/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT PROJECT ===
500ml of /vr/
BETA: https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/7041037/#7043379
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=== NEWS ===
[12-20]Quake Xmas Jam 2020 Released
https://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61995

[12-20]Mission64 a Quake 2 64 missionpack for Q2 was released
https://www.moddb.com/games/quake-2/addons/mission-64

[12-20]DSDA 10.0 released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/118074-dsda-doom-source-port-v0100/

[12-19] TerminusEst13 releases a 7DFPS GZDoom project, Kid 4 $29.99.
https://terminusest13.itch.io/kid-4-2999

[12-19] Snap the Sentinel, a short standalone 7DFPS IWAD made for GZDoom inspired by SNES/Genesis games released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/118627-gzdoom-snap-the-sentinel-~-short-new-iwad-for-7dfps/
https://tehrealsalt.itch.io/snap-the-sentinel

[12-19] Champions updated to v2.8
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=60456

[12-18] Adoria, a Quake mod two years in the making that connects Wolf 3D, Doom and Quake to same universe is released
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYw9XtcLhxg

[12-17] Doom Eternal Whiplash sprites released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=70131#p1168102

[12-16] Doom Annihilation director Tony Giglio confirms a sequel on Twitter, says script is finished
https://www.twitter.com/tonygig/status/1332835065773002754

[12-15] Doom Zero added to the Bethesda Unity ports add-ons
https://twitter.com/bethesda/status/1338916127360086022

[12-14] Realism 2 Updated
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=68021&start=240#p1176050
https://twitter.com/kinsie/status/1338372260055240705

[12-14] Pavel Mappack released for Q2
https://www.moddb.com/games/quake-2/addons/pavels-mappack

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Don't forget to drink your health bonus today!

So is the guy of Doom in Eternal just the rip and tear guy from the comic? He has the same hair and angry antics.

>>7199710
Sorry since playing serious sam I'm weary of picking up random health and armor bonuses, especially those offered to me by strangers.

>>7199710
It's caco piss.

>>7199692
nah, that makes it hard to remember the cone is oriented in the direction you originally fired, not your current direction

>female.wad
>You are in a new world dominated by females. The feminist won the war against the men, killing all of them. This world is a dream for lesbians (in fact, lesbians and feminist women are the same thing!).

>>7199767
>The unique man that can find a legitime woman and rebuild the world like it was before is you. Fight against those women and find a way to get out to a world with real women that can love a man. Go, marine. GO!

>>7199767
>>7199768


Speaking of a dystopian corporate futa future, what is the best way to add the original OST to redneck rampage?

Just run the OST in the background?

>>7199651
>Celephais quake pozzed mapping discord circlejerk
>i rather eat my own shit, they became dumbworld 2.0.
Any Q1 maps you made lately that aren't pozzed?

>>7199794
none and will never do one because quake 1 mapping died years ago discord faggot

>>7199795
>quake 1 mapping died years ago
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/4ltsp01.html
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/gsh_adoria.html
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/nightshift.html
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/wlb.html
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/akm1.html
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/bmfbrsp2_v1.2.html
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/copper_v1_15.html
Looks alright to me.

>>7199760
>"that dragon is bad influence, I don't want you hanging around with him anymore!"

>>7199767
lmao
>(in fact, lesbians and feminist women are the same thing!)
I've seen enough to say otherwise.

>>7199806
Would you even call him a... bad dragon?

>>7199794
Of course he hasn't, he's just a slackjawed faggot who wants to complain.

Heretic: Shadow of the Serpent Riders, HeXen: Beyond Heretic, HeXen: Deathkings of the Dark Citadel and HeXen II are now available on GOG.
https://www.gog.com/news/the_classic_fantasy_shooter_series_heretic_joins_the_ranks_of_gogcom
https://www.gog.com/game/heretic_hexen_collection

>>7199801
im talking about real quake mapping, neil manke, jf gustaffson and so on. Not the AD pharaonic clones because all of you idiots has no imagination to come with something new, or even classic style mapping cine your circlejerk started to hate it.

Adoria is nice example of it, it went out of your circlejerk to create something good.
Ter shibolleth is mixed bag but is nice.
Raven keep is another good one that feels like a Hexen2 Episode in quake, even classic single player maps had more ideas than modern shit.

>>7199812
its Hexen 2 with no Expansion pack, the legal loophole is ass for that one.

>>7199816
>its Hexen 2 with no Expansion pack, the legal loophole is ass for that one.
>Published by Activision.
...and no Heretic 2. Yeah, I can imagine what kind of legal mess it is.

>>7199812
>still no heretic 2
meh

Does anyone know any Christmas themed wads of decent quality? Just realized that might be a thing and thought I might as well ask.

>>7199824
>>7199823
Legal Loophole shenanigans because of ActivisionBlizzard, which will end badly for them very soon since all of their names are on the CCP worldwide members list that leaked out.

>>7199816
I'm pretty sure you and I are the only people on Earth who remember Neil Manke, but he was not the end-all, be-all of mapping, and the world has moved on since then. Askisi Gamma is a fantastic id1 style Copper based map. What Lies Behind is a great atmospheric romp. Ain't gotten around to the others yet. If you want to sit there and jerk off guys who don't know you exist from 20 years ago, be my guest, but your life would be a lot more interesting if you took matters into your own hand and tried to one-up guys like Neil. But let's be honest, you don't actually care about Quake that much. You just enjoy bitching. And ter_shib is a 10/10.

>>7199829
the anon xmas map is pretty sweet; it used to be in the news post but op sucks?

there's a doomer boards xmas wad, but i think the anon map from a few days ago is better

>>7199836
only a zoom zoom from the discord group would say that.
but again your kind lives on hating anything that isn't "your" quake, which is Celephais and baker circlejerk.

>>7199837
its that hard to check the previous thread and post here?

>>7199823
>>7199824
>>7199816
Here's the complete collection: https://mega.nz/folder/CldGAahb#yn_8LkRHraywPgKJMp5pqA
In case any of you guys might be looking for them, there's Heretic 1 + exp pack, Hexen + exp pack, Hexen 2 + exp pack (in the Dospack file), and Heretic 2 can be found under the Win98 menu

>>7199842
>but again your kind lives on hating anything that isn't "your" quake
What Lies Behind is id1 based completely and not AD. Askisi Gamma is Copper. The Ter_Shib redux received absolutely zero fanfare on Celephais.
>Only a zoom zoom would tell you to try and one-up the guys from 20 years ago you're jerking off instead of setting there bitching
Never thought of it that way...whoa...

