/vr/ - Retro Games

Take your meds

>>7250594
Why not?

>>7250594
How do you define retro then? Because I was playing fully 3D games years before the one you posted was made. Obviously this is shit tier bait, but can you actually say anything of value?

>>7250594
What gave that game such a retro feel?

>>7250639
Because retro to him means "what I played when I was a kid" and not what it actually means.
He's probably used to getting his way and is frustrated that the world isn't falling in line.

Or just bored and looking for some easy attention

This guy gets the picture. Ps2, shitcube and equis box will never be retro.

Would you not consider Wolfenstein 3D, which was released in 1992, before the PS1, a retro game?

>>7251426
>>7250707
Computer games do not count

>>7251307
Retro means "what was cool before my time or during my youth", dipshit. Retro is 100% subjective, and every person has their own retro era.

>>7251298
ALttP feels very modern to me. It's much less dated than the likes of Majora's, that's for sure.

>>7251457
modern and retro are not mutually exclusive.

>>7251465
Modern and retro are full antonyms.

>>7250594
checkmate faggot

>>7251445

pic related

>>7250594
Video games have been attempting 3D as early as they possibly could. You're definition is based on the dishonest premise of keeping people you don't like out of your treehouse.

>>7251510
Yes, this is why it is better to use cpu bits instead. Anymore than 16 is not retro.

>>7251445
Phew, look at those goalposts a movin!

>>7251445
Console baby to the max!

>>7251697
Lol

>>7250594
Ok fun hating boob

>>7250594
Pic related (2007, Windows XP) is retro.

>>7252149
>goalposts
Back to lebbit

>>7250594
So doom nor starfox were retro even though such games, and that one sharp console that was uber expensive in Japan, had tons of games that were 3d made around the time of A Link to The Past?

>>7250616
They don't make meds for black and white thinking. He's triggered by newer games and wants to draw a line. Tons of robot types are that retarded, hence why wizchan's rules are retarded and actually attract no hermit types.

>>7251445
Forgetting that snes was a computer, starfox and doom you nigger.

>>7250594
This is a 8 years older than the game in the image but somehow "not retro" according to OP.

Does this mean Star Fox was never retro?

Keyed and lockpicked.

>>7250594
Putting aside what you're actually saying, the tacit implication in your post is that there were no 3D games before LttP and that's just blatantly wrong. Holy shit is that just wrong. Comically so.

>>7253127
That's actually what he's trying to say, yes. OP is competing in the retard Olympics and currently on track to win the gold medal of shitposts.

>>7253124
Essentially not retro

>>7253420
In what way?

>>7251406
Why not?
>>7252957
>r*ddit invented moving goalposts
By far the most retarded post I’ve seen this week

>>7251445
OP is disqualified from the NFL for hurling the goalpost like a javelin.

>>7253448
He's just deflecting. It's pure bait and not even good.

>>7253127
Star Fox is retro because it's mostly 2D with the illusion of 3D distance.

>>7253421
Sorry meant to say essentially retro, same reason as Star Fox. Had a bit too much gatorade and vodka.

>>7253601
Of course it's retro, along with all the other old 3D games you drunken piece of garbage.

>>7253608
>all the other old 3D games
This is where you are wrong though, and we have to draw the line somewhere. <=4th gen is quintessential retro, but 5th starts to move away from the feel to an extent. We can give 5th gen honorary retro status on account of the jump to 3D still being very primitive and shitty, while retaining the retro spirit. 6th gen is too far removed from <=4th gen to ever be retro though. Time for all the kids to go back home to /v/.

>>7253594
so it's mostly retro

>>7253649
Go to bed and stop drinking. You sound like a lunatic moron.

>>7253649
You just come across like a whiny and impotent fag when you make posts like these.

>>7253837
Not him, but this is ironic, since you also seem like a whiny impotent faggot when you post about 6th gen being included in the "retro" category.

>>7251469

T. brainlet. The modern period ended in 1945. We're now in the contemporary period of history. In thought and art, we left modernity behind long ago.

>>7253649
6th gen is older to now than 4th gen when 4chan launched.

>>7253850

Enjoy your space on the fringe. This board and other retro gaming spaces have left you behind lmao

>>7251407
don't see any trannies there. looks like heaven to me

>>7250594
OP will never be retro. I know all you retarded little shitposters want to be "cool" and talk about your "retro" bait threads, but the fact remains that OP is not retro, and will never be retro.

