/vr/ - Retro Games

Stop thinking of it as a gaming system. It's a great computer that could do some really good audio and video edit work.
People who cling to its video games are simply people who didn't have access to anything else at the time.

>>7173569
Every flight simulator, every point and click game, every racing simulator, every god game

there that was easy

Virtually every Amiga port was superior to consoles

>>7174110
by "virtually" you mean "strongly disregard any port of japanese games", right?

Settlers. Pirates. UFO Enemy Unknown. Hunter. Frontier: Elite 2. Dune 2. Ishar 2: Messengers of Doom. All excellent RPGs with a level of gameplay depth way ahead of what the shit SNES was doing at the time. Another World. Flashback. Both far superior to the shit SNES versions. Turrican 3, far superior to either of the shit SNES Turrican games. BC Kid, far better than the shit SNES Bonk games which were plagued with nauseating slowdown. Lotus Turbo Challenge 2, Jaguar XJ220, both far smoother than the SNES Top Gear games, and far better than those lifeless and flat "mode 7" games the SNES churned out.
The Amiga couldn't just keep up, it completely curbstomped the shit SNES.
Pic related, nintendrones being BTFO on the much superior Amiga.

>>7174146
>persistent amiga fanboy
>can't help but let everyone see his anti-nintendro vitriol pouring out of his every holes
australia?

>>7174154
Nintendrones have no retort. Face it, the fact that others were able to grow up with something so much better than the SNES upsets you. It's a shame, there were so many better options to pick from out there, you could have gone for the Mega Drive, but instead you're were stuck with the shit SNES and are desperately attempting to post-facto justify it. Sad.

>>7174175
>>7174146
Is this the same guy that keeps making the anti-RE4 threads?

>>7174175
>blatantly tries to steer the thread toward SNES vs MD because he knows an Amiga thread just can't survive without people making fun of its abominable japanese games ports like Castlevania
Face it australia, you grew up with really bad games and resent people who had Nintendo. Nintendo is part of your life, even if only to hate on them. Accept that fact and move on, just hate in silence, you externalize way too much.
As for SNES and Mega Drive, luckily I had both :) also an IBM clone, so I could play Doom, unlike Amigaboys ;)

>>7174179
Highly possible. He's one of the worst shitposters on /vr/. By worst I mean low IQ, repetitive and boring.

Frontier: elite 2

>>7174146
>mostly inferior PC ports

Far better AI and physics than SNES run & gun games. Beautiful animations with far more frames than SNES games. No slowdowns, unlike SNES games.

Our computer was actually able to handle this game, unlike the shit SNES. What Aladdin game did you get, nintendrones?

>>7174210
Is that a shit port of the PC/Megadrive version?

Wow, such a shame your much more expensive and several years newer SNES can't handle physics like an Amiga.

This killed the Amiga
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjYQeMExIwk

You want a laugh, look at how much the shit SNES gets stomped out by the Amiga with Worms. The SNES version is legitimately half the speed, with less layers of parallax. Pitiful.

>>7174141
Most Japanese games were better on the Amiga too. The hardware was just vastly superior.

Speaking of legitimately half the speed, how pathetically slow is the SNES version of this game? I guess when your CPU is 3 times slower, despite being in a console 4 years newer, it just can't keep up with these kinds of processor-intensive games. Nevermind the far better interface on the Amiga compared to that clunky controller interface.

Remember when nintendrones went nuts because they were finally able to cheat into doing this effect from a stock Amiga, using an expensive Super FX chip? I remember.

>>7174206
>>7174210
>>7174219
>>7174226
>>7174238
>>7174251
Nice, the SNES really does live rent free inside of you.
>>7174216
Yes but like the PC version, it has a cropped screen. Not worth playing.

>>7174206
>Far better AI and physics than SNES run & gun games
kek, imagine actually believing this bullshit.

>>7174219
>SNES
>expensive

>>7174257
>the SNES really does live rent free inside of you
Anon, just how many "oi me speccy/amiga is poopy lol" meme threads were made, especially after the rule change, and how many likes of them were about Nintendo? Who's living rent free where?