>>7199650
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBwU7_5qAmI

>>7199848
And yet you are Here kvetching and derailing the thread because my post made your ass bleed. So why?
In fact, you are behaving like alf of all people.

>tfw no qt.baroness gf

>>7199856
>and derailing the thread by discussing Quake
You keep hitting me with these revelations.
>So why?
I'd be interested in what someone who knows the name of Neil Manke can do with Trenchbroom. Ideally this discussion would spur you into making something. If you're not interested, feel free to stop replying. Pic related.

>>7199857
you WILL play doom coop with her
no exceptions

>>7199860
No.

>>7199837
Think it just got bumped off by other news posts. Here it is for people who are in the festive mood.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/xicx18wmelbkyq5/xmas.wad/file

>>7199860
fuck yes

>>7199863
saying no isn't an option
the door leading out requires a red skull and she won't give it to you until you play through all of doom 1 and 2 coop on UV with her

>>7199860
What's a good source port for splitscreen co-op by chance? Seeing that Graf [NO]'d that for GZDoom.

>>7199872
Legacy has that feature

>>7199864
thanks, sorry for whining

it's a good map, should be included somewhere for posterity

>>7199842
i'm indeed lazy but another glorious anon covered it

Any sweet Ramadan wads?

>>7199902
Operation Body Count

>>7199718
I mean it says so in the game

I really like NRFTL, sweet layouts and secret places, lot's of useless detailing but whatever as long as it's not a bother, but is it me or does it lack gameplay spice? and that's playing on UV pistol start.

>>7197560

CRUO STRAGARANA MALAXOS

>>7199948

>>7199948
CRUDUX CRUO

>>7199948
>MALAXOS

it's
>no lactose

I think

>>7199948
Modern arts and fear books, am i right fellas?

>>7199948
AAAH!

>>7199934
NRFTL is pretty good, though I hate it's midi choices. Doom 2 has 16 midis for its levels (18 if including the secret wolfenstein ones), and for whatever reason, they decided that a 9 level episode should only use 6 of them.
Really wish a midi pack would get made for it someday.

>>7199718
Not sure if the comic itself is canon or that was just a wink and nod from Hugo but the Slayer IS the original Doomguy from 1/2/64

>>7200029
No he isn't.

>>7200040
It literally is. Did you play the game? Maybe he isn't in your head canon but according to id the canon timeline is: 1, 2, 64, 4, Eternal

How is the Ultimate BIG BRAIN CHAD John Carmack only worth 50 million net and Tiananmen Tim Sweeney is worth 5 fucking billion?

>>7200064
Canon is a meme.

>>7200078
Cus Carmack hasn't done the bend and spread for the Chinese like Sweeney has.
Not yet, at least.

>>7199846
B-b-b-b-based! Thanks anon!

>>7200085
Oh, you meant "No, he isn't because I stuck my fingers in my ears and went LALALLALALALALA and I couldn't hear you so it isn't true." Ok then.

>>7200098
It isn't true. The Doomguy of nu-Doom isn't the Doomguy of classic Doom. He is the Doomguy of nu-Doom's take on classic Doom.

>>7200078
>>7200092
你好!我的名字叫蒂姆·斯威尼(TIM SWEENEY),我爱中国共产党。习近平是一个伟大的人,我希望将来与我的中国共产党朋友们进行更多的合作!

>>7200103
That's your head canon and semantics mate, he's the same fucking guy. You can say in your opinion the way they portrayed what the original Doomguy would be like in the new games is wrong but you don't own the IP

>>7200104
Time Sweeney looks like an alternate universe John Carmack if he was 120% less Chad

>>7200106
No it isn't.

>>7200078
>>7200092
>>7200104
sweeney was making bank long before the more recent questionable decisions

the reality is that unreal engine won out against id tech and other engines, that was the first big bankroll

>>7200108
It's pretty sad when a man you fucking tower over is more CHAD than you.

>>7200098
No I mean the idea of canon is quite literally a meme.

>>7199869
She's a door with health, I have a few boxes of UAC issued HEAT rockets, I believe this will not be a problem for me.

>>7200110
It is.
>>7200117
*in your opinion

>>7200116
damn, carmack got a strong chin

>>7200119
Ok believe in whatever retarded nonsense Bethesda throws at you, philistine.

>>7199718
Making the comic a more central part of the series is like if Konami decided that Captain N's Simon Belmont should be canon in Castlevania

>>7200126
No it isn't, that comic was not a meme in the same way Captain N's shitty adaptation of Captain N Belmont was. The comic is based and insane, Captain N Belmont was a meme for being lame.

This comparison wasn't correct the last 50 times you made it either

A gargoyle face fountain at the Rodin museum in Philadelphia, as featured in Nightmares in the Sky: Gargoyles and Grotesques. Photos from this book would be digitized and featured in games, most famously Doom.

>>7200136
kek

>>7200126
>>7200130
They literally just fucking used one line from it and according to Hugo the insane balls to the wall tone of it somewhat inspired the actual gameplay, otherwise it's not a "cental part" of the series. Bethesda isn't reprinting it and only people who have read it before even know that line is from it (i.e. the vast amount of people who play the new ones have no idea what it's from)

>>7200130
More like Sanic and Sega forcing it, then

>>7200130
>The comic is based

>>7200116
>Carmack with the stealth usbC T-shirt
>Sweeny with a Paragon Nintendo Switch hoodie
Its clear Carmack is the fashion winner

>>7200158
No even to that degree I don't think because Sanic is way more universal of a meme. The Doom comic was mostly just seen by Doom fans and only hardcore Doom fans would even know that line was from there. It was more a wink from the devs

>>7200161
What, we pretending that comic is not fucking awesome now since nuID used it? Fuck off.

>>7200131
Oh interesting.

I wonder what Christ image was the one in Quake based on. Maybe Velasquez?

>>7200170
dude talk like a human being. oh this stuff is kino! come on now at least try to discuss shit in a reasonable matter.

>>7200118
good luck

>>7200170
It was always embarrassing and awkward, it's meme'd because it's retarded.

I dont know about the Doom comic but the only time in my life i actually liked capeshit was the 90s x men liefield era.

