/vr/ - Retro Games

JESUS CHRIST WHAT NOW?

>>7230019
Our resident shitposter made the last OP again, so when his posts were getting blitzed, the OP went with them.

=== CURRENT PROJECT ===
500ml of /vr/
BETA, UPDATED:
https://archive.org/details/500ml-vr-halloween-beta
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/7041037/#7043379
https://discord.gg/F968y8Wj4x

=== NEWS ===
[12-26] New SC-55 soundfont released:
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/118828-the-most-accurate-sc-55-soundfont-out-now/

[12-24] DBP31: Santa's Outback Bender for the 3rd annual Doomer Boards Project Christmas extravaganza released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/118801-dbp31-santas-outback-bender/

[12-22] Gearbox reaches a settlement with Bobby Prince over the use of his music tracks in Duke Nukem 3D: Anniversary Edition https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2020-12-21-gearbox-reaches-settlement-with-bobby-prince-over-duke-nukem-music

[12-22] Markshan Knightmare has released a Updated installer for the Window of Retribution community Mission pack for Q2
https://leray.proboards.com/thread/3867/re-windows-retaliation?page=1&scrollTo=28875

[12-21] Anon made and shares an Episode 1 style level
https://mega.nz/file/mrZViaIZ#MLHFdce2Eb2zdBQUbTFTaz4pHuyKdJd__ZRPh3uxp9w

[12-20] Quake Xmas Jam 2020 Released
https://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61995

[12-20] Mission64 a Quake 2 64 missionpack for Q2 was released
https://www.moddb.com/games/quake-2/addons/mission-64

[12-20] DSDA 10.0 released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/118074-dsda-doom-source-port-v0100/

[12-19] TerminusEst13 releases a 7DFPS GZDoom project, Kid 4 $29.99.
https://terminusest13.itch.io/kid-4-2999

[12-19] Snap the Sentinel, a short standalone 7DFPS IWAD made for GZDoom inspired by SNES/Genesis games released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/118627-gzdoom-snap-the-sentinel-~-short-new-iwad-for-7dfps/
https://tehrealsalt.itch.io/snap-the-sentinel

=== PREVIOUS ===
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0/edit?usp=sharing

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>>7230019
>>7230023
Sorry for the shit OP folks, but at least it's less likely the thread will get nuked now.

nth for I'm getting fat.
Like, Mancubus fat.

>>7230035
and I'm sorry to have posted before you got a chance to post the news post. I appreciate you and any other good anon that makes an OP that isn't that faggot.

>>7230024
>[12-22] Gearbox reaches a settlement with Bobby Prince
oh i had missed this
hope he got his dues.

To the anon who said there are no vanilla wire textures, why not try making something that looks like a wire using a 2-4 units wide texture segment or with some small sector detailing?

>>7230035
Thank you dear fucking lord. Watching the shitposts just flat out nuke every other discussion going on when they get b& for 5 whole minutes is tiring.

IT'S CONFIRMED
JANNIES ARE TRANNIES

>>7230048
If I'm around to make the next thread I'll do a proper job, I just wanted to shove this one out the door.
Shitpost anon did fine as an OP, but tended to make the thread early. I expect that will happen again.

Please tell me which is the real Doom 2 release date.

God, this new Dwars series is painful to watch. Why does he thinks he is obliged to read every fucking bit of text that pops up on the screen? What is this, drag queen reading hour?

>>7230078
Like salty coins and milk.

Gaming Gargoyle made another Doom animation.
I feel like I'm retarded because I don't get the joke with this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhVHp1cFTTc

Jannies, stop being fucking morons and deleting entire threads because alf is shitposting. Ban his faggot ass already.

>>7230078
Some say its always existed. Its believed to be generated by AI for military VR along the same time the crucible of the internet was formed. Back flip on hari kari rock with a tuning fork Etc.

>>7230092
He needs to work on his sense of timing and his script reading. He has this tendency to ramble.

>>7230078
October 10th, 1994

>>7230078
it won't save you

sneed

>>7230115
>October 10th, 1994
You sure? the wikis say otherwise

>>7230093
Pretty it's referencing this
https://youtu.be/t04EuhJW3W8

>>7230093
>I feel like I'm retarded because I don't get the joke with this one.
you know that video of a black guy watching a video, recording his reaction, then he gets surprised by the text "niggers" in the spongebob font?
someone made tf2 sfm versions but with characters saying words that they say, instead of actual insults to them, missing the point
>soldier reacting to "maggots" which is his insult to others, not the other way around
much like that banjo/korone meme, it's like an unnecessary meme template
but weirder because it has an actual source that made a bit of sense, so new variants are based off the more confusing template

>>7230141
>>7230135
>I'm completely out of the loop on modern memes

Is this what growing old feels like? I still don't get what the "E? Yes" means.

>>7230151
maybe but a lot of memes nowadays really are that shit, to the point they die sooner and it's not surpising
it's like we're near some limit or an end or memes
as if some internet meme ban or the actual end of the world and the human race is related to this
we reached a point where normies took over wojaks, turned them into picrew avatars and started an actual race war with their wojaksonas

anyway, off-topic, sorry
any wads anyone is anticipating for 2021?

Done path from fake exit to real exit, more or less, gonna need to make other 60% of the map now.

>>7230161

I'm hoping BTSX 3 gets released, but i don't think it will.

>>7229980
>>7229989
>>7230045
I kind of got carried away making this, but I created an example of making that radio tower with the wires attached (the wall texture of the wire is actually part of the lion head switch).
It's in Boom format, but you should be able to replicate it in vanilla.
Download: https://www.dropbox.com/s/fi2no3jwt9b7mdp/radio_tower_test.wad?dl=1

How many people are playing Aleph One online? I assume it's even less than Doom II?

>>7230345
Yeah, this kind of wires can easily be done.

Thank God. I swear, at the height of my genuine mental illness I post less consistently than the board troll.

Are there any cool documentaries on 90's FPS games out there? I'd prefer 'proper' movies since I comb YouTube fairly regularly already but share anything that you think is neat and informative

That one polish fagot replaying ancient Q2 mods here again - just found out 16 years later that theres a secret level in Roseville's last mappack "The Earth War" that all this time was hidden in the same place you get spawned at in the penultimete level...

>>7230418
...You just need to blow up this Doom wallpaper below your feet and kill anyone who gets alerted because of it...

>>7230425
...And you end up in some dungeon that is entirely populated by Mutants and Parasites - those Quads are better be worth it...

Man, watching Sandy Petersen's videos about Lovecraft make me wish I could feel that childlike enthusiasm for stuff again. He gets so into it.

>>>7230418
>>>7230441
Dont really understand why solving Captcha for the second time after writing and selecting the pic secretly removes it only forcing me to solve it thrice ;^\

Any youtubers for Quake?

>>7230480
A million, all uncharismatic.

>>7230480
I like GGRC's Quake Grave.

Why aren't you mapping for Prodeus yet?
I'm having a lot of fun making assets in this editor, the atlased textures afford you a lot of freedom to just create shapes without worrying about alignment

>>7230462
...And thats it for now I guess - maybe next time I'd showcase that other mod from where the Plasmagun model got repurposed in here from - "Loki's Escape" by LFCTF team;
A single unit mappack of overall slightly higher quality that was also made around 2000

>>7230508
Mapping for Quake instead since I'm not a fruitcake.

>>7230512
Let's see.

