/vr/ - Retro Games

Star Fox

>>725747
fucking this
also
>Ganbare Goemon

maybe we could ease off with the "stuff in the past is so much better than now" threads? I just want to enjoy nice stuff, not be constantly reminded how shit things are in the present

>>725737
It would be a much shorter list to name a classic franchise that DOESN'T suck now.

>>725737
To be fair. Ecco's situation is not for a lack of trying by the original Dev.

http://www.polygon.com/features/2013/1/30/3925432/fighting-the-tide-the-struggle-to-revive-ecco-the-dolphin

To Sega's credit, at least they've only tried doing Ecco once without Annunziata, and they've been smart enough never to fuck with it again.

>>725758
I second this motion.
It's not that I don't mind such threads once in a blue moon. They've just been too numerous recently.

Watch out, there was a thread similar to this one a few hours ago which was deleted. babbys complained that negative threads should only remain on /v/. It's a stupid notion, but I guess there is some mod on their side or something.

>>725782
We could have had Ecco 3 and the series possibly wrapped up on the Saturn nearly 20 years ago. Sega keeps refusing to give Annunziata the license back. He just pitched Sega of America recently and they turned him down AGAIN.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-05-02-it-was-just-there-dolphin-dolphin-dolphin

I hope if it's shown there's an audience for The Little Blue, it will convince Sega to let Annunziata make the third game once he finishes with the Big Blue.

>>725797
Well, SEGA not getting the IP isn't news. What I meant by giving SEGA credit is that besides the Dreamcast 3D game, they've been smart enough not to let anyone else touch it.

>>725806
True. At least Ecco hasn't suffered the horrible fate of Sonic. There was a planned sequel to the DC game called Sentinels of the Universe but they cancelled that when they ended support for DC.

A few years ago they posted this like a smack in the face to fans:
http://blogs.sega.com/2010/04/01/on-these-high-seas-no-one-can-hear-you-scream/

>>725791
>babbys complained that negative threads should only remain on /v/.

You should also stay in /v/ if you fail to see how bitching about shit you don't like isn't just mindless shitposting.

>Command & Conquer
>Banjo-Kazooie
>Bomberman
>Ninja Gaiden
>Thief
>Star Wars Don't give me any of that Battlefront 3 crap. I'm talking classic Tie Fighter and Dark Forces II. Battlefront isn't half as good as those games.

>Pokemon
>Zelda
>Spyro

>>725818
I had actually replied in derision in the comments section of that.

>>725829
>>Pokemon

I may be a minority but I never liked that series much to begin with.

>>725838
It went downhill after Gold/Silver.

>>725829
Pokemon and Zelda haven't changed fundamentally.

>Monster Rancher
I'm one of the only people that liked the Battle Card game for PS1

>>725850
More like its been getting better every game.

>>725825
>>Ninja Gaiden
It would be nice if they went back to sidescrollers.

Bomberman
Don't kill this series, Konami

>>725890
Read what Konami's mission statement is. Rereleases for all time.

>>725905
I want to believe

>>725890
Jesus christ.

>>725763
>It would be a much shorter list to name a classic franchise that DOESN'T suck now.
Can you think of any?
Megaman 9 and 10 were the rare exception.

>>725890
Bomberman2 for DS was a goddamn masterpiece.

>>725825
>Command & Conquer

Fuck you EA...

>>725856
You and me, bro. It was a surprisingly decent cardgame design, and I loved using the personality test to determine your starting deck. I wish it had gotten expanded as the franchise went on.

Wild Arms tried so hard to make a comeback. Shame any and all hope of a tolerable or remotely appropriate wilde-west/fantasy aesthetic went out the window when 4 came along. I will never forgive that hideous Gundam SEED looking fantasy/sci-fi art design.

Let's see how you do against Kung Fu Cutman!

>>725737
Castlevania is still good.

>>726315

Oh boy, here we go.

On topic: Monster Rancher

>>725916
Someone sold his soul to get those two made, considering how fucking much Capcom hates Mega Man and the fans.

>>726673
Fuck Capcom. No matter how much people boycott them someone will still buy their shitty games.

Metroid. There hasn't been a game released since 2004, and that was a remake. A good remake, but a remake.

I just want a campaign where I can collect salvage and micromanage my mechlab while making C-Bills.

That looks like it was made post-90s.

A lot of people have nostalgia glasses for the Genesis Sonic games, but they don't realize how much fun many of the newer Sonic games are like the Rush and Advance series, and even a few of the new 3d games. Going back to the originals, they really aren't as fast or fun as most people remember.

>Nobody said F Zero
Well, at least if the series dies, it will have died without a single bad game. Literally every console game in the series was better than the previous.

>>726863

While it's true that every game was better than its previous iteration, I thought that F-Zero for SNES was a very bare bones game to begin with, so it's not hard to beat out

>>726832
Rush Adventure kind of sucked.
Were the other Sonic Advance games any good? I played the first one and had a lot of fun with it.

>>726880
Advance 1 is the closest to Genesis games. Its really well done. Reminds of Sonic 2 but with a bit more polish in its level design.

It should be Sonic 4 if you asked me.

Advance 2 is very lame in its level design if you're asking for Classic level design. Its fun and very interesting to speed run so if you like speedrunning Advance 2 is great.

Advance 3 does a mix of both and it does an okay job.

They're decent series but not as good as Classic 2D sonic.

>>726880
I really like them. Advance 3 should be pretty easy to pick up, and is probably the best in the Advance series.

>that amazing spritework

>>726832
I've played them so many times.

I still think they're very well designed and fun to play. I do think people rag on the games like Rush series and Advance 2 too much. Its meant to be for people who like the "fast" nature of Sonic as opposed to momentum, sense of fluid pacing and control.

Mario
Zelda
Metroid

Any classic Capcom franchise.

>>726898

>>726760
>2004
You mean 1994

Chrono Triger
Final Fantazi
Mario
Spiro
Rezident Evil

A lot of the listed games have bad versions now but they haven't fundamentally changed or abandoned what they were.

I think that a franchise is no longer done justice when it is just a name to slap on a completely different game.

I mean final fantasy games are awful now, but they are still very similar to what has gone before.

Resident Evil is the main one for me. Its bad gears of war with the RE name.

>>726832
t's the kiddies who think the Advance games were good that go back and can't stand the actual exploration, platforming and general superior level design of the originals.

>>725737
>Phantasy Star

Phantasy Star Online 2 is in beta right now (or was it Japanese release?). Either way, it'll have an American release sometime soon.

I played the Japanese version for a very short spell with a translation fan patch, but still couldn't stomach having no idea what the cutscenes and many characters were saying.

If you liked the first PSO, you'll probably like this one.

It's weird how Modern Sonic resembles classic Sega games like After Burner and Space Harrier more than Sonic games. Sort of a weird full circle.
Colors and Generations took a step back in the right direction but Sonic 4 shows the series is still not regaining it's former glory.

The kind of people who enjoy Adventure 2 will never be able to relate though.

>>726315
That's a real funny joke.

>>725763
Ys

Darkstalkers. The crossover stuff is awful, out of character otaku-pandering bullshit (and even the third game in the actual series is too, depending on who you ask).

Dungeon Keeper
Conker's Bad Fur Day

>>725737
>Sonic
>Phantasy Star

get fucked

>>725818
I wish he had made Ecco 3 instead of Big Blue. Big Blue looks cool though.

>>725908
The hell? is this a real game?

>>728132
It is indeed. It's also the bane of many a 5$ bin, or at least it used to be.

>there will never be a megaman legends 3 because capcom is full of immature babbies

>>727998
But Lords of Shadows was great.

>>727970
Resident Evil has a better future now than if it stayed like the old games.

>>728210
It was mediocre at best.

>>728234
Much better than Castlevania Adventure.

Castlevania Adventure is the low point of Castlevania series.

Pretty much all third party franchises that started on Nintendo consoles and moved onto the competition. A differentiation to this would be third party franchises that had a game exclusively on a Nintendo platform, then quickly ported over to the competition for it to die, such as Resident Evil 4 and Capcom trying to recreate it two times in a row and failing.

Capcom saw the error of their ways, and seem to be supporting Nintendo a bit more than usual these days. Now if other companies did the same, the prophecy will come full circle.

>>726760
Prime 2 and 3 were great. Other M is a solid 8.5, still good.

>>728210
It has nothing to do with fucking castlevania... It's a weird clone of modern games like god of war and has sections that are rip offs of games like shadow of the colossus.

I mean seriously - name one thing that pile of vomit has that reassembles castlevania.

>>728278
I never said it was good, I just like the ad. Still doesn't make Lords of Shadow good.

>>725850
I think you mean Crystal, and then it became better than ever before with Platinum and HGSS.

>>725908
>>728132
It's based off of the NES game, before you sperg out like the idiots that killed off the franchise because they don't know its roots did.

>breath of fire
why did you have to remind me

also, the creator of Grandia is dead.

>>725858
The Game System is getting better for certain. Special and Physical split was the best thing to happen yet, and some new Pokemon are incredibly useful. New moves give existing Pokemon more strategies to use, as well.

However the games themselves just don't feel good anymore. The character (not Pokemon) designs are just getting weirder and weirder (though some characters look badass), the evil teams are getting even more gimmicky, Fire starters are BY LAW Fire AND Fighting, and the entire "metagame" is either about one-shotting anything that isn't Blissey or Snorlax or juggling your Pokemon in and out while a sandstorm with spikes is going on.

>>728462
>Metagame
That's not really part of the main series though.

You also forgot Stealth Rock

>>728468
Yeah, soon moves like that will render actual attacking moves useless. These new moves and systems are just being exploited to the point where you cannot win UNLESS you exploit them yourself.

People complained about Curselax in Gen 2, which is understandable since Snorlax was already an overpowering Pokemon. But I'm certain it could be just banned and still be more balanced and fair than today's metagame.

>>725851
Zelda games nowadays hold your hand way too much, if you ask me.

Paper Mario

>>728462
The character designs are subjective. I'm not a huge fan of them but i don't think they're bad.

The teams are getting gimmicky but they have decent motive(except Team Aqua/Magma).

You act like the metagame in and 1st gen and 2nd gen was so much better. 1st gen was literally 4th -5th gen metagame but with less options and more braindead stuff. 2nd gen was just boring ass stalling.

I just don't understand why game companies leave these franchises to die.

Is it because the original teams disbanded? Licensing issues? What keeps them from cashing in?

also,
>Panzer Dragoon
>Shining Force
>Front Mission
>Parasite Eve

>>728290
Not going to derail the thread, but no, it was awful. The gameplay just as bad as the story.