/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7295408
NO!!!

I beat The Lost Levels using savestates.

>>7295408
Marionette in Shining Force 1, fuck his ridiculous evasion, infinite MP, and FREEZE LEVEL THREE WHAT THE ABSOLUTE FUCK!?

I used save states for a lot of shit that I just wanted to see the endings of, mainly fighting games. There's nothing to confess though, it's not like I ever claimed I beat them legit.

>>7295408
Drakengard’s final, FINAL boss... I got to the point where I was savestating any fucking moment I could after spending an entire night trying to beat it. At some point the screen was so filled with black and white rings tightly packed together you just have to sort of “blank out” and hope your muscle memory gets you through as even the savestates won’t help.

Save states? What's that? I play on original hardware because I'm not poor

>>7295476
>I play on original hardware because i am a dumb consoomer who likes getting fleeced on ebay by random kids that bought shit at 1$ on a bargain bin years ago

CV1 Death hallway.

>>7295408
I use rewind in NSO.

savescummed the shit out of Kid Chameleon, and it was still really really hard. no regrets. I would never beat it the real way

>>7295408
I only play NES and 4th gen with savestates. I've only beaten ALTTP and Super Metroid without them.

>>7295408
i saved before bosses in smt 1 and 2. in my defence, some of them are absolute fucking bullshit.

>>7295408
It obviously isn't the same using save states, but I went through hell in the 90s with these games so I don't feel any guilt for using them now. I don't abuse it either. I will go through a hard section but I will save afterwards if they want to throw multiple in a row at you before you reach a checkpoint.

Remember, these games were meant to give you a game over until you played it over and over until beating it.

If someone wants to say "you didn't really beat it', I'd agree. That's fine. I just want to see it through and experience it.

>>7295498
>bought

A lot of them actually got it from garbage containers. Hence the odor of rotten apples.

>>7295408
I played all of castlevania 4 with save states.
I just don't have the time to fuck with it as much anymore.

>>7295408
I didn't actually beat Ecco the Dolphin. I used a savestate (really a password but functionally equivalent) to retry the final boss without having to repeat the autoscroller.

>>7295408
That level is an annoying chore, but it's not difficult at all.

It does show the difference in quality between the level gimmicks in DKC3 and the ones in the previous games though

>>7295428
Then you didnt beat it lol

I would make a save state at the beginning of every level in Super Ghosts n Goblins which I would load whenever a weapon appeared and I was knocked into it by an enemy, thus losing the Goddess Bracelet. I can't be assed to try to hunt for chests each and every time a weapon gets dropped onto me by an enemy with a pot. Scummy, I know, but it did force me to redo entire levels once or twice, so I don't feel too bad. I love that game.

>>7297125
I should add, I only did this in the second run of course. It was just to preserve the Goddess Bracelet.

>>7297127
You dont deserve the godess bracelet, scum!

If you still legitimately play every game from the NES without save states it just means you have no life or either you're in school or college and have a lot of free time. As I get older I just want to play some games I was never able to afford as a child. As someone else posted, I also try to beat a whole section legitimately then savestate because complete restarts on really old games was just a way to suck your time away inbetween game releases.

>>7295408
I do to 1cc games and then brag about it on 4chan, while also denying that I use savestates to 1cc games.

>>7295408
Sonic 2 special stages...

>>7295408
I used it for the doppelganger boss in Gargoyle's Quest 2, since getting a game over makes you go back like 2 stages. Fuck that
>>7297191
Mega based

>>7297142
This is what cope looks like.

>>7297302
No it's what being an adult looks like. I enjoy and played a lot of hard games when I was young and had all day after school and shit to play games. But parts of modern game design are nice such as quick respawns and shit. I still like to play difficult games today. But if you never use savestates and go yeah I'm hardcore for beating this NES game bro, no one gives a shit. Because everyone else is growing older and hopefully has higher priorities such as a spouse or a career. But it's ok bro, you keep slogging through those old games with no savestates.

I did it during the last level of Ace Combat 4.

>>7296807
Pc version actually gives you the boss password after the autoscrolling.
They knew they fucked up.

Bayou Billy NA version because fuck that

>>7297494
>NA version
>Enemies in the beat-em-up stages move faster, deal twice as much damage, and take twice as many hits to kill.

