even worse. Amusingly we had a lot of them in Europe (playing with an adapter).

Behold, Street Fighter 2 on the mighty Amiga. Running at all of 5 FPS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb6VvtAcmb8

>>7317041
>still deflecting to the Amiga because he has zero defense for why the shit SNES is so utterly worse than the Mega Drive
>still not even making a valid case against the Amiga
How fucking pitiful are nintendrones?

>>7316298
I honestly feel bad if you were a SEGA kid. being an idort was great, but just being pure nintendo was 10000x better than being pure sega.

>>7317060
>screenshot of the quintessential namedropcore game for Genesis
Get new material man. And how about some actually animated webms instead of still images? Or would that expose Cotton's choppy performance?

>>7317069
at least you didn't missed most of the best games ever that would go and inspire gaming ever after if you were a snes kid.

It must have hurt you know, and even after getting shafted, they went and bouth the shitty add on scams and choose the saturn over the psx or N64, how sad is that? imagine being so deprived of actual good games, the same games everyone talks about 30 years later because they changed gaming forever, just wow...

>>7317080
You see these games all the time because they work. They are perfect examples of the Mega Drive massively outperforming the shit SNES, offering what it cannot: fun, fast-paced, action-packed games that aren't designed for very young children. Sooner or later you're going to have to deal with the fact that the SNES, quite simply, is poor, has aged like milk, and is best skipped for the myriad of far better 16-bit options.

>>7316298
SNES is childhood.
Genesis is adulthood.

>>7316678
why would you even play Pitfall Mayan Adventure in the first place?

>>7317117
>Genesis is adulthood
>Just arcade shit for spaz kids
no, other way around kiddo

>>7316304
this

>>7317090
>imagine being so deprived of actual good games, the same games everyone talks about 30 years later because they changed gaming forever, just wow...
>MARIOOOOOOO
>ZELDAAAAAAAA
The only one for whom those childish Nintendo games were influential, was Nintendo themselves.

>>7317117
>SNES is childhood.
>Genesis is teenagehood.
>SNES is adulthood.

>>7316298
The Genesis is on par with the NES, not the SNES. On that matter, the NES was better.

>>7317164
>SOOONICCCC
>SHITTY FORGETABLE ARCADE POOORTS

They are both good but I wish the MD was more popular in Japan.

>>7317202
But the Snes has no SOOOIIINIC

i really don't see why you would prefer one system over the other when you can play either one very easily in modern times.

>>7317113
Meanwhile, in the real world, the SNES is the only 16 bit console anyone remembers while the genesis, and sega as a company is dead and forgotten

>>7317280
b-b-but everyone remembers Comix zone and Sonic is still the best game series ever!

>>7317280
both consoles had plenty of good games. i don't see why this is so hard to swallow?

>>7317258
Snes has better sonic games.

>>7317090
i went from nes, snes, n64, ps2, 360. friends had all the extra consoles and at the 360 is when i started buying more than one console. i say i did pretty well picking the best consoles each generation.

>>7316363
If by crisper you mean "sounds more like robot shit fart doodoo" you are correct

>>7317280
That's because Mario and Zelda still get quality new games today, while Sega is ignoring almost its entire old library except for making some new mediocre Sonic games every once a while.

Streets of Rage, one of the most well known series on the Megadrive, took 25 fucking years to get a sequel. But when was the last Ecco game? Or Ristar, Comix Zone, Vectorman, Ranger X, Eternal Champions, Golden Axe, and so on?

>>7317060
>still not even making a valid case against the Amiga
Fuckin wut? Are you blind lol

>>7317280
A sensitive topic for anon.

>>7317247
Picrel made me lol so hard.

>>7317060
>>7317113

FIVE

FRAMES

PER

SECOND

>>7317429
>the arcade hit
Not only no one gives a shit about the arcade, but the SNES game is completely different lol

I own both and genesis sucks.
Sega has always been cheap crap put out there to make a quick buck. Sonic games were the only good games for genesis.

If I find out someone likes that better than the SNES then I think less of them as a person because they obviously have shit taste.

>>7316835
American SNES is the best, it's not some cucked 50hz PAL shit and can play Super Famicom games if you break off two small pieces of plastic.

>>7316715
>tfw had both machines growing up
mostly because they were actually my older brothers' systems handed me down after they got an N64 and PS1

>>7316298
the SNES has better graphics and (often) better music, and it has a lot of big-name mega hits

but like, I don't actually feel like playing most of the big first party Nintendo releases like Link to the Past or Super Metroid terribly often, while I'll pop in Shadow Dancer, Outrun, Gunstar Heroes, or S3&K or something regularly
and then a lot of multiplat games were better on Genesis because of the higher resolution and more familiar CPU, a lot of games were written with the Genesis as the lead platform and ported over

>>7317080
I love Panorama Cotton, but god damn, that framerate is rough. Very fun game though.

>>7316678
>twice as fast
the SNES's CPU is not actually quite that slow, mostly because the 68k doesn't do as much per clock cycle as the 65c816
the fact that it slows down from full speed when doing various memory accesses does hurt it though

SMEGMA SOOOSTEM

>>7316374
It could represent a lot of instruments, but didn't have the sound memory to do any of them justice. In contrast, the Genesis has bright, clear, live synthesized audio... but extreme developer laziness meant that a lot of Genesis games sound like pure ass.
in particular, there is zero reason why GEMS should be considered a bad sound driver and was entirely designed to allow the composer to quickly and easily be able to know what the song is going to sound like
the FM patch editor isn't terribly complicated to use, and you can get an idea of what each of the parameters does by modifying it in real time

but like, everyone who used it just threw on the default instruments that were slapped together in a few minutes for their imported General MIDI sound data (because that was the other big advantage -- you could just use your normal MIDI equipment and software to compose, and then import that into GEMS without hassle)

>>7318343
There are some good GEMS soundtracks, not that many though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNv9AGTHe_0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQnDpvzyzt0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR_U_-g6scg&t=108s

>>7318240
Stop posting.

