/vr/ - Retro Games

OP here. This is the thread where I will permit you to talk about shmups. You will be ON TOPIC at all times. This thread is for GAMEPLAY only. If you care about MUH AESTHETICS you can hang out with all the queers on discord.

You may ask for strategies from me (don't ask for replays), you may solicit my opinions, even if I have not played the game.

>>7148828
Fuck off.

>>7148817
for me, it's Team Shanghai Alice

Does Dreamcast have the only console port of Tyrian?

Recommend me some coomer shmups

>>7148817
I'm actually making a shmup based on wild guns, but im always so self conscious on whether the shooting feels satisfying. Not that it matters much considering its a porn game but still, i want some fun

>>7148843
>its a porn game
kek based

>>7148828
Show me your 1CC replays fagit.

Also what shmup has the biggest tiddies? I can only really play tit-em-ups nowadays so some good suggestions would be appreciated.

CATCH THE HEATH: TAITO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnuEpWrB9qw

>>7148895
I don't know about biggest, but sengoku blade has some decent milkers

>>7148843
burunyanman no seriously it's great

>>7148895
>Show me your 1CC replays fagit.

You see gentlemen, this is what I mean. Why must I always be persecuted and second-guessed? I am a ~serious~ player but that doesn't mean I always have a replay on hand to prove my seriousness. I can direct you to my occasional streams in which I assure you, I have the skills to back up my talk, unlike the filthy dregs of posers that surround me at all times.

>begging for tit shmups
this just belabors my point, you wouldn't care about my serious play to begin with

>>7148921
>tiddies and skill are mutually exclusive
Anon, this is some seriously bad attempts at damage control. If you're too shit to 1CC anything just say so.

>>7148916
LETS GOOOO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqIP8jx96Q0

What are you favorite gimmicks in shmups?

>>7148842
According to the Wiki, it was never released on anything but PC. There's an open source engine for it which is probably how you played it.

Been playing Parodius on my famicom; there's quite a bit of slowdown at times but it's a lot of fun.

>>7149664
These things.

>>7149664
I like shoot 'em ups that make getting your power back after dying feel almost like a puzzle rather than a game-ending punishment

>>7148817
WHO CAME UP WITH THE PENALTY AREA IN IMAGE FIGHT? SWEET BABY RAYS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>7149664
Hardware slowdowns instead of good programming.

>>7149780
>hardware slowdowns
r-type stage 7

>>7149664
whip thing in X-MULTIPLY

What's the best way to play Metal Slug?

>>7149780
says the guy who can't program to save his life

What are your favorite Mega Drive vertical shmups?

>>7149976
the first metal slug? you can emulate the neo geo cd or sega saturn version i guess. it has a mode that was exclusive to the consoles called combat school, it had fun extra objectives and stuff

>>7149986
i thought he was talking about portions in the game where they purposely slow the game down by loading the screen full of enemies, i replied with r-type stage 7 because there 's a large wave of butterfly fighters they want you to swim through and it's reproduced faithfully in MAME. when i played it on a real cabinet afterwards i was convinced this was 100 percent intentional. if you can do this without any powerups from checkpoint you're GRADE A PREMIUM BEEF in my book

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHsgEl3ul8U

>>7148842
there's a wii one.

>>7149986
post github big boi

>>7149987
twinkle tale

>>7150054
None of my games are open sourced, but you're free to post yours since you are the master programmer here.

>>7150180
he called your bluff mate, it's not his programming that was called into question. let's see that cock bucko

>>7150197
No, it was the programming of every old school Japanese developer. He can put up or shut up.

>>7149664
The DBZ laser struggles in metal black and border down

What the fuck happened in ceecord? There was like a mass banning spree once someone posted those pics of gus' girlfriend

What are some good shmups for beginners to play for survival? Looking for games that can teach you the basic skills that you can carry over to other harder games in the future. So basically things that will teach you micro/macro dodging, good/no bomb usage and like point blanking. Preferably games that don't need heavy memorization where you are building up muscle memory/reaction time instead of just hammering a particular stage layout into your head. Slow to medium bullet speed would be best.

>>7150971
Unironically Ikaruga

>>7150981
Wouldn't the polarity system be kind of overwhelming for a beginner though? It kind of adds another layer on top of the gameplay of a lot of other shmups.

>>7150983
The polarity concept is very simple and it's a great game to work on micro/macro dodging. Once he gits gud he can work on chains too.

