/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT PROJECT ===
500ml of /vr/
BETA, UPDATED:
https://archive.org/details/500ml-vr-halloween-beta
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/7041037/#7043379
https://discord.gg/F968y8Wj4x

=== NEWS ===
[1-17]Backwoods demo release
https://twitter.com/Shorted_Fuse/status/1350601620338434049

[1-15]Time Tripper, a Doom II episode with custom conent and minor gameplay changes
https://heckscaper.com/tt/

[1-15]Wrath: Aeon of RUIN Updated
https://steamcommunity.com/games/1000410/announcements/detail/4589698632264671265
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2N12cxEXVs

[1-13] vkQuake updated
https://github.com/Novum/vkQuake/releases/tag/1.05.2

[1-12] YamagiQ2 testbuild with vulkan
https://github.com/yquake2/yquake2/pull/643

[1-12] Crispy Doom 5.10.0 released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/67168-crispy-doom-5100-update-jan-12-2021/

[1-12] Shrak unofficial patch released
https://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=62008

[1-10] Progs_dump v2.00 released, a dev kit that expands vanilla possibilites for mapping, adds QoL features
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTbkLP3B2FE
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1A3v318I8s4ZtbOsW08ok7nY83mAXdOAX/view

[1-9]500ML updated with a new map for playtesting: >>7274097

[1-9]Quakewulf releases Security Terminal for Quake 2
http://quakeulf.suxos.org/3d/maps/console.zip

[1-8] Woof version 3.1.0 released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/112333-this-is-woof-310-jan-08-2021-updated-winmbf/

[1-7] Corruption Cards updated to 1.0
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=67939&p=1178053#p1178053

[1-6] Another anon shares a map they made for a larger project (Limit removing, MAP09 slot)
https://www.mediafire.com/file/2ivjew3sw4uipgf/hf09.wad/file

[1-6] Anon shares a WIP map, looking for feedback (ZDoom compatible)
https://files.catbox.moe/yk5fc1.wad

=== PREVIOUS ===
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0/edit?usp=sharing

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First for Marathon is superior

NIGGER

dumb question... does anyone know what this is from?

>>7301993
e1m1 ;)

>>7301993
The bike game or the level?
Couldn't tell you what the bike game is but the level is definently E1M1.

nth for Quake/UT dueling

>>7301993
Looks like Descenders

>>7301935
GLORIOUS RIBBIKS

YES

NICE OP

HERE'S THE MUSIC TO MAP 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y69QR7wb7mI

does ribbiks really have a phd lol

i like metadoom

this is how i market rekkr.
on a dedicated shitposting thread on the internet boogieman.
and ass

>>7302083
what is that?

>>7302083
based?

>>7302087
a enemy, its a secret don't tell ne1
>>7302090
on what?

why is doom_txt so bland, nowadays?
they rarely post but when they do, it's the lamest fucking shit
like, there has to be a lot of interesting from about doom to post, in a meme doom account

>>7302090
Seems based.

>>7302098
Owning the libs.

>>7302083
That booty reminds me of Adon. I wish Turok dev didn't die :(

Man I loved playing SOF1 again, its a bit linear and jank here and there, but damn that heavy machine gun bullet chain jiggle and how powerful the guns feel.
And all the 80s action flick locations, fuck yeah sudanese warlord slaughter house map hiding a missile factory.
Kinda shit we now these days have much better engines to realize this shit and nobody does anything.

Waiting for Sin and Kingpin reloaded.

>>7302191
top is the fps? what fps do you expect to get out of the final version, with or without textures?
also, is collision working now?

>>7302206
yes collision is working, that's basically how it determines which sector the camera is in

>>7302206
>>7302214
and yeah top left is the fps
depends on how well i can optimize it but maybe between 10-15fps with textures.

>>7302214
>>7302224
That makes sense, with the sector tagging.

Playthrough video of map27 of 2048 units of /vr/ is up. I had absolutely no problem beating it during my practice run, but recording it took a while. Challenging, but fair. I'd place it on the 4th place in my map ranking of this wad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pppTEr8DFcE

You know sometimes I wish I had enough tism to be able to not only have a weirdass OC but to also turn it into a Doom mod just cause I could.

>>7302386
sometimes, you may spend too much time developing shitty lore and ideas with no consistency and too much bloat, before even writing a piece of code or a drawing for visual reference
there ideas could be there and you could even find ways to make sense but there's still something in front, even if it's your own fault and you may or may not be able to fix that

>>7302386
Yeah what kinda dork would do that?

>>7302386
cute feet

>>7302386
weird OC i want to make a doom wad for is probably like a solid 30% of gameplay mods

>>7302386
>>7302406
How do you care enough about fictional stuff to want to write it? I can't muster up a single shit about stuff I have no involvement in as is.

>>7302447
I just wind up making characters, and I love them, so I wanna do cool stuff with them and show the world these characters.

>>7302447
It could be a matter of inspiration or just fictional concepts you like and would want to do something with

>>7302454
who is gonna voice samson? inb4 u

>>7302460
I've been trying to figure that out too, I'm not voicing him though, I'm no voice actor.

>>7302454
Yes but what drives you to like them? What triggers the emotional response?

I want to be happy again.

>>7302462
I'll do it.

>>7302484
In my case it might be because I started modding when I was in a shitty place in my life. So creating these characters and working on mods made for an amazing way to destress, plus I always wanted to make video games. Blaz is very much a hero to me as he is to other people in his setting, same thing with his buddies and Arti.

Anyone knows if this got dropped? Played some version a few years ago and it was pretty damn fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA5HIN5RWU8

>>7302501
>work made me destress

what the fuck are you

>>7302517
It isn't work to me though, I was getting to make shit and then get it out in a way that's like, tangible. I was like "Holy shit look, I made this thing squiggle on the screen." I've been constantly learning and improving ever since. Getting better at this shit is addictive to me.

and you think that's bad, Combined_Arms Gaiden was supposed to be a small side project I wound up making to decompress from working on so much on major projects between GMOTA and Combined_Arms, so maybe I do have a problem

>>7302517
Doing shit you like to do even if it takes a lot of time and effort will make the day slip away. If spriting/coding/mapping/etc makes you want to tongue fuck a shotgun barrel it's perhaps not quite for you, or you haven't found your own rhythm and passion yet

>>7301949
fpbp

>>7302484

>>7301949
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXwevR52t5k
DUNDUNDUNDUN DUDUN
DUNDUNDUNDUN DUDUN
INFINITY

>at work a week or so ago
>in the breakroom with a few other co-workers
>one co-worker discusses Doom with a manager
>obviously referring to 2016 or Eternal; also talking about playing it on console, heresy
>bring up classic Doom, tell them I prefer it to these newfangled Doom games
>"oh you mean like the arcade Doom?"
>correct them by saying it was originally a DOS game, now best enjoyed via source ports
>"he likes the arcade Doom!"
>try to tell them that I pistol-started Plutonia Experiment on UV while getting all kills/secrets, but it all comes out as mumbles
>conversation soon fades and they move onto the next subject while ignoring me
Just another tale in never revealing your power level.

>>7302617
nice pasta

are they ever going to find a fucking cure for anhedonia?

