/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7258008
The people who made the game also made the other, wehadthisthread1,000,000,000timesalready-kun.

>>7258008
the point was to create a new game that retained the concept of multiple paths. it's not directly related, like final fantasy games tend to have connection to previous installments

>>7258014
Final fantasy doesnt shit on previous games by killing the previous characters for sake of drama (i think). they just recreate the lore as they see fit

>>7258015
i didn't mean to make an exact comparison to final fantasy. i just mean that similarly, you get new characters. who the fuck cares if characters from the previous game are now dead? at the time this was released, nobody was asking for a direct sequel or expecting one

>>7258008
Smoothbrain take OP, proof that you just don't get this game if you're so fixated on 'muh original characters' and nothing else. Piss off

Imagine repeating this childish opinion for 20 years straight...

at least they could have given them some sort of heroic sacrifice type death.
and hell, Chrono Cross hates the original game so much you even find Gato and Johnny are fucking dead, holy shit.

The main game takes place in a dimension where they got rekt. There is also another dimension, where by defeating Lavos a future where project Kid was possible exists. There are also other dimensions that played out completely different, such as the dino ending in Trigger. Why can't trigtards get this VERY SIMPLE concept?

>>7258685
This, nevermind the fact that only Lucca was explicitly killed off and in the good ending, this likely no longer happened.

>>7258685
OH NO! PEOPLE DIED IN A STORY INVOLVING TIME TRAVEL? HOW CAN THIS BE FIXED?

>>7258685
I think its because Cross has terrible pacing and doesn't know how to prioritize its plot points. It relegates the multiverse concept to a few easily missed lines very late in the game during giant info dumps. And since the majority of the game is spent hopping back and forth between only two worlds easy for players to make the assumption that the two worlds you see are the only ones that exist. It being a giant multiverse is a plot critical element that simply isn't given the narrative space it requires.

>Marle dies
>No Ayla
>Schala becomes a dumb blonde whore
Dropped
>lukek thankfully dies
Only good thing to happen in this game.

>>7259387
None of this would have happened if the Trigger losers used timetravel to save Schala. Either way it's good that they decided to use new characters instead of rehashing the boring Trigger cast.

i'm glad they're dead. fuck chrono trigger. chrono cross is better

>>7259687
Serge's absence in Another is (likely) the reason why they can cross between the two dimensions. Home and Another are also quasi-linked, some stuff you do in one influences the other. Dimensions besides those two are not much represented (and don't really matter much in the context of the story sans the dragons), but they are there, and referenced multiple times.

>>7259970
Yeah but it needed more than just to be "referenced." It'd be like if Jenova were just a background element in FFVII. The weight of the plot point versus its plot presence is really imbalanced. I'm having trouble putting it in words but I think it was just sloppy and made much harder to tease out than it should have been. Cross's story isn't especially cerebral, it's just written like it wants to be and that screws everything up.

>>7259995
The dragons have as much backstory as "lol came from the skies and fucked shit up" Jenova.

Chrono Trigger DS kind of retcons the existence of Cross taking place in another dimension;

in the Dream Devourer ending, Magus somehow magically turns up there even if you have the same Magus on your team. There's no real explanation as to how he even got there and defeating the boss leads up to him memory wiping himself to the leadup of Cross.

Wheras the original ending just involves Magus teleporting back in time (or elsewhere) looking for Schala. He still holds onto his memories and if anything, indicates that Radical Dreamers is the actual sequel, since he remembers Frog, the Masamune and Schala.


Also, Cross struck me as a game written out of spite considering the characters that were killed offscreen and the heavy modification of the story. It isn't ""ballsy"" at all either. No effort is written to give the original story a weight to the events of Cross and it even tries to go out of its way to make the 'new' cast the new 'heroes' of the franchise. Not to mention Sakaguchi was not even involved in the game (nor was Horii or Toriyama, the most important guys on the original staff) and even admitted there was internal drama going on to stop an 'actual' sequel from being made. Is it also a bit strange that Kato gets all the interviewing press too?

>>7260762
based. fuck chrono trigger

>>7258009
>also made the other
Actually not true

>>7258014
>it's not directly related
It 100% is though. I've seen variations of this posted before to defend CC and it always baffles me because the story is 100% a sequel to CT and the climax and set up of the entire game is to deal with a plot point from CT that was never resolved.

>>7260838
ok you can call that directly related. many would disagree.

>>7260851
>many would disagree.
And they would be stupid to do so.

>>7260830
uhhh...anon..the post pointed out that trigger ds has probably retconned cross, because the original team and creators maybe came to the realization that it wasnt very good after coming back to it years later.

>>7260858
ok, sperg who is never wrong and superior to everyone else. enjoy yourself

The Last Jedi almost 20 years before The Last Jedi

>>7260860
Man, this is one of the whiniest responses I've ever seen on /vrpg/

>>7260859
i don't care what the team think.s i don't care how much of a sequel it is. i don't carea about chrono trigger characters dying. chrono cross is the shit. cry more, plebs

>>7260762
The Magus that finishes the game is Magil from Radical Dreamers.
The Magus (Prophet) who manages to summon Lavos/Dream Devourer is Gil from Chrono Cross.