>>7173569
>Pro-tip, you can't
Kill yourself, you worthless spastic cunt. A fucking thread died for this profound retardation.

>>7174210
>The SNES having an entirely different game equates to its inferior processor

>>7174394
The whole speccyposting started because of a Famicom thread. Nintendo lives rent free inside of the head of at least 1 speccyposter, that's for sure.

>>7173573

"Really good video edit work" was only true if you had a video toaster, for everything else you already had equivalents for DOS by 1993-94. Deluxepaint came out for DOS as early as 1988, though i doubt many used VGA cards with it. The Amiga was top machine for only a very brief period between 89-92 really.

>>7175064
>The Amiga was top machine for only a very brief period between 89-92 really.

More like 85-92.

What, you want music AND sound lol. Better get a console for that kind of thing kid.

>>7175089

You can say 85, but really there was no software at the time, and very few people bought the A1000. It was only after the 500 and 2000 came out in 87 that things got going.

>>7175121
If you get an SNES, you can enjoy the experience of losing your hearing, or perhaps being suffocated under a pillow. Imagine thinking 32 khz of echo trumpets is good.

>>7175131
Sure the hardware is inferior, but you can't deny there are some incredible songs made on the SNES soundcard by talented composers, pic related

>>7175131
>>7175149
Plok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTSW4M28XQg

>>7175159
>>7175149
Get this nintendrone shit out of here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSxYDwQd9s0

>>7175161
>virgin Paula vs chad Soundblaster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spxobJhmNM4

>>7175204
>software mixing
It's not that it isn't superior, it's that it's boring. Making outstanding music within the restrictions of the hardware on hand is what makes it cool. In a similar fashion, most Amiga trackers are much the same. Dedicating all of the CPU resources to audio work is cheating.

>>7175251
Most Amiga music is .mod format, which is ProTracker, which is lightweight enough to be used in a game.

>>7174146
As someone who has played all the Flashback versions I would have to say no. Half the animations aren't in the game and the music is bad in comparison to other platforms.

There really wasn't anything else like Uridium 2 at the time. Thinking about it, there still isn't.

>>7175159
Christ, what ancient ZSNES did that guy use to emulate that? Try this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLdvmsKx5kQ

>>7175251

As if OctaMED doesn't do software mixing... But you are right about the restrictions and getting the most out of them. I'm a bit annoyed that there are very few instances of artists taking advantage of both the sampled audio and the FM available on soundblaster cards. AFAIK only Screamtracker 3 had this functionality and there's barely any music that uses it.

>>7175395
Is there anything that actually makes interesting use of OPL2/3? I mean, sure there's good music out there, but the popular games all just use the OPL chip as a MIDI playback device with approximations of Roland instruments. What I want is stuff that you would have heard on the MegaDrive or C64 or whatever where it's entirely divorced from the MIDI keyboard they used to compose the melody and by necessity is outlandish synth work.

>>7174206
isnt this game on Genesis with better music?
Also MEGA TURRICAN is still the best Amiga style euro run and gun which is also Genesis/Master System

>>7175425

There is AdlibTracker2 that lets you use even the 4-operator mode in the OPL3 for instruments, but it's relatively "new" software so i'm not sure how big the scene for it is. Gamedevs using the chip to its bare minimum back in the day as a basic MIDI device for the sake of compatibility is really why nobody considers it to be anything special.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5knetge5Gs0

>>7175442
And one more:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwtqbwDjoqM

>>7175428
Ruff 'n Tumble is an Amiga exclusive.

>>7174206
It looks nice, but something like gunstar heroes blows this away.

>>7175571
You're missing the point because you can't speak English. The question wasn't "name Amiga games better than Mega Drive games", it wasn't "compare Amiga games with PC games". It was "name Amiga games that are better than console games." The Amiga might not have the Mega Drive beaten, but it sure as hell has the shit SNES completely beaten. Ruff 'n Tumble is better than any SNES run and gun by a mile.

>>7174205
AGA versions had the same 256 color graphics but superior sound compared to adlib midi.

>>7173569
Brutal Sports Football

can someone explain this weird SNES vs Amiga rivalry? Is this a real thing or just 1 guy?