>>7150995
Alright thanks.

>>7150971
Cho Ren Sha 68k
run it in W98 compatibility mode or the sound will probably be shit
you can have a shield, which means you can actually try to dodge some parts without resorting to bombing, and not lose a life if you mess up (you have to regain your shield after each hit)
bullet speed is medium I guess

>>7150981
Unironically the exact opposite of what he asked for. Ikaruga barely teaches you any easily transferrable shmup dodging skills since you should just be absorbing everything, point-blanking is almost non-existent outside of some scoring strats here and there (since it gives no increased damage), and has moderate to heavy memorization for both survival and scoring. He'd literally be better off with a standard Cave or Touhou recommendation to learn the basics of micro, macro, bombing, and point blanking with slow to medium bullet speed. After he comes to grips with some of those, he can branch off and do whatever from there.

My recommendation to you >>7150971 would be to try out Touhou 7, the Steam Cave shmups (except Deathsmiles imo), or Espgaluda/DoDonPachi Daioujou Black Label on Mame if your goal is to get down the basics. If you decide to try out Touhou, remember to always play on the highest difficulty you can realistically see yourself clearing for the quickest improvements. Also don't forget to check and compare replays if you get stuck.

I haven't played Cho Ren Sha 68k so I can't speak to how good it would be for a beginner but I've at least heard good things about the quality of the gameplay.

>>7151306
>>7151669
Thanks!

>>7150981
He asked for shmups, not puzzle games.

>>7148817
>shmups
You mean matamarcianos?

I keep spending all my freetime looking at anime boobs and butts instead of playing shmups

>>7152305
play a psikyo shmup then

>>7152305
sounds like you need to have sex.

>gradius
>salamander
>life force
>nemesis

The concept of 1CC isn't fun. I say ignore it. It's like routing for a speedrun right away. I don't speedrun every platformer I like. There's a place for these made up personal challenges - but rarely- 1cc shouldn't be the standard way to finish a shooting game. 3cc 4cc it doesn't matter if you're having fun ;better than wasting 30 extra hours routing for a 1cc

>>7153332
Still going with the speedrun analogy, it's always better to aim for small incremental personal bests than going for world record right away.

>>7149664
bullet canceling, I've never seen /vr/'s opinions on this, but all I know is Giga Wing 2 players taking turns absorbing bullets is dumb but fun

>>7153332


I only play stgs I've already routed, can't be bothered to toil and copy routes for others. Once you know a couple verts and horis there's no point to keep collecting kuso clears, the satisfaction they give is the same.

>platforms speedrun
i'd rather do a no death run than speedrun platformers.... speedrunning takes unfun routing, no death is more about general strategy and fundamentals

>>7153380
>prefer general strategy and fundamentals
Same.
Would you say memorization and autistic routing killed the genre?

>>7151669
>since you should just be absorbing everything
That's not true at all and since I see you've mentioned Cave and Touhou I can assume you are a hipster retard who never plays games until a tuber does it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIxKjmrCrS4

>>7153387
It's a pump n dump genre. They were made to be 1cced but they do a terrible job communicating this to players. So they couldn't transition to consoles successfully. Plus better more exciting games were made and shmups kept repeating the same designs with tiny gimmick changes. Go try Luminous iX for example, so many ways to play and challenges to do. Instead of forcing the player down one and only one right way to play.

>>7152305
Looking at boobs better than grinding some shmup desu

>>7153332
>>7153332

I kind of agree. I try to build up to a 1cc, but usually start a game with 3 credits and then gradually lower them until I can do it. That way I see more of the game and have a better time knowing where to go, when to bomb, what enemies to target first etc. then if I can 1cc I try to play for score or get more indepth into the game.

>>7153417
>Go try Luminous iX for example, so many ways to play and challenges to do.
What, you mean the items for n00bs?

>>7153332
In most games, 3cc or 4cc only make sense if you're playing them like your goal is to get a 1cc. If a game has bombs, a 4cc lets you bomb spam your way through every boss, you're hardly even playing the game then.

>>7153387
I'd say about 2 decades of credit-feeders both players and reviewers.

>>7153481
t. Noob
Most games aren't DDP. A 2 or 3cc is fine...... Doubt you could even 3cc Gradius III.

>>7149664
Multi form bosses.

>>7153547
>G3
>most games
Based retard it's not even representative of its own series, credit feed G4 and the rank will drop down to nothing

for me, it's gotta be trannygaluda 2.