>>7230512
>he doesn't map across various FPSes in order to obtain more power

Freelook for Doom, yes or no? (If the was doesn't explicitly require it)

>>7230525
Do what you want, but no.

>>7230510
i miss the time when quaddicted hosted both Q1 and Q2 maps, back in the days of QuakeHotel.

so will this thread make it past 200 posts?

alf or whoever is shitposting, please just go do a playthrough of plutonia and chill out

>>7230568
You bringing it up doesn't help, retard.

>>7230568

>>7230487
>>7230480
ch0ww is a French autist but he sounds cute. :3

>>7230372
Very few. If you want an online match I'm pretty sure they schedule them on discord IIRC

>>7230372
Like anon said, they usually schedule it.

>>7230480
I'd like to start one myself, but I'm terrible at live commentary while going for 100% runs.

>>7230657
I'm looking for more edited stuff anyway, like that paint guy who reviews doom wads.
Still, if you do it, be sure to link.

Thing about Quake is, enemies are really beefy and fucking dangerous. Very aggressive, too. Beyond E1, there isn't a single weak enemy, except for the kites, maybe. You actually struggle and battle through the levels, it's both satisfying and exhausting.

>>7230665
I love it

>>7230665
Fucking love Quake.
>>7230664
Ty for the encouragement. Hopefully someday soon.

>>7230568
Some faggot reported the last OP itself for ban evasion, whatever, someone else make them for awhile.

>>7230679
You can report for ban evasion?

Playing Wrath: Aeon of Ruin right now and played some Ultrakill earlier. Both are very based and quite fun.

>>7230665
In Doom, most guys are a breeze, but in Quake, it's like opposing dozens of Barons per level. Enemies look menacing, too. I love how there are no hitscanners, it all depends on your skill. But spawns are fucking bullshit. If only they didn't explode.

>>7230708
Based and Wrathpilled.

>>7230708
ULTRAKILL is great, love the armless guys.

>>7230708
Speaking of throwback boomer shooters, this is the list that we came up with a thread or so ago:
>Apocryph
>Hedon
>Nightmare Reaper
>Project Warlock
>Wrath: Aeon of Ruin
>Dusk
>Amid Evil
>Graven
>Ion Fury
>Prodeus
>HROT
>Viscerafest
>Ultrakill
>Strafe
>Brutal Fate

If there are any others, reply to this post. I am going to start putting other an infographic for retro throwback FPS.

>>7230734
Why are so many Early acess titles?
I'm fuckin dying for ultrakill but I don't wanna burn myself out before the game is actually in the state it's meant to be in.

Based Ross.

The Sin vid was great.

>>7230747
>Why are so many Early acess titles?
Why would I do extensive bugtesting myself, or with a select group of people, and work my ass off in my day job when I can make a working prototype and make money making my game? It's a no-brainer, for better or worse.

>>7230750
she ruined her face hard, and even her porn is boring.

>>7230161
Hoping for TNT2 or BTSXE3.

>>7230753
At least there is something to play for all of them, as far as I know. Not sure about Brutal Fate.

>>7230762
>TNT2
Cringe

Playthrough video of map10 of 2048 units of /vr/ is up. A nice, short sewer level.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M6xOl32qzM

>>7230750
He really loves SiN despite the flaws which he is upfront about. Overall based review and pretty sure the longest analysis of it on YouTube

>>7230750
Why do the models warp and move like they are made of jelly in Q2 engine? Something about not using skeletons or something?

remember when quake live was free and you could play it in your browser?

>>7230758
Is this Zaero? I thought there was no mutants in Zaero, so that their new dog monsters wouldnt become redundant

>>7230445
I love Sandy's YouTube channel, he's a passionate guy who clearly still cares.

>>7230794
Why I think so. I wish the new version being cleaned up actually made that go away, but I think you would have to redo the models.

>>7230758
That shitty model from Sin episodes has porn?

>>7230508
How much of Prodeus' single player have they finished? It looks really damn cool but it being in early access right now has me on the fence, if they're doing early access properly like how New Blood has been doing things I'll probably cave and buy it once I'm done my Christmas games.

>>7230512
>not stealing textures from other games to use in your Quake maps

>>7230784
Nails all the positives and negatives quite nicely.

He does have a point. I do miss the saturday morning cartoon with violence and tits quality it has.

I think we cant reproduce it again. The episodes really seem to miss the point.

I never tried it maybe I should.

>>7230795
Quake Champions is superior.

>>7230779
It's not likely to play exactly like the original, as it isnt a twid project.. It'll likely be similar to how Plutonia 2 or TNT Revilution did things, where theres some influence from the original, but otherwise plays like a more modern wad with the different team of mappers doing things in their own style.

>>7230795
And how later on they even brought in TA stuff for free, only to remove it later on for no reason

On that topic Quake 3 really needed a single player element.

All those characters look so dumb and interesting to have in a real game.

I want a duo of Sarge and Klesk patrolling the galaxy. And only Sarge knows what klesk is saying.

>>7230801
its a D2M3 map that was on jimmy's archive

>>7230808
search for her name with no censor on biqle

>>7230837
the PS2 port kinda had that, and the final fight was ass clenching hard.

>>7230657
>>7230676
Different Anon, here. If live commentary isn't doing it for you then just record all your audio after you've captured your footage. Chances are it'll be a bit more cohesive than it would have been otherwise, planning and good analysis goes a long way towards making playthrough videos fun and informative to watch. This also makes the audio levels consistent throughout so your mic isn't clipping during intense sections, etc. Whatever you do, just play to your strengths and the rest will come naturally.

>>7230826
Someone post the version where he calls him fuckin lizard

>>7230841
>search for her name with no censor on biqle


I bet its boring as fuck latex shit, she only bimboed up her lips and tits. But thanks anyway.

Man ritual entertainment got it too rough. I loved their shit even with the jank. They should be doing shit now not with quake 1 or 3 engines.

>>7230841
>the PS2 port kinda had that


Really? I should go see it.

>>7230676
We need more anons doing longform documentary style videos on retro FPS games or even more scripted and edited walkthrough review videos like Civvie. There are already 10,000 autists doing unscripted commentary over Doom wads

>>7230779
Gay post. TNT is good and there should be more TNT wads

>>7230868
TNT is
B O R I N G
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>>7230868
TNT's good maps make up for the number of absolutely abysmal levels. A modern approach to TNT would be much more playable for the average player tbph

>>7230803
I know, I just mean I'm envious as fuck of him. It's like the whole growing bitter and jaded part of life just skipped him by.

>>7230854

>>7230917
>>7230803
>>7230445
The video he did about the Doom level he made based on his own home is cool as hell. I love that his family gets in on it too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0DVwhy3R3k

>>7230917
He's fairly old now, he's probably learned how to change his own outlook on life in a positive creative way. I envy men like him too, anon, but you can either continue to let bitterness define you or attempt to look at the world in a different light.

>>7230932
Being Mormon might also have something to do with it too, the few Mormons I've met were all happy as could be.

>>7230932
>He's fairly old now
Here he is fairly young in 1981, the year Call of Cthulu was released.

>>7230858
She did some camwhoring and even fucked a rando there for a while but is boring.
She and that ariane chick ended up being a bad waste of a good cosplay whore.
also she really did amateur for a studio but that video is lost since is pre 2007

>>7230932
his secret: he has never wageslaved in his entire life, he was either working on tabletop or video games his entire existence, shit he likes and cares about

>>7230943
strong communities are happy communities

>>7230946
Well she came to late for modern shit. She is already too bimboish old. The pre 20007 could have been nice.