>>7302617
Am I the only one that likes the idea of more people hearing about Doom, but don't like the idea that the entirety of the classic Doom community and it's creations gets completely overshadowed? Maybe I'm autistic or something I have no idea how to describe it

>>7302686
It's probably because, for better or worse, Doom is a series whose identity, both officially or just in pop culture image, has been meddled by outsiders
Either fans or even just people in general
Doom modding in itself is also important besides just being interesting
You look at the impact of ALWAYS_RUN, Doom 64's ports and a lot more and you realize it might be harder to seperate Doom from its fanbase
Even the nickname "Doomguy" is proof of this

For the sake of clarity, I would like to reiterate again that the Golden Age of FPS began in 1992 with the release of the Wolfenstein 3D shareware and ended in 1998 with the release of Half-Life.

The top ten most based FPS of all time, in no particular order, are:
1. Doom 1/2
2. Rise of the Triad
3. Blood
4. Shadow Warrior
5. Duke Nukem 3D
6. Quake
7. Wolfenstein 3D
8. Powerslave
9. Hexen
10. Heretic

And the most cringe, in no particular order:
Half-Life

I am open to dicussion on this matter if you believe it to be in error.

>>7302715
To add: Doom 64 would be number 11.

>>7302715
Thoughts on the Turok games?

Are you a bad enough dude to play idgames roulette?

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?random

>click link to get a random upload from idgames
>play it (as far as you want anyway)
>no need to finish it if you don't like it - it's supposed to be fun
>take at least one screenshot
>post a link to it here in reply afterwards
>tell us what you thought about it
>if you get a DM map, texture pack, or utility, etc, reroll

>>7302715
>Rise of the Triad
>two weapon limit
>based

>>7302715
where's Halo?

>>7302747
Pyro's Revenge from '95 (https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/p-r/pyro1).). A short level that kind of reminds me of Hell Revealed's early maps (but much easier). The only noteworthy section is this Chasm riff that has multiple paths that get you different gear (all of which are useless since it leads right to the exit). Inoffensive but bad. 1.5/5

>>7302768
The 1999 PC canned game that was essentially Marathon 3 plot-wise?

>>7302715
Wolfenstein isn't very good. It's just fine

>>7302743
The attention whore doesn't like Turok.

>>7302856
he doesn't like any fps, just larp like all zoomies do.

What the fuck even is a Powerslave? Seriously.

>>7302686
it's not just you, anon, i'm definitely pretty annoyed that the popular perception of doom is mainly shit like "you can't just punch a hole in the mars, doomguy!" and "RIP AND TEAR"

>>7302715
>>7302834
Okay, so where's Marathon?

What is the best method for mapping?

Place all the sectors and stuff beforehand and then start detailing later?
Or build room by room?

>>7302743
Turdcock? Come on. Not a fan of Faggotfog.

Full disclosure I had Turok 1 and 2 for N64 when I was in high school and liked them then. They're ok I guess.

>>7302915
Powerslave is awesome.

>>7302951
Block out level design - pathing through the level - key features/identifying set pieces first, and then place monsters/items, before saving detailing for last. Playtest constantly so you can gain a sense of your level's progression and what threats you can and can't do yet.

>>7302750
yes, even back then developers realized that weapon limits are best suited for weapons that are variations of the same basis
i.e. 6 different rocket launchers

>>7302946
I love Marathon but for me 2 is really the stand out entry. I would perhaps change the series as a whole put for ROTT in that list since it certainly offers more.

>>7302750
You can carry more than two weapons. You can also carry a missle weapon, of which there is a variety.

>>7302939
You and me both, it's so fucking annoying

>>7302957
Doesn't the Nightdive releases have an option to remove fog or am I retarded?

>>7302965
Looks good, actually. Should I play this in Raze or another sourceport?

>>7302951
finish the first draft before you start polishing or iterating
for the love of fuck
its a very easy trapping to fall into and kills any and all long term productivity
if you have to add detail, make them large and basic in shape
or just slap some noisier textures where the smaller ones would go

>>7302992
Yeah, I think so. I have actually been considering buying the rerelease of 1 or 2 to be honest. I just like calling it Turdcock.

The OP Win 98 link has Powerslave, both the PC and EX (the console and PC versions are very different games) versions preconfigured and ready to go

>>7302750
>>7302979
Think of it more like an arcade game. You aren't really expected to do much heavy fighting with the bullet weapons, they're mainly there so you can defend yourself as you fight from one missile weapon to the next.

>>7302998
I see - if you detail for a section that you ultimately delete, it can exponentially increase time spent

>>7302840
It's highly underrated now I think. It has a very tense atmosphere that no other FPS has. I played Wolf3D after playing Doom II as a kid but I still have fond memories of playing through it one summer. Catacomb Abyss as well.

>>7302715
>Do i fit in yet?
Pathetic

>>7302998
itd be nice if there was a comprehensive workflow guide or something. not that it would be perfect for everyone but still. as far detailing i usually try detail and texture stuff while i brainstorm. so i'm always busy

>>7302715
>2. Rise of the Triad
Boring flat game.

>>7303018
Arcade is an excellent way to describe it. ROTT had a very arcadish feel, it's very video game-y in a way no other FPS was. Or really has been since, it's very unique. I am hoping it gets the renewed attention it deserves with the rerelease. I was fortunate enough to play COMM-BAT multiplayer back in the day and its a blast

>>7302686
>>7302939
>>7302992
>i'm definitely pretty annoyed that the popular perception of doom is mainly shit like "you can't just punch a hole in the mars, doomguy!" and "RIP AND TEAR"
I agree. Honestly, I really like the new Doom games. Eternal at least. 2016 is a great game but after Eternal it's too slow for me. But the constant spew of repetitive same bullshit that is "RIP AND TEAR BRO!!!" and "YOU CAN'T JUST SHOOT A HOLE IN MARSS!!!!" or "THE LONGER THE ICON-" etc, etc. It gets intolerable after awhile.

>>7303034
That makes me think, different Wolf game btw, but what makes Return to Castle Wolfenstein so good specifically, aside from it being a fast paced shooter? I haven't played it enough to fully appreciate, but from what I know it's essentially a heavily revamped and reinterpretation version of Wolf 3D's gameplay (shooting Nazis and collecting gold and finding secrets).

>>7303000
I forgot I had Turok 2 installed on another machine, but yeah by default it has extended draw distance on

>>7302715
It appears my superiority has led to some controversey

>>7302204

oh shit and Matrix Mode was the greatest

7302715
fuck off to doomworld

>>7303051
ROTT had nothing on this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fsGHlIdpbs

>>7303035
Seethe, faggot.
>>7303046
I bought RTCW at launch on PC. Fucking loved that game.
>>7303068
You first, tranny.

lol he mad

>>7303085
Yes, positively livid.

Going to play Shadow Warrior, later nerds

>>7302715
pleb taste

>>7302747
wad: "Demon Invasion Episode 1 & 2"
creator: DOOMac
url: https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/g-i/invasion

Description:
Two-map wad for Doom 2 where the first level looks like it served as a test for the second. This guy *loves* dark narrow hallways and Spectres and monster closets...with Spectres. Also uses a trope I hate, switches that unlock doors you can't see and are too far away to really get a sense that they'd actually done anything. In the first level there's a timed switch to an obscured door, but thankfully I don't think he did it again on Level 2.
You actually get a sense that he learned a bit while making the second level, since after the first key I noticed you'd occasionally hit a switch/door combo where he'd leave items behind the door as a way to draw your eye, so good on you.

Dim hallways aside, probably the defining moment of this map is a room with a large crusher placed at the bottom of some stairs that led upward to a dais area where arachnotrons, mancubi, chaingunners and cacos fight. The use of the crusher makes cowering from the projectiles dicey, since you can easily backpedal too far if you're not careful.