>>7295408
Manipulating the RNG so I can get all of the rages for Gau without expending 600 hours

>>7295408
I had a single heart left to defeat the 4-headed Aquamentus in level 7, and I couldn't retry because I didn't have enough bombs, and you restart with 3 hearts. I had to.

Mega Man 2

I use savestates in Pokémon because the saving and loading in that game takes like 15 years

>>7295476
>because I'm not poor

Yes you are. My guess is you probably also live with your parents, or off their trust-fund money so you've deluded yourself into thinking you aren't.

Once likelikes start spawning in zelda 1 I start save scumming because leaving the dungeon to go buy a new shield again and come back isn't gameplay

No one really plays retro games nowadays without savestates, that's just a meme.

Now personally, I have far more fun beating 50 to 100+ games a year (I only have the weekends) and learning more about different series, soundtracks, stories, etc. than playing one game to death.

I enjoy the experience, seeing the differences, etc. but not "legitimately" beating a game.

I savestate any random gambling minigame, just so if I end up with low cash I can get another shot much quicker.

>>7297904
Not the anon you're projecting to but wew lad you're projecting like a mofo

>>7297342
You typed this whole paragraph to delude yourself with all that cope. Sorry dude, if you dont have time for video games you should get another hobby.
>>7297930
Speak for yourself, I've never beaten a single game using save states.

FUCK THIS SHIT IN PARTICULAR

>>7295408
I used save states to beat the Redeemer boss fight

>>7296460
you had to have started collecting 15 years ago at least, by now all those garbage containers , flea markets and junkies selling their older brother's stash for a fix have been thoroughly scouted by scalpers and there's nothing left. Even boomers not say "better not throw it away, let me check price on ebay first" for any junk they have, its all ogre.

>>7295408
i have only used states at actual save spots and checkpoints in older games that have long ass game over screens.

I don't give a shit, it was bad design then and it is now. just let me keep playing instead of having to see the same screen again for 20 seconds and then have to go to the menu just to start at the same spot anyways.

>>7295408
Ghosts 'n Goblins
Ghouls 'n Ghosts

And I STILL couldn't fucking beat them.
Fuck you, Capcom.

>>7297689
I hope you've played it again without them because it's easy mode if you just beat metalman first.

>>7295408
The only acceptable use of savestates is grinding a specific section so you can play it later without them

I never used the regular saves in Final Fantasy games because it was easier to hit F5 or F2.
So in Final Fantasy 4 there's a part where you escape a burning castle and you're on a timer. The enemies were easy so I was grinding them and using the speedup in an emulator as well. I saved with 12 seconds left and went to leave but there was a mini-boss fight scripted when you cross a certain line. Needless to say, I would time out and game over every time and lost my entire game of progress.

>>7299735
Nah, theres still little trickles here and there. Smaller towns where older people still dont use the internet much and facebook confuses them. They still have treasures.

>>7295408
I savestated at the start of Jet Stingray's level so I could get the heart tank without having to reload the level every time I crashed.

>>7295408
Streets of Rage 2 on easy mode was still too tricky for me so I had to save states on the last level.

>>7295476
Having a CRT in your house = unobjectionally poor

>>7299759
i started looking into older consoles around 2005, before AVGN really made it big and the hipster retro craze started, around that time you could buy a genesis, nes or snes with two or three dozen games included on a big box for under 50$, it was dirt cheap, probably because all those kids who owned originally were going to college debt or getting into drugs, psx and n64 being slightly more expensive than that.

Hell, 20$ and you'd get a NES with all the essentials on it, Castlevania, Zelda, Mario, duck hunt you name it.

>>7297302
>suck your time away
I hate this stupid zoomer mentality. If you can't bear to play a game/section of a game more than once, you are irreversibly brain-damaged.

Thought I was a lot worse but the only state I found that wasn't for screenshot/commemoration purposes was Kabuki Quantum Fighter

I'll give it a legit go eventually

>>7295408
>emulatores
kek, you'll play games like a big boy someday
no you won't

>>7295408
All the NES Mega Man games. But only during actual checkpoints because it was no different from unlimited lives

>>7299852
can you emulate PS5 right now?

>>7299852
>big boy
>codeword for manchild

>>7295476
You mean original software right?
You can still save state on original hardware with en ever drive

Whenever I feel like I want to use a savestate I usually just drop the game. If I have the urge to use a savestate usually that means I'm not enjoying the game enough to push through and git gud.