>>7317080
>Cotton's choppy performance
This is not starfucks

>>7317280
Reality: people in the real world only know mario and sonic at most. Imagine thinking anyone cares about metroid, fzero or any of those generic rpgs

>>7316802
False. But I can tell you're a salty Nintendrone because I spoke the truth.

>>7316298
Nintendo won this gen and the previous one. But they lost almost every gen that came after.

>>7316298
If I HAD to pick only one gonna have to go with Sega, there are some snes games I would really miss though (tetris attack, zelda, metroid, harvest moon)

OMG SUPERINO NINTENDERINO HAS MOST SOUL

The good SNES games never released here, we never got Secret of Mana, Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy "3", etc, Nintendo shit the bed when it came to PAL territories, leaving Sega to dominate.
I don't understand why, there was a NES in every home because of Super Mario Bros 3, they knew there was a market.

>>7318407
Also these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0mEtNk1wBE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCq4K4aFEHY

>>7318937
Secret of Mana was released in Europe desu. But it's true that Square forgot us for many top releases.

>>7318956
it's not just square, thanks to G*rmans, we couldn't have Contra

>>7317429
>Sonic Blast Man
Sorry you didn't get Sonic Blast Processing on your machine

>>7318937
>>7318960
You also got Soul Blazer, Illusion of Gaia/Time, and Terranigga

>>7318965
I never once saw these on sale here, same with secret of mana. They were really pushing mascot platformers and Mario Kart. Even the rental stores didn't carry those. I remember really wanting to get a copy of ActRaiser for my birthday and having to settle for the snes version of Sim City, the selections here were minimal.

>>7318982
In France I had bros who owned Soul Blazer and Secret of Mana for sure. But these were not the most popular games out there.

>>7318046
>Sonic games were the only good games for genesis.
>thinks he has the right to judge other's taste after saying this
Embarrassing honestly.

>>7316298
Two great systems, spoiled for choice. Only a retard would limit themselves by fanboying for one system. Only a retarded sub-human cretin type creature would still be fanboying for one system in 2021.

>>7319813
Idort

>>7316298
>snes instead of super famicom
ngmi

>>7316304
I think snes had more quality games so i'll choose that but not by a lot

If I had to choose by pure hardware, I could be fooled into taking Genesis. The color display difference and selection is astronomical and the sound limitations are severe, don't get me wrong, but it runs twice as fast at minimum so that's hard to beat for pure fluid gameplay.

Ultimately it didn't matter though. The SNES just had the games. Whether they were paid-off or genuinely thought it was better, more and better developers worked on games for SNES. It wasn't a 5x discrepancy like the next gen would be between the PSX and all competitors combined, but the SNES still had over 2x the games developed for it as the Genesis, so inevitably the true gems were also more plentiful.

>>7316298
both are great but I'm more interested in potentially collecting Genesis than I am SNES as there's more interesting Hardware related things to collect and display for the Genesis than SNES

>>7322713
>as there's more interesting Hardware related things to collect and display
>to collect and display
> display
I hope you die of fucking cancer, you poser

>>7316298
snes might be objectively superior but genesis had more heart and soul

The genesis controller was a dog shit.

>>7322694
this is why I said this >>7317251, if the MD was more popular in japan and maybe they fixed the limited colors the library would've been incredible, but it's still good as is

>>7316298
SNES is far better overall, but the few great games that the Genesis does have make it worthy of being in your collection as well. Same as PS1 vs N64, or PS2 vs Dreamcast.

>>7316678
Why would you play soulless western shovelware on the console with Nintendo/Square/Capcom/Konami games anyways?

>>7316363
>Mega Drive has crispier audio
So did the Atari 2600

>>7316298
Every single e-celeb that knows their stuff and old school gamer who owned a SNES or Mega Drive and has gone back to play both libraries agrees Mega Drive was the superior system. Better library and a more powerful system.

@7323108
[citation needed]
Also
>using e-celebs to measure something's worth
This must be bait so I'm not giving you a (You)

>>7316363
>>7316374
I'd say it's a trade off. The Genesis had excellent bass and was more suited to rhythm. The SNES had a cleaner sound and was better with melodies. At their worst, the Genesis sounded harsh and tinny and the SNES sounded bland and mushy.

>>7317251
PCE ruined MD's chances in Japan and the reverse was true in the West.

Fortunately for SEGA, the Genesis immense success forced japanese devs to develop for it aiming western audiences.

>>7316304
this
>Saturday night 1992
>Sleep over at BFF
>Mystical Ninja for SNES
>Shadowrun for Sega Genesis
>a Pie and garlic knots with a 2 liter of Dr Pepper
>Star Trek TOS at midnight on channel 11
>Tom Baker Dr. Who at 1am on NJN
>2 am Skinamax
goodtimes.
good times

SNES supports S-Video. Genesis does not, and it actually looks worse when you don't use fucking composite. I rest my case.