/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7250338
Congratulations, you're not a braindead human and can process the simplicity of the controller design.

It's shit innit

>>7250338
People who complain about it have actually never held one. It's because the original controller doesn't play well with their emulation set up and PS4 controller, which is obviously all Nintendo's fault of course.

>>7250338
Analog stick turns to shit quickly. Dpad is good but isn't used for 99% of games making you wonder why they bothered.

There's an absolutely miniscule amount of games that even use the dpad let alone the L button.
Most games don't even let you navigate menus with the dpad! They might as well have left it out entirely.

>>7250338
No you retard. You always grip the right prong and you grip either the middle or left prong depending on whether or not the game you're playing uses the Dpad or analog stick to move.

>>7250375
I honestly believe a large chunk of the vitriol towards the N64 controller comes from being unable to comfortably emulate N64 games without one.

>>7250338
If a retard like you could use it by holding it wrong, then I dont see why people would complain.

>>7250338
It's just a meme by brain dead console war retards and people looking for the lowest insulting point they can find.

>>7250389
>>7250394
This. It's easy to forget analog input was somewhat new and unproven at the time, and thus Nintendo wasn't entirely sure how people would interface with it.
That's why the stick and the d-pad (and L and Z) are just considered mutually exclusive by design.
Presumably if people just hated analog controls they could just tell people to hold it by the dpad and everyone pretend the analog stick never existed.

>>7250338
Superior 5th gen controller coming through.

>analog triggers
>analog stick that doesn't wear out from use
>can access stick, D-pad, and all the buttons without having to re-position your hand placement

Yep, I'm thinking Sega Saturn is my future.

>>7251043
They borked the controller to support that totally pointless grip in the center pic. Must have been Miyamoto geniusing again

>>7251116
>They borked the controller
No, not really. Worst case you can it wasn't useful enough but at worst it's just a wash.
>>7251096
These things are so shit to hold

>>7251116
Eh, I'm not sure they ever seriously thought all left would be a thing.
But they did just think in the purely binary either you only use the stick or you only use the d-pad.
it wouldn't be until later that people would even consider that for some games there's no reason for you not to let both the stick and the d-pad move the character, or that the d-pad could be used as its own input entirely.

>>7251186
they apparently thought the c-pad was going to be a thing and that people would be too retarded to grasp the concept of buttons that correspond to directions without that awkward naming scheme and button size. other than Mario 64 and FPSes, every game I played treated them as normal buttons that happened to have really weird names.

Same here, only mentally disabled retards cannot understand how to properly hold and use one.

Imagine letting players use either or

>>7251456
jfc, thanks for the PTSD flashback. iirc I put the movement on the c-pad and run on a shoulder button so that I could hold it down all the time, and used the stick for turning ofc... 'use', 'map' etc got stuck wherever. I can't cope with that anymore, I'm glad it got an official re-release.

best thing about the N64 controller was holding two of them by the center for Goldeneye and Robotron.

>>7250338
There are a few major problems with this controller...

>Joystick, it's weak and wears out.
>The design of the controller is gay as fuck. Who the fuck came out with this shit?
>You have to hold the controller in an autistic way to even play it right.

Sony, Sega and Microsoft understood this and that is why we don't have 3 prong controllers or nun-chuck controllers as "standard" on modern game systems.

>>7251096
This controller was perfect.

>>7251631
The DualShock hadn’t been invented yet so the perfect analog stick controller configuration hadn’t been discovered yet

>>7251652
>perfect analog stick controller configuration
>has left analog stick in the wrong position
FAIL.

>>7251652
Actually the perfect controller is the Xbox 360 controller.

>>7250338
If I'm holding the controller by the left and right prongs, what am I supposed to do with the analog stick? Put it up my ass? I don't have three fucking hands.

>>7251670
You do nothing with it; generally if a game used the d-pad as its primary input then the stick and z would do nothing.

>>7250338
this controller is why the xbox one has the left stick at the top

>>7251096
>can access stick, D-pad, and all the buttons without having to re-position your hand placement

When a N64 game need to use D-pad and Stick ?
When ?
Which game ?

>>7251695
Don't bother, these people intentionally ignore the fact that every single N64 game was made to accommodate the controller design so they can whine about it.

>>7251746
More seriously, I never had an N64 when I was growing up, I only ever played at other peoples houses and I found the controller pretty uncomfortable whenever I used it. I don't doubt it works but I've got no intention of giving it a second go.

>>7251631
>>You have to hold the controller in an autistic way to even play it right.
???

>>7251738
Bangai-O retard
People who think the n64 controller is bad aside from stick durability are retards man.

>>7251096
This analog stick is good for Nights and not much else. Enormous deadzone and nearly impossible to go in a straight line forward.

>>7250338
i've been using an N64 -> USB adapter since the late 90s. fuckin thing still works (barely, at the right angle). dpad is comfy. great controller.

>>7251782
For example, if you have Goro hands, you'll be able to use this controller with no problem. If you got big hands, you can reach every button, but it won't be comfortable. If you have small or medium size hands, you have to hold it in different ways depending on the game, but you won't be able to use all buttons.

>>7252042
Man people like you are fucking retarded. You're not supposed to use all the buttons at once, it's basically two different controllers combined in one so devs can pick which they want to use.
Why is this a hard concept for utter brainlets?

>>7250338
Its made for People that have 3 hands

>>7250464
Must be annoying tp have to remap the buttons etc to your PS4 controller for a!most every game. It's no wonder that these people lose their minds over it.

>>7251652
All Sony have done there is rip off a SNES controller and added two prongs on the sides. Then copied the analogue stick (Added two because copying the C-Buttons would have been too obvious) and rumble (after seeing the rumble Pak).

The also copied the Wii remote and Nunchuck after making fun of it and unsuccessfully adding motion controls to the Sixaxis? Remember that? They even copied the Wii U gamepad with the PS4 controller and that shitty touchpad that no one used.

Are Sony capable of producing anything that's remotely original?

>>7252332
>Are Sony capable of producing anything that's remotely original?
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Meanwhile, Nintendo keeps shitting out gimmicky ass controllers that no one likes.

>>7251116
>totally pointless grip

Those are modern axis controls that are used on literally every console shooter today. If they release an N64 classic edition it would be the only thing keeping GE or PD playable. It's in the game, but rare didn't make it default because people weren't ready for it. The PS1 alien shooter by argonaut got critically panned for using those controls even though they had been normal to PC players for years. For some reason people learned the controls for halo, I couldn't tell you what changed. But more boomer normies were playing goldeneye so walking and turning on the same stick was crucial

>>7251186
>Eh, I'm not sure they ever seriously thought all left would be a thing.

Nintendo illustrated it and put it in the manual, that's what you're looking at

>>7250375
>>7250338
It wasn't the wings it was the shitty fucking thumb-destroying hard plastic stick that wore out five seconds after you started playing because they made a plastic on plastic yoke with no fucking lube like retards. Everything else about it was great.

>>7250464
>>7250375
I've not emulated a lot of N64 but my dualaction(modelled on PS2) pad never had the slightest issue when I did.

>>7251096
>>7251132
This controller looks like it was intended to be inserted into some kind of pedestal that would convert it into an arcade stick(I assume with some kind of joystick attachment for the analog stick)

>>7251631
That's the most padded argument I've ever seen. "weak and wears out" is real vocabulary, "gay and autistic" means there's no problem to describe

>>7251652
I can't tell if sony's dual analog was well thought out or they had to band aid fix their controller with analog sticks, and putting just one on it would look like a tumor

Till this day people argue about the secondary placement of the left stick though, probably just as much as 3 handles on the N64.

>>7252049
>Getting this triggered because I pointed out the truth by providing flaws with this stupid controller.
There's a reason why it hasn't been copied.

>>7252401
>Getting triggered by pointing out the problems with the joystick and the idiotic design of the controller.
kek

>>7252387
I've read that the japanese sticks had lube and the american release didn't because of toy regulations. I have more confidence in the first claim than the second.

>>7250464
This could be right, but it makes even less sense because they complain about the 3 grips and isolated dpad/analog when it's the c buttons that make it annoying to map. Sometimes mapping c sticks to analog is ideal, sometimes mapping it to the dpad is ideal, and sometimes you need 6 face buttons.

>>7251738
Your post is fucking retarded.

No game was made where you had to reach all the buttons because you can't do it. They could put the B button on the console deck itself, games wouldn't use the B button, and you'd be asking which game used it and why someone would need to reach the B button on their couch.

>>7251738
Quake
Quake II
Goldeneye
Perfect Dark
Duke 64
Forsaken 64

list goes on

>>7252431
>Getting triggered by pointing out the problems with the joystick and the idiotic design of the controller.

Who are you green texting? Everyone knows the stick wears out and it's nintendo's fault. I'm asking you what the other problems are.

I can call you gay and autistic and everyone knows what I mean because you arrange your dildos by size and color, but you can't anthropomorphize a video game controller.

>>7252476
Objection!
All those games simply map the D-Pad to be the exact same as using the c buttons.
By no means does the option to use the stick and d-pad count as d-pad and stick being required

>>7252624
you never said "required" retard and actually it is required for playing FPS unless you want to use a left-handed control scheme and move with c-buttons

>>7252476
I have played at Goldeneye, PD64 and Forsaken, and I never needed to change the position of my left hand while playing.

>>7250460
Why is he a retard? Several people here agreed that's how you hold the controller. It works. If your way works, that's fine too. No need to call people names.

>>7252660
>When a N64 game need to use D-pad and Stick ?
>need

>>7251043
#1 is how you used it for 90%+ of games, it felt perfect and was ideal for Mario, Goldeneye, Zelda, 3D platformers etc.

#3 for 2D games like Mortal Kombat, again, it felt great and is super underrated as a 2D/d-pad controller... had a better d-pad than the SNES plus the 6-button face layout, too bad it didn't have more fighting games

Almost no games used style #2

These threads are for literal retards, or even bigger retards who push der dank forced plebbit "muh confusing N64 controller" memes.

>>7250460
Don't engage these cringe tolls like >>7254576 . Their lives are so empty they're trolling about ancient hardware controllers on a low traffic board.

All these zoomers looking at the N64 controller and thinking "but I don't have three hands!" Must have been mind blowing the first time they saw a keyboard thinking "but I don't have 101 fingers!"

>>7250338
Its a brainlet filter.

>>7257054
>All these zoomers looking at the N64 controller and thinking "but I don't have three hands!" Must have been mind blowing the first time they saw a keyboard thinking "but I don't have 101 fingers!"
Are zoomers REALLY that stupid, though? I always assumed "I don't have 3 hands" was a tranny reddit meme.

>>7257054
There are 2 notches on a keyboard telling you where to place your hands to have easy access to all the keys. Same can't be said with an N64 controller, which forces you to move your hands around if you want to access everything on it.

>>7256005
>had a better d-pad than the SNES
actually it has the same dpad as the snes

>>7257498
What the fuck dood my keyboard is bugged.

>>7252071
Correct.

>>7257473
>Are zoomers REALLY that stupid
Look at the thread

>>7257536

I'm just gonna say it, we should go back to having six face buttons, on top of having two pairs of shoulder buttons/triggers. Two extra buttons would open up so much. I've played several games that had to map at least one function to the d-pad on top of using face and shoulder buttons. D-pad up is fine for semi-rarely used functions but anything beyond that is just clunk city. We deserve two more face buttons, we're good enough for two more face buttons.

>>7250338
it's one of my favorite controllers. along with the original nes, the snes and psone before the analog sticks. the king is the ps2, which was heavy and basically the same design as wireless but it never had problems like the new ones

>>7251043
owned a 64 since 98 and never used position 2 and only ever used 3 for kirby64

>>7257498
You aren't supposed to access everything at the same time. There isn't a single game that needs access to the d-pad and stick and buttons. That's the entire fucking point of this thread you retarded retard.

>>7250338
This is probably the worst controller ever devised. "You're Winner"

>>7250338
1 control stick breaks
2 control stick HURTS
3 thumb swells up and starts bleeding puss all over conttroller
4 plastic dust accumulates in lung causing low testosterone in your 20s

>>7257640
That’s why we turned left and right stick into extra buttons

>>7258593
wrong and gaypilled

>>7259003
Only 3 handed mutants would think the n64 controller was a good design. The n64 also takes the trophy for the console with the worst graphics in history, all round disaster.

>>7259053
Your zoom zoom is showing hard

>>7259059
Fuck off, only the blind would think that n64 had even remotely acceptable graphics, it was painfully blurry and it was obvious even on a 14 inch tv. And that controller, what the fuck were they thinking.

>>7259068
Like you were even alive when they sold 14 inch TVs.

>>7259123
I am 32. I have seen a n64 played on a 14inch CRT and it looked like total garbage. PS1 and Sega Saturn were so much sharper. I will take pixels over hideous blur any day.

The only way to play n64 is emulation. I would go as far as saying that playing on original hardware is disrespectful to the games because it makes them look like shit when it was the hardware.

>>7259137
Holy zoom

>>7258593
Correct. This controller was designed for people born with 3 hands.

>>7259567
>need 3 hands for full use of n64 controller
>need 4 thumbs to full use of playstation/xbox/gamecube controllers
When will they make a controller designed for humans?

>>7259594
Good question.