Silent Gambit was my boy. Wolverine and Cyclops were too meh. Maybe I am bit gay for gambito. ( And Rogue)

>>7200203
>the only time in my life i actually liked capeshit was the 90s x men liefield era
You're just gay in general

>>7200212
I was a teen of course I was gay.

Now i wonder if Eternal will make FIREBLU jokes

>>7200212
lmao imagine reading capeshit

>>7200180
That's actually a really good question.

>>7200170

the comic was always a meme, a joke, a weird oddity.
It's very much like the CDI Nintendo games, they are weird and interesting because it happened, but I don't think many people would agree that they need to be cornerstone of the lore.

>>7200203
>90s x men liefield era
People talk shit about him since the pop culture pendulum has swung far away from that sort of edginess, but Rob's grim bullshit was fun in the early-90s and unironically had its day in the limelight.

>>7200184
Go fuck yourself faggot

>>7200195
>>7200243
Exactly, and it's so retarded it's awesome.

>>7200104
>Hello! My name is Tim Sweeney and I love the Chinese Communist Party. Xi Jinping is a great person, and I hope to cooperate more with my Chinese Communist Party friends in the future!
lol

>>7200184
>noooo use the words i like!!!
On god please be capping bruh

>>7200249
Yep, it was fun and fucking bad ass in the 90s, it just was. That shit was hot and the grimdark, big muscles and giant guns thing was fucking cool. I ate it up too. It seems comical to look back at now but that was just how the 90s were, particularly early 90s.

we should have a new meme, like post screenshots of what you're mapping and post screenshots from random wads, where we boost gameplay demos

what's the nicest place to post them? catbox?

>>7200315
Your ass.

>>7200302
he spittin

>>7200317
as long as prboom can play the output without desyncing, it's fine

>>7200393
In your ass?

>>7199703
Pavel's Pump map has some interesting stuff

>>7200423
also vertical doors

>>7200398
Is there a good source port for your ass?

>>7200315
>new meme
wat
we already post WIP maps and playthroughs here
this is an imageboard
>boost gameplay demos
wat
>catbox?
yes. catbox changes the file name, so if you zip the demo first, the demo file name wont change. usually the file name is wadname-map##-category-time

>>7200443
Goatse.cx

Major Arlene is a tranny who's real name is Wayne

>>7200451
who cares
if your problem is their maps, talk about what mappers do you think are better or even underrated
so many doom content exists, god damn it

>>7200454
Learn English

>>7200447
oh shit this reminds me

so i said i'd ping sandy and ask him to review tricky moden maps

but there's no email address on his youtube about page

and then i felt bad because it seems he has some game company he's trying to get off the ground

>>7200457
His game company seems somewhat successful. Its only board games after all.

>>7200457
Does he have Twitter? Email his game company asking how to get in touch, it's small, it'll go right to him or someone will give you his email.

>>7200462
do any of them have any doom influence?
on thought he posted designs inspired by the mastermind and cyberdemon on his twitter
i swear, if id ever wants to do another experimental art style on doom or even lovecraftian quake, i don't see why they won't check him
specially if he has new ideas for gimmicky levels without the problems he had in 1994

>>7200457
He will probably be like "Gonna pay me? No time otherwise"

>>7200470
> For review, interview or press Inquiries please e-mail marketing@petersengames.com

hmmm

"dear mr. petersen,

can you review sunlust map 29? check out this spenny thing in this video by this dutch pumpkin head:"

>>7200478
https://petersengames.com/meet-the-team/
he doesn't even mention doom lol

>>7200478
>hmmm

Start the email with that, it'll remind him of someone else

>>7200478
Yeah that shit is for review or press inquiries for his products not doom maps lol

>>7200474
>specially if he has new ideas for gimmicky levels without the problems he had in 1994
Anon, I...

>>7200474
https://petersengames.com/
Look for yourself. He was really more of a lovecraft guy than a demon guy. He did make the original call of cthulu after all

>>7200487
i meant if he still had level ideas and learned from past mistakes

>>7200474
Any Doom influence on current Doom? I am sure their opinions would be valued and heard if they offered them but not any real tangible influence

>>7200064
but where the fuck does Doom 3 go

>>7200513
They're keeping us in the dark about that.

>>7200513
Seperate continuity

>>7200513
It's right there>>7200064
you just can't see it

>>7200513
this is sandy petersen general, no room for doom 3

>>7200513
Doom 64 IS Doom 3
>>7200514
It'll never be more than it's own self contained canon

>>7200312
Comical now compared to what? The deluge of sleep inducing stronk womyn protags in games zeitgeist?

It was a bit silly sure, but the energy could still be used to make stuff today.

Grimdark silliness is always fun.

>>7200486
>>7200481
maybe he looks down upon his time with doom as some temporary thing to make money

>>7200527
I meant the over the top nature of it at it's height, costumes festooned with pouches and impossibly large guns

>>7200531
No he is very proud of Doom, Doom II and Quake. Watch his Matt Chat interview om YouTube. He calls those games "MY games". It's just not really relevant to say you worked on FPS games on a company page for board games

>>7200447
I am sure Sandy doesn't even know how to run Doom now, or the best way at least. Even Romero in SIGIL interviews sounded overwhelmed with all the source ports

>>7199767
My dog is asking for a link. Looking up "Female Doom" doesn't brings up anything.

>>7200584
It doesn't exist

>>7200584
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames//index.php?search=1&field=filename&word=female&sort=time&order=asc&page=1

>>7200563
I remember it was toned down gradually until it was alright with other artists taking their own bran d of grimdark . Hence why I mentioned it, I never liked cape stuff. I only grew up with euro shit like Asterix and Moebius thankfully.

But I liked the edge a lot. Compare it it to modern day 2010 2020 x men comics with that stiff, bold lines and disgusting faces. Yeah I will take more liefeld thank you very much.

Doom was born in the same era, it all culminated in Matrix in the end.

Did you guys watch Sandy's reaction videos to Doom Eternal? He watched as his son played and did (sometimes quite autistic) commentary.

>>7200601
It was a more based time.

>>7200616
>"Sticky bombs? Sticky bombs sounds disgusting, I would've never called something Sticky bombs"

>>7200616
Yeah, kind of interesting how he called the demi-god angle of Doomguy as blasphemous. Makes sense since he's a staunch Mormon, though.