One thing of note: the yellow key is present in the raised rampart area near the back of this room, I missed it and wandered around for too long.

the most soulful mods

>>7303043
"Rip and tear" and "The longer the Icon of Sin" at least work better for me cus they both work as a lore type of thing. The latter being a form of what little story telling there is (thankfully) in Eternal by raising the stakes via reminding you how much of a Hellish creature the Icon is, and the former actually being a somewhat genius way of taking what was once a cheesy tongue in cheek line in a comic book and still have it not be too silly within NuDoom's context (then again, the way "Rip and Tear" is worded doesn't necessarily limit itself to something tongue in cheek; it's easily interchangeable with DoomGuy's rage-fueled character and how he decimates literally everything in his path like the absolute fucking unit he is).

"Hole in Mars" I can forgive as a goofy little bit of comic relief in Eternal, but yeah there are a lot of annoying fuckwads that spew it and the other two lines as a joke/meme that isn't funny anymore. The original contexts of the lines and anything else that's gotten memed to Hell and back I don't have a problem with at all, but you give unfunny people on the Internet an inch and they'll make a mile out of it. It's a common thing with any form of popular media to have fans recite lines ad nauseam, but I'd imagine with something as big of an IP as Doom being rebooted, regardless of how long it's been since a new entry came out and depending how well said reboot is done, you'd expect that such a phenomenon would be especially prominent in the community.

>>7302747
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom/a-c/anteroom

So 1994 that it hurts, at least it had a good idea with having you teleport back to the main room over and over

>>7303104
Oh, it's also got custom sounds, including a lengthy one for the activation noise. You'll tune them out after the first 100 times lol

>>7302517
I mean personally most of the time I engage in any creative activity it's to distract myself from something fucking terrible in my life. Doing so is also a good way to guarantee that you devote an inhuman amount of time to it as well.

>>7303043
>>7303113
eternal is objectively a better game than 2016 but man what the fuck were they thinking with the writing, genuinely one of the worst stories i've ever played
anyway this isn't retro so: i just started marathon, i like it overall but does the level design get any better because right now it's annoying labyrinthine bullshit

>>7303034
I played Wolf3D back then too. I never really found it tense. The only parts that were close were the boss fights.
Eh. Blake Stone was a fair bit better. But of course it came out a fair bit later, so that tracks.

>>7301993
this looks like one of those fake games you'd see on Law & Order

>>7303158
It gets worse

>>7303206
fuck
i just hope durandal shows up soon, leela is boring, i expected esoteric megalomaniac AI rants not "aliens are in this sector you have to kill them"

>there is no such thing as a push-activated lift
>all lifts are activated by switch or walk-over
Why the fuck did I think I was pressing use to activate the lifts in Doom this whole time

>want to play QuakeWorld
>intimidated by just how fast the people who still play it are

a few enemies don't spawn in Crispy Doom while playing coop.
What's going on?

>>7303172
the prophecy

>>7303172
one more

>>7303247
Nevermind, I'm retarded, I had the linedef facing the wrong way

>>7303172
>absolutely dull clusterpuck becomes quickly retarded

>>7303172
>top bimbo

Anyone?>>7303252

>>7303298
No clue. I know they had a huge update recently. I haven't played it yet. Maybe it's a bug.

>>7303158
you're not wrong, but there's a certain cleanliness to 2016 if that makes sense that eternal just lacks, maybe it's the goofy shit, maybe it's the story bleeding into the gameplay, maybe it's the fact that 2016 was just good old doom man rampaging across mars and hell, maybe the desolate tone, I dunno
maybe it's because there were no marauders holy assfuck
>>7303113
I thought the hole in mars bit was a cute joke, did normalfags really try to "meme" it? don't answer that actually I feel I already know the answer
The icon of sin bit wasn't even really a joke it's just taking the piss out of sammy repeating himself like 8 times verbatim so I can see that
on a /vr/ related note, has anyone recreated the modern dooms as wads? seems like the kind of thing a bored modder would try

>>7303306
it just crispy that has the missing enemies for me.
chocolate works fine.

>>7303252
That sounds strange, as vanilla map format (which is what limit removing maps also use) only has a flag for making things multiplayer only.
Boom did introduce "not deathmatch" and "not cooperative" flags, but crispy is not fully boom format compatible.

>>7303263
>no duke reboot where he's a washed up hasbeen that has to reclaim his glory and titties from the clutches of magic man randy

>>7303298
>>7303306
>>7303329
>>7303319
oh i get it now.
Enemies killing each other don't add up to the kill count in coop.
Fuckin great vanilla doom.

>>7303378
One of these days, man.

>>7303385
Testing solo-net, this seems to check out.

Canon

>>7303378
>magic man randy
lol. reclaiming his mojo reminds me of that Johnny bravo pic from a few days ago. goes from getting slapped and rejected to slanging benis. if done properly that would be great. some great humor and what not

I finally fixed up the Nanotrasen Sergeant so it doesn't look like he spilled spaghetti on his uniform.

>>7301993
https://twitter.com/RageSquid/status/1349682739809824768

>>7303074
neat, I didn't know that was a thing and I beat it twice

How many people here played with the Raze sourceport? If so, how was your experience?

>>7303247
Technically Switch triggers are Use triggers.

You know map28 from Scythe?
What if there was a community project where every map followed the concept of having to reach the exit before the crusher reaches you?

>>7303583
Voodoo crusher or actual crusher? lol

>>7303454
I have no idea what that is or who you are.

Playing BTSX Episode 1 with Babel and I've noticed a few things:
-BTSX1 is real good. I was nearly filtered at map19 but I pulled through, map20 was amazing and probably my favorite level so far. Currently on 22.
-Babel is REALLY fucking good, hot damn. The balance and speed of everything feels great, Quake-speed switching for weapons has been very satisfying in managing ammo, I like what's been done to balance the shotguns, and all the enemy changes are fun.
-I found out I really like the occasional "somber music" for my fights, like here in 20 of BTSX or levels like Pharaoh in TNT.

>>7303583
fucking hell that map stresses me out

no pls

>>7303628

Who am i? You've probably seen me posting in previous threads.

What is it? Let me show you.

>>7303604
Map28 of Scythe uses voodoo crusher

Anyone else try out Demon Throne?

>>7302617
Is my old post becoming copypasta now?
Yes, it did happen, yes, I still want to kms

>>7303648
Rottking's maps (E1M20, E1M22, and E2M22) are some of the most atmospheric out of BTSX, IMO.
I believe he also has a map in E3: https://rottking.wordpress.com/saturnx-ep3/

>>7303748
>Rottking
https://www.dropbox.com/s/x99cdyhv2rjuond/bloodite3.mp3?dl=0

>>7302083
Based and coompilled.

>>7302747
Oh shit, rollan.

>>7303745
Don't worry about it man it's probably el'fonzo and the shitter squad trying rustle people

>>7303732
Don't worry about it man, its probably just el'fonzo and the shitter squad trying to rustle people

>>7303158
It gets better and also worse. G4 Sunbathing and the Pfhor Warship are great levels. Colony Ship for Sale is one of the worst levels I've ever played and everytime I reach that level I want to shoot myself. Marathon 2 however was some insanely good level design.

>>7303748
Huh... so his level is inspired by a pixiv artist.
i have to say i can see the reseamblance.
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/72754613

>>7302750
>"wtf why can you only have one gun at a time? Contra sucks!"

>>7303745
looks great

Yossarian:

YOu think you're so mature and wordly wise, well fuck you!!! Quite judging weapons by stopping power people, the magnum's the best!