>>7230943
>>7230947
Not trying to do a gotcha on your on anything, but -- I asume by this you mean male mormons right?

Because women in mormon communities typically feel extremely trapped and repressed. Specially young ones. I'm friends with one that escaped the church, was disowned by her family, and has a lot of horror stories about it.

>>7230946
>>7230953

>>7230956
Sharpie in pooper or gtfo.

>>7230932

I believe in shit jung says about that, you have to start to mentally prepare for death. And instead of big dick creative energies, you have to use your wisdom instead.

I know an old carpenter which is exactly like that and the polar opposite of many old people I know.

>>7230958
Whatever, it was relevant to Elexis cosplay.

Sandy's commentary on Doom Eternal while his son played was pretty based

>>7230984
you see that he liked the game's art and stage layout.
Again, someone needs to hand him Trenchbroom or Jackhammer+Lazarus with Q1 and Q2 in it to see how far he goes.

still tons of work to do but this kinda works

>>7230992
J.A.C.K. is a nightmare to deal with compared to Trenchbroom.

>>7230958
Ah, I see zoomers finally wised up to the fact that we are wearing the original coomer picture as a mark of honor, just like it happened back in the day with 30-year old boomer, so now they are trying to introduce even more disgusting version of coomer, naively assuming we don't co-opt it as well.

>>7231000
Nice digits coomer

>>7231000
Trips of truth.

>>7230794
The model format has limited precision for vertices. Ross got it right. Quake 1 had the same problem but it was harder to notice because the guns didnt have idle animations and there werent NPC's or other characters you could see moving up-close.

>>7230969
I know very few genuinely wise men, my own father is one of them - I'm certain because he'll never make an arrogant claim of wisdom. I still hope that one day I can be as satisfied with life as he is. One day...

>>7230994
What the fuck is this?

>>7231018
>>7230994
Raycast engine???

>>7230874
Fag.

>>7231000
Coomer Pride World Wide

>>7230881
Yeah, Wormhole, Open Season, Stronghold, Dead Zone, Heck, they're all rock solid.

>>7231000
Based as a well used quad damage Thunderbolt rampage.

>>7230997
I'd comment on either of those programs, but I don't know JACK about them.

>>7230794
Because Q2 Engine uses vertex nurbs animations over bones, which became a thing later on in idtech3's life
You can Still remove all of it and port the animations to bones, but No one has ever tried to make a Sourceport for Q2 that fixes this and adds bones animations, mostly because Q2 anims are tied to the game's code, and the game has tons of unused animations due to its rushed development caused by timmy willits bullying American Mc Gee, Sandy and Bryan Hook, while spewing lies into lies on carmack's ears.

>>7231035
Get the fuck out of here Carlos

>>7230794
Because the position data in animations was a single byte per vertex, and not even fixed point. So it's somewhat related to the reason why polygons jiggle in ps1 games. Quake 2 does proper subpixel rasterization of polygons, but it doesn't maintain high enough resolution in animation data to keep the distances between vertexes consistent between frames.

>>7231035
Well-played.

>>7231024
Is he writing his own?

>>7231018
portal-based polygon rasterizer engine. i was using doom BSPs before but generating pvs from it was too difficult (and the built-in maps were too detailed for the genesis anyway), so I switched over to portals with a manually created map.

>>7231024
no raycasting, like doom and duke 3d it transforms polygons to screenspace.
wolf 3d used raycasting and transformed rays into world space, which is sort of the opposite solution.

>>7231045
IQM format exists for that, even Q2Xp and the old ports of generations arena weapons which uses md2 got rid of it with some tricks.

IQM handles all of the anims within the file itself sauerbraten.org/iqm/

>>7231057
Yeah you could probably figure out a way to lessen the issue via the data (extra frames maybe), or with a sourceport, but the engine fundamentally has the same problem.

>>7231056
Oh yeah, idtech1 and Build both used BSP trees didn't they?

>>7231073
build uses a portal graph, doom uses a bsp tree

>>7231069
The engine issues were fixed years ago thanks to Quake 2 Evolved, sadly the engine and forums died with PlanetQuake TeamBlur, the russians got that later thanks to berserker, KMQ2 and so on.

>>7230508
I'm doing the ultimate retro fps on ue4, it'd an amalgamation of best (or worst9 things of old fps
will surely crash and burn because I don't do a single thing right

Is there any way to backport QII monsters into Q1?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFgGzDrj7OM
This video is the opposite, but I'm far more interested in QII stuff in Q1 as someone just getting into Q1 mapping. I think there's a lot of potential for techbase maps giving way to the hellish underbelly of high ranking officers worshipping Quake below.

Quake 1/Ranger Lore: Based or Cringe?

>>7231110
>Lore
Cringe

>>7230734

Here's a bunch you don't have on your list, varying quality and eligibility.


>Devil Daggers
Horde/Arena Horror themed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSewJ1Cbuzw

>Ziggurat
Fantasy FPS - "Roguelike"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-fHx6QEdUk

>Wrack
Skulltag Dev Doom Clone - Bobby Prince OST
https://youtu.be/FC5Z-qlk3uE?t=525

>InMomentum
Rocketjumping/Jumpmap type game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkOyR8m8gys

>Hard Reset
Cyberpunk themed boomshoot
https://youtu.be/4E3cCZ3TDJE?t=3480

>Perilous Warp
Generic Doom/Quake Clone
https://youtu.be/lNQKnjdh48E?t=1823

>Hellbound
Shameless Doom Clone
https://youtu.be/evOe2gX6xmM?t=254

>Paradox Vector
Tron Graphics boomshoot
https://youtu.be/TasY7TmoYnc?t=241

>Cathedral 3D
Horde/Arena with Quakelike movement
https://youtu.be/yTLrKEeQDiw?t=148

>>7231110
Quad Cringe.

>>7231126
Devil Daggers doesn't count

>>7231135
I imagine a few of them don't, I stretched a bit and included a few that were just skin-deep in influence.

>>7231110
Based, can't wait till the Doom 2016/Eternal style reboot of Quake comes, it's in the works and will be announced in 2021. Expect a big expansion of the lore ala the Doom Slayer of nuDoom.

>>7231126
>Wrack
>Hard Reset
I tried getting into those, but goddamn I can't believe just how unfun they are. And Hard Reset devs are the ones who would later butcher Shadow Warrior franchise. Poland truly was a mistake.

>>7231146
I will check them out, remember this is going to be /doom/ approved throwback shooters list

I've been screwing around with the class selection screen, the old thing was cramped and it gets pushed off screen at low resolutions. Right now I feel like I have too much dead space but most people seem to like this setup.

>>7231126
I never tried hard reset
but fuck wrack
way too short and it never continued

>>7231153
Yep just tossing shit at the wall and maybe some will stick, not gonna get hurt over it kek

>>7231151
Same, Wrack's movement feels like ass and the animations are laughable.
I remember picking up Hard Reset around when it came out and just getting bored, I didn't even know you stopped fighting robots halfway through.

>>7231110
Markie Music, a guy who has done music for some throwback boomer shooters, did a theme for Ranger that kicks ass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WTyyCfT2VI

>>7231163
Some of these will be included, thank you

>>7231171
Ehh. Not feeling it.