>>7200601
I'd rather go with other big name 90s artists like Jim Lee or Todd Mcfarlane. They're much better and more influential on the 90s artstyles. Able to maintain the over the top extremeness full of life and motion.

>>7200636
Sort of weird though considering he fucking created Call of Cthulu and he has always said he can seperate fiction and reality so stuff about evil or Satan or whatever doesn't offend him

>tfw prefer Romero's maps to McGee's in Doom 2, but prefer McGee's maps to Romero's in Quake

>>7200652
McGee is overrated as fuck in my opinion. No clue how that faggot got any kind of attention.

>>7200658
He's definitely overrated in regards to Doom. Inmost Dens is the only map of his I actually like. I will never understand what people see in Hell Beneath, and his early levels in Doom 2 are such a bore.

>>7200691
Alice is also shit.

>>7200064
>he thinks Doom 2016/Eternal are canon
sad

>>7200640

You are actually correct, but I am not familiar with spawn, it strangely never caught on here.

I saw the shitty movie however.

>>7200710
According to the people who own and decide said canon, they are.

>>7199957

>>7200719
I have Spawn tattoo on my back based off this

I've never seen anyone say quake is hard, but it's kicking my ass.
I'm playing on the second to lowest difficulty and episode 2 has been tough. Mostly the one level with the bridge that shoots spikes all the time and then a shambler spawns with no cover. But other areas have been difficult too.
I played plenty of Doom, Blood, Duke. Why am I so bad?

Email Sandy and shit on him for making Downtown

>>7199746
no, caco cum. has a better ring to it, too

>>7200736
Quake loves to throw bullshit at the player. it has shitty enemy placement and shitty traps, and then hands out a shit ton of HP supplies because they know they shit was bullshit. It's their way to put the player on edge and it sucks.

Play the add-ons, they're better in that regard.

>>7200736
Quake can get pretty nasty at times. One moment that stuck out to me during my first playthough was a trap that shot nails from the floor in a narrow hallway while also sandwiching you in between two death knights.

>>7200616
He thought Eternal had too many "gamey" things like skills and upgrades because their Doom "was just you fighting the monsters, you didn't waste time in menus with gamey things"

>>7200760
what does he think of the 1-ups?

>>7200760
And he was right.

>>7200748
I thought we already established that FIREBLU is caco cum, like, million threads ago?

>>7200760
Its very reasonable to think its gamey. It has fucking 1upos floating around for fucks sake.

>>7200736
I always felt Quake upped the amount of environmental hazards and obstacles compared to most mid-90's era FPSs.

>>7200770
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBazOs7BoLM
BING BING WAHOO ITSA ME RIP AND TEAR

>>7200769
shut the fuck up and drink caco cum

>>7200760
>>7200770
It's kinda funny that with the original Doom, id were trying to move away from the arcade elements that Wolf 3D had (like score). But modern id is doing the excact opposite, embracing arcade elements.

>>7200764
He didnt comment specifically on them, just all the gamey stuff. He also likes some things and says "id were sort of amateurs back then in alot of ways, Bethesda definitely is not."

You can watch here:
Part 1:
https://youtu.be/LlSb1esFt0A
Part 2:
https://youtu.be/nOmPpzQs7fY
Part 3:
https://youtu.be/E0HoCzYZ_zc

>>7200764
He does say when his son gets one "Oh, 1-up! You got a 1-up! Wait there are lives in this thing?"

>>7200779
Build at its pinnacle shits all over Quake in that regard

I cannot wait for Grezzo Due 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXW3a2RLp-g

>>7200832
Grezzo is memetrash

>Check Marathon's code
>Windows 9x code is complete lost material
>MPW files
>Written in Assembly
Dear God...

>>7200854
The Aleph One devs being tossy cunts makes a bit more sense given what they have to deal with

>>7200807
Games are stuck in a very conservative console frame in 2020.

The only ones trying something different are weir experiments like alyx or indie shit.

>>7200872
Marathon's canon gets so convoluted with Infinity that I stopped trying to make sense of it. All I know is that Marathon 3 would've continued Marathon 2's storyline but with Quake elements like medieval environments and more monster-looking enemies.

>>7200872
>GODDAMNIT DURANDAL

>>7200901
http://marathon.bungie.org/story/
It's a tome

>>7200872
There is really only one dev working on Aleph One. It is unreasonable to expect much more out of the engine, sadly.
>>7200901
I think Infinity makes a lot of sense if you arrive at the conclusion that the last branch of the game is also a dream sequence like the ones before, it just pretends that it isn't one. This makes sense considering that you fight the greyscale nightmare Pfhor on the second to last level

>>7200901
Marathon Infinity also has a secret level that was apparently Duality's prologue.

>>7200942
>>7200934
http://marathon.bungie.org/story/dream.html

Even the fuckoff big chart guy doesn't know it all.

>Basically it seems that Infinity takes place entirely in different timelines to
Marathon 2, and there is no indication of where they may connect with each other
besides the fact that we play Infinity after we play M2. That still leaves unexplained
how the M2 timeline apparently has a long non-W'rk'd-up future ahead of it when by
all accounts it shouldn't, and it also doesn't explain why whatever is sending us
around time and timelines would show us two alternate failed timelines before we
get to see the one we were already in fail. But that's what seems to happen, and
with no basis to think anything otherwise, I think that's all we're really got to
go on.

>>7199698
2048 Units of /vr/ guns version
map03 uv-fast in 3:02
https://files.catbox.moe/fg0ib4.zip
MBF / woof / prboom cl11

>>7200934
I fucking love this website

Blood's French Meat is a repulsive title and evokes mental images of a smelly obese Frenchman dipping his crusty cock and balls in Au Jus and pressing it between two pieces of bread and I refuse to play it.

>>7200992
wut

>>7200979
best part

>>7200992

>>7200992
I can't wait to see this posted every thread from here on out.

>>7200770
>>7200807
It's definitely the videogamiest it has ever been, I think that's a description Hugo would be totally on board with.
I like that they're mixing up the proportions of the formula with each game, I would be disappointed if they came out with a new one and it just felt like the previous one

>>7201015
In any case its a fucking garbage game. Hugo can suck a dick.

>>7201015
>I like that they're mixing up the proportions of the formula with each game, I would be disappointed if they came out with a new one and it just felt like the previous one
doom being a series about experimentation or innovation is why i don't think it'd be a bad thing if the next doom game was yet another reboot, even if that would be risky
because at the same time, i fear the new formula feels saturated, while also having some obstacles over potential or ideas that could fit doom but not this particular version

>>7201020
Hugo is based, eat shit

>>7201028
Too bad his basedness did not seep into Eternal then.