Scott B.

You bastard! TRAITOROUS DOG! You wrote to Alexander Seropian that Unreal Championship kicked Marathon's ass, well I kick YOUR ASS!!!

AH AH AH AH AH AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!! YOU'RE ALL FUCKING STUPIIIIIIIIIID!!!

>>7302081
Ribbiks has a PhD. A pretty huge-

>>7303976

>>7303961
doommappingcareer?

>>7302081
IIRC, this is water world from DKC3 GBA
And then map03's music is the SNES version

>>7303034
It's a little barebones honestly, but at the same time I also enjoy the more cartoony graphics, as well as the simplicity of just running and collecting treasure.
My favorite iteration of oldschool Wolfenstein 3D I think is Totenkopf SDL Edition.

>>7302951
You can be an inefficient idiot like I am, and just build it all piece by piece, detailing and all, which has a number of practical deficiencies, and something I should try moving away from.

>>7303046
It's a *little* bit like Half-Life, only with even fewer (and even shorter) mandatory speaking segments and no tram-ride at the start, also map instances are sort of divided up levels and episodes, and they do score you at the end. It has a good level design with fun exploration, while having a largely realistic aesthetic to it, and the gunplay is pretty fast and intense. The gunplay is actually kind of better than Half-Life's, now that I think about it.
It has some stealth to it, which is kind of so-so, but it tends to work ok in the levels designed for it.

I really think it's about the best possible way you could have taken Wolfenstein from 1992 to 2001. Oh yeah, it has an alright plot to it as well, it's there, but it's not oppressive and largely serves to direct the gameplay (find X item, locate and/or eliminate Z douche, kill your way through this, quietly or loudly, and you'll achieve it), it kind of just rounds out the progression of the levels/episodes. Music is also very well suited, and is excellent at building atmosphere, the undead levels are just a wonderful kind of comfy-spooky, and the action themes are like old war movies, intense and triumphant.

https://youtu.be/2a2I0RBri5g
https://youtu.be/o-sH4ewNioM
https://youtu.be/Eoo8EyNH3GM
https://youtu.be/Zly9d5_8zpI
https://youtu.be/WtsNwQIhhno

At least some of the boss encounters are also hard cunts to defeat, if you're playing Medium or higher, and the monster design is cool. Most importantly, there's gold bars and gilded goblets to collect, and you can eat chicken dinners and cold cuts to restore your health.

>>7302102
sadly, this has an objective reason. read second sidebar article here:
https://www.doomworld.com/cacowards/2020/lifetime/

>>7304083
Jesus fuck, I had no idea.

>>7304085
2020 was a stupid year, we lost Slax as well.

Does anyone know how to enforce Vanilla bugs in PrBoom? I'm trying to enforce the 21 Lost Soul limit, and I know I can do it with MAPINFO for ZDoom and stuff, but how can I enforce it for PrBoom without telling the user to go out of their way to enable it manually? A mapset I'm working on needs this particular bug in place for some maps.

>>7303648
Do you pistol start Babel + BTSX? I find Babel pistol starting outside of Doom 1 and II is damn near impossible.

>>7303378
>Duke Nukem: Island Peril

is there a setting to disable mouse movement (i.e. going forward or back when the mouse moves along the y-axis) on the original doom in dosbox? or do i need external help like novert or something

You guys wouldn't like Civvie's half life video becaue he doesn't shit on it every 3 minutes

>>7304269
how long is the video? im not a cuckreon

>>7304269
Half life, half dead, ALL SHIT

>>7304281
58 minutes

>>7303748
His work on Double Impact is supreme as well.

>>7304309
thanks anon
>>7304325
double impact is also the wad that was officially used as an addon to the bethesda rereleases too right?

>>7304238
You will need novert.com to disable it, there's no normal way to disable it through setup.exe. Another better option is to use the MBF 2.04 DOS port, it also removes the forward/backwards mouse movement and also runs Doom at 640x400. The DOSpack link has a working MBF version ready to go

>>7304330
They have curated a number of good .wads already which if you're on console, you can plain get as free DLC (I guess they may also be available as a free package for the PC release as well? I'm not sure about that point, but they absolutely run them).
Double Impact was the first one they picked though, they've also added stuff like No End In Sight, Sigil, and Rekkr.

Double Impact was made by RottKing and Ralphis, and they took turns making each subsequent room in a map, which seems like a pretty interesting way to develop levels.

>>7302459
This mod is beautiful as fuck and you should make a gameplay of it

>>7304179
Not him but Plasma SMG was put in specifically because the ammo balance doesn't always work. Also if you look at the damage values basically everything does more damage than vanilla so the trick is controlling ammo usage. The actual pistol is very powerful if you can control the spread.

>Trying to map
>Realize my ambitions exceed my current skillset
>Don't want to make a shitty first timer map people will ridicule, but that leaves me with my ambitions exceeding my skillset
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Is contest anon still gonna organize an event? Or we making that Plutonia WAD? My fingers are itching to map with you boys again.

>>7304410
You get decent after making about five maps so just put in the time. Definitely don't share those maps with anybody though.

>>7304413
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>7304418
Hmmm that sounds like a good idea. Thank you anon. That actually makes me feel better.

>>7304418
I made a decent map on my second try (And I might've pulled it off the first time if I understood correctly how big everything is).

Finished Eviternity MAP19, and it took me almost an hour of in-game time.
This map was an absolute slog. I don't even think the problem is that it's long in itself, but rather, that the only reasons it is long is that it insists on wasting my time with all these goddamn switches I have to press in every goddamn room, alongside too many detours from what seems to be the main path to make things take even longer. There isn't even much exploration to be had, either, as it's super linear, despite what the automap might lead you to believe. Basically a major case of "long for the sake of being long", and easily my least liked map so far in Eviternity, and honestly, of all 2010's era big name megawads I've played.

>>7304410
Don't be afraid to make a map that is only a few squares. Height variance is more important than pretty shapes.
Don't let your textures end abruptly.
Post monsters in interesting arrangements.
You'll be fine.

>>7304473
Thank you too anon. I think my biggest hurdle is the fact that I want to make these complex brushes, but I don't know the ins and outs yet. But you're right: gameplay first, pretty it up (if I can) later (besides making sure textures don't just end). I'm gonna sleep on my frustrations and get a fresh start when I wake up.

Do enemies respawn on total carnage difficulty in marathon 1?

>>7301935
RIP Duke Nukem.

>>7304331
I was hoping to keep it as "pure" as possible and avoid sourceports but mbf sounds nice
another bit of me being too zoomer to run dos properly but dosbox can't find doom.exe, yet runs setup.exe and by extension doom through that just fine, this normal or am I a retard?

>>7304523
There's little reason to be completely pure, I suggest you go limit-removing and use Crispy Doom or some equivalent.

>>7304523
Chocolate Doom will get you as close to dosbox as possible.

>>7304518
Blow it out your ass

>>7304523
You can use the TNTCOMP cheat to make it act like doom.exe

>>7304269
Nah, it's not a big deal. Not for me, at least. Will look at it tomorrow when he releases it for everyone.

>>7303887
>G4 Sunbathing
>great level
is this satire

>>7304780
G4 is great, fag. Maybe you should pay attention to where you're going.

>>7304269
Only zoomers don't like HL1 and it's mods.
Every boomer loved it.