>>7250594
>>7251445
So the Super FamilyComputer doesn't count?

>>7253124
Or the Vectrex?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymrYkbEbnEQ

>>7254132
Age is not a factor

>OP thinks shit like pic related is a masterpiece

>>7250594

I think the schism on this board which is kind of not being addressed except for when people bitch about it, is that their are big differences in eras of gaming. The more systems that get co-opted, the more the focus on certain time periods is gonna get diluted. When ps4 is considered retro, this board might be covering too much retro ground. Separate 1960 - 99 and 2000+ retro boards might be the only way to make room. Sperging now seems weird, but 360, wii, ps3, getting adopted next, especially considering how little growth has occurred graphically between them and the current gen, it will probably be bad for the board.

>>7254862
No, I just this it is retro and has nothing in common with 6th gen.

>>7251445
consolefag

>>7254897
It's not being addressed because it's not a real schism. There are a handful of people who desperately want to gatekeep this board for the specific few games they have nostalgia for and everyone else who recognize that things change all the time and what was new 15 years ago is now old. The former will scream and troll but their opinion doesn't really matter.

>>7251445
Give one good reason why not.

>>7250594
>posts worst retro Zelda game

>>7250594

>>7254987
Only games OP has played count. Anything else doesn't rub his nostalgia boner so they can't be retro. Since what "retro" means for everyone on earth is what he remembers from being a child.

>>7254959
>hat was new 15 years ago is now old
Yet, the only thing they have in common with actual retro games is that they are video games. The design, gameplay, mechanics, etc of <=4th gen are a product of their era and have nothing in common with 6th gen games, unless we are talking about jrpgs. Age is not a factor.

>>7255014
Games change constantly. OP's insistence that computer and arcade games don't count in his little "only 2D is retro!!" just highlights how ignorant those who whine about this are.

>>7254850
Yes it is. That's the whole point of retro. Something that is old.

>>7250594
I think you are not wrong to say 3d isn't classic gaming. But 3d is retro.

>>7254778
Vectrex and Battlezone are other good examples. I just though of Star Wars first.

>>7251406
Extremely retarded post

>>7255604
How is 3D not classic gaming?

>>7255810
Simple. He's a retard.

this board's really shit

>>7255914
Then go to /v/ zoomer

>>7255810
I see the merit in saying 3D is retro but not classic, like Wasteland 1 is undoubtedly a classic, or even Rogue, but they're very primitive for games compared to what we know. It's hard to say Wolfenstein 3D is in the same league as either Rogue or Wasteland 1. I mean a decade in between would do that

Are video games old enough to have different tiers of old? Like classic, vintage, retro etc.. ? Like cars I guess? I sort of understand what OP is saying, but I've seen people with cerebral palsy articulate themselves better.

>>7255145
>Games change constantly
<=4th gen games do not change though, and what they are is set in stone. These are the only true retro games and they need a board dedicated to their discussion.

>>7250594
In 30 years it will be
/thread

>>7254987
tic-80 has a game like this, it's not retro but pretends to be.

>>7254850
correct

>>7255264
cavestory was made to be 8-bit tier in 2004. Now it's finally retro, and gamecube objectively isn't, but gba is.

I'd make the rules but autistics guilty of facism and black and white thinking would be too mad to let me be a king.

If you buy a duster, even if made now, it's retro. If you buy x thing and it's retro style it's retro now, buster brown. Furthermore, if they wanted to they technically could have just used a supercomputer to make psx games in like the 80s. They just had no motivation to do so, so such computers were used for movies, missile targeting radar stuff, etc. As a thought experiment retro is merely a style of.... low effort. Lower quality. It's quaint though, homey, good enough, and modesty is pleasant often enough, so we like it. Also, emulator culture makes people like it, it being so cheap, of which coincides with low effort behaviors.

inb4 bait

>>7251426
raycasting and open gl shading is not 3d

just saying

>>7257527
Doesn't matter to OP. It's just computer wank to him, doesn't matter if it came out really close to A Link to the Past .... unless now that it's pretend 3D, will OP consider it retro? Or the fact it was ported to the SNES count either?

>>7257575
>doesn't matter to the OP
Why doesn't it when those triforces were 3d at the intro of the a link to the past game?