>>7231171
I like how he incorporated Reznor's original themes in it, take over a minute to start going hard but when it does it is pretty awesome. Good stuff.

>>7231171
A little too Doom 2016 for me.

>>7231149
>developing more on Quake 1
Could be cool.

>lore ala Doom Eternal
Eeeeeeeeeeh.
It's just...
I hope they don't do the same things, and I hope they don't do a bunch of needless capeshit style crossover cringe.

>>7231110
Any lore added after Quake 1 is cringe.

>>7231157
looks amazing

boom-compatible version when (just kidding)

>>7231217
>Any lore is cringe.

>>7231228
Nothing more or less than what's in a manual is all that's needed. A modern approach to this concept is in Amid Evil.

>>7231110
Never bothered with the QC lore - didn't even read your image - but I like the more earnest notions of Quake than Doomguy, though that's what most people love about Doomguy. Demons got his rabbit, demons are going to pay. But Ranger is the nth degree of "I didn't sign up for this shit, I just want to go home." But he'll never go home. He's trapped between the slipgates, forever fighting Quake's seemingly endless generals. He'll never see the fruits of his trials. But despite of all of this complete and utter suffering, he's still fighting.

>>7231241
>Demons got his rabbit, demons are going to pay
Daisy never seemed to matter much prior to the new Doom reboot outside of the screen in Doom and screen with accompanying text scrawl in Ultimate.

>>7231241
In my opinion, the QC stuff only adds to Ranger as a character. It's good stuff and nothing crazy, just that he has been wandering through dimensions for 20 years since Operation Counterstrike and the showdown with Shub-Niggurath trying to find a way home to get back to his wife and daughter and that he was a Vietnam vet. Ranger issue of the QC comic is cool. That image is half original lore and half QC stuff

>>7231240
Amid Evil is fun, it's like it tries to be Doom, Quake, Hexen and Heretic all at once.

>>7231126
>tfw actually paid for wrack with the expectation that he would finish the game
>he never did
Fuck that game, and fuck Carnevil.

I kinda wish that someone could do a SiN mechanics inspired for Q2 and Kingpin.

>>7231260
And QC makes both Q1 and Q2 games connected, because the crates that you see ingame are from Stroggos, and The Makron is serving the elder gods to the point of dotting all of Cerberon with Magic runes, and even the reason of why he survived is because he can probably transfer his soul into another being which Q4 hints that he is now Matthew Kane

>>7231268
It does a great job

>>7231241
>>7231240
The Lovecraftian theme has tons of potential, if they stay true to that I am I am sure it'll be awesome. There is no reason not to use the huge opportunity the theme gives in this regard just because Carmack had an autistic aversion to story and lore in 1996. I am sure Sandy would approve, it's his influence that got us the story we got.

>>7231289
>The Lovecraftian theme has tons of potential
Absolutely, and you need only express it through level+environment design and a few sentences.

>>7230734
>>7231126
You forgot this fashionable first-person Doom clone shooter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkMfD-Hm_X0

>>7231297
No, that's a huge waste of potential. It doesn't have to be MGS levels of story but so many cool things could be done.

>>7231080
What's a portal graph?

>>7231286
How do you feel about Romero and Tom Hall saying that Rise of the Triad and Heretic are the same universe?

yo whoever recommended HELLEVATOR

I just grabbed it and played through a few maps --- SO MUCH FUN

also it is using that kickass vertical opening door that has two interleaved halves, one going up and one going down? i first saw that in 2048 units of /vr/ i think?

anyway thanks again, anon. i'll go through the whole thing

seriously, so many good wads these days (especially if you ignore the cacowards lol)

>>7231286
What baffles me most about it is that its artstyle by all means looks like it is a fucking eyesore, yet I just can't hate it. Especially since I noticed how the water transparency works. What a magnificent bastards they are.

>>7231323
Romero says the darndest things.

Nice

>>7231313
>No, that's a huge waste of potential
Of what, a fat load of codex entry word vomit? Just keep it simple and you can still get across traveling across loads of worlds, enemies, encounters, etc. Again, Amid Evil accomplishes this neatly; I'd argue even original Quake, it's expansions, and Arcane Dimensions does as well.
Original Doom was also good about this: Compared to all that's in the manual, there's nothing quite like reaching Phobos Anomaly to get torn to shreds, with oddly appropriate music reflecting the situation.
>>7231323
I feel somewhat indifferent to thinking it's kind of neat.

>>7231314
a graph is just a group of nodes (some piece of data) with connections between them. connected nodes are related in some way.

in this case the nodes are convex sectors (groups of walls that are convex), connected to other sectors via "portals". the relation between connected sectors is that they're physically connected, but you can do other effects with portals.

build uses a similar idea, but with concave sectors because ken silverman is some kind of alien genius.

>>7231323
Romero also said MAP15's broken secret was intentional.

>>7231327
It took awhile, some nvidia help, and another playthrough to find some settings that I liked. It really does bleed with default settings.

>>7231340
Nah, it's weird, but I just hiked the FOV up to 100 and I'm content with it otherwise.

>>7231336
So nodes are like vertexes? Connected by edges make your sectors and two sectors can be portaled through if they're roughing, or otherwise told to?
Also, how would you make a convex sector? All edges of a geometric shape have to add up to a certain degree. What defines convex and concave in this?

>>7231354
nodes are groups of walls. In doom the equivalent would be subsectors. Each subsector is a convex group of walls represented by a node in the bsp tree.

>>7231338
It was?

>>7231354
convex - no line drawn through a wall can intersect another wall in the group

concave - certain lines through a wall intersect through multiple walls in the group.

convex is a desirable property because it means that within a single convex group of walls, you know that none of them can overlap each other on-screen.

Just finished Heretic. Very cool game. Is Hexen as good?

>>7231380

>>7231380
I think so, yes.

>>7231398
What class is the most fun? I tried Cleric since the stats seemed balanced, is there anything more to melee combat but spamming attack and backing away when they attack?

>>7230345
>that .webm

that's just mean.

>>7230734
Get To The Orange Door
Maximum Action
Heavy Bullets
Post Void
Bloom
Chex Quest HD (horrible)
CTHON
Hell Hunt
Hermodr
High Hell
Immortal Redneck
Intrude
Mad Sector
Maximum Action
Monument
POSTAL: Brain Damaged
Post Void
S.C.A.R
Shrine
Shrine II
Ziggurat 2
there are a ton more in the steampeak (augmented steam)

>>7231380
>Is Hexen as good?
Do you like switch hunts?

>>7231368
>>7231364
Okay. Thanks for taking the time to dimb it down a bit. I'm closer to getting it, but at this point I'll have to look up a diagram and get my definitions sorted, since they don't seem to comport with much of my previous experience.

>>7231437
>Ziggurat 2
Oh shit. I love the first one. Had no idea.

>>7231437
Not sure I would could remasters or whatever like Chex Quest

>>7231437
>Get To The Orange Door
It would be a lot more fun if the game didn't run like the framerate wasn't fucked so it looks like it's running at a low framerate even though it's really high for me (i.e. it's 200+ or so but when you look around it feels like 30 or so). I'm honestly kinda disappointed that it hasn't been fixed yet, but to be fair it's only one guy making it.

>>7231458
is a remake, the maps are not the same, it's also very amateurish and it shows

>>7231437
Immortal Redneck is a rogue like, would that really count? It looks retro-ish in style but otherwise idk.