>>7304269
>one schizo speaks for all the retro fps general
zoom zoom

>>7304518
https://youtu.be/ci7YvXWKUOI

>>7304179
>Do you pistol start Babel + BTSX?
Yeup, and on UV on my first time through BTSX.
It's on the edge of being too much of a pain in the ass for me. I'm absolutely dialing down a bit for Episode 2, either with no pistol starts or pistol starts on HMP.

>>7304269
what's wrong with half life that warrants a hive mind opinion of aggressive shitting upon?

You guys told me to take my meds, I took my meds and I am now too drowsy to shitpost. I hope you're happy with yourselves.

>>7304881
he's mad because eceleb can force his shitty opinions over normalfags.

>>7304892
*can't force

What are the best bots for Quake 1 and 2? Do they know how to play MP mods?

>>7304876
To be fair I'm pretty sure the mod was balanced around iwad difficulty and continuous play. You've got balls of steel for even getting that far with pistol starts.

Wish him and his family all the best. Wrath: Aeon of Ruin is shaping up to be a great game and I'm sure KillPixel is proud of it.

>>7304913
>1C entertainment
Fuck that, I will no longer buy this game. Don't want my money funding gay killings in Russia. Hope someone cancels this asshole soon.

>>7304929
>funding gay killings in Russia
Wait so if I buy Wrath they'll throw a fag off a building or something? Might have to add it to my wishlist.

Can't wait for this shit to finally come out

>>7304939
What is this?

>>7304913
Imagine wasting 7 years of your life on video games

>>7304989
A Marathon TC that has been on development for 16 years. It's called Where Monsters Are in Dreams.

>>7304939
Yikes, looks awful.

>>7304913
Thats too bad hes stepping away. Probably too much IRL shit.

>>7304993
Most people here probably spent more than 7 years of their life on video games. Just depends on what exactly we're doing: playing them, mod, develop... To be fair, developing and/or modding a game would've probably been more productive than simply playing them.
>>7305016
Kind of. From I understand, it's mostly just a burnout.

>>7304523
The MBF file to start up doom through dosbox should just be called MBF.exe. If you're okay running Doom through Windows, Chocolate Doom is the most pure port, it's basically like the DOS version. Same for Crispy Doom but it runs at 640x400. If you really, for whatever reason, want to run it in DOS(Box), MBF (version 2.04) really is the best port. If you don't know how to set it up just use the preconfigured DOS pack in the OP.
tl;dr if you want the most pure simple solution, just use Chocolate Doom

Thief is boring.

>>7304913
I dont know what I played the game is very boring.

It looks okay at least. Better than graven.

>>7305145
t. ADHS zoomer

>>7305169
Anon dont bite. Guy is probably still mad Ion Fury got shat on in the previous thread.

>>7304913
who is he?

>>7305169
>>7305171
any other 1998 game was better

>>7305184
I dont man you could pick some other game to bait one. Seriously Thief is masterpiece for the ages. Even for people that dont care about stealth. LGS was too good for this world.

>>7305171
Ion Fury is great like every BUILD game. If you disagree, you suck dicks.

>>7305192
Only pseuds like LGS games.

>>7305184
Poo Poo

>>7305193
>>7305198

Yeah whatever anons.

Sic transit gloria mundi

>>7305192
On top of everything else in it being amazing, I think it's the most atmospheric game I've played.
>>7305171
>Fury shat on
That was nothing but Shelly bitching.

>>7305208
>That was nothing but Shelly bitching.

I participated in it, I like IF but Shelly is shit.

That said now I believe in you guys there is a serious moron trying to always start shit. Up there something about gay killings.
Shitting on Thief.

Can you believe it? On THIEF.

>>7305215
>I participated in it, I like IF but Shelly is shit.
I don't see her as anything more than "lady Duke" and that's all I needed her to be. Caleb is the only build protag I give a shit about, even though I consider Wang the funniest.

>>7305215
kys alf

>>7305226
Says alf.

>the combat and controls are shit b-b-but the games are masterpieces
LGS fans everyone

>>7305238
Yes they are unbelievable masterpieces, with a modding scene second only to doom.

>>7305238
The controls are fine, and the combat is fine considering what you are: A thief, not a fighter.

>>7305294
Are you kidding the movement in Thief is amazing.

>>7305250
>with a modding scene second only to doom.
lmao

>>7305130
honestly the dosbox thing is less about pure accuracy (which I appreciate don't get me wrong) and more running the game the way people did when they first fell in love with it so I can appreciate everything that comes later (feature heavy ports, custom mapping, etc.) with better context
yes I am vehemently autistic, I'll probably stick to chocodoom when it comes down to it

>>7305298
Yeah unless you count skyrim cum inflation serana mods.

so i suck at games in general, is there an autosave mod that actually works for doom? it sucks to die and have to play the whole level from the beginning.

>git gud
fuck off

>>7305296
Yeah I agree.

Did you mean to reply to my post? Because I think Thief's great.

>>7305306
How are you playing it? Dosbox or a sourceport?

>>7305315
My god. So pretty.

If only dromed was not like trying to play chess in mittens with a sea lion.

>>7305306
Why don't you just save between fights like a normal person?

>>7305306
for gzdoom you have this

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=59889

>>7305331
>https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=59889
this might work, thank you anon

>>7305305
half life and quake modding scenes

>>7305305
the source/goldsrc scene is absolutely titanic in its own right, half their mods became world famous standalone vidya with their own modding scenes
bethesda games, while inflated horrifically by shitty character presets and chinamen pumping out titty outfit ports is still nothing to shake a stick at

>>7305350
I dont know, the scene in skyrim is gigantic. HL is big, and quake as well. But dont underestimate the amount of fan missions Thief has pumped of incredible quality.

Anyone else bind Heretic items to hotkeys? It really makes using them a lot more convenient.

>>7305407
I'll do it for specific items, but any game I play that has an inventory selection like that I'm always using Z and C to navigate and X to use.

>>7305208
That skeleton looks cool. Where is he from?

>>7305428
They're from Thief, spooky fast and evil fuckers.

>>7303313
>cleanliness to 2016
Am I the only one who thinks Eternal's lore was a mess? I mean the Makyr just come across as some generic videogame alien to me, if you told me they were from a new Mass Effect or Halo I'd believe you. Sure they're based on angels but it just doesn't work for me.
If you just read a plot synopsis of the two games, 2016 still sounds like a retelling of classic Doom, while you read Eternal and it's all fake names.
>After retrieving a celestial locator from the Sentinel world of Exultia, the Slayer travels to Hell to retrieve a power source from a fallen Sentinel known as the Betrayer. He warns the Slayer that humanity's time has come before giving him the power source and a special dagger. VEGA directs the Slayer to a citadel in the Arctic where Deag Ranak has taken refuge, and the Slayer kills him after defeating his guardian Doom Hunters.
https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/Doom_Eternal#Plot
I mean what the fuck?

>>7305454
>Am I the only one
no, it's pretty widely agreed that eternal's lore was retarded and that the story was a huge step down from 2016

>>7305454
Maykrs would've been more interesting if they were a surprise like "that's right, there's no such thing as Heaven or Jesus" because you get the feeling they couldn't show off more traditional Heavenly elements, for a series whose original title looked like they were defying a certain status quo
>2016 still sounds like a retelling of classic Doom
I still believe this was supposed to be a pure reboot before making the Slayer the same Doomguy when his modelled face isn't even the true "HD Face" people expected for years
You look at stuff like mods, wads, even ugly HD models and realise that nobody takes the "Doomverse" more seriously than nerds that had enough free time and care for over 27 years
Even if the new games have cool ideas, most of it was clearly with a different mind from the ones behind low-tech shotguns or FIREBLU
I know "status quo" might be overused and misused here but that's how i feel with certain bits of the art style and lore

i want Mr Friendly back.