The thread is objectively about aesthetic. Ergo, OP is right. If it has retro aesthetic then it is retro. 3d has nothing to do with it, as literally we see in 2d anyway, of which is why raycasting is 3d to us. A flat image is 3d, it's how we see.

jus' sayin'

>>7251407
where do i join

Fuck you and the tranny whore you rode in on. You can't spit on david brabens achievements in a retro game forum, without expecting to get your ass gaped like silly puddy. Arguably the best space sim until elite dangerous, frontier elite 2 is one of the best retro 3d games ever made. Another testament to retro 3d is zarch (also developed by braben) on the bbc acorn and airheart on the apple 2. You're also forgetting about the other 3d space sims of the time that are noteworthy, like, star glider 2 and space rogue. Then there's lesser know games like mercenary 2, midwinter 2, hunter, encounter and the colony, which are classic 3d progenitors, not to mention the myriad of other games I'll forget to mention. To say the more well know 3d pioneers like arena/daggerfall, doom, mech warrior, MS flight simulator, wizardry, Utima, alone in the dark, star fox, system shock, etc... Are not retro, is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

>>7250594
whatever u say OP

>>7254862
actually looks pretty good (NOT OP) what is it?

>>7258371
montezumas revenge

>>7257735
>The thread is objectively about aesthetic. Ergo, OP is right.
This is something that 6th gen zoomies cannot comprehend.

>>7257525
No

>>7250594
Hardware accelerated 3d with texture filtering doesn't feell as retro to me. Its like a different kind of retro, I have a pentium 4 and I like to play those early 2000's pc games, back then they made every polygon count. The future of 3d models for games is going to be something like photogramatry and 3d scanning, basically in a few years all the models you see in game won't be designed by humans which will make them look a little wierd but it will be soo much easier that every game will do it. Its the same concept with pixel art, at some point it became easier to paint the chacter on paper and then scan it into the game rather make your sprites a dot at a time.

>>7255810
It is classic, but the retro "aesthetic" (I hate that word) and feeling is completely lost in most 3D games released after 4th gen.

>>7260654
You're retarded.

>>7260767
Not as retarded as you though, kid.

>>7260654
>retro "aesthetic" (I hate that word) and feeling
and gameplay mechanics
Compare a <=4th gen shmup like Contra to a 6th gen shmup like RE4 and try to tell me that RE4 is retro. You are severely mentally retarded if you think that RE4 and Contra are both retro games.

>>7250594
>Star Fox
>Super Mario 64
>not retro

>>7260825
Nice comeback from a guy who's uncomfortable with the word aesthetic. You're delusional and focused on nostalgia.

>>7261315
Not him, but he has a point. The word aesthetic doesn't mean cyan and magenta with fake scanlines and a mock-up of a VCR menu.

>>7261443
Of course it doesn't, that's precisely why I'm making fun of him.

>>7261550
My point was that the kinds of people that use the word aesthetic are mostly "vaporwave" obsessed children going through their "everything from my generation sucks, I wish I could go to the _____ies" phase.

>>7250594
shit take

>arcade games from 1983 are not retro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHkwdvfXHJc

>>7262238
That's probably because you're used to only talking with children.

>>7250594
Anything pre 2008 is retro

>>7250594
SNES and 32X already had full fledged 3D games. Likewise for 1990s PC mustard rice games.

>>7252217
>Ass Creed
Even the newer Thief games were less linear and more immersive.

>>7262860
everything pre-Crysis is a different world

>>7251445
you moron even the Atari 2600 had 3d games

>>7258589
I don't know, I see the point about aesthetics, but it seems sorta retarded that one of two games that came out at the same time isn't considered retro whereas another is.

>>7251445
Then what would you call computer games that were released before 1994? Are they just old computer games to you?

>>7262993
It's shitty bait, it would have been more accurate to say that 2D and 3D games released before a certain point are retro. The "aesthetic" which defines retro games applies to both. 6th gen games (and most probably 5th gen) do not have this defining aesthetic.

thank you op, you speak the truth. old 3d might look like shit with low poly and gross textures, but that doesn't make it "retro" just ugly

>>7262853
Welcome to 4chan?

>>7250594
I think OP has a point in that the slice of time,
during which games were truly 3D (so not counting pseudo-3D ones like Doom or Duke3D), and did not look like completely shit, while not being fully modern, is very short.
It essentially coincides with the PS2 era, so 2000-2006 give or take a few years.

>>7263001
>6th gen games (and most probably 5th gen) do not have this defining aesthetic.
For the sake of argument, can you define this defining aesthetic?