>>7201012
Go away no funposting allowed autist

>>7200457
I don't know if he has the twitch reflexes for Doom these days, he's a senior and he wasn't a skilled player even back in the 90s, by his own admission, so modern high level stuff won't be kind on him (hell, Alien Vendetta wouldn't, and it's almost two decades old). I think a much better idea is to ask him to look at and analyze footage and screenshots if you want his opinion on modern stuff.

>>7200992
>French Meat

>>7201038
That's the cock and ball sandwich

>>7199881
>>7199864
>>7199837
>>7199829
Who should I attribute the xmas map to? Just "anonymous" or do you go by any handle?

Where the FUCK is my Christmas special CIVVIE? Get your crippled ass to work, do I need to put rocket boosters on your wheelchair to get your to move your fucking ass?

>>7200064
>nu-iD
>Bethesda
>Zenimax
>forced Disney tier capeshit garbage where everything must be connected to everything so there can be EPIC CROSSOVER EVENTS
Doom 4 is an ok game, but it will never be canon to the old games. Never ever.

>>7201036
Things aren't funny when they're repeated en masse.

>>7201058
He is crippled?

Now I understand the self loathing try hard approach.

>>7201063
Shut up faggot, no one cares about your autistic triggers

>>7201063
it's literally a thing called humour of repitition

>>7201063
Not like it was funny to begin with

>>7201063
But anon, look, I said Doom was impossible to beat on UV- AGAIN! Isn't that so funny?

>>7201068
You cared enough to reply, nerd.

>>7201064
He's in a wheelchair, he can't walk.

>>7200723
>bunch of dudes who were in diapers when the original game was released
Nah.

>install Quake
>install Quake Injector
>have infinite content to play
>never have to buy a shitty modern game again
Bros, how is it this easy?

>>7201081
Quake isn't fun though

>WHY WON'T YOU LOVE OUR PRODUCT, SERF?!

>>7201084
It's lots of fun.

>>7201079
Hugo is older than me and I was 10 when it came out, try harder faggot

>>7201086
I would if Eternal was actually a decent attempt. But at least its more memorable than rage 2?

I dont know.

>>7201079
You know people DO eventually get old and die right anon? Someone has to carry the torch forward at some point. None of the original guys are even there anymore and left long before Doom 4 or Eternal except Kevin Cloud

>>7201093
>new bad old good
Sad.

>>7201093
it left its impact on classic doom mods
even reelism 2 has eternal content on it
in fact, there's probably more doom mods based off the reboot titles than doom 3

>>7201098
Yes.
Its sad I know. Even arkane had better attempt at at least trying make LGS type games on consoles.

Eternal is just meh.

>>7201098
Don't be a zealot, anon. Eternal was enjoyable enough but it still had a lot of stupid shit too, it's an overtuned Doom 4 mod where they just stacked more shit on top of what they had for 4. The inclusion of dashes was a good call but the blood punch, melee nerfs and chainsaw system are fucking stupid, along with the super low ammo counts. I get they're touting that "combat chess" like a bunch of fart huffers but it's more like combat rock paper scissors.
4 has better combat even if it's easier to break.

>>7200992
This wasn't that funny last thread and it isn't at all now. Just discuss FPSes in good faith you stupid fucking troll.

>>7201105
Sad that you're an old good new bad retard, Eternal is fucking based and is a love letter to Doom II. Maybe if you fags plays it instead of just watching gameplay videos and shitting on it for retarded shit like being "too gamey" when there are invisibility powerups and fucking health potions on the ground in the old games

>>7201109
It's a factual observation, what you find funny is irrelevant, cry harder.

>>7201107
Honestly the game does not bother me even with its stupid demon designs.

What I truly loathe are the fucking light flashes everywhere when shooting enemies. Its so fucking cluttered whit garbage but that is a problem with modern games.

>>7201114
I played it anon. Its still mediocre.

>>7201048
I am "punch you in the face man".

>>7201116
>factual observation
Then it's a fact that you and other people who repost it are into French food NTR.

>>7201116
It's a factual observation that your warped mind calls up an image that is tangentially related to the title of the mod at best? Fuck off, that isn't discussion of the game and it isn't good faith. We're here to discuss shooters, not your stupid hangups and fetishes.

Let's all just cool our jets here gentlemen, there is one thing we can all agree on: Powerslave is fucking based and you aren't a real FPS fan if you haven't played both versions.

>>7201121
It's factual in that the name was created to conjure such digusting images due to some bizarre fetish by it's creator

>>7201123
Honestly I find the level design very boring. Music is fucking good however.

>>7201119
Go back to Cringeworld tranny

>>7201107
CEREBRAL
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did alf really call doomkid a fat faggot? the thread was gone by the time i got to see it

>>7201135
Embarrassing.

>>7201135
Yeah exactly. It's all just marketing bullshit. It aggravates me because there's some good ideas in Eternal, the shoulder launcher for subweapons means you can use them without needing interrupt weapon animations, and I like the ice bombs. But normal grenades take a back seat, and the flamethrower is purely an "gibe armor" button as opposed to what could be a useful DoT effect, I think it does do damage but it's so minor that it's negligible.
Why the fuck is there a swap grenade button when there's only two grenade types?

>>7200979
http://marathon.bungie.org/story/Marathon4/Marathon4.html
Never forget Marathon Dr'Ate'R

>>7201148
for me, eternal seems to have been "designed by committee"; many different designers made different things, and then at the end their efforts were all pooled. that explains why there are so many incompatible things.

also it makes me sad there's no monster that makes you say "oh shit" quite the way the doom2 archvile does, but i guess i should treat the doom2 archvile as a truly special event in gaming..

is rekkr worth playing right now or should i wait for the commercial release?

>>7199948
PESTIS CRUENTO VILOMAXUS, PRETIACRUENTO *slow chanting* *thunder noises*

>>7201159
Yes it's worth playing.

>>7201137
A troon and fat fuck

>>7201159
>DID SOMEONE SAY REKKR?

>>7199812
Speaking of GOG; does anyone have a link to the GOG version of Mortal Kombat 4? It's banned from sale in my country. GOG won't let me add it to cart.