>7304929
>>7305215
They said the same thing about Tarkov in the last thread, they have some kind of hate-on for Russian devs, as if indie studios have any control over what goes on in their entire country.

>>7305221
I didn't know that I needed Araki Caleb in my life, but surely enough....

>>7305490
>indie
>publisher
pick one

>>7304178
AFAIK, the only way to do this is complevel 2.
Boom and beyond "fix" the limit

>>7305490
Its a weak bait anon. Not even fags on lgbt care.

>>7305421
That's how I used to do it, and in something slower pace like Strife, it works, but I found it to be too clunky in the heat of battle with Heretic. (Of course, it didn't help that I was using bracket keys to navigate, and Enter to use it, lol).

>>7305421
I have side buttons on my mouse, so I use them to scroll inventory, and middle mouse to use

>>7305407
>>7305421
>using Z and C to navigate and X to use
Same, except I picked "F" for using. "X" is flying down.
>>7305441
Nice. Planning to get my hands on frist two Thief games after dealing with some other games in my Steam library that I got and ignored for way too long (that's why I'm replaying Heretic now, but this time don't wanna ignore bonus episodes). Never really looked into them until Civvie made a series about first game, which got me hooked up. Is this specific pic a fan art, texture or what? I just enjoy this kind of portraits from time to time.
May I ask then what the issue with the third one? I never really looked into it, but considering that majority of people ignores Deadly Shadows, I suppose there's a reason for that.
>>7305454
>Am I the only one who thinks Eternal's lore was a mess?
No... Honestly, it just didn't bother me when I looked at the game on YouTube and Twitch. Devs were saying how they wanna build DOOM universe, even though they're clearly self-aware regarding the mess they've wrote and I respect that.
Linking Doom Fandom instead of Doom Wiki.
Yeah, what the fuck?
>>7305472
>Maykrs would've been more interesting if they were a surprise
id Software really should've hold them on instead of revealing them too early during the promotion of the game.
>you get the feeling they couldn't show off more traditional Heavenly elements
Because they can't. Imagine what kind of shitshow some Christians would've got if it was Heaven instead of Urdak? Although I do wonder who would've taken Kan Maykr's place. Jesus?

>>7304331
>>7305130
>>7305304
A warning about MBF: it changes monster infighting behavior to make them less stupid, and as a result, monster infighting becomes harder.

In terms of actually playing the game and how the game looks and sounds, the only difference between Chocolate Doom and DOSDoom is the MIDIs. Chocolate Doom will use your MIDI player or the digital music packs, and DOS uses soundblaster.

If you're gonna play the IWADs, go for it, but for your first custom map pack, I recommend Scythe, which also runs in DOS

Is he right, PCbros?
>>7303708
>>7303518
>>7301913

>>7305543
>Is this specific pic a fan art, texture or what?
Oh that up there is just a fan art.
For what its worth this is a custom level.

>>7304518
>69
nice

>>7305549
Depends, seems biased, let met tell you I was there to compare both and Quake 2 in a voodoo2 was still much more impressive than anything in consoles for years to come.

>>7305543
>if it was Heaven instead of Urdak
Darksiders pulled it off.
Interestingly, D2 has the same "problem" as Eternal where they expanded the lore beyond the biblical setting and it's awkward occasionally. I really liked D2 though.

>>7305543
>Although I do wonder who would've taken Kan Maykr's place. Jesus?
Or some made up angel cyborg
Like how Doom has the Cyberdemon
Cyberangel?
Angel Mastermind?

Final Doom or Doom 3 next to play?

>>7304913
>>7305070
>burnout
>7 years
Holy shit, Diablo 1 was like 6 months of crunch time, and D2 was maybe 1-2 years. Imagine seven.

>>7305543
You could have picked some one better than civvie for Thief. His vids are half hearted. Thief is not his jam.

Thief fan missions reach some epic level artistry at points. I am glad I saw the community at its peak.

>>7305454
the fake names are generally comprehensable in game, that basically translates to
>doomguy got a gps for his spaceship in space viking-rome land and needed a battery from some edgy dude who betrayed the space knights and sulks in hell now, he broods but gives you the battery and a knife anyway, then you go to kill a hell priest in a snow level
it's still a clusterfuck don't get me wrong but the codex shit replacing the more straightforward telling because of wiki autism does it no favors
I will say as meh as the makyrs were I did love the sound design of and the general uncanny aesthetic of cyber-heaven also fun to see the designers blatantly saw some 3d printing during development and were just desperate to incorporate it
and really REALLY hated retconning hayden into a boddy hopping angel guy who gave doomguy his new powers, should've just been a robot CEO dude with a redemption arc as your new siri

Playing Back to Saturn 1. How do I reach those items? I think I've humped all the walls in the map already.

>>7305559
D2 with that soundtrack was a game that almost reached god status.

And Death is cool as fuck.

Sadly the franchise seems pretty dead.

>>7305567
Do you really expect anyone to say 3 first?

How much viable for Quake is binding the movement keys to the numpad like in this vid compared to WSAD?
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk3YSHQ8q2E&t=7m35s

>>7305571
Hayden and VEGA being Seraphin and God has a problem when you realize Humanity has too much to do with Heaven, similar to how they explained the story behind most demons you fight
It's why i prefered when Hell was this messy looking dimension and demons were responsible for their own armies instead of relying on UAC, Maykrs or Sentinel
Not even just a matter of independence, but also potential mystery, specially for supposed supernatural entities
Then again, the art direction with the unified chittin aesthetic and all doesn't help either

>>7305549
He's as right as saying trespasser was revolutionary which it was.

>>7304269
Name ONE game Civvie shitted on.

>>7305582
I do like the idea that a bunch of demons are getting jacked up with UAC tech since they're so blatantly the instigators of the invasion this time, but it should've been more like the hell and dread knight variation instead of ubiquitous
and yeah, they may be overexplaining things a bit much and compensating with even more batshit plot like you were satan all along, mirror match time

>>7305552
Neat. Thanks.
>>7305559
>Darksiders pulled it off.
Didn't knew that since I don't know much about Darksiders. I guess id just decided to be both creative and safe "just in case".
>>7305563
I would rather pick Cyberangel then as Spider Mastermind was already used in DOOM 16.
>But Cyberdemon was there too!
Yeah, but I think Cyberangel can be more creative... Don't know what Angel could fit in such a role and who Seraphim would've been there, but those can always be an OG characters.
>>7305568
I doubt it was exactly like that, but I can't say for sure. It was tough for sure.
>>7305570
It's just that I saw him releasing a video about Thief and decided to take a look. I've been enjoying his videos, but I think I see where you're coming from. I'm always open for someone new in that sphere. Maybe Mandalore, I don't know.
Look nice, even though I'm not really into mods nowadays for some reason. I still have most of Arcane Dimensions waiting for me to play.
>>7305592
Not him, but Hexen. I don't mind its puzzle/switch hunting as much as some people do, including Civvie.