>>7173569
Caesar II is one of them.
Caesar I is ass though.

>>7177327
There is no rivalry. Amiga was the greatest game platform at the time. Better in every way except price.

huh ok.
I just thought it's strange how at least 1 guy ITT seems to be in a very heated rivalry against SNES.
I know the classic rivalry was Mega Drive and SNES, not Amiga and SNES.
Isn't the AMIGA rival the IBM?

>>7177396
Atari St was a rival.

Let's not forget this Amiga exclusive bros

>>7173569
depends what you mean. the nature of every eurocomputer is incredible graphics and tech demos in comparison to what their hardware was what designed to do, but absolutely horrendous design and overall boring games. i think the only good games originating on a eurocomputer i've ever played are the turrican games.

>>7175064
Most people do think of the Amiga as a gaming system because it was better for gaming than pretty much all of its computer peers outside of the Atari ST. IBM/DOS PCs didn't really catch up to it until about 1991-92.

>>7178538
meant for >>7173573

>>7173569
Turrican 2

that's it. It's the only good amiga game

>>7178520
There is a DOS version
It is bad. The Amiga version is good

>>7175425
there's tyrian and a few korean games:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT6rCpGoXrA&t=12

Are there even any 50/60 FPS games on Amiga? Most of them look insanely choppy in YT videos.

>>7178538
How & why did IBM-compaible/DOS machines take off even though they were objectively the weakest yet most expensive microcomputers?

>>7178529
Amiga is American

>>7178817
Yeah but in 30 years I’ve never met someone who owned one or even knew someone who owned one. They sold way better in Europe for some reason.

>>7178814
The idea of the "home computer" fell out of popularity when more people needed work computers and nobody wanted to have 2 separate computers for their work and games. Eventually this problem was solved with stronger graphics hardware on IBM PCs and Doom pretty much popularized the idea of the "gaming PC" as we know it today.

>>7175425
Koreans basically had a demoscene for Ad-lib and it was used in Japanese arcade games, though I don’t like their sound.
Stephane Picq is the best composer for it and he even showed of the opl3.
https://youtu.be/gUfGyfbzl9k
My favourite is Fury of the Furries.
https://youtu.be/id2Xopndh4w

Most of them. The next iteration of consoles couldn’t match the Amiga 500 to begin with.

What is seldom considered in the history of video games is the time needed to learn to exploit the new resources available with each technological advance. Documentation on 16 bit development testifies to this.

For me, it's SuperCars II.
I absolutely loved that game, could never answer the questions correctly but I still kicked arse in the racing segment. I would love to play it again but don't know how.

>>7174203
Ironically, the best version of this was on Amiga CD32, which was a console.
>>7177396
>>7177590
ST was the closest rival, but it was part of Amiga culture to hate everything that wasn't Amiga. ST was a booger, PC was evil, consoles were for kids and Mac was just the worst!
>>7181884
Probably wouldn't live up to your memories.
Micro Machines, Skid Marks and ATR have all held up much better.

>>7182040
PC is fine. Consoles like the Mega Drive and PC Engine are fine. But nintendrones have zero qualifications to be talking shit about the Amiga when all they have to show for their side is the shit SNES.

>>7182757
The nintendrones that live rent free inside of your head probably aren't the ones attacking Amiga.
I'm a Sega fan mostly, and I love to make fun of british bullshit.

>>7184061
If you're a Sega fan, then you know precisely what I mean. You know just how shit the SNES actually is, and yet how it is continually put on a pedestal as though it is one of the "best consoles ever", much less any good whatsoever, and how your far superior Mega Drive is continually shoved to the sidelines in favor of the same handful of nintendrone favorites, the never ending deluge of Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, and so on. It is precisely the same situation with the Amiga, actually being far superior in terms of hardware and games, yet these nintendrones continually poke fun at it, an audacious move when their SNES is what they have to offer in retort, a sluggish, dull, lifeless console with nothing to offer but a disappointing library of overrated, horrendously flawed games.