>>7299905
older games, even good games were shit when it came to certain quality of life features or were to limited to implement them and sometimes using save states improves the experience and makes you appreciate the game more, is not necessarily done for chessing purposes

earlier today i started a new game of Fallout 2 and saved before each pickpocket attempt and after each successful attempt.

>>7295408
I use it for its intended purposes, to suspend play for a later time if it doesn’t allow for saving

I used save states on my first playthroughs of every classic mega man game as a kid except for 8-10.

>>7295408
I use save states because I have a life, job, children to raise, etc.
I guess that's this debate done and dusted. NEXT!

>>7300102
i mean, sure, but if you have a hobby you are already using your free time. If you already took the time to play games why the rush?

>>7295408
I use the retroarch hardcore achievements thing so I can't savestate. It's pretty rewarding, but NES games are a fucking ballache with passwords, and I still never beat mother brain in the first metroid.

That level freaked me out as a kid

>>7299847
The increased difficulty and harsh punishment for losing all lives on early NES games was to suck away time though. It was a symptom of the arcade mentality existing in developer's minds. This was later remedied mostly on SNES with developers realizing the game could only make a 1 time profit so checkpoints and such were more heavily implemented. Also I'm almost 30 so it's not a zoomer mentality. I just don't have as much free time as I used to because I'm an adult.

>>7299669
You just sound like a loser who sits around all day playing games instead of having a healthy mix of hobbies including gaming and you know a career and family.

>>7299905
Git gud bro. Imagine having this mentality and not just enjoying shit. Must be sad only having video games in your life and no other accomplishments.

>>7299669
No one should consider video games a hobby you sad cunt. Past time maybe like any disposable entertainment. How fat are you?

>>7301971
No gaming is a hobby. Just like lifting or playing instruments. It's something you do to pass time that is beyond just mindlessly turning your brain off like television or women shit like shopping. It's ok bud, you still come off as a loser who has nothing to live for beyond video games. One day you'll get a real job and family and games will just become a hobby for fun. Until then you can keep not using savestates. But just know I will always be more successful than you.

don't lie

>>7295536
on that part as we speak. its definitely tough but its doable. the hard part is having enough health for the grim reaper.
the levels leading up to it is pretty easy so I'm just using the in game continues. no shame in saving some time with save states though, I know I did that the first time.

>>7301948
>i zoom zoom my zoomie zoom
How to spot a faggot who started posting once 6th gen was allowed 101
>>7301952
>>7301971
We get it, you /v/ermin hate video games and see them as looser hobbies for nerds hence why you're such successful people you come to the Chinese cartoon channel to boast about it. Lmao you zoomie normalfags probably didn't even use 4chan before 2016. Get good nerds and stop coping, or go back to >>>/v/ where you belong

>>7301952
>>7301971
The fuck are you doing here then? Go back to your "families" and "careers" and "lifting" or whatever the fuck normie niggers do these days

>>7299661
>you're projecting

lmao, every time. I moved out and got a job a while ago kiddo, you should too.

I saved state beating death without getting hit because I hated the hall way so much I save state right as I got to his room without realizing I had no health.

>>7302163
>>7302189
Come on, don’t deflect. How fat are you both?

>>7295470
I savestated it because lol fuck that, but you can also just pause the game and count the rings. Pause, count the order, practice a couple times, unpause, hammer out what you saw, and then pause again. Once you're at the end it takes almost exactly that amount of time for the new ones to arrive, if not even a little faster. It features the cardinal sin of being super easy till the last 30 seconds, in which case it becomes ludicrously hard. Can't stand that sort of stuff, so fuck it.

Also save stating isn't a sin in any game with a lottery or random drops. That's a time wasting mechanic and it's just common sense to cut it out yourself.

>>7301964
>projecting this hard

>>7302274
I'm fat, I don't give a fuck, and neither should you (about me being fat, if you want to be fit it's your life). Now discuss games or go back to pol or fit or lgbt or whatever the fuck containment board you belong in

>>7302312
Never gets old. All power to you, Chubs. What game would you like to discuss? MacDonaldland? Fat Princess? Cooking Mama?

>>7295408
I save before bosses in metroid games to avoid repeated trips from the last save point and the boss.

>>7295428
You didn't beat it.>>7295408
I have none to confess because I don't use save states to beat games. I use them to skip stages and to continue, but if I "beat the game" then it doesn't count.

>>7295408
i savestate whenever i fucking feel like it.

>>7302274
Not fat at all zoom zoom, as being unhealthy would fuck up my performance. Go to the gym at least 3 days a week, and juggle that in between a job and school however I still have time to play these games which zoombies cant wrap their little ADHD riddled brains around. They have to make up excuses like "bad design", "didnt age well" or my favorite, "artificial difficulty" when in reality its all a coping mechanism for being shit. They need to instant gratification that modern games offer but need the epic "retro cred" so they can brag about it to their "friends" on discord.

>you didnt beat it!!!
the player still completed every task the game asked of them, just without retreading the earlier parts of the level/game every time they died
sure sounds like they beat it, just without wasting any time

>>7302419
>still in school
>calls other people zoomers

>>7302420
LOL this zoomie probably thinks he "beat" contra with the Konami code

>>7297689
Beat it on Difficult

>>7299692
Do you not know you can use your cape here?

>>7302435
I didn't. I don't know if I had one at the time either.

>>7299832
>Having a a CRT in your basement that has been collecting dust for the past decade makes you poor

>>7302428
I know zoomies can't possibly wrap their heads around the concept of improvement hence why they think gaining XP in ubisoft shooter #673 is evidence of "improvement" but I can assure you the real world is far more complicated than that.

>>7302446
post a selfie big man

>>7299832
>zoom zooms can't wrap their heads around the concept of holding on to old tech and thinks anything thats older than 2 years needs to be thrown out
Lmao I bet this nigger buys a new iPhone every year too
>>7302449
I would, but this is a blue board and all the "selfies" I have of me involve my face smothering your moms tits and that would result in a ban.

>>7302473
>I would, but this is a blue board and all the "selfies" I have of me involve my face smothering your moms tits and that would result in a ban.
lol thats what I thought, 12 year old

>>7302479
>zoom zoom is not in COPE overload
Its okay kiddo, maybe you'll find the pics circulating around pornhub and you might get a taste.

>>7302412
king shit

>>7302189
Doesn't realize large swathes every type of fucks have used 4chan throughout the years. Doesn't realize I've come here since at least 08. Doesnt realize most people on 4chan are fucking normalfags anyway who just like to shitpost. Thinks he's special and different and not a normalfag because he is actually aautistic and not the meme autistic we call ourselves.

>>7302163
The funny thing is I never said I see video games as a loser hobby. I just said you shouldn't take them so seriously especially if you're a functioning adult. The time for grinding out NES games just to prove you can beat it to internet people is long gone. You would know that if you were old enough

>>7303013
Then go back to your containment board or v, normalfaggot

>>7303026
>yeah bro, why are you talking things so seriously? You could be having sex with girls and slaving away for Mr. Noseburg but you prefer to get good at video games?
Normalfaggots, not even once

>>7302205
>projecting intensifies
>larping intensifies
You're not fooling anyone kiddo

>>7302419
>school

38 here. I learnt discipline from pc games having quick save/load; same principle. Over use it and you’re ruining the pace of the game and never getting any better at it. Games aren’t that hard on the whole. Mind you, I don’t have the time dedicate to them anymore. I get the whole “you didn’t truly beat it” but some games either aren’t worth going back and trying again legit or simply don’t require you to - something heavily story focused for example.

>>7295408
>Castlevania 3 - Stage 7
I just couldn't fucking do it in one run. Everything else was perfectly fine (even Dracula was easier than this shit) but doing this for about 4-5 hours was just hell before I gave up.
>Dracula X - Stage 6
By that point I was just tired of playing the game, I didn't enjoy the difficulty of this game.
>Alisia Dragoon - Stage 8
I just couldn't be asked to go through the entire game again because the boss has three stages and I kept dying at the final stage because I didn't know the pattern very well. I tried to complete the game legit and probably spent around 6-8 hours on it but after dying to Stage 8 twice I just save stated it.
>Mike Tyson's Punch Out
I just used it when I would lose a match so I could retry it, I didn't really want to fight boxers I'd already beaten again and again to get back to the one I was currently on.

Probably a few others I can't really think of right now. I try not to use them, but if a game is taking too much of my time and I'm close to the end I'll use them, otherwise, I'll try and do it legit.

Contra III on SNES all day every day.

>>7297548
the only ones you actually need are Catscratch and Charm; although Flare Star is fun to have

>>7302230
glad i'm not the only one
i reloaded this hallway so many times the game started glitching out