>>7305607
Another thing about cybernetic demons is when you look at the themes of classic Hell and realize Hell might as well be shitting on mankind over tech
Considering how demons are associated with medival shit because of how people view them back then, Hell somehow having tech all along would be demons adjusting to the future
Doom 4 even had its Hell Guardian being made as a "demon for dinosaurs"
As if Hell exists before time and could change shape to fuck up with people from different eras and even cultures
Satan being Doomguy would make more sense if it was Satan saying "fuck it" and deciding to become your ultimate nemisis
Him apparently being that all along adds another layer of "special all along" to Doomguy that shouldnb't be there
The idea of Satan "parodying" you would make more sense
That and how they still didn't get his face right is another problem
Also, i do like if the UAC wanted to make cybernetic demons or even robots pretending just to infiltate and fight against Hell before it backfires, due to Hell corruption
Same if even humans were cybernetic, since that could be possible in the setting

Which setup will prevent the blockmap bug from occuring more frequently in this arena battle vs mancubi?

Right side has three blockmap lines in the room, but two of them are hopefully close enough to the walls that the centers of the wide mancubi will rarely go into the gridsquares on the edges. Maybe I could use the setup on the right, and make the room more narrow to guarantee they will never enter the edge squares. Visually it might look harder but it should actually make the room easier by making more SSG shots connect

>>7305613

One of my biggest beef with eternal is not the vomit of colors and gameplay with floating one ups.

Its the very half assed Darksiders tier attempt of world building. I dont think it meshes well with Doom at all.

But I guess they didn't want to go Horror again.

Thief fan missions are many times higher quality than main campaign stuff.

Shit, correcting for blockmap lines throws off the center of my flats. I might need a new flat, or I can reshape this room

>mapping contest
when was this thrown around? I think we need another community project. Any concepts? don't say nu-plutonia/vanilla d2 or I'll fucking kill you I'm not even joking.

I noticed the blockmap lines change as I expand the map, so I put these blank sectors in the four corners to lock the blockmap lines in place so I can correct for them

Doom 3 is literally the black sheep of the franchise.
get it? because it's dark.

>>7305656
Heh, the bit of map on the left looks like a robot

Also, just in case anyone missed it, here is a video explaining the blockmap bug

https://youtu.be/-IYz6-KnvWU

>>7305647

>>7305647
How bad blockmap really is? I know the idea, but I don't think it really happened to me often enough to care.

>>7305670
:O big brain idea

>>7305680
It's fucking brutal when you're in a lock-in arena with four mancubi and all you have is SSG and instead of 3-shotting each of them, it can take 4 or 5 shots. 6 is my record

i REALLY like the sound corvus makes when he picks up a weapon

>>7305742
90s were so based even elves were manly.

>>7303221
>he didn't find the secret terminal in the 3rd level

>>7305742
https://youtu.be/WutiLdep27Q

Sigil is not official
Machine Games fifth quake episode is not official
Alien World Order is official.

>>7305887
ok cool tthanks

Deus Ex is overrated.

>>7305934
Isn't the first one the only good one?

>>7305970
Human Revolution is nearly perfect, not /vr/ quite yet though.
I've heard good things about Mankind Divided but not played it, Steam reviews are surprisingly mixed.

>>7305934
not true
>>7305990
not retro

>>7306000
>not retro
>>7305990
>not /vr/ quite yet though.
Trips wasted on the illiterate.

>>7305990
Mankind Divided is basically the same gameplay wise, but has only one hub and terrible plot. Would not recommend.

>>7305654
What do you have against Plutonia?

Playthrough video of map28 of 2048 units of /vr/ is up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD60DK9VN1c

>>7305669
>>7305680
>>7305717

>This bug, which no doubt many players are familiar with, is a result of the original exe (and many current ports) only using the center of a thing to determine if it was in a block and not taking its entire radius into account. It was fixed in ZDoom, however this alters the gameplay by making actors easier to hit.

i had no idea this was thing

>>7305654
>he's not a Doom 2 chad

>going through these marathon sites
Damn this shit is making me nostalgic for a game and time I wan't really part of

how does doom 64 steam release compare to doom 64 ex?

>>7306040
>>7306024
I'm not saying they're not good I'm just sick of the concept of Doom 2 but different/Plutonia Super Saiyan 3 without anything new/conceptually different being done with it

What's the best way to play the PSX version?

>>7304178
>>7305505
Vanilla and Limit-Removing maps are the only ones enforcing the Lost Souls limit. If you're mapping for Boom/MBF then infinite Souls are part of the package.

>>7306091
Why do you want infinite lost souls?

I just finished Scythe for the first time and quite like the style of the maps. What are some other wads like it?

>>7306084
On an actual Playstation

>>7306109
i meant emulated

>>7306084
psydoom

>>7306028
You die now.

>>7306240
what about Playstation Doom TC?

>>7305572
Try going back to the beginning and taking all the paths, if I recall there might be another segment of the level that has a cave u have to take

>>7303172

>>7305572
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9oIKnZrx2g

>>7306047
The new release looks vastly better, and in general you're gonna wanna use the new one. The only reasons you will need to use EX is to play custom maps that can't run in the new release.

One thing that the new release mimics is the texture filter on the N64
>inb4 texture filter
I like it because it looks like the N64, similar to how I like no texture filter on the original Doom so that it looks like original Doom

The new release does NOT have things like in-game map stats (kills/secrets/items) because the N64 version did not, nor does it have vertical mouse look, unlike EX.

>>7306103
Glaive 2 is a short set of maps modeled after Scythe, that also only use stock Doom 2 textures. It's like 7-ish maps. I haven't played Glaive 1 so maybe try that, too. I rank Glaive 2's difficulty somewhere in between Scythe episode 2 (maps 11-20) and episode 3 (maps 21-30).

Valiant also follows the formula of short levels, but it's not one of those comfy old-school wads at all, if that's what you're looking for

If you still want more old school style stuff first, there is Base Ganymede from 2012, which is a vanilla-compatible Doom 1 megawad. I think the level/sector architecture in that megawad is superb

>>7306103
Scythe 2

>>7306307
DARE YOU ENTER HIS MAGICAL .WAD?

>join Q3A CTF server
>claims to have about a dozen players
>both teams just have a single bot in play
>everyone else is just spectating
What is going on here? Is this one of those machine learning things that people have done with this game's CTF?

>>7306372
I know exactly what server you're talking about. I have no fucking clue why that is.

>>7306372
I don't get it either

>>7301940
https://theforceengine.github.io/2021/01/18/TFE-Update-2021-Plans.html

>>7306372
It's a Bosnian thing. You bet on a bot, if it loses, you have to do a round of Russian roulette. I've also seen the variant where loser cuts off his finger, but they only do it with MM8BDM.

Remember when Doom II btfo System Shock and then Marathon finished the job.

>>7306498
yeah okay cool thanks

He is here

>>7306498
>btfo
the only thing doing the blowing here was Marathon aka Halo alpha

>>7306546
compare the ss1 story to marathon's and the lgs game loses badly.
Also the controls suck.

>>7306556
>LE BTFO! MUH OPINOIN IS FACT!
Get the Fuck out of here Maddox.

>>7305717
>He uses emoticons
Based! :D

>>7306598
Maddox was kino until he fucked a tranny

>>7306630
didn't he try to sue some guy for making fun of him but even the court was like "i can't deny his accusations of you being a cuck" or something?

>Brutal Doom
>Zen Dynamics
>Sin Incarnate
Which one did the "giant IOS in classic Doom" better?
Or least worst at least.

>>7306630
based

>>7306098
There are benefits to no limit. Like being able to place as many Lost Souls as you like in a map that also has Pain Elementals.
I do wish source ports didn't outright remove the limit completely, though. Would've preferred if they just made it so pre-spawned lost souls no longer count, and then maybe have the limit increase from 21 to something higher if theres more than a certain amount of PEs

>>7306414
That's so dope. I've never heard of this before. Thanks for sharing.

https://vittorioromeo.info/quakevr
thoughts bros?
I've been playing it and I'm having an absolute blast

>>7304410
Share your maps loser, get feedback. Noones going to bully you for making an amateur map. The only one person stopping you from creating is you and your insecurities.