>>7201157
>also it makes me sad there's no monster that makes you say "oh shit" quite the way the doom2 archvile does, but i guess i should treat the doom2 archvile as a truly special event in gaming..
the marauder was supposed to be that but he still looks like a weird mismatch of different ideas because they couldn't do a proper "vergil for doomguy" type of thing

>>7201167
Looks pretty embarrassing for Alf.
Apparently the admins are tossing around his doxx now.

Has there been a better multiplayer experience since? Nope

>>7201153
>That 3D architecture with 2D sprites
Too much soul for this world

>>7201184
>dox for that
Those people need to be beaten with sacks full of doorknobs

>>7200636
I'm pretty sure he's not staunch since he worked on doom and cthulhu/tabletop rpgs in general.
Calling something blasphemous when you're a person of faith isn't exactly a signifier of that.

>>7201196
The staircases and overhangs I assume?

>>7201201
Good luck w that.

>>7201159
How do you commercially release a Doom mod?

>>7201184
Lol let them, they won't find much.

>>7200736
If you get a feel for your environment and where the traps are it is amazing to have fights inside those areas and avoid all damage.

>>7201201
>going onto a non-anonymous forum in order to do the equivalent of shooting your dick off in water with sharks
stupid

>>7201184
Nice to know the admins abuse their access to peoples info like that. Glad I never joined.

to be fair, doomkid makes some fun wads and interesting videos
even if they're kinda dumb for giving alf the time of the day, he can still something cool, even if he isn't decino

>>7201148
Eternal's (and 2016's to a lesser degree) "this button makes ammo, this button makes armor, this button makes health" design is autistic and gamey on a level I can't really explain.

>>7201270
It's like a dmc type game gone bad.

>>7199864
>mediafire

>>7201281
>>7201270
ultrakill is a better new-doom than nu doom

>>7201290
entropy

>>7200974
Nice. I've tried playing some of the maps with fast monsters and the turbo-pinkies would usually end up ruining my attempts.

>>7199698

>>7201303
Ultrakill looks cool I have yet to try it.

>>7201098
More like
>New ok, I guess, but it's nowhere as cool as Old

>>7199698
How about considereing replacing the pastebin with either Zerobin, Wattpad, privatebin or rentry.co?

>>7201336
It wouldn't be a bad idea

>>7201238
No alf they are going to dox you on their tranny Discord server you have to be afraid!!

>>7201342
ples rospond.

>>7199935
Pretty based

>>7201336
Is pastebin no longer in-vogue?

>>7201353
I'm a normal guy with a wife and kids and a normal job, I just don't like Half-Life and like to shitpost. Not sure what doxing me would do but maybe make them sad they are forever alones. All this seething just because I insulted their resident Z List celebrity.

>>7201336
what was the other site someone recommended?
rentry dot co or something?

>>7200736
Just back up what's the deal.

>>7201371
doubtful they can actually dox you

anyway more reason to stay away from cringeworld

given that ribbiks doesn't go any more and many of my favorites are banned, i don't go there much any more...

Playthrough video of map02 of 2048 units of /vr/ is up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_R2XBqh0sM

>>7201430
Actually saw this one in my recommended before you got to post it. Cheers Eggplant

>>7201430
>the map title sticks around in your status bar if you open the automap
Damn.

See you starside.

>>7201434
Oh, neat. I didn't know my videos get recommended to anyone.
>>7201442
So that's what was happening. I was confused about the letters in the HUD.

>>7201430
the music sounds pretty low.

>>7201450
Yeah, guess that's a side effect when you play in 4:3. Whoops.

>>7201408
it's pretty crazy they dox people over there now though, dw has been around for a very long time, never thought id see them stoop this low

>>7201490
Never underestimate the wrath of trannies. They run dw now

>>7201467
It's a map-dependant thing. Some midis are loud, some midis are quiet. I usually try to account for that.

and her BIG ASS in that sundress don't worry I'm working on those requests just wanted to let you guys know the Martyr has a BIG ASS and almost entirely bottomless and we need more doom mod protagonists like her.

>>7201516
Nice

>>7201490
if that is true, remember that when they complain about something something 1984 or them being oppressed by a major evil
they just want to be the boot on someone's neck

Doomworld admin here, we don't have Alf's dox/are not doxing him but it what he said to Doomkid was completely uncalled for.

>>7201618
completely btfo him you mean
get on our level of bants

>>7201618
TImestamp and pics please.

I don't know about all that but CRUDUX MOTHERFUCKING CRUO

Still trying to get a hold of controls, and getting owned in 'im too young to die' in brutaldoom, but it's very fun.
How does one best manage having multiple weapons at the same slot? I wanna go fast but running and gunning and switching to sth i didn't want to only very slowly reload or not have ammo and die is annoying.

Also, is there akin to an areana mode rather than the normal story??

>>7201516

who is this semen demon

so any good xmas themed releases?

>>7201695
MC from The Citadel. Game kinda plays like a mix between Wolfenstein and Marathon

>>7201714
A Very Punch You In The Face Man Christmas

>>7201719
Somebody a few threads ago recommended Fruit Salad by Grain of Salt, it's slaughtermaps but they're on the easier side and they look great, the Christmas theme is pretty loose though.

>>7201804
Meant for
>>7201714

>>7201184
What dox? You sign up with an e-mail address, just like anywhere else, there's nothing that stops you from making a throw away one to use for forums.
Unless you personally message the admins in question and provide them with the information yourself, they won't know who you are more than what you post on the forum. Don't be a fucking retarded faggot.

>>7201235
By replacing every asset in the game and using a gpl port to release it on

>>7201625
Your kind of "bantz" is just you guys being racist and transphobic bigots because you never have to answer for it, being anonymous cowards at all. We don't want you there.

>>7201714
H2H-Xmas
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/themes/xmas/h2h-xmas
DBP07: The Merry Christmassy Doom Project
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/themes/xmas/dbp7xmas
The Joy of Mapping 5: Winter Weekend
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/joymaps5
>>7201719

>>7201856
Why does the gun sprite change between pics?

Play Rise of the Triad you fucking mooks, the first FPS with jump pads.

>>7201871
boring wolf clone, remake is a little better though

>>7201109
On one hand its not funny. On the other hand you getting this mad at it is kinda funny.

>>7201856
huh, where's that xmas nightmare one with the boo lost souls and simpsons memes. That's a true classic.