>>7254931
The problem is your understanding of retro.
>there's no way that the SNES is retro, I grew up with that
>"Retro is before the NES."
But if I say that now, I'm the crazy person.
>PS3 is retro
>X360 is retro
>Wii is retro
>3DS is retro
>Vita is retro

>>7264327
This really is the underlying issue

>>7250594
Ps1 and N64 are definitely retro, 6th gen is not.

>>7264327
the shittiness of early 3d is part of the charm, as is the shitty hardware and the unique situations it caused e.g. silent hill fog.

I'm sure op is trolling, but I'm weak, so: You do realize full 3d games existed before hardware acceleration?

Example #1: Hunter

>>7265826

Elite 1 was wireframed, so I can forgive you for not counting it as full 3d

>>7265828

Elite 2, however, was fully 3d, and still the largest game ever written purely in asm

>>7265834
Let us also not forget Stunts 4D

>>7264907

Everything becomes retro at some point

I don't understand why people are obsessed with what is and isn't retro. I don't see why there is an issue with 6th gen being discussed. If it's such an issue, just ignore those threads and posts. Nobody is preventing from discussing 5th gen and prior.
If anything, giving zoomers 6th gen threads will keep retards out of the other "real retro" threads.

>>7265850
They want to limit the discussion on this board to only the games they have nostalgia for.

>>7265850
>I don't see why there is an issue with 6th gen being discussed
6th gen itself is not the issue, it's the virgin trash from /v/ that come along with it.

>>7265889
Wrong. I have nostalgia for 6th gen, I just think it is too similar to modern gaming to be discussed on this board.

>>7251445
This level of retardation is why i barely come here anymore. Reddit is fucking better nowadays

>>7251406
Yes

>>7251426
not op
Wolfenstein 3d, although having 3d in it's name is not real 3d.
The first (mainstream) 3d game was Alone in the Dark, which actually used polygons.

>>7254897
1 /y2k/ for 2000+ games. Current gen stays at /v/.
2 The mobile games board approves generals, cleaning /vg/ for once.

People have been bitching for months at this point. Strict mods at /v/, /vp/, and a ban for every poster in coomer threads, a la pizza threads from /b/.

>>7266392
Yeah people have been bitching. They were bitching before and you trolls who would spam /v2k/!!! Are part of the reason it didn't and won't ever happen. The mods made a well thought out decision based on what people were calling for and implemented it. Other than your incessant whining it's made the board better, if you can't handle the change or ignore threads you don't like then you're free to leave. Trolling and crying will never get you what you want though.

>>7266392
This would be nice, but I doubt it will happen

>>7267475
>The mods made a well thought out decision based on what people were calling for
No, they didn't. Out of spite and petty bitterness they did the exactly opposite. The v2k thing wasn't a troll, it was the logical progression for new boards. Rather than looking at video games older than some arbitrary number as suddenly being "retro" it was, rather, a system to implement boards based on time periods. On individual eras.

/vr/ would have continued existing to house discussion for stuff going back to the very beginning up until the point where technology started moving into actual polygonal 3D and game design started shifting to meet the new tech, at which point /v2k/ steps in. Rather than actually discussing and solving the obvious problem of where /v2k/ ends and /v/ (or some other board) picks up, they chose the idiotic option that we're currently dealing with right now. The rationale being that the more boards that exist, the more spaces there are for ads which is, of course, literally the only fucking thing Hiro cares about other than data harvesting.

>>7266178
That's nice. Your opinion doesn't matter.

>>7269552
No. The /v2k/ advocates regularly trolled and shitposted acting like the rules of this board were up to them and anyone who doesn't like exactly what they like should fuck off. Well, you were wrong. If you can't handle discussion of games you don't have nostalgia for that's no one's problem but your own. /v2k/ was never a good idea and will never be a thing. Sorry, but not sorry.

>>7254134
Postmodernpilled

>>7250594
>3D will never be retro. I know all you retarded little children want to be "cool" and talk about your "retro" gaming hobby, but the fact remains that 3D is not retro, and will never be retro.
Do you know how I know you're a larping zoomer?

>>7250594
>3D will never be retro
it already is boomer, it already is.

>>7263001
>oot and majora are retro
>minish cap isn't

>dreamcst is retro also
>but cave story was not
the rules were always gay when you draw a thick line in the sand like that

>>7270549
>i'm mad because trolls
Yeah, that's pretty obvious.