>>7184189
>aaah! The nintendrones! The nintendrones!
Yes I'm a sega fan but not a pathetic microdick computer fag like you. Keep having nintendo rent free though.

>>7173569
I never likes playing games on my Amigas t b h. For me that platform was always about professional tools and creative stuff.

>>7184269
I think most sane people think this way.

>>7184269
>bitplanes and genlock
Yeah that's no gaming machine, them A1000-4000 were serious business.

>>7184238
We have more in common than you think. Enjoy being cucked by Nintendo's BBC though.

>>7184774
That's funny, I thought mutt's law only applied to mutts.
You have nothing in common with japanese developers like sega and nintendo, britcuck

>>7184785
>That's funny, I thought mutt's law only applied to mutts.
the mutts learned about it from the brits.

>>7173573
The Amiga did have some pretty great games though.

It was neither. It existed somewhere between a "serious" computer (how Commodore wanted to market it) and a gaming platform (how the general public perceived it)
There's no direct equivalent to it in the modern computing world, I guess that makes it hard for zoomers to even comprehend the cultural place it inhabited.

>>7185104
The general public also thought of it as a serious computer for work.
The "general public" you're thinking of is just people who didn't have access to consoles, and nowadays are like some sort of cult that praise the Amiga as the best gaming system ever made, but how big is that cult? 1000 members in the whole world?

>>7173573
This.
The hardware (roided out with expansion cards) was capable of amazing things for the time. Playing shitty ports of arcade games wasn't one of them.

>>7186101
it got a load of shitty arcade ports because they weren't made by competent professionals, they were made by 19 year olds working under huge time pressure without access to the arcade assets most of the time. And the fact that a lot of them were Atari ST copypaste.

Today I will remind them
https://youtu.be/-NjqNwHidpk?t=4

>>7184189
>If you're a Sega fan, then you know precisely what I mean. You know just how shit the SNES actually is
The SNES wasn't shit though. I don't know what's worse, being a bitch made fanboy or trying to appeal to other bitch made fanboys for support. Have a day off mate lol.

>>7186746
The guy you're replying to is OBSESSED with nintendo.

>>7184061
Don't take him seriously. Most brits who are in these fandoms like this stuff despite its flaws and aren't delusional about it.
This is precisely why I avoid the endless home computer threads. It's just people trying to bait out the same handful of 30-40yo turbo neets.
I'm convinced it's the same people who tried to 'scorched earth' the board when then rules were changed and can't go 2 posts without mentioning how old they are.

Sensi soccer. Just miles better than anything consoles for the next 3 years or so, and that's only because they finally ported it to MD

Also Champ manager.

>>7186806
>Most brits who are in these fandoms like this stuff despite its flaws and aren't delusional about it.

Like come on. I've seen enough Youtubers do Amiga and Spectrum videos where they're honest about the many horrendous games (especially arcade ports) on them.

>>7174175
I had a SNES and an Amiga. I liked the Amiga more, but if you think there was even the slightest fucking chance I'd turn it on in front of my friends then you have inverted social skills.
Amiga is like peeing sitting down, enjoy it once in a while during your alone time, but don't tell anyone.

>>7187342
I prefered the Amiga games on the consoles imo. Megolomania, Sensible soccer and utopia spring to mind.

>>7187542
You liked Amiga more because it was better. There are many other things that were also far better than the shit SNES, the Mega Drive, the PC Engine, the Neo Geo, the X68000. We need to stop maintaining this myth that Nintendo was ever good.

>>7187903
>We need to stop maintaining this myth that Nintendo was ever good.

>>7187903
>We need to stop maintaining this myth that Nintendo was ever good.
Based.
>>7187967
Sneed.

>>7188683
It's embarrassing when you try to use zoomer memes, old man.

>>7184305
how do videotoasters work? I mean, they aren't doing non-linear editing, are they?

>>7175428
super metroid pretty much perfected the turrican-style platform genre

>>7181884
>For me, it's SuperCars II.
>I absolutely loved that game, could never answer the questions correctly but I still kicked arse in the racing segment. I would love to play it again but don't know how.
https://jotd.pagesperso-orange.fr/supercars3/