>>7201891
Clone? Really?
ROTT had many features later picked up by the BUILD engine: Bullet hole marks in walls, destroyable objects (Tables, lights, etc), breakable glass, thumbnail pictures in the saved games, and adjustable, password-protected violence settings. It was the first "clone" that a had look up \ look down ability.

The engine could handle pretty big levels too: up to sixteen stories high and an area of one million sq. feet.

ROTT also had things the BUILD games didn't have like parallaxing skies, fog, boulders, real lights that illuminate walls (that you can shoot to make the room get darker), ricocheting bullets, touchplates, and gas grates. If you didn't have a gas mask, you were toast. It also had a 180 turn key.

ROTT was the first game that let you fall off ledges and die. If you weren't careful jumping around you could fly off the edge of a cliff. And of course, there where the famous jumpads. They where like mini-trampolines that hurtled you 5 stories in the air. Once in the air you could maneuver yourself around and do all sorts of weird stuff. Aerial battles often got pretty crazy. Jump pads were used to jump over obstacles, walls, other players, to get weapons and items… they're all over (and yes, enemies could use them).

>>7201128
In which version? The level design style is a bit different in the console version compared to DOS.

>>7201897
Never played it.

>>7201891
>boring wolf clone

>>7201897
X-Mas Nightmare.
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/themes/xmas/xmas

>>7201850
Ahahahahahha dilate cringeworld tranny

>>7201913
that's a really really old unfinished version, currently only finding it on youtube vids and I don't want to shill anyone or post sketchy links.

>>7201371
lmao its so easy to scare you

>>7201898
You can gib an enemy who is in midair with the heatseeker and his pieces rain down from the sky, it's pretty cool

>>7201850
> being anonymous cowards at all

>>7201948
I'm not scared, that was literally the point of the post. Let them post my shit on their front page.

>>7201850
Get the fuck off my board fag. Go outside for once

>>7201962
You have kids right?

>>7201961
heh, i bet you worry about human rights too

>>7201850
Answering for it means getting banned anyway. Which puts us back at square one.

>>7201967
Yeah so?

>>7201968

>>7201967
>implying anyone is going to come after kids for this stupid shit

>>7199698
gimme some christmas doom wads, i already played the ones from 2018 and 2019.

>>7201978
Of course not.

>>7201978
Oh no, they'll send TroonKid to rape my children!

>>7201987
>>7201978
Alf take you meds

*deafens you with crushers*

>>7201978
Skia Jackson not only doxxed children, but was celebrated as a brave and virtuous person doing so by news outlets. Yes, she is an adult despite how young she looks, and was an adult when she did so. It was scummy as fuck and doxxing kids is probably illegal, but that doesn't matter anyways because she is a famous ~*~Woman of Color~*~ so nothing happened to her.

>>7201998
now i see a face with green eyes in that texture

>>7202005
>Literally who

>>7201992
I-I'm out of my meds! I can't stop the voices now, Half-Life is just.. Argh so shit... I can't take it ugghhahh

>>7202009
Some nigger being ushered in to stardom and activism by the Hollywood machine. I have no idea what she's famous for either.

>>7202005
Based

>>7202005
Yeah, but we're talking about doom community literally who's. No one is going to care.

what's the short explanation of this drama everyone is talking about?

>>7202005
reminds me of when reddit tried to get the boston bomber before the bombing happened and not only got the wrong guy, said wrong guy later killed himself
i think that is where the "we did it reddit" meme comes from
but hey, at least it's not the government, right?

>>7201371
Alf confirmed for pederast

>>7202036
Someone's buttpained and wants to annoy us and Doomworld at the same time, under the pretense of doing it for the lulz and bantz

>>7202023
Ahhhh ahhh I'm gonna... I'M GONNA COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

>>7201898
No one cares how many features it has, the game still sucks dick.

>>7202047
Why

the virgin Doomworld vs the Chad Life

https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1340794861050605568

>>7202036
Alf went to Doomworld to so his Golden Age of FPS schtick, alot of people actually agreed with him, then Doomkid said something he didn't like so he called him a tranny and a fat fuck and got instantly banned, now DW is seething and trying to dox him

>>7202036
Doomkid, a user from Doomworld, recently unveiled he'd been undergoing HRT and was transitioning in to a woman. Long hair, insistence on "she/her," so on and so forth. Most Doomworld users were tripping over themselves to congratulate him, while every rational human being showed concern for himself fucking up his hormones like that and looking like an ass because he doesn't pass at all. Those people got banned, of course. So now we're laughing at Doomtranny and Doomworld faggotry.

>>7202056
>alot of people actually agreed with him
lol that didn't happen

>>7201891
Silence

>>7202036
This. >>7202039
Alf thought /vr/ would be proud of him for having a temper tantrum on doomwurld, exposed himself in the process and is trying to laugh it off.

admit it you embarrased yourself and now you are damage controlling.

>>7201516
This game sucks immensely. Gore fetish, poor map design, abysmal speed despite running on UE.
Indie junk.

>>7202057
This. It's just unstable tranny faggots being unstable tranny faggots

>>7201716
aka like shit
A lot of devs make better free games

>>7202057
All you can do as a sane person is to avoid those people at all costs.

>>7202057
Kek holy shit I spit my drink a little 10/10

>>7202057
Is this just more bullshit you made up?

>>7202058
They were eating his bait up and seriously discussing it, someone archive.is'd it

guys, this is a retro FPS thread

>>7202061
Eat shit faggot I didn't do anything for you and achieved what I went there to do.

>>7202091
They don't care.

>>7202070
>>7202057
This is so strange, why make shit up about Adam like that. Are you closeted? Suffering from Dysphoria and lashing out because the only escape from the truth is being embraced by people who remind you of how you really feel on the inside? I get it, you got kids and a wife, maybe you're worried they will reject you. You probably shouldn't live like this though, Alf.

>>7202087
That doesn't mean they agreed with him.

>>7202092
Embarass yourself? Yeah.

>>7202087
Damn, people on a board taking each other seriously and considering other viewpoints.

Imagine being this mindbroken over a 22 year old game.

what are the stand outs of the quake XMAS jam 2020?

>>7202091
I need comfy drama (you)s
If you don't like it then get off MY BOARD

>>7202092
and now he's mad.