>>7230734
bpm

>>7231448
Is it really THAT bad? Seems like a meme.

>>7231464
now that you mention that there is another one with cats, ehrm, I don't remember the name

>>7231464
>>7231474
gunfire reborn

>>7231406
>What class is the most fun?
For me it's the Fighter because I love his speed and the axe, but they all have their merits. Cleric has the best final weapon, but the mace is awful. The Mage has the best starting weapons, but his other spells are kind of underwhelming.
>is there anything more to melee combat but spamming attack and backing away when they attack?
Nope, not really. It's very basic.

>>7230734
ENCHAIN

>>7230917
Mormonism is a hell of a drug.

>>7231472
It ain't good, that's for sure. If you pull a switch, you should be able to immediately see what it did, otherwise you should use a colored key - that's how good level design is supposed to work. But in Hexen you often need to pull eight different switches to open a door, and they're not even on a same map, but all over the hub, and the switches don't clearly indicate what they do. I heard Hexen II is even worse in this regard, but I can't comment on that.

Hexen mod for Doom 3
https://www.moddb.com/mods/hexen-edge-of-chaos/downloads

>>7231529
which is unfinished forever

>>7231509
Get shat on, Hexen is B A S E D

Do you expect mapsets to be similar to Doom 2 on UV, or harder?

>>7231081
>Quake 2 Evolved
It's a shame that they stopped working on that
And started working on a Enemy Territory clone

>>7231534
Based on Romero's design documents he was supposed to be working on back at id?

here is a blast from the past
https://www.moddb.com/games/quake-2/addons/tourettesguy-model-and-sounds

>>7231554
pastebin has evolved along with Knightmare's patch for it

I've never played Heretic, Hexen, etc. Which is the best one of these to start with?

>>7231572
Hairy dick

>>7231545
Mapsets should specify difficulty levels and whatever degree of support they have.

>>7231572
Heretic. It's a more straightforward experience and introduction to the world. You can run the wad with any modern source port.

>>7231572
Heretic if you want Doom with a fantasy skin and an inventory. Hexen if you want something a little different with non linear level design and character classes. Most people I know play Heretic first.

How many commerically released Doom TCs were there? Heretic, Hexen, Hacx.. Are there others?

>>7231587
Are any of the items other than the spellbook really mandatory on the medium difficulty? The items have been the only thing making me hesitant towards the game for awhile now.

>>7231591
>Non-linear level design
As in hub worlds, or perhaps switches in one level having effects on other levels, that sort of stuff? And is Hexen really as 'bad' of a switch hunt as people have made it out to be?

>>7231605
>And is Hexen really as 'bad' of a switch hunt as people have made it out to be?
It can get pretty confusing at times, but I'm sure most people who complain got filtered by the first hub.

>>7231338
He was obviously kidding
>>7231472
It's somewhat of a meme. There are switch hunts, but it's not like you're completely blind, the game gives you some guidance on what to do. Like if you press a switch that affects another level, itll say something like "a door has opened in x level". Since the maps arent huge, it shouldnt be that difficult to just remember what it says and find the door.

Thanks for the Hexen and Heretic advice guys, I'm going to give both an honest try.

>>7231619
That's my point to
>>7231323

>>7231625
Have fun, anon.

>>7231157
I kept fuckin around with this

>>7230015
>>7230024
well since the anon were playing q2 and asked about it
Here is all that i did for Q2 for the upscaling shenanigans, with some updates, mainly weapons, and the Skyboxes pak
https://mega.nz/file/BZ0nXS4A#1Js0dOCtER1vDLKoGUtz8YDeUzdkQ2U3Ea8NhTo58ak

have fun diddling, playing or editing this

>>7231605
>Are any of the items other than the spellbook really mandatory on the medium difficulty? The items have been the only thing making me hesitant towards the game for awhile now.
No, you can play and never use the other shit

>>7231730
it ranges from vanilla til GZ and Reckoning

Quake's grenade launcher is among the funnest weapons to use of all time. The arching trajectory and slow-moving projectile means it's very difficult to land shots at first, but it makes it that much more satisfying to score hits, and the very high damage output makes it worth it. More importantly, because the projectile moves slower than a rocket, you get more time to move out of the way so you can use the grenade launcher at closer ranges than the rockets, you can bounce shots around corners, and the grenade launcher fires faster so it does more damage assuming your shots hit.

>>7231739

>>7231628
He wasn't kidding and Tom Hall retweeted and agreed, they were both being developed at the same time, came out within days of each other and Romero was involved in the development of Heretic and around Apogee's offices visiting Tom and checking out ROTT throughout development. It's not a stretch for him to have made this connection or discussed it with Tom/Raven even if it isn't stated in either game.

>>7231717
that looks better

>>7231605
Quartz Flask is basically a Medikit that you carry around, Tome of Power beefs your weapons up to a sometimes absurd degree for a short period of time, Shadow Sphere is kinda like the blursphere but actually kinda useful, since physical projectiles like the knight axes will go through you while its active. Other than that the Ring of Invulnerability is pretty obvious, and Wings of Wrath are great for backtracking to get goodies you might have missed. The others like the Chaos Device and Time Bomb are a bit more niche, but since you can only carry one of each item between levels, its never a bad idea to use any excess whenever it suits you. Chaos Device in particular can be great for not getting ambushed by monster closets when learning new maps.

>>7231472
Yes and no. Within one hub (which is a level) are multiple areas with an overarching puzzle to solve, you're only given a message telling you how far you are into solving something or what is set off when you make progress. It can be vague, but what grinds my fucking gears about Hexen are the fucking Centaurs. Bloody things just cockblock all of your attacks as long as their shield is up unless Parias or Daedolon use flechettes, and there's even a variant with projectiles. They make the combat even worse and there's up to 344 of the regular ones in the game too, fuck them.

>>7231751
Rise of the Triad does have a lot of magical shit laying around like Mercury Flight, God Mode and Dog Mode, a magical staff weapon and El Oscuro and his monks use magic.

>>7231753
I agree, thank you anon, it's just nice to give it some much needed breathing room, that old one was bad about that.

>>7231742
Based and Quakepilled.
>Ranger my man my arm is stuck pls help what are you doing with that grenade launcher?

>>7231607
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDfQ1K8ODQ8

>>7231157
This one is better, but you should mock up a Combined Arms logo and stick it in the center. The right side negative space here >>7231717 is super annoying.

>>7231607
>soul patch Hilter
hahahahahaha. I feel like this guy isn't a failed artist but a failed Razor Scooter salesman

>>7231758
Ty mate. I'm about five levels in now and it's been okay. The level and monster design is pretty solid but other than when using a Tome of Power I couldn't give two shits about any of the weapons except the crossbow out of what I've found so far. Does the game start to get more interesting during the second episode, or is it more of the same?

>>7231607
Do the Bethesda ports edit Hitler, is that the Unity one? His armband reminds me of ROTT

The multi-grenade does the same damage as a normal grenade if it hits before breaking apart into more grenades, so I spend regular rocket/grenade ammo with the grenade launcher, and save my multi-rockets for the rocket launcher

>>7231802
Yeah, that's how he looks in Wolfenstein RPG and if you hit it it smack him as it looks in the right frame

>>7231780
How about this? Also I need that extra room on the right for the sake of the other weapons in the other sets. I feel like putting a logo on the class select window is a bit much.