>>7260867
nigga you don't even know what board you're on

>>7260879
Ha, yeah realized that after I posted it. Honestly though that just makes it worse since the average age of this place should be high enough that whining like that shouldn't even cross someone's mind.

>>7260881
>cross
they shouldn't get TRIGGERed so easily

>>7260870
thats perfectly ok. im not crazy about the writing quality of cross and think its a bit hamfisted for my liking but theres a lot of really fucking cool concepts and ideas in the game. you do you bro

>>7260895
nigga i'll do whatever tha fuck i like. you got fist a ham, bitch ass trick

>>7260871
But how did Gil even come into existence in the first place? The DD Ending in the DS has both Magus' facing one another without explanation as to how the 'other' version even got there.
From the looks of it, Magil is the canon Magus from Trigger, judging by the dialogue.

>>7260907
uh...sure?

>>7260910
Time travel a confusing bro

>>7260910
The same person can exist in different time periods. You just need to travel backwards once and everything is fucked. Remember the Prophet and Janus (kid) appear together in 12000 BC. If your Magus travels back once again to where Lavos was summoned, he just created another version of himself.

>>7260939
That is true..
It still leaves a plot hole open in regards to the DD Ending though. Once you defeat the DD, GilMagus is the one who calls out to Schala and ends up wiping their memories in grief. But it doesnt exactly explain what happens to the gang that "defeated" the DD 'with' Magus. Do they go back and convinced Magus himself to avoid ending up in the same way? Does he become Magil or assume another identity? [spoilers] Does the RDs timeline indicate Crono, Marle and Lucca get killed or is it just Lucca? Because that plays a significant role as to how Cross proceeds.. [/spoilers]

>>7258008
I hate this game and I hate that it exists.

>>7262231
It really wasn't this bad but like many I kind of wanted a Trigger 2 more. I need to go back and play this game though because I never beat it. It was definitely a quality game.

>>7259906
this is what snoyboys actually believe

>>7262231
Game is fine. It does have one of the most annoying fanbases on all of /vr/ though. It's right up there with classic REfags and FF8fags

>>7258015
>Final fantasy doesnt shit on previous games by killing the previous characters for sake of drama (i think)

>>7262824
That wasn't a game and how canon it is anyways is highly debatable

>>7260907
A Chrono Nigger has appeared!

People complained about all of this upon release. It helps if you forget the original existed and vice versa.

RD is acknowledged as another dimension in Cross.

Also what is up with Giga Gaia? This boss looks distinctively different (better) from the rest, as if it was outsourced to Quintet.

>>7260978
According to Lucas' letter, Magus is still alive somewhere, so they came back with him. He is the Magil from RD, and the RD dimension exists within CC - if you go to Chronopolis, there's an entry with the intro of RD written in there, and they even say there may be more than two dimensions.

What most likely happened to the gang was that Crono/Marle got teleported away during the Porre/Guardia War, and Lucca was busy taking care of the orphanage.

We don't know for sure that Lucca got killed either, because when you look at the flashback of the orphanage burning, Lynx is looking out of an open window. Maybe Lucca escaped?

>>7262901
>It helps if you forget the original existed
Once again, that's impossible to do when CC uses CT and it's characters as huge crutches over and over and CC's entire plot comes down to 'fixing' the lingering plot thread that CT had left over.
It's not an FF thing where CC has nothing to do with the other game, instead it's a tumor sucking on it's side and demanding that you pay attention to it

What Chrono Cross a spite project against CT? Why did it shit on CT so hard?

>>7260762
>indicates that Radical Dreamers is the actual sequel, since he remembers Frog, the Masamune and Schala.
I thought Cross retcons Radical Dreamers into another dimension?
RD is obviously written as a side story for Trigger. But then Cross happens.

>>7260762
>Cross struck me as a game written out of spite considering the characters that were killed offscreen
The game's theme is butterfly effects, and the old cast unceremoniously getting killed off due to one time travel too many is a perfect way to drive that point home.

Also, Kato was the scenario writer. It's his franchise. Sakaguchi, Horii and Toriyama means fuck all.

>>7263980
>It's his franchise
Obviously not since his game was a dead end that completely killed the series, lmao

>>7263997
>before CC was made, CT was a dead end that completely killed the series, lmao

>>7263980
>Sakaguchi, Horii and Toriyama
>part of Trigger
>universally agreed classic
>not part of Cross
>universally divided on quality
Yeah, they mean "fuck all".

>>7264174
You're kidding right? Kato was the writer of Trigger. He decided over most major points over the story. Crono's death was his idea. Zeal was his idea. Magus was his idea.

>>7264450
I'm not kidding. Those 3 shaped what we love about Trigger, just like Kato.
But unlike you, the rest of the anons here aren't retarded, so they agree with me, and not you.

Should I bother replaying RD? Been a while. Like over a decade.

>>7263872
It originally retconned CT into another dimension, as by the text, but the extra ending in the DS entry might possibly invalidate that, since it seems to show that without the DD ending, CC wouldn't exist.

>>7258008
>Before the game even starts Crono, Marle, and Lucca (the same people who defeated Lavos) get killed offscreen by random soldiers from the "Kingdom of Porre".
In what part of the game was that revealed? I must have missed it.

>>7264450
>"Kato is HIS franchise, NOBODY elses"
>even though he proceeds to go on to write porn dramas and shitty TV series
>also singlehandedly kills off the Mana series thanks to Children of Mana
>messes up the lore of the Chrono series and most likely is solely responsible for causing ChronoBreak to go nowhere and fucking over Sakaguchi

yeah, what a great guy

>>7263081
Its pretty much the same as the imperfect cell lavos/ bizarro lavos boss

>>7265085
>also singlehandedly kills off the Mana series thanks to Children of Mana
the father of the mana series is literally the lead game designer of this game.

>>7265085
>messes up the lore of the Chrono series and most likely is solely responsible for causing ChronoBreak to go nowhere and fucking over Sakaguchi
what on earth is this fanfiction even about? Cross is a 1.5 million seller and has a 94 meta despite not releasing in Europe at all. Who fucked over who?

>>7258025
>nobody was asking for a direct sequel or expecting one
Are you kidding me? It was all anyone would talk about.

>>7265085
>most likely is solely responsible for causing ChronoBreak to go nowhere
It became a oldschool-style Final Fantasy mobile spinoff.

>>7265072
At some point before the events of Chrono Cross, Porre became a military power and one of the characters (Radius I think) lamwnts about how the nation of Guardia has seen better days. That's all we actually get in Chrono Cross, due to only seeing some Porrean people and not the actual state of the mainland. In the Chrono Trigger PlayStation port though, there is an added FMV for New Game+ showing, for no good reason, that the kingdom of Guardia fell a few years later in some violent conflict, which led the Masamune to disappear into the wrong hands. Kato said around this time in an interview that Porre may have had some outside help beyond the flow of time, causing a bunch of Compendiunites to speculate that it was Dalton since he disappeared in a gate (although it was implied to be wherever he summoned the Golems from, not a time gate). Cue the DS port and surprise, Dalton has an extra boss fight in a dimensional vortex where he suddenly announces his intention to wipe Guardia off the map after you beat him then vanishes, and no one talks about it again. Also in the DS port: said extra FMV was moved from post-New Game+ to specifically the Dream Devourer ending.

Honestly this reeks of a plot point Kato wanted to include in either Cross or a future game like Break but never had a chance to work in properly.

>>7259856
>None of this would have happened if the Trigger losers used timetravel to save Schala.
You can technically try that in the DS version onwards. Dream Eater fucks 'em up so it's effectively impossible to accomplish.

>>7265952
Pretty sure that already happened in RD

>>7265952
>>7265973
Kato really, really wanted Porre to be this big bad militaristic empire despite the first game depicting it as just another quaint village with an asshole mayor.

I suppose it's possible a time traveller or other outside force could come in and steer Porre's development into a military nation in 10-20 years provided there's no one around to stop them... it's not really believable though. One of the CT endings suggests Guardia fell to some other aggressor nation in 1005 A.D., it's hard to believe that could have been Porre.

>>7266679
What makes it harder to believe is that only Guardia had military at 1000 A.D. and Dalton had no army.
Porre suddenly being a military superpower without Guardia knowing/being aware and then being caught off guard is bullshit.
I would have believed it if somehow Melchior fucked something up and Medina had an uprising, but still, Chrono and co. fixed that problem and Medina and Guardia are amicable with each other. Hell even Porre's asshole mayor was "fixed" by Chrono and co.

>>7258008
CC is about dimensions not time travel, don't worry though because chrono, marle and luca are still alive in another dimension lol

>>7258008
This game is such obnoxious fucking JRPG tripe, and I'm not even a fan of chrono trigger.

Quite possibly the most innovative jRPG of all time. If companies had the balls to make sequels even a fraction as daring as Cross, we would live in a golden age of gaming.

>>7269306
>Quite possibly the most innovative jRPG of all time

>>7269306
>didn't wife Leena
What the fuck was Serge's problem?
Marry/Fuck/Kill!

>>7269343
Fortune teller jinxed it

>>7262315
dont really know what you mean by this because chrono trigger is beloved by pleb sois along with earthbound.
do you not know this?

>>7266679
>less than 5 settlements on the entire planet at any given era
Nothing is believable in CT's worldbuilding.

>>7258008
>Before the game even starts Crono, Marle, and Lucca (the same people who defeated Lavos) get killed offscreen by random soldiers from the "Kingdom of Porre".
Not stated anywhere in this game.

Everytime people repeat this opinion about the fate of a few CT characters, it makes me think everytime that they either didn't play or didn't really pay attention to what was going on. There was nothing mean spirited in context. Nevermind them dying is canon in the original game already... and you solve that issue in both.

>>7258008
Chrono Cross is an audiovisual masterpiece and the fact that it STILL filters brainlets who just wanted a carbon copy of Trigger only makes it better.

>>7264551
I played it once, enjoyed the atmosphere but hated how repetitive it got in the second half.
Might be worth replaying if you're doing NG+ for the side stories though.