>>7202091
They don't care man. Go play Doom and whatever mods you want. Go make some maps, join the map projects here, but the thread itself is just a bin for shitposting.

>>7202109
Do this on /b/ /pol/ or /bant/ please

>>7202057

>>7202102
No, shitpost. And maybe shit on someones head along the way, and I achieved both.

>>7202092

>>7202094
you seem to hit a nerve there

>>7202123
Hug your children.

This guy is a bigger attention whore than Marisa.

>>7202123
Naw, looks like you embarrassed yourself here and over there. Try DoomerBoards next.

>>7201850
niggerniggernigger

Looks like HLchads won.

>>7202130
Yeah because you idiots keep giving him the attention he wants. He cannot stop winning.

>>7202138
Whining*

>>7202124
You're braindamaged if think I have any end game other than my own entertainment. Keep in mind this doesn't mean Half-Life isn't shit, it is.

>>7201850
joggerjoggerjoggertranny

>>7202140
You can call him a whiner, you can say he came her to lick his wounds, it doesn't matter. He wants attention, and you're giving it to him. If you gave a fuck, you'd report the post and hide and talk about retro shooters, but you'd rather give him more attention. You cannot stop sucking his dick, and I haven't the faintest idea why.

>>7202138
Hes literally spamming the board with his le-epic screenshots. 99% of the time nobody responds. Either everyone agrees to report posts of doomworld screenshots or we'll have to live with endless trolling.

>>7202147
Give it a rest, everyone knows you're on full damage control right now. Did you sign a prenup?

>>7202147

>>7202154
>Hes literally spamming the board with his le-epic screenshots.
So report and hide the post. I cannot believe a young man is so incapable of mustering up the will to simply NOT reply on a fucking imageboard.
>Either everyone agrees to report posts of doomworld screenshots or we'll have to live with endless trolling.
You act as if this is an impossible task. You deserve every bit of thread shitting for your fucking inability to care.
>>7202156
Case in point. Done with you turds.

Bet this nigger doesn't even play fps.

>thread derailed by off-site tranny bullshit
Sure is Doom in here, guys.

Cringeworld trannys can stay mad

Too much copium ITT.

>>7201905
Console one. Never tried the dos one.

The metroidvania is nice on the console version but the levle design is a bit...

Lets just say its not duke, blood or SW.

And its a shame I bet build engine could ahve really nice egptyan temples, more complex geometry columns etc.

>>7202137
>game so popular then it completely changes the fps landscape more than doom or quake ever did
>unable to be topped by any of the clones until it's sequel that changes the fps landscape again.
>so beloved that the fans themselves remake the entire original game for free to modern standards while keeping the classic gameplay intact. project was so good valve hired most of the mod staff to work for them.
>hl3 is still probably on of the the most wished for games currently out there, despite valve not caring at all

unless you are hiding under a rock pretending it's still 1995 or some kind of "man yells at cloud" type person, you cannot deny that HLchads have been non-stop winning since 1999.

>>7199698

Man this is crazy. This was one of the few tabs on my granddad's computer when he died. We never talked much since we didn't share (or at least so I thought) any hobbies or interests, and as much as I loved him and wanted to talk to him, I just didn't know how to even start a conversation being a fucking shy NEET and I guess he thought I didn't like him. And now it turns out he's been playing Doom just like me. I now want to beat the original two games on the highest possible difficulty in his memory, but do you guys think it's possible to beat Doom on Ultra-Violent?

>>7199703
Hey it's been a long while since I made a level so I decided a couple of weeks ago to make one. Made an Episode 1 style level and I hope you like it. If there is any errors or what not I apologize for it. Thanks and I hope you like it.

https://mega.nz/file/HmBkGL4b#Te6-OIBjTzLuJkiNG9JOc9gXdvBEt_V2UyOTPwwaqd8

>>7202228
Also forgot to mention this is vanilla compatible so if you like chocolate, crispy, whatever doom it should work. Only really tested for UV as well. Thanks again.

Who is the most chad Doom streamer, and why is it BridgeBurner?
>streams for 10 hours on the regular
>metal music always playing
>jacked and aesthetic as fuck
>got his homies on voice chat
>makes maps so detailed you can't even run them

>>7202228
Sweet, I'll play this tomorrow. I'm (very slowly) making a Knee Deep episode right now so this might serve as inspiration.

Who is the most chad Doom youtuber, and why is it MtPain27?
>uploads videos regularly
>videos are well edited
>shows off the music
>not afraid to state his opinions even if they are controversial

>>7202245
>>7202252

>>7202202
The DOS version is Build. And the level design is fairly more complex. But it doesnt have the metroidvania progression.

>>7202156
>>7202159
What do you tards actually think I went there to accomplish? Shitposting is my game, I literally used my copypasta from here. Do you think I legitimately wanted to bring them around to my thinking? What exactly is it you think I set out to do that I failed at and am now in damage control for? Has ANYONE ever agreed with me? You fucking rubes are clueless.

>>7202228
Great stuff, anon, I liked how asymmetrical this map was. I wish the exit used an actual switch texture instead of just being the lift though, because I wanted to find more secrets.

>>7202284
First off thank you for actually playing it and makes all the time I spent on it worth it. Well the reason why I left it like that was because I wanted e1m2 to start with you going up the lift. Thank you for playing it.

>>7201891
When criticizing Rise of the Triad it's important to remember that it was limited by its technology. Doom could have it's unique level design because of Carmack's tech allowing id to use diagonal walls. RoTT tech was upgraded Wolfenstein engine, so it could still only handle right angles, even if walls could have different heights.

However, looking at it in perspective, it was super ahead of its time. It has huge emphasis on hitscan weapons and enemies, which is exactly how FPS genre has evolved, and how 90% of modern FPS games are like. It was the first FPS game to feature guns akimbo, which is now a staple feature in most FPSes. It limits you to 2 weapons, which was ridiculously ahead of its time, and is true of most modern shooters.
It de-emphasizes ammo management, just like in most modern shooters where you rarely have to worry about running out of ammo. It had more focus on story and actual cutscenes, unlike Doom.

Rise of the Triad was the way of the future.

Oh, and it has MUCH better boss fights than Doom. Doom bosses fucking suck, and I say this as a fan of Doom.

>>7202075
>>7202065
Your natural hair and your soft skin, and your big ass in that sundress

>>7202304
she's violently and graphically dismembered hundreds...

>>7202290
It's actually fucking dogshit