But shitting on your own work is okay.

>>7306759
Damn, wish I knew this existed before I got rid of my Rift S. Fuck cuckerberg

>>7306759
>>7306794
looks really good btw

>finally stop being lazy and filtered all the shitposting buzzwords

>thread improves tremendously

>>7306498
uhh no cause it never fucking happened
>>7306638
yeah, he tried to sue dick masterson

>>7304410
Just post it. People will post criticism, but only trolls will actually mock it. Even if people do mock it, who cares? You're anonymous here. This isn't DW or ZDF. The first step is the hardest, but you just have to make. Just make a map and post it. It's that simple. You'll get a lot of feedback, you'll get to learn the tools better, and you'll improve. There's nothing to lose.

>>7302834
>ywn play Maclo

When are we going to do another quake mapping event like HUH?
that was fun

>>7306819
Can you give me a list of your filters?

Was anyone ITT around to play multiplayer FPS on dial-up? Was it as painful as browsing on it? The first game I played online was Battlefield 1942 and that was after I got broadband so I never got to experience gaming on dial-up.

>>7307071
I played a lot of AvP2 on dial-up. It was actually pretty good.

>>7306064
>the concept of Doom 2 but different/Plutonia Super Saiyan 3 without anything new/conceptually different being done with it
What do you mean by this?

>>7304372
>>7304876
Thanks for the info boyos. Glad to see Babel get some love.

>>7307083
Whats speeds did you get for your dial-up? My area basically capped out at 5/kbs if you were really lucky with the average being 2-4. FPS gaming felt out of the question

>>7307071
I was in your boat. DSL 768kb right out the womb since my dad had dosh and was into the latest technology like most genuine boomers.

>>7305306
If you're using ZDoom or any of it's variants, open the console with `. Type [bind f5 "save 'quick'"] without the brackets and press enter. Now pressing f5 will save your game.

Pls help me playtest my map I've been working on

https://litter.catbox.moe/ngjxuj.zip

Limit-removing, tested in Crispy. PrBoom cl2

The map is for the D4V gameplay mod, which I haven't copy/pasted into my map yet, so I included it in the zip. Load D4V first, then my map, so that my custom music and demos get loaded.

I included some example playthroughs to help anyone getting stuck, but I'd say play it blind first. I included difficulties, so if you can't beat UV, try HMP, so it'll be balanced across all difficulties

Doom 4 Vanilla has some fancy brightmaps in software mode, so I recommend you use software mode in PrBoom/GZDoom, pic related

>>7305221
Wasn't there a Korean manga based on Blood?

>>7305306

>>7305654
I'm still going to contribute to 94 Protons Of /vr/ when that happens.

>>7305654
An anon many months ago now mentioned doing HUH 2: Electric Boogaloo. I'm going to try to get in on that as a fledgling Quake mapper. Here is HUH.
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/huh_final.html

>decide to replay marathon
>get to bob-b-q
>turn game off
>turn game back on
>get to colony ship for sale cheap
>turn game off

>>7307218
It was Priest. It's pretty cool and the author has been real explicit about how much of an inspiration Caleb had been.

>>7305306
Just use the quicksave bind.

>>7305572
Theres a nearby shootable switch that opens up a teleporter in a nearby room you can dropoff to.

>>7306316
The new 64 ports let you turn off the texture filtering, which I appreciate

>>7307150
Vanilla mapsets, even adhering to a specific theme and style influencing them, tend to be limited by the inability to expand on gameplay introduced by Doom 2/Plutonia/TNT. While it does allow for creative flexing, working within existing textures and monsters to make something new and fresh, I personally find wads that change/add existing or new behaviours/weapons/monsters to be more refreshing/challenging

>>7307297
So you want something like Valiant?

>>7307297
Sure but if that's not what you want, make your own map or start up your own project with your own parameters. Bitching is unproductive.

>>7307308
I mean, I'd just suck it up if everyone else was on board for whatever.

>>7307305
Basically

>>7307320
>I mean, I'd just suck it up if everyone else was on board for whatever.
Why would you settle for that? What is the appeal of working with /vr/? The anonymity? The truth is veterans and newbies alike come and go, so /vr/ projects always have a mix, but the veterans invariably leave, so /vr/ projects can NEVER be too complex or it risks scaring newbies. If you want to flex your stuff, you're better off making your own maps. I don't want to see you bitching again otherwise. For your own sake that is.

>>7307328
I like you all. Don't tell me what to do.

>>7307330
>I don't want a simple map project
>The map projects are always going to be simple because the nature of anonymity means there will always be new mappers
>I mean I'll still do it
>Wtf was the point of the bitching then?
>I like you all. Don't tell me what to do.
You're a strange fella, but alright.

Is the PS1 TC a good alternative?

>>7307361
alternative to what anon? if you want some spookyness there are better methods

>>7307334
If there's one place I can go to do pointless bitching about things I like its this website

>>7307364
To play the ps1 version on not original hardware.

I require more soundfonts, any suggestions?

>>7307396
>RLNDGM
>Scc1t2
You already have all you need

>>7307396
musyng kite and touhou.sf2 are my personal recs, I dug around and compiled the HD musyng for anons back in december since the forum links were dead.

https://mega.nz/file/tpASlJjT#WJWGQhKXolqdqMt39XtnNO-0ogyUAT8bv_Rcq_JGWEc

*perforates u*

>WAD has inconsistent nukige
name ONE thing worse about mods

>>7306759
>tfw playing my own HUH made map in VR
This is so fucking cool

>>7307521
what do you mean?

>>7307553
Green nukige floor hurts you on one level, but on a future level it doesn't for some reason. I guess it extends to every single floor that can damage you instead of just nukige, but FUCK if it doesn't piss me off when I can't trust which floor will hurt me and which one won't.

>>7307563
a-anon. It's nukage.

>>7307573
Whoops.
Doesn't change my point, though.

>>7307576
the poop water has that problem too, fucking hate when you can't trust the mud.

>>7307563
>Green nukige floor hurts you on one level, but on a future level it doesn't for some reason.
This is because liquid flats are not what determines whether it damages or not. And not every level calls for them to be damaging either. Sometimes a map uses green nukage because its green and works with the aesthetic the map is going for.
I can understand having an issue if its in the same level, because then the level isn't even following a consistent logic within itself (provided there arent textures that add context). But that isn't nearly as common.

>>7307587
To add onto this, there are maps, for example some in Plutonia that has water flats that can kill you. Fucking water.

>>7307071
A little. I mostly played MMOs on dialup and it was agonizing. The worst was when you got a call while in the middle of something, knowing your character was dead when you got back. And in the stuff I was playing, there was a much harsher punishment than in something like WoW.

>>7307592
Theres also a couple maps in Doom 1 where even non-liquids are damaging, like those blue lights on the floor in E2M2 and E2M7

>>7307573
lel
>>7307563
>>7307587
yeah that is wonky
>name ONE thing worse about mods
idk, baron spam is kind of booty. I don liek it.

>>7307607
ment for this
>>7307580

>>7306653
zen dynamics did a lot of things better, and I'm not saying this because I'm a hopeless xaser fanboy or anything

it's pretty freaky watching decino beat tough maps on blind runs