>>7148895
Muchi Muchi Pork has nice milkers. It's a good introductory Yagawa shooter too.

>>7153631
>this is considered obese in japan

the eternal debate...

taito's space invaders series, or namco's ga* series?

Someone mentioned to me today that Saidaioujou has not had a dump release.... where did that come from? I'm almost certain I have a dump of it from a ShmupMAME bundle I got in like 2017 or something. I might have to dig deep in my old hard drive for it but either I have completely fake vivd memories of playing SDOJ for the first time on it or people like talking out of their ass.

>>7153803

I just played it earlier today lmao

>>7153702
Galaga shits all over any Space Invaders game.

>>7153547
>gradius iii
>credits mattering at all
if you die in g3 you may as well just restart the whole game LMAO

so lets play guess who keeps reporting to save MUH SHMUP DISCUSSION!!!

i'll bet 3000 its a tranny

>>7154042
i like how none of the hitboxes in that game work

is autofire cheating on Cotton, I have a wrist injury : (

why do shmupfags NEVER learn, make your place only shmup discussion and it WILL die.

>>7149986
>says the guy who can't program to save his life
the correlation being? you dont need to program to see cave is shite at it.

>>7149780
seriously though why do modern arcade games have such shit hardware? Is it simply because arcades aren't as popular anymore so they have to be really cheap to produce?

>>7154408
yeh basically its skimping for max profit, back in 93 look what seibu achieved and with barely any slowdown. Cave are legit shite.

Got myself a Famicom on the way and an ASCII stick
Hyped to play some Recca and Gradius 2
What experience do you guys have with the platforms shmups? Any recommendations?

>>7154691
>look what seibu achieved and with barely any slowdown
6 bullets on screen and some fancy debris? Come back when they make an actual shmup

>>7155107
That is like the worst possible platform to play shmups on you retard. Just play arcade shmups and stop being a nesbabby cuck.

>>7155441
Famicom kicks ass for shmups. Hard to imagine being such a console warrior you'd forgo playing good games, baby.

>>7155487
It's atrocious for shmups you retard. It's funny you bring up "console warrior", because being a console warrior for the nes is literally the only reason you'd force yourself to play the inferior slop there instead of proper arcade shmups.

>>7155375
post your dx expert clear

>>7155441
Ah, I see /v/ has arrived

>>7154691
Games like DOJ barely have any slowdown. Not every Cave game is Futari stage 2.

people are talking about how cringe slowdown is but i think giving bullets small, non-obvious hitboxes is worse

>>7155681
>Games like DOJ barely have any slowdown.
the one time cave makes something on hardware that isnt customed theirs.. really makes you think!

>>7155107
As everyone else is saying the NES's shmup library is mostly inferior arcade ports.

Recca
Guardian Legend
S.C.A.T.
Isolated Warrior
Abadox
Gun Nac
Gyruss

Are the only good exclusives.

>>7156457
oh and crisis force.

>>7155107
g2 is nice for nes but the loops never get harder, it becomes a snoozefest fast

>>7155107
>>7156474
oh and crisis force.

>>7155107
Seconding Guardian Legend, there's nothing else like it in the industry

>>7156457
i prefer the nes port of salamander to almost any other version. it's too easy, though.

>>7155107
I like the one where you are a dragon

>>7156457
And none of those are particularly good, either. But yeah, if you absolutely INSIST on playing nes trash, at least stick to the stuff that can't be played better elsewhere.

>>7156519
Sick I'll check it out

>>7156935
shitposts like this is why I stopped using this site.

>>7157070
It's not a shitpost just because it hurts your feelings you stupid faggot. You're welcome to leave any time though, I'm not gonna miss you.

>>7157075
>recca is shit
K, retardo.

dumpsterfire thread for a ded genre = {no exposure will save it}
memorization is lowest form of skill
cave > all
420 sniff 'em virgins

>>7157170
fucking based.

>>7157170
Can you even sex one of these post op?

>>7157170
desu my only problem is knowing that playing shmups is the worst possible use of my time, even if they're fun. Because I find other things fun that actually benefit me and other people.

>>7157221
I'm sorry.

>>7157221
I'm so sorry.

>>7157221
I'm sorry.

>>7157221
I'm so sorry

>>7157284
>three post to get it right
Take a deep breath, stand up, and walk away.

>>7157287
>implying he's even close to done

>>7157284
B-but I liked Ikaruga. Say it ain't full of onions, plz

>>7157298
hate to break it to you, but...

>>7157308
that's some masterful level cherry picking.
Great bait.

ikaruga is the most well known and respected shmup amoung normal people.

so /vr/ automatically hates it

>Ikaruga

>tfw stopped deluding myself into thinking i was playing shmups for myself
>tfw realized 21 youtube views for 1000's of hours of braindead repetition is no longer enough to feed my ego
Thank fucking god im free bros

>>7157496
what does youtube have to do with playing shmups

>>7157496
Big boi thoughts

>>7157510
When you realize your time is valuable effort shmupping isn't worth it.
Casuals and credit feeders were right!

>>7156935
>Recca
>not good

>>7157951
>shmup
>good

it's true, shmups are a waste of time. My main hobby is talking about shmup community issues on the cords. But I had to cut my posting down since people were noticing.

Want to hear my strat for shmup game? I played for 5 minutes today so I want to talk about shmup game for 5 hours now.

take the racing pill, firstly its racing and cars, grown man shit so you dont feel like a total pedo cunt, secondly deep as fuck and satisfying to learn and execute good lines and get good times

I like racing because my brain is too smooth to understand anything but go fast and turn around the corner.

>>7155515
The zoomer is strong in this one

>>7158115
"take the racing pill, firstly its racing and cars, grown man shit so you dont feel like a total pedo cunt, secondly deep as fuck and satisfying to learn and execute good lines and get good times"

>>7158241
>>7158115
racing games are cool after I play Gradius V I like to do a casual credit of F-Zero GX

>>7157496
Once an attention whore always an attention whore, it's unlikely you'll ever truly enjoy vidya...

>>7158131
Post your custom setups big boi

>>7158131
lets see them times big boi, head over to /vroom/ and join the gt2 challenge

>>7157496
Sup Bananafaggot. Enjoying FF14?

>>7157527
I mean if you're already playing video games...

If you're concerned about wasting time, wouldn't you want to play something that develops a skill rather than a Microsoft excel spreadsheet friend sim?

>>7148817
TAITO 最高 !

>10,000 hours developing button tapping skills

>>7158418
You have only yourself to blame

>>7158418
>7000 hours
>no skills developed

>>7158418
>>7158434
HAHA nerds
chads play for fun

>>7158418
When I beat the windows touhou games in 2-3 weeks still my fondest shmup memory

>>7158402
they're called turn-BASED for a reason anon

>>7158402
I shut my brain off and play dragon quest for 4 hours every other day because I don't want to waste time on video games

Top 3 horizontal shmups?

>>7158507
Rolling Gunner, Progear, Akai Katana

garbage genres breed garbage threads _perfect example right here_

>>7158502
this but unironically and cut 4 hours down to 2

>>7158507
Gradius
Gradius II
Gradius III

>>7158619
0/3

>>7157971
>it's true, shmups are a waste of time. My main hobby is talking about shmup community issues on the cords. But I had to cut my posting down since people were noticing.
Not so fast! Are you more of survival player????

>>7158507
Deathsmiles, Progear, Akai Katana

Honorable mentions: Deathsmiles 2

>>7158115
why not both?

>>7158659
>>7158659
>Deathsmiles, Progear, Akai Katana
>Honorable mentions: Deathsmiles 2
is this a joke

>>7158692
If it's not presented by Cave, don't present it at all

>>7158729
based.

horis are horrible

>>7155964
Yep, it made me really think about how retarded you are!

>>7158584
/vrpg/ being a shitposting board really says a lot about your jarpigs then

>chav fell for the speedtranner meme
sad...

>>7158507
Gradius V
Gradius Gaiden
R-Type III

>>7158832
mate did you SEE pedro's time on alien vs predator, INSANE skills and tech to

>>7158804
its a fact.

>>7158832
racing has ALWAYS been about times, long before speedtrannies showed and funny enough they all steer clear of racers because they cant do it, its a male brain thing.

>>7158879
rob plz

>>7158907
uhhhhhhhhh yeah it's a fact... a fact that you're RETARDED!

>>7158907
Again with the tranny psychosis, anyway you look at it videogames are a manchild activity desgined to keep you conformed so you don't threat the (((system)))

>>7158908
its a fact, deal with it. sh3 was caves custom shite and so was cv1000. PGM only one that wasnt.

MAKES

YOU


THINK

>>7158971
yes sweaty, it is a fact that you are retarded.

>>7158978
no argument.

proven wrong.

>>7158985
>arguing with the retarded
I would never!

>>7149987
Truxton

>>7155107
Lifeforce (or salamander in this case) is cool

>>7158241
>using quotation marks instead of >

>>7158507
Gradius 3
Thunder Force IV
R-Type Delta

>>7158907
>and funny enough they all steer clear of racers because they cant do it
what about all the trannies into nintendy racers like mario kart and f-zero

>>7159053
After becoming a gay elf he prefers those to wip3out.

new to shmups, only played gradius on emu in the past. Picked up Zer0Vector a while back, that shit is so fun. Highly recommend.

Recommendations for newbies welcome

>>7159085
Play Ikaruga and Touhou everything else is a meme.

>>7159093
Bought Ikaruga, beat all the bosses in time, gonna start going for better clears with no continues.

Touhou is fun, but the artstyle kind of rubs me the wrong way. there's something about it that just looks off. Maybe thats the charm.

>>7159115
Play Fantastic Danmaku festival part 1 and especially 2 if you want good Touhou art.

>>7159121
will do

>>7159121
>best looking poohou looks like a b tier late 90's arcade shmup
lol

>>7159138
They are fairly easy games even by Touhou standards. The second game especially. It has a border break system where you build up a bar by grazing and collecting items. When it is full it allows you to take a hit without losing a life and it is how you gain your bomb/life points instead of them dropping normally. It stacks up to 3 times and slowly depletes over time if you don't graze/collect enough. I think the order is bomb>bomb>life. It is pretty good for new players in my opinion since it allows you to take some extra hits while you try out harder difficulties.

>>7159173
yeah that sounds like a mechanic that I would need

>>7159085
Giga Wing is a good intro to danmaku (pick Ruby) and Sengoku Ace is a good intro to dad (pick Aine).

I'm glad I have you guys. Your autistic shit flinging is a joy to read, it helps with my crippling depression.

>>7159115
>Touhou is fun

>>7159205
to each their own :)

>>7159205
it's more fun than dadshit

>>7159221
Before I insult you, please give me 3 examples of dadshit.

>not playing a little bit of everything
I'll never understand this.

>>7159226
your 3 favorite games, dad fag

>>7159248
I understand playing both dadshit and tranmaku but the fuck does poohou have to offer anyone who plays based cave?

>>7158971
>sh3 was caves custom shite and so was cv1000
cv1000 and sh3 are the very same thing. This anon is right: you're retarded.

>>7159259
My top 3 aren't dadshit tho??

>>7159260
>but the fuck does poohou have to offer anyone who plays based cave?
cute girls, better music, better boss patterns.

>>7159264
>cute girls, better music
Both garbage and require fans to fix them
>better boss patterns
Aggressive varied and chaotic patterns with destructible parts > gay glacial feminine patterns

>>7159264
toopoo girls aren't cute and they're badly drawn. 2poo fags have been blinded by uglyness for too long to notice, i'll give you that. musics go from redudant gimmicky shit to unbearable crap. cave pattern are more fun.

>>7159260
If nothing else, variety. I'm not much into playing the same couple games over and over for all of eternity.

>>7159264
>cute girl
only in big booba fanart
>better music
>better boss patterns
lmao!!

>>7159289
Countless better developers for that, which aren't just discount CAVE

>>7159261
you know damn well its a minor error and meant cave 68000 pedantic autistic fuck, point stands and is FACTS

>>7149664
anything from Treasure

>>7159289
Play Battle Traverse. Play RefRain. Play Stellavanity. There are like a million other tranmaku that aren't cave but are good. Stellavanity in particular is like a non-shitty 2poo.

>>7159324
>opinion so bad it was deleted

>>7159314
>>7159327
Okay. I'm not here to convince you to play Touhou. It is obvious you don't like it. I do however and nothing you can say will change that so what is the goal here? At the end of the day it is all going to come down to personal opinion. Things like art, music and patterns are going to all come down to personal taste. You say it is bad while another person says it is good. This autistic rambling will go on until the thread dies. There is plenty of room for every game unless it is a unplayable mess.

>>7159327
traverse may have gay sprites etc but the game design shits on cave achieving the same shite without any slowdown and better looking than akai katana to

member when ZUN added based checkpoints and made everyone seethe?

>>7148817

>>7159349
No but that sounds pretty funny.

>>7159264
cave also has cute girls, and they actually have decent art ingