/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7230127
IDK man.

>>7230127
PS2 had enough good games not to be considered a shovelware platrorm. Nintendo DS is on the edge and Nintendo WII is almost nothing else but Shovelware or waggle controls.

>>7230127
It depends on the ratio, but you're not realistically buying the entire collection unless it's the virtual boy.

>>7230143
The Nintendo DS also had plenty of fantastic games, you brandwarrior fanboy turd.

It doesn't. This sounds like N64 fans bullshitting.

>>7230159
I said Nintendo DS is what I consider a borderline case. There are enough good games to justify its existence but at the same time it has games like Hell's Kitchen: The Game and My horse and me

>>7230127
PS2 had more than enough good games to outweigh the shovelware. Shovelware was only really a noticeable problem in Europe anyway, US didn't get all that shit and Japan's shovelware was ironically good in some cases.

Not retro but I felt like talking about it anyway The Wii meanwhile didn't have enough decent games to ignore the shovelware problem, and it was widspread throughout every region. Most people who bought a Wii that weren't old geezers or little kids simply got fed up with the wagglan, the crusty graphics, lack of multiplats, shitty online, and the Wii Sports/Wii Play clones and gave up on it by 2009 and just got an Xbox 360 or a PS3, and the Wii's bad rap is part of the reason the Wii U failed I'd argue.

>>7230127
it's called The Simple 2000 series and it's incredibly based.

>>7230127
It doesn't until the exact moment you try to use number of games or library size as some measurement of quality.
Because that in of itself is a flawed premise.

i simply do not play the bad games, so it doesnt matter

if the system doesn't have 50 games worth buying, it's irredeemable

>>7230127

It doesn't. It's just that some people have bad memories of impulse-buying awful PS2 games because they were kids and didn't know any better.

>>7230140
N64 has a built in curated library you shit-eater. PSX was filled to the brim with whatever publishers wanted to print on a 90 cent disc.

>>7230514
>built in curated library

is this a nice way of saying "no third party support"

>>7230514
n64 is an atrocity

>>7230127
It doesn't. Shitposters just use quantity of games to claim one system if better than others, regardless of the quality of those games. PS3 has more games than the N64 by sheer numbers, but you'd be hard pressed to actually say the PS3 has more games worth playing.

>>7230469
This.

the easy answer is that it doesn't but one possible exception might be the wii because it's enormous shovelware library seems to be tied directly into the system's identity for a lot of people. sure, there are plenty of great games on the wii, but a lot of people's childhood memories of the system are going to be awful garbage whereas with the ps2 or something you had a much better chance of picking a good game at complete random off the shelf.

>>7230176
The Wii’s problem was shovel ware was far more likely to succeed then any other platform due to the casuals. This is why most best selling Wii games list have a massive cut off point otherwise you get game party selling a million or big game hunting selling 3. The modern day virtual stores have a similar shovel ware problem but it’s easily avoidable and not as damaging due to higher internet usage and price since shovel ware went from 20-50 dollars to a single buck

>>7230127
no look at all the obscure consoles most of the games sucked because they didn't have the 10/10 to make them worth buying

>>7230561
I'd much rather a PS3. Dark Souls shits on Zelda. COD and Battlefield are playable unlike Goldeneye and there are no fighting games even worth looking at on N64.

>>7231023
Every single one of those games is playable on PC, therefore providing zero value to the PS3.

>>7230159
Ds kindof sucks

>>7230561
PS3 easily has more games worth playing than the N64 unless you don't count multiplats for whatever reason

>>7230514
99% of N64's library was either lazy multiplatform releases, ports or shovelware. The 8 decent games it has do not make up for that.
PS1 has a fuck ton of shovelware too, but it also has more variety of genres, more good games and more best sellers.

Also, if N64's selection of games counts as "carefully curated" then my shit counts as "pre chewed food". Sure, it's technically correct, but it's still shit at the end of the day.

>>7230561
That's blatantly wrong though. PS3 has more good games than N64 has games in total. As does every other console in existence that's not Gamecube or Virtualboy.

>>7231339
>>7231348
Regardless of whether you count them or not, 7th gen games on average tend to suck, with good games showing up sporadically through 07-12 and disappearing in 2013. I'd rather play Jet Force Gemini or Zelda than 80% of the PS3 library.

>>7231352
JFG didn't work as well for me when I actually tried to play it years later. I think I hyped myself up for nothing.

>>7230143
>PS2: 4491 games
>DS: 2015 games
>Wii: 1546 games

Imagine thinking PS2 was NOT the ultimate shovelware machine that has more trash than DS and Wii combined

>>7230514

>one console allows creativity and freedom to publish games and make new content, leaving up to the buyer to decide which game to buy
>other console restricts as much as possible to publish, making all the third party games dull, poor copies of other successfull titles

>>7231343
>pre chewed food
wouldn't it be post chewed food?

>>7230514
>N64 has a built in curated library
not curated enough, looking at all the awful 10fps slideshows with vaseline textures and horrible gameplay.

>>7231616
Name one game with shit gameplay.

>>7231292
>PC MASTER RACE!!!!
Go into detail how Street Fighter is superior on PC over PS3. I'll bet you can't even tell the difference between them.

>>7231635
superman 64.

>>7231647

>>7231635
goldeneye 64

>>7231653
I'll only concede that if you say Perfect Dark was sufficiently improved.

>>7231669
never played PD, but it's a deal, Perfect Dark was better

>>7231647
Flying though rings feels like you're handling a Boeing 747. I kind of like it.

>>7231558
>one company produces quality games
>one company lets any retard shit up the platform

>>7231637
You don't have to buy an outdated but non-retro console to play it. Infinite backwards compatbility and not having to collect shitty modern consoles is a good thing.

When you got this in the first three months, it doesn't matter if you got 200 shit shovelware games in the rest of the year.
The highs are so high that no one cares about the lows.

>>7230140
>396 games
>15 good ones
ah shit

>>7231889
Yeah, it's too difficult setting up a PS3 up in this day and age....

>>7232059
You either buy a working one online overpriced or you buy two cheap ones off facebook/craigslist and pray that they havent been abused since leaving the box

dont get me started on working controllers

>>7232109
Both mine still work and will forever be used since they contain games that are no longer available for download.

>>7232185
I envy you, man. Having a backwards compatible PS3 is the dream. If I wasn't so stupid and shortsighted back then I would have kept my MGS4 PS3.

>>7231023
That's personal preference. That doesn't mean the other system is shit, it just means it doesn't have the games you want to play on it.

>>7231549
and it has more good games than wii and ds combined. Your point?

>>7230176
There was boatloads of crap released for the PS2 in Europe, but
>Japan's shovelware was ironically good in some cases
Europe also got a lot of localisations of the good Simple 2000 games, whereas AFAIK the only Simple 2000 game released in the US was The Adventures of Darwin.

>>7232194
Yep, the dream, but then you get one and realise they're overheating pieces of junk. The PS2 backwards compatibility on the MGS4 models is crap anyway. Slim (not super slim) PS3 + a PS2 (either fat or slim) is the best choice.

>>7230127
Well, given that the PC/DOS/Windows is one of the greatest platforms ever, that shouldn't matter that much.

>>7230127
Because the Nintendo Seal of Quality ensured that only good games released on the NES.

>>7232467
He's a fucking retard who doesn't really know what he's talking about. That's his point.

For as much shovelware as there was on the Wii, there were a ton of hidden gems that merely gave off the appearance of being shovelware.

>>7232987
Yep, like this hidden gem.

>>7230470
The Neo Geo Pocket Colour has like 8 good games and it's worth buying.

>>7230127
It doesn't. It's just a claim made by N64 fanboys who refuse to admit that the PS1 dumpstered it.

>>7233048
I think calling was kind of ahead of it's time. It gets shat on for stuff Slender did and praised so much for, mainly the first person angle.

>>7230127
>Why does a platform's "quality to shovelware" ratio matter on whether or not it sucks overall?

It doesn't, but neither does "It has thousands of games", exactly because "most of those games are shit" counters the argument.

>>7230143
The fact that the Castlevania trilogy on DS exists tips the scales in the DS's favor by like 800,000%

>>7230127
the ratio is completely irrelevant. the only thing that matters is the number of quality games