>>7231821

>>7231765

>>7231829
>Also I need that extra room on the right for the sake of the other weapons in the other sets
Is that so? Well then I've got no real complaints. The one in the post I'm replying to just makes it apparent how close the sword is to the first.

>>7231832
>>7231821
How can one man be THIS Quakepilled?

>>7231846
I could always shorten the baton in the weapon select screen a little, I think I made it too long here compared to how it is in game

>>7231813
Most of the weapons are by default designed more around pushing back enemies than they are just quickly killing them outright. Its a bit of an annoyance to some people how spongy a lot of the enemies in Heretic can be, but thats generally what you're going to be looking at with some of them.

Episode 1 has great archetecture, but bad combat. Just like with Doom 1, you can get most of the weapons pretty early in E2 (if you can find the secrets,) so that should help you get a good idea about how they feel. As for enemies, it keeps gradually adding more that fill different niches, and the boss tier enemies have pretty interesting attacks (they "choose" which attack to use, instead of just sticking with the same thing every time you're in view.)

By itself it's probably not going to completely blow you away, but there are a lot of interesting things to appreciate in it. There are also a good chunk of gameplay mods that are compatible with it like Guncaster, Samsara, Heretical Doom, etc that can change up the weapons and/or monsters behavior a bit if you're still not feelin it after a few episodes.

I would say to at least play through Episodes 1-3, since that was the base game, then if you don't like it, try it with mods or move on.

>>7231829
Whoa these look fuckin NEATO how do I play it? Give now.

>>7231832
r_scale?

>>7231826
>Wolfenstein RPG
reposting this
All the id RPGs are fucking based. Carmack wrote the engine (over a weekend, if I recall correctly. He said he decided to finally check out gaming on cell phones and found them incredibly lame so decided to make something himself) and it was clearly inspired by the type of predominantly Western classic first person dungeon crawler PC RPGs that Carmack had played back in the day. He said he decided to go with the style he did as a way to design within the limitations of the platform instead of making a shitty half assed platformer that plays like shit or whatever.

There were 5 using the engine. Doom RPG, Doom II RPG, Wolfenstein RPG and Orcs & Elves 1 and 2, an original traditional fantasy IP made for the engine.

You can find all the iD RPG games and an emulator to play them here. I run them on my Android phone with J2ME Loader and it works great. There's an onscreen keypad for the buttons. If you want to play on PC just use the Windows version of J2ME Loader.

All the iD RPG games are in this archive:
https://mega.nz/#!Y7AjEawA!Ta2RQuOC235v0wQoLtVR7HJoN7bsiawkujSlq8A1Da4

Also, Doom II RPG had an exclusive black and white comic book tie-in. You can read it here:
https://imgur.com/a/slxE9or

>>7231864
Give me some more time anon. I need to finish up the last BFG tier weapon, and do some more much needed polishing for another set.

>>7231874
Wew is Artificer a woman?

>>7231882
No you fucking coomer

>>7231882
Nah. He's just a weirdo. Though looking at that sketch again he looks kinda feminine there.
Might have been during that phase Ultra64 was drawing anime grills.

>>7231874
i wonder how outdated those screenshots are

>>7231865
2. I'm using MarkV WinQuake in 640x480 stretched but the analogous look in QS would be r_scale 2. WinQuake uses software rendering also so it won't look the same in QS AFAIK

>>7231885
>Implying I take insult to that moniker
Never gonna make it, brah.
>>7231886
>Though looking at that sketch again he looks kinda feminine there.
Bingo.

>>7231870
>Also, Doom II RPG had an exclusive black and white comic book tie-in
Holy BASED

>>7231886
Are those eyes on the side of his neck?

>>7231887
Not very actually, I had sent Ultra a test build back in May/June, the Past Linked set was done back then and the top screenshot with the pistol is fine, the only thing that's really outta place now is the old thermometer in the middle pic, it's getting a facelift as seen here.

>>7231895
It's an understandable mistake I think, you're good.

>>7231918
His eyes swing around in his helmet freely. Like I said, he's a weirdo.
I feel weird doing big multiple quote replies like this.

>>7231932
Get back to work, Kegan. I want to play this by next week. What do I pay you for?

>>7231918
His helmet is filled with blueberry jam and two plums.

>>7231932
>His eyes swing around in his helmet freely. Like I said, he's a weirdo.
Kinda gay

>>7231932
>Not very actually
huh, interesting good luck.

>>7231965
To each their own.

>>7231157
>too much dead space
Less is more. Too much clutter and it looks confusing. The dead space is mainly a result of different-sized sprites, as far as I'm concerned. The space lets the eyes categorize the separate slots easier

>Ross released higher quality versions of Sin's soundtrack
Hey thats cool

>playing deathmatch on a doom server
>first round, doing pretty good, having fun.
>second round: I'm winning! I'm winning!
>round is over, I literally won
>I was playing against three bots

>>7231545
>>7231581
I reckon most typical pwads should try to at least make Skill 1/2 comparable to Doom 2 or TNT on UV, so that newer players can have a mode to fall back to if even Skill 3 is too much.
Only exception is slaughtermaps, or other niche types of hard wads, where Doom 2 UV style of gameplay balance simply wouldn't work without completely butchering the map. So in such cases, probably better to use Plutonia Map32 or whatever "easy" example map of niche hard gameplay as a base for skill 1/2 gameplay.

>>7231157
I think this looks perfectly readable, honestly. Very easy to understand.

>>7232073
I kept getting second place in those recent /vr/ dm games. Pissed me off a tad, cannot lie.

>>7231832
Disgusting aliasing.

how do i lower the texture bit depth in quakespasm at 1080p60fps

>>7232135
4u.
>>7232148
r_scale

Finally beat Valiant recently, UV pistol starts no saves, except 2-3 levels where I saved. I've been unsure of what to play next, but now I know: Plutonia in 320x200 resolution. I've never played it before and I think I'm good enough to beat it pistol starts no saves and I want to play it Just Like It Was Played™ hence the resolution. I would use Chocolate Doom but I like my vertical recoil pitch option because it reminds me of Doom 64 and the weapon feedback feels great so I'll use Crispy, but low-res mode in 4:3 to mimic Chocolate. Also I wanna test out the Plutonia MIDI pack with the RLNDGM soundfont and the new SC-55 soundfont above. I'm really happy with the MIDIs so far, especially map20 (which is also Eviternity's intermission music)
https://youtu.be/_Nh6LCCCIsg

>when you run up to a chaingunner with the SSG and get the blockmap bug

Boom to boom

This section kicks my ass

>>7232250
But we need to go FASTER still.

This MIDI has no business being this good. Both RLNDGM and the new SC-55 soundfonts are doing really well, with RLNGDM sound better for some songs and vice versa

Also fuck these tunnels for making me eat a rocket.

>>7230708
>>7230718
WRATH vs Graven vs Prodeus
?

>>7232290
I don't like wizard shit, so Prodeus or Wrath. Prodeus if you want action straight to your veins, Wrath if you want Unreal + Quake.

>>7232290
Most interested in Graven. I backed Prodeus, though.

>>7232256
WHERE'S THE BRAKES ON THIS THING?!

>>7232290
Is it possible to disable all the postprocessing cringe in Prodeus so it actually looks like a 90s game?

>>7232386
Yes.

>>7231602
Strife, Chex Quest

>>7232359
Under 4 minutes tonight.

>>7232386
nope, there isn't much graphic options in general

>>7232406
Back when QDQ was new I remember doing this map in very little time. I don't remember the number exactly, but you should watch that because even if you're not timing the strats perfectly it has good ideas.

>>7232412
>>7232392
Somebody is lying...

>>7232417
https://youtu.be/PyjETii8kUk?t=134
See "native"

>>7232412
>>7232417
You can remove the screen effects like grain, filters and dithering in the options (it even has the slider so you can adjust how much of each you have from 100 to 0)

>>7232413
>14 seconds
Jesus christ. Unfortunately I'm doing the Quoth version, Back To Gloom Keep, hence the higher monster count.
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/e1m5quoth.html

>>7232421
you can't turn off stuff like vignette.

>>7232426
Oh yeh. Fair enough.

>>7232406

>>7231126
>Devil Daggers
>Ziggurat
Gameplay in those isn't really reminiscent of 90s shooters.
>Hard Reset
That's more like Serious Sam and Painkiller.

Few weapons are as satisfying as the Ingram MAC-10. Funny thing is, the real one is probably faster and even more inaccurate. Also this game is surprisingly easy on the hardest difficulty. I had a rough first playthrough because I unironically was trying to play the game like Doom, just running into room and strafing enemies, but if you chill out and peek corners in 3rd person and use your bullet-time, it becomes pretty easy to blast through without saves on even the hardest difficulty since it doesn't change very much

>>7231607
From that thumbnail, I thought Deathshead was Sam Hyde

Found a secret stash of three AK-47 magazines, now I'm stacked on ammo and can just mag dump when I want to

Let's say I want to make and sell (for money) a low-poly oldschool FPS.
What engine should I use that won't run like shit on older hardware, while still allowing for decently complex levels?
GZDoom would work weird with low poly 3D since enemies will only turn at 45 degree angles and IDK how to get around that. Plus any room-over-room geometry very significantly impacts performance.
IIRC Quakespasm can't be used commercially
Darkplaces runs like shit on older hardware
Unity and Unreal 4 run like ass and are bloated with a lot of overhead shit you can't disable (while technically you can in Unity, it requires rather expensive PRO subscription)
GODOT is even more expensive than Unity.
No idea about Xash3D have to look into it. Haven't seen anything on it that didn't immediately screamed "HL mod LMAO" to me.

>>7232494
I love games from this era. Kinda low poly but really good borderline lifelike textures at certain times. Look at that carpet theyre standing on. hundreds of rows of carpet fiber and even little stain spots all over. The pizza looks like crap but the grease stains on the box looks great.

>>7232456
Carpal tunnel kicked in. Can't do it, at least not tonight. Here's the .dem for anyone interested.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/yhlmwu0t8mpcuef/B2GK_4_01.dem/file
3:57 or 58 is easily possible considering how much I fucked up, but there's too much RNG for me to bother trying with a bad wrist. Good luck anyone who takes it up.

>>7232521
>GODOT is even more expensive than Unity.
It's FOSS.

>>7232494
Packing a mac in the back of the ac, I see. I never did find my PC Max Payne discs, I have a ps2 copy of 2 kicking around though. Once I get bored of DMoMaM tonight I think I'll throw it on for a bit

>>7232035
He's done that before, multiple times even.

>>7231310
>Lapenko on /vr
Can we just stop pretending and speak russian already?

>>7232197
Good job anon, that was me a few months ago. I ended up really adoring plutonia and it was so satisfying to improve through the experience.

>>7232529
>>7232521
Fuck i meant "performance expensive", as in runs the exact same scene with much worse FPS.
There are ways to optimise by cutting physics and a lot of interactivity, but at that point you might as well be using Darkplaces.

>>7232537
Alright that's what I assumed you meant, just needed to make sure.
I'd say GZDoom would be your best bet but make damn sure you have everything sorted out so you don't get bitten in the ass, I have no idea how it's set up for commercial stuff, like if there's anything that needs to be stripped out.

>>7232521
>IIRC Quakespasm can't be used commercially
Isn't Quake 1 open source?

>>7232542
Open Source means you can look inside and modify for your own perusal. But that does not mean you can sell your modifications, or games you made with them.
The intelectual property and commercial rights still belong to id Software
The license Doom and Quake engines were released does not allow for commercial use, which is why it was a big deal for Darkplaces and GZDoom to be entirely rewritten to allow them to use different GPL license that allows commercial use.

>>7232558
You dropped this. Interesting to know. Shame about DP being shit for old hardware. Would like to see more Quake engine based games.

>>7232541
GZDoom went full commercially viable GPL at some point before 4.0 (don't remember exact version), you dont have to take anything out of it, except maybe FluidSynth, but that's just a DLL, delete it and game won't show it.

Modifying its code to allow monsters to turn at angles different from 45 degrees (which is important if you want to use 3D models, as even low-poly quickly starts to look like shit with restriction like this) would be rather difficult, as IIRC it's tied to decorate, ZScript and whole lot of other shit that would also need rewriting and that's a can of worms im not ready to open

>>7231747
>>7231739
Looks interesting, but the weapon textures are kinda off.

>>7231742
What's interesting about Quake is that ogres have it. So, unlike most shooters, most of the game you aren't dodging projecticles - you are avoiding bouncing grenades and splash damage.

>>7232527
My poopy computer can run Max Payne 2 on maximum graphic settings and it's not too far off from playing a modern game on low settings. For example, I used to play Holdfast (uninstalled it to play more retro since it was consuming too much time) and I had to play it with all the settings on low
>>7232530
You can get it from the OP, that's what I did. I don't feel bad, I bought both games 15-20 years ago.

How do I kill these four enemies in map18 of 2048 units of /vr/? I see no trigger to lower the platforms.

>>7232558
This is somewhat incorrect.

The Doom engine source code was under the DSL, a non-commercial license, from its original release in 1997 to when it was re-licensed in 1999 to the GPL.

The Quake engine source code, on the other hand, was never under a non-commercial license, and has been licensed under the GPL since it was released in 1999.

Most modern Doom source ports, except for certain ports which still continue to use DSL licensed code, like ZDaemon, are licensed under the GPL or compatible licenses, and are perfectly okay to use for commercial use cases.

Quakespasm, at least from what i can tell from the Sourceforge page, has no commercial usage restrictions either.

>>7232558
Doom engine and Quake engine both have GPL releases, actually.
Doom engine did initially have a different "Doom Source Code License" release that prohibited commercial use, with many early source ports using such license before the GPL re-release happened. GZDoom used to use it because of trying to stay inline with ZDoom, but once ZDoom was discontinued, Graf was free to clean things up for GPL. ZDaemon and Zandronum still use this old license.
Quake engine has always been GPL since its source code release.

>>7232515
This shit is not FPS and is not on topic

>>7232290
Prodeus as it stands now though I think Graven might end up being then best of the three.
>>7232386
As other anons said yes, that other guy is full of shit

>>7231870
>Also, Doom II RPG had an exclusive black and white comic book tie-in.
Never knew about it, cool!

>>7231607
Mac version.

>>7231870
>chaingunner
>TIGHT FORMATION!
lol

>>7231816
I think so

>>7231607
Who is God's name is the Doom GBA guy supposed to be? Is that some guy from RTCW or something? It looks like a digitized sprite of a textured 3D model

>>7232675
:^)

>>7232073
>playing deathmatch in quake
>nobody in my region awake so i play against bots
>still get last place
i think i may be retarded

>>7231325
>also it is using that kickass vertical opening door that has two interleaved halves, one going up and one going down? i first saw that in 2048 units of /vr/ i think?
Yes, I first used it on what would become MAP06 of 2048 units (Although at the time I couldn't make Boom work, so it was done with just two lines next to one another)

>>7232654
>NOOOOOOOO THE CAMERA IS IN A DIFFERENT PLACE NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!

>>7232528
>>7232456
>Take break
>On a whim try again with hurting wrist
Oh baby it hurts but that was worth it. 3:56 is possible but I don't think I care enough.

>>7232684
It likely is Wilhelm Strasse AKA Deathshead's model from RTCW.

Today I learned that GZDoom doesnt actually have a compatibility setting that enables ghost monsters bug from vanilla. "Crushed Monsters can be resurrected" simply just toggles if crushed corpses can be resurrected at all, and doesnt actually have anything to do with the ghost monsters bug. Which honestly, makes this setting pointless.
There does exist a flag to enable it for automatic fixes, so that if you play a historically notable level relying on the bug, like Icarus map24, it should work as intended. But thats as far as GZDoom supports it.

>>7232647
>Quakespasm, at least from what i can tell from the Sourceforge page, has no commercial usage restrictions either.

>>7230868
This, I like TNT

>>7232794
I just checked icarus alien vanguard because I remember playing it with gzdoom. The ghosts seem to work just fine, they even appear as slightly transparent so it's definitely possible.

Quake has shot viewmodel animations. Had anyone made any good ones?

>>7232820
Faaag

>>7232817
I literally just explained why it works in stuff like Icarus

Fuck gay ass RanGAY. CHADDERMAN is the real Quake man.

>>7232858
muh spaec muhreenz

Is there a download out there for the Sonic Mayhem Quake 1 soundtrack to use as a drop in replacement?

>>7232858
I don't know who this guy is but he looks like he's made of CHEESE! Ha Ha

>>7232684
Give RTCW a try sometime, it's pretty fun. I still think it's the peak of Wolfenstein.

>>7232879
nevermind, just found it, you'll have to rename the tracks to track02 - track10 though
would be nice to have a better quality rip than 128kbps but this is the best i found in my ten minutes of searching
http://www.mediafire.com/file/ccytsbslbc767vq/SonicMayhem-MethodsOfDestruction-PLM.zip/file

>>7230930
This is the best thing I've seen all week. Thank you based anon and based Sandy

>>7232726
It's literally not an FPS. Do you see Third Person Shooters or TPS in OP?

>>7232904
It was in the news post for like two weeks newfag

>>7231842

>>7232726
So we can discuss DMC and Syphon Filter in these threads now too?

>>7232826
They're shit

God I want to fuck Sandy Petersen

>>7232817
It's fine in Icarus because of this https://zdoom.org/wiki/Automatic_compatibility
>Icarus: Alien Vanguard MAP24: Crushed monsters can be resurrected and ghost monster bug reestablished
>Note that compatibility options that aren't linked but are described as "bug reestablished" are not, and will not be, available as normal compatibility options. They rely on the engine behaving in a fundamentally broken fashion and should not be used anymore.
You cannot manually enable it in settings. It exists in GZDoom for automatic compatibility only.

>>7232927
>reading news
>shitting on people
fuck off, honestly

>>7233021
News posts are part of this thread, if you're too much of a faggot to read them maybe you should go back to CringeWorld

>>7233021
Faaaaaaaag

>>7232585
Because Q2 weapon textures are full of retaded artifacts due to the colormap limit and i didn't care to fix it because its boring.
Only the other weapons and the ETF rifle brought me attention to do it, even if the ETF kinda became shoddy a bit due to the fuckfest that is the textures.

>>7232881
i wonder who wrote this post

>>7231607
WEEEEELLLLLLL I SAY BOY

DOWN HERE IN THE SOUTH WE DO THINGS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM YOU CITY BOYS

>>7230078
The real Doom II is No Rest for the Living.

>get gifted zoom eternal
>start the game
>you are forced to create a bethesda account to play the game at all
Off to a good start I see

>>7230762
>TNT2
I can understand BTSX E3, as its basically the modern Mordeth, but I'm surprised that TNT 2 isn't out yet. I remember a year and a half ago, Marcaek said on doomworld that they were only waiting on one and a half maps. What the hell is taking so long?

>>7230734
www.retropew.com
Plesse contribute. There is a github link at the bottom.

>>7233164
Nah, Final Doom is the real Doom 2

>>7231126
Please also contribute to www.retropew.com

>>7233173
It kicks ass, we all know Bethesda is gay but it's worth it. Unlock the classic Doomguy skin ASAP, it only requires two crystals to unlock which you get relatively early.

>>7233224
No, it isn't, it's the real Doom II packaged with some shitty extra wads that people still pretend are good for some reason

>>7230762
This. Last AAA-megawad was Eviternity in 2018, we're overdue for something big.

Should I play quake's christmas jam 2020 before quake 1's expansions?

>>7233230
Whoa, what is this? Has someone already done the work for us of making a list of all the throwback boomer shooters?

>>7233262
>2018
SIGIL came out in 2019

Exactly what gameplay changes are in Doom Zero that warranted the author writing multiple times that it's "absolutely not compatible with gameplay mods"? All I've seen so far are a couple changed sound effects and a slightl reskin of the plasma gun.

>>7233291
He said it ruined his balance

How can i open a model textures .PCX file from within a .pak catalog without it sometimes showing up either as monochrome or this weird 'inverted sepia tone' thing in Gimp? (it happens with about 30% percent of images, which is frustrating enough - but with IrfanView it occurs like 80% of files it seems). Changing the pics into other formats dont help at all

>>7233303
this is caused because Q2 Colormap and PCX format are archaic and most programs nowadays doesnt even use it anymore.

you need photoshop and irfanview with all plugins to show it up

>>7233291
There are adjusments to weapons and a new enemy and a new boss. The problem isn't how much is changed, but how it was changed. This was hacked in for DOS support in a way that's not compatible with the sourceport ways.

>>7233085
Are those ridges near the Prox's muzzle top part of the weapon model or applied via its textures? Kinda wish they could be easily removed/changed to differentiate its model from the normal GL even more a bit

>>7233332
its part of the weapon model

>>7233190
Marcaek hit a severe mapping block and can't make a MAP26 for about 2 years now. Problem is, because caek is a teamlead, he doesn't let anyone else make MAP26, othewise his fragile ego breaks. So, TNT2 may never come out.

>>7233230
Honorable mention to Reflex Arena i see

>>7233284
Its quakewulf's pet project
its good for all around retroshooting stuff

>>7230062
getting bigtime Shatner vibes from this

>>7233284
Notice a really big 1998 release missing from the list

>>7233190
>>7233357
For fucks sake.

>>7233289
Sigil is good, but it's not "big megawad with lots of new textures" good.

>>7233401
Because Gay-Life is cringe

>>7233406
>No, it's even better! Also REKKR is shit and Daikatana is a good game if you learn how the sidekick AI works bro! It was a victim of hype!

>>7233275
No.

>>7233396

>>7233406
you mean boring slaughterfests? No thanks

>>7233413
This meme's asshole is getting loose, you know.