/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7272205
>re 4
no

>>7272205
Literally every game that was multiplat with the semi exceptions of SH2 and MGS2.

Splinter Cell 1, 2 and 3
They were made by a different team, came an year after the original release and were downright worse. The areas were split in multiple micro-areas, adding a whole bunch of extra loadings. The first game was ported by Ubisoft Shangai, which also made the second one on all platforms, while Montreal was making Chaos Theory.

>>7272205
Inferior in what way? Graphics? The new content makes up for it with ease.

>>7272217
Nah.
There's a lot of games that were only on PS2 and Wii with the main difference being motion controls on the Wii.
Some other games are lower resolution on PS2 than Xbox but feature more advanced lighting effects on PS2 such as some of the Need For Speed games.

>>7272217
Add to that every Dynasty Warriors game especially the wretched DW3 port which barely works on the Xbox.

>>7272205
how was it inferior on ps2? I thought it was the best on that console.

I mean, everyone loves the PS2 extras, even myself when I bought it again back in the day. But the experience was compromised and let's not pretend it wasn't. It ran so much better on GCN that you may as well use that as the primary after the novelty of the Ada missions wear off.

This also doesn't matter in present day. You can get the best of everything in the PC version so this is a dead fight.

>>7272205
Cubefags are still salty this exists. It was a great version. More content just slightly worse graphics. A good trade-off.

>>7272385
Nah, I think the GCN sucked as a console overall and I got way more mileage from my PS2 tenfold, especially from burning import games. It's just A) This is moot since the downfalls of both are addressed in future ports so why care and B) The downgrade is way too apparent when you do them back to back. Though to be fair, most didn't so it doesn't matter except for those who want to compare them, which is expected in a comparison thread.

>>7272205
I thought most people played this game on the PS2 since it's way more popular console

>>7272385
THIS
the extra content was so good the Cubecucks are still mad they didn't get the chance to experience it on their shitty console

>>7272367
>I mean, everyone loves the PS2 extras
I don't, they're really bad as game content. Especially the lightning gun.

>Matilda: Have to buy it, it has its own unique strengths but is only debatably superior
>Typewriter: Costs 1 million, giant item
>Rocket Launcher: Costs 1 million
>Handcannon: You have to max rank every mercenaries level with every character, get the gun and pour money into upgrades with it
>Lightning Gun: get it for free just for completing the game, takes the gameplay out if the game, makes all the above utterly pointless for no work
It was a "please buy this worse version" throw-in that should have been removed or rework in the actual good versions that came after. It just degrades the existing content on its own.

There was already an Ada mode and they decided to do it again for some reason. With disgusting low quality FMV cutscenes that no future version could fix.

>>7272205
Aresident evil is truly the worst RE game to ever exist.

>>7272251
>Not preferring the Wii version over the PS2 version.
Wow.

Also with the Gamecube version, you can use the Carby HDMI to get the highest quality video output to play this game. PS2's HDMI cable is shit.

>>7272205
>inferior
>because the graphics is slightly worse.
dilate please.

Played the heck out of it. Kid brain simple does not care.

>>7272935
how hard is it to just stick to turn based? those could actually work on console.

>>7272279
Nah, Wii is the most fun to play cause of the pointing. You might think 'well what about PC?' but it's TOO good and easy on there. Wii had the perfect balance of power given to you while still having awkwardness to make it tense.
That's just my opinion having played a couple versions of RE 4 though.

Time splitters 2 and 3 which is funny because the series started on the ps2.

>>7272984
PC version allows for cool mods, such as the nude Ashley mod. Therefore the PC version is the best version.

>>7272984
Wii version is already stupidly easy

now that the dust has settled, the original version had artificial difficulty caused by controls that aged like milk. not exactly the dark souls of survive-em-up dead spacelike shoulder scrollers I must say.

>>7272987
isn't the GC version the worst for 3? it has worse textures and is missing some music tracks

>>7273025
Yeah bit it's still the most fun to actually play. Very few games are hard anyways

>>7272781
I mean, I did imply the PS2 Ada stuff wore off quick in the message you quoted. I don't like it now but "extra RE4" was a legitimate hook for anyone with 2+ consoles. But in hindsight, it didn't offer much.

>>7273025
That’s literally why I play survival horror games exclusively with a controller, missing shots is good for tension

>>7273126
I agree

>>7273154
I never thought "unresponsive controls are scary" was one of the better arguments for tank controls, there's got to be a better way

>pee ess 2 no run symphonia as good as geimukyuubu
>rewrite arr rogik fo thaati efpiessu
>wwwwwwww

And that's how the Gamecube original is still the best way to play this game.

>>7272710
Exactly. Whenever someone shits on the PS2 version it's ALWAYS an angry Cubefag that got cucked out of his exclusive title.

>>7273514
>>7272710
>>7272385
It's 2020. Stop pushing out of date console war bullshit, jfc it's like you guys really are mindless NPCS where
>someone said bad about thing = blame xfag for it!

>>7272916
Fucking what. That would infact be the primary objective difference between the versions
>Low, Interlaced resolution on 99% of the games
>Have to own a backwards compatible PS3 or an expensive ass OSSC to de interlace the image properly
>Still a blurry mess
>Chuggy frame rate on games with more than 5 enemies on screen
>Usually the version with missing or lower resolution effects
>Screen tearing and stupid long load times on most open world games

Take your meds

>>7273578
>Have to own a backwards compatible PS3 or an expensive ass OSSC to de interlace the image properly
OSSC deinterlacing looks like garbage, use a GBS from AliExpress instead
>Usually the version with missing or lower resolution effects
That is exactly the opposite of reality. The one thing the PS2 was good at was a variety of effects using the vector units.
Most devs couldn't be arsed to port those to other consoles.

>>7273534
It is console war bullshit to call the PS2 version bad. Tell, what makes it bad? The graphics are worse than the GC versions. That's it and nobody cared about that. Otherwise, it was the exact same game with additional content.

>>7273657
>the graphics are worse
I mean that's a solid reason, isn't it? Granted I'd never tell anyone to play anything but the PC or Wii version myself since you get better controls that make the game more fun to play along with that bonus content

>>7273657
Not him but the added stuff in the PS2 version isn't worth playing with worse graphics imo

>>7272209
>implying RE4 isn't absolute dogshit on PS2
hot take

>>7272251
>The new content makes up for it with ease.
lmao uh no, not really. 2 guns and an extra Ada sub-mission don't make up for literally everything else about the game being worse. the graphical differences alone are sickening. even the fucking tree branches are 2D sprites in the PS2 version. you are retarded as fuck

>>7272385
>slightly worse graphics.
Get your fucking eyes checked dude that version is insanely ugly next to the GC version. Shit was so fucking compromised that the HD versions they sell now STILL look like garbage during Ada's cutscenes.

>>7272861
I'm with you brother but we don't talk about the Wii on here.

>>7272929
That's not even the version of Fortnite that anyone plays so what point are you trying to make?

>>7273731
>we
lol
>Wii
yeah, "we" do

>>7273657
>That's it and nobody cared about that.
Mindless Snoy cope. Everyone cared and your version looked like dogshit. Seperate Ways was great but your version still looked and ran like trash next to the Cube.

>>7273657
I know it's hard for you to understand since you weren't alive when this game came out, but in 2005, this was easily one of the best looking games ever made and the graphics were the main selling point. the PS2 version came along and ruined the controls, added input lag, removed small game segments, removed dynamic lighting, made many 3D objects into 2D objects, removed small touches like flickering candles, lowered the framerate, made the textures even worse, compressed the cutscenes, and then wrapped it all up with 2 new weapons and outfits that are nothing more than joke items you get at the end of the game -- oh yeah, and a minigame. whoopdy doo. Gamecube will forever shit on this trash ass version.

>>7272205
That trash should never be ported. Nintendo PowerPC is the master.

>>7273578
>uncomfortable Male organs

>>7273759
The version was so compromised that the cutscenes are still unwatchable over a decade later when you okay the Seperate Ways mode on an Xbox One or whatever. PS2 was such garbage hardware.

>>7273587
>The one thing the PS2 was good at was a variety of effects using the vector units.
Could you post some examples? The ps2 ports Ive seen will blur the fuck out of smoke and fire compared to xbox that ive seen.

>>7273773
for some reason they keep using assets from the PS2 and PC versions every time they port the game. for example, i still dont understand why they use the retarded 3D models of items on the inventory screen in modern versions, instead of the smooth filtered 2D sprites of the Gamecube version which looked so much better. just look how bad this looks compared to RE4 on GC, and it still fucking looks this way.

>>7273770
>here is your (you) so you can feel like someone is listening to you for one second of your miserable existence
Thank you for contributing to the conversation.

>>7273534
>It's 2020.
No it isn't, dumbass.

>>7273787
theres an AR in re4?

>>7273787
Okay I thought I was going crazy since I sadly haven't touched my Cube version in a few years and when I played the HD version last year I could have sworn that the inventory looked like shit for some reason. I guess I was right.

>>7273825
No

>>7272205
>>7273773
>>7273710
LMAO XBOX TRANNIES MAD THAT THEIR NO-GAMES CONSOLE CAN'T PLAY RE4

>>7273825
no this is a modded PC version but the graphics are the same, just an example

>>7273787
who even needs that much healing? are you some kind of casual?

>>7274512
Even in hard mode he should be immortal with these

>>7273787
the amount of gun mods for re4 on pc is massive. too bad they used the inferior ps2 version.

>>7272942
>turn based?
OUT!

>>7273804
>9 days into the new year
>GOT HIM LMAO

>>7273787
how did it look on gamecube? post a pic

>>7274667
as you can see this version uses sprites as opposed to the angular 3D models seen in the PC version, especially visible on the grenades which actually look round as opposed to the PC's triangular grenades with a massive seam running down the middle. i just dont understand, why switch to these ''high res'' models instead of just upscaling the sprites and smoothing them out if need be. reeks of laziness

>>7275326
kys nigger it looks worse
the PS2 did it better

>People unironically defending the PS2 version
Nostalgia runs that deep, huh.

>>7275538
the PS2 version uses the gamecube's sprites though retard, this is the PC version. if i was your nigger father id beat you like an old shoe for being so blunt you nincompoop

>>7275693
You will NEVER play this on the original Xbox.

Seperate ways isn't even fun

>>7272205
Is there ANY multiplat that's best on PS2? Asking for a friend

>>7276153
soul calibur 2
link/spawn fags get OUT

>>7276153
Any that can't be played on Xbox

>>7276229
But the GameCube was way more powerful than the PS2. Games pretty much always looked and ran better on them unless it was a really sloppy port.

>>7276238
Oh I know they're better on Gamecube but it's better to play them on PS2 than not play it on Xbox because it has no games

>>7276238
No? GC is inherently shittier due to those shitty little discs they either had to compress the textures to retarded levels or throw out whole mechanics and game modes not to mention the inherit color banding that shit console has because of poor design.

>>7276246
But what about ummm Stubbs the Zombie???

>>7276247
Look how wrong this idiot is. My toaster has better hardware than the shitty PS2.

>>7276250
>My toaster has better hardware than the shitty PS2.
Xbox had no games

>>7276260
Xbox had better games than PS2.

>>7276270
t.delusional

>>7276279
PS2's library is mostly inferior multiplats, shitty JRPGs and hilariously bad shovelware.

>>7276285
>SHOVELWARE SHOVELWARE SHOVELWARE SHOVELWARE SHOVELWARE SHOVELWARE SHOVELWARE SHOVELWARE SHOVELWARE
Why are xboxfags so sad bros?

>>7276290
I see that word cuts deep. With good reason.

>>7276293
You know what cuts deeper?
Xbox has no games

>>7276302
Sony fanboys attempting to turn the whole PS3 has no games fact onto other consoles is pathetic.

>>7276305
You will never play Resident Evil 4, you will never play DBZ Budokai 2 and Tenkaichi 3, you will never play Viewtiful Joe, you will never play Okami
>SHOVELWARE!
These are the words he speaks in an attempt to heal his wounds.

>>7276308
>PS2's library is so shitty Sony fanboys have to praise objectively inferior versions of multiplat titles
Damn.

>>7276314
>no multiplat
>no exclusives either
Xboxbros are we retards?

>>7276323
You wish the Xbox didn't have multiplats. Maybe then there would be a PS2 game worth playing.

>>7276334
>You wish the Xbox didn't have multiplats
>no re4 no budokai no viewtiful joe no okami
AAAAIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>7276337
You shouldn't waste your time with the PS2 versions of those. What a shitty console, no wonder it's the platform of choice for poor thirdworlders.

>>7276340
>PS2 version of those
>He doesn't know half of these were PS2 original
I cachinnate.

>>7273720
content>graphics
stay mad tendie

>>7276347
Once games get ported off the PS2 they're always improved by default. If they get ported to the PS2 they need to be downgraded because the hardware was shit.

>>7276357
>Once games get ported off the PS2 they're always improved by default.
Show us the improved Xbox version of them then, oh...I see...

>>7276359
The GameCube and Wii versions of those games are all better than the PS2 versions.

>>7276359
You are terminally asshurt over the Xbox.

>>7276362
>The GameCube and Wii versions
Yes anon, I know that.
And Xbox still has no games.

>>7276363
Cause >SHOVELWARE SHOVELWARE SHOVELWARE SHOVELWARE SHOVELWARE
isn't butthurt over PS2

>>7276369
Accurately assessing the state of the PS2's library isn't a sign of butthurt.

>>7276373

>>7276373
>>7276376
>Piss station
>God box
You're sad to the point of spending time making shitty webms about your mental war
You have no right to call me asshurt when you're a really sad individual worthy of pity.

>>7276381
>sony fan can't even take light banter like dumb filenames
Oof.

>>7276376
>Omg it's blurry le best graphics ever
OG Xbox graphics are literally irrelevant now, they're dogshit compared to 360
But games..they don't have games do they? Lmao

>>7276391
>they don't have games do they?
They do actually as you can plainly see.

Xbox and GameCube had better versions of SoulCalibur 2

>>7272205
But all PS2 versions are inferior.
No anti aliasing.
Visual filter a little green, yellow, disgusting.
lack of light effect.

In addition, the multi-tap and the network adapter must be purchased separately, while the Dreamcast is equipped with 4 controller ports and a modem ...

>>7276610

>>7276621
Top image looks better on ps2 tho.
Reverse for bottom image.

Is there a decent source for what is the best version of any given game? I’ve had an annoying time trying to look up some games.

>>7276718
Did I write this? I've been asking this shit way too often lately lol
Including in this very thread

>>7276864
>Including in this very thread
I knew I should have skimmed more before asking.

>>7276621
Dreamcast version has always looked better to me.

>>7276363
Xbox. The machine to play shit ported PC games. Half life, Doom 3, Fable, Far Cry, Kotor... they even tried Counter Strike on it! lmfao

>>7276381
>provides objective comparison to reinforce their argument
>YOU X-FAGS ARE SO DELUSIONAL
sure thing, cupcake

>>7276153
Need for Speed Hot Pursuit 2

shOvElWaRe

>>7277023
missing a lot of hidden gems.

>>7276153
Scareface
Game was made for the PS2 and blood was censored in the ports.
Other than that, PS2 loses on all other multiplats.

>>7277023
Kek, destroyed.
To Xboxtrannies, "Shovelware" means every good PS2 game that they can't play because their console has no games.

>>7272205
Evey fighting game ever posted to ps2

>>7272929
This meme is garbage

>/vr/ thread
>Everyone is complaining about graphics
Lol

>>7273892
360 and Xbone can play it though (yeah I know, not actually retro, but neither is PS/Xbox console war bullshit), it's just a shitty PS2 port and you're better off playing the Wii version on Dolphin.

>>7276953
KotOR is the exact opposite of what you mentioned. The Xbox version is stable and the PC version is a buggy mess that requires a million patches just to work right.

>>7278506
95% of vr posters have not owned the systems they trash talk.

>>7277023
WHERE IS CHULIP

>>7278489
>360 and Xbone can play it though
Yep, years later. I do think both these consoles are okay, it's the original Xbox who's irredeemable garbage.

>>7273710
Actually I implied that it's shit regardless and so is the thread for being low quality bait that only faggots would bump.

>>7277023
The PS2 has one of the best game library's of any system.

>>7280465
It shouldn't be a discussion, it's a fact.

>>7280465
Video games peaked during the PS2 era.

>>7280465
Yup

>>7280719
Masterpiece!

>>7272935
>PS2 mouse
KEK. Would love Warcraft 3 on GameCube.

>>7280750
>>7280719
Shit version. Felt amazing & perfect on NGC.

>>7272205
>gamecube virgin ass blasted by the fact that he bought the beta version of the game
thanks for testing

This game works better with a Gamecube controller, let's be honest.

>>7281142
Pic related is also better on Gamecube.

>>7281142
Unfortunately one thing known to not work better with a Gamecube controller is human hands

>>7281227
Were you born missing a finger or something.

>>7279594
See that's wrong too, especially when you make the bold and inaccurate claim that it has no games. I bet you'd defend the Saturn in an argument too.

>>7280885
Wrong. DC version was best

>>7276941
Literally the greatest game ever made don't @ me

>>7281525
I will @ you because I agree. MGS2 is the best game ever made. Kojima has proven that he's a hack and that Fukushima was the big brain, though.

>>7280465
PS2 and the SNES really are in a different league when it comes to libraries

>>7277023
Notice that your list is only 1/30 of the actual game library. For every 1 great game on the system there's about 50 shovelware titles that aren't even worth looking at. Anyone think of playing Petz: Cats 2, or Star Wars Super Bombad Racing? How about Animal Soccer World? Shovelware indeed. Sure it has plenty of hidden gems as well, but you have wade through tons and tons of crap to find them, more so than any other console except maybe the PS1.

>>7281689
>SHOVELWARE SHOVELWARE SHOVELWARE SHOVELWARE SHOVELWARE SHOVELWARE SHOVELWARE SHOVELWARE SHOVELWARE SHOVELWARE SHOVELWARE SHOVELWARE SHOVELWARE SHOVELWARE SHOVELWARE SHOVELWARE SHOVELWARE

>>7276153
I can't think of any games that are unconditionally better, it's always a trade-off with features and graphics or performance. MGS2 and 3 are probably the least disputable.

This is probably the newest game I've played where the port is so bad it's no longer a good game.
Shit graphics, shit controls, shit load times, and every cutscene is a shit quality recording of the GameCube version.

>>7282808
If people wank Gamecube so hard here then why did it not, um, sell?

>>7282887
I know it's allowed here but would you mind going to /v/ for your consolewar shitposting fix?

>>7282891
kek shitting on ps2 is stating the facts but mocking the cube is consolewar shitposting
what a pussy

>>7282887
They did, 20million units. Nintendo even made a profit on the Hardware, as well.

>>7282937
>20million units.
Lmao.

>>7282887
The Gamecube wasn't a big hit and lived in the shadow of the PS2. Remember that the Gamecube was competing against what is now the best-selling game system of all time though, so it's not so much that the Gamecube was some embarrassing flop--it was just snuffed out by the PS2s insane success. Losing to Sony and then having to compete with MS too was really a good lesson, it planted the seed for Nintendo to break away from their immediate competitors, which was great for them in the end.

>>7283067
>this is your brain on nitnendo

>>7283067
And yet Cubefags keep desperatedly trying to shit on the PS2, interesting

>>7283068
>>7283069
We had a Gamecube in my house but it was my little brothers, I was also a PS2 person. I still don't own a Gamecube. The Gamecube had a lot of factors working against it selling well, and it didn't. But the quality of the library isn't one of them.

>>7283080
>But the quality of the library isn't one of them.
Neither is for the PS2, but I guess that bitching is for Xboxfags mostly since they have no games.

>>7276153
Is it okay to say Half-Life?
Full on keyboard and mouse support with the option of remapping your keys for the best possible control layout.
Exclusive co-op campaign, Decay.
Can play the Dreamcast "exclusive" Blue Shift campaign.
I've even heard that the game can be modded but I seriously fucking doubt that.

the thing that sucks about the PS2 RE4 is that i'm pretty sure subsequent "HD" etc ports used models/assets/lighting etc based off of that, it's insane how lazy capcom is when it comes to milking their cash cows dry

>>7273749
Seething

>>7282949
I like how you missed out the bit that it actually made a profit.

>>7276902
There are two releases of DOA2 on the PS2 one which is used in every anti-PS2 thread and is based on a unfinished version Tecmo forced Itagaki to release and a updated and actually finished version that was released later and looks better than the dreamcast one while sporting more content.

>>7282887
Because K7 sold 50k copies worldwide(from which most were on the PS2)

>>7273479
nah fuck that, ps2 version is better. gamecube does technically run at 60 fps (in battle only) but the thing would constantly drop frames like a motherfucker - you cast genis spells like tidal wave and the game runs at 10 fps.
ps2 version has so much more content that it makes the gamecube version look like a beta (characters like regal just don't have unison attacks in the gcn version for example) and it also isn't so fucking blurry all the time.

I have a lot of nostalgia for the gamecube version but outside of the tech/spell cancel glitches ps2 version was definitely better, because it came out like a year after the fact so they could revamp it

>>7276153
MGS2/3 because pressure sensitive buttons

>>7281689
>all of these actual good video games don't count because a bunch of brazillians also made games for it
ok
> but you have wade through tons and tons of crap to find them
guarantee you didn't have to "wade through" petz or fucking animal soccer world at gamestop to pick up quality ps2 games.

>>7272205
gonna skip all the "muh graphics" and talk about the real reason why RE4 on gamecube sucks - they made it way easier. knife does way more damage, ammo drops more, less enemies on screen because the ps2 couldn't handle it, and easy mode + overpowered weapons like the laser. only thing that makes the ps2 version harder is that the graphics are so washed out you can get ambushed by the invisible bugs more easily.

best version is probably the wii version once you plug in a real controller instead of messing with waggle, which is not an advertised feature, since it has the ps2 version content while having better (but not """hd""" that looks ugly) visuals than the ps2

>>7287253
Jesus Christ that's depressing. It's such a fantastic game. I don't even want to know how badly Viewtiful Joe did.

>>7287253
>>7287723
>Because K7 sold 50k copies worldwide(from which most were on the PS2)
why lie?
https://www.vgchartz.com/game/1110/killer7/
https://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=3586

viewtiful joe also did way better on gamecube than ps2 because it came out way earlier, although the sequels were more equal.

practically all of them

>>7287734
Vgchartz isn't reliable.

>>7287720
>guarantee you didn't have to "wade through" petz or fucking animal soccer world at gamestop to pick up quality ps2 games.
Have you been to a game store? All I can ever find there is Madden sports games.

>>7272278
I'm pretty sure DW3 barely worked on PS2 as well.

>>7272279
I'd say Wii is the best, but motion controls are great in shooters. If we're just talking about the older consoles, PS2 is probably better than GameCube for the extra content, but the game looked really bad on PS2.

>>7276153
Silent Hill and Metal Gear games.

>>7272217
Castlevania is also better on PS2, so is crash twinsanity (although this is debatable)

>>7289708
I'd get Crash on PS2 just cause playing Crash on anything other than Playstation would just feel wrong.

>>7287714
Just play it on PS3

>>7276621
>>7276902
>>7287252
Why even bother when you can play the superior DOAU2 on xbox?

>>7276153
Silent Hill 2.

...

>>7289708
I remember Curse of Darkness running better on Xbox but my memory miight be switching both...

Whats better about the PS2 version?

>>7272205
doesn't this version have more content?

>>7272929
og fortnite was actually fun, shame they gave up on it

>>7287717
This has been thoroughly debunked with the HD version. Clicking stick to put away your gun is superior

>>7272209
>the worst audio compression i've ever heard.
You're not even trying.

>>7272205
Literally every PS2 multiplat was worse than every other version at the time, the only exception being Rayman Revolution which added more content.

>>7276153

>>7272205
I'm playing the PC version of pic-related and something feels off, I can't quite put my finger on it.

>>7294972
>I remember Curse of Darkness running better on Xbox but my memory miight be switching both...
Oh god that one was awful.
I bought Metal Arms on the Xbox and years later I picked up the PS2 port, thinking "how bad can it be"?, well I learned. 30fps, awful low res visuals and terrible input lag. Fucking awful.

>>7294978
The PC version is the only version anyone should get RE4 for.

>>7274597
>leaves his house so little he can't keep track of the fucking year

>>7294978
Post moar

>>7276391
>OG Xbox graphics are literally irrelevant now, they're dogshit compared to 360
Ey boyo, wanna some umm... Hot take?
OGBox graphics are superior. Shit was bright, stylish and sharp as fuck, not dull oily blurry mess RRODBOX was.

>>7294943
Weird that people insist on PS3 being the Metal Gear console when it has one exclusive game and all the multiplatform games run better on 360.
Everyone defends the pressure sensitive buttons because of muh artistic vision, but surely all the graphical glitches in the ports are more damaging to the artistic vision, and if you cared you wouldn't play HD Collection at all?

>>7296483

>>7298431
PS3 is the MGS machine because you can play every game on it.

>>7300412
yes, but that entails playing the worst performing version of 5 so it shouldn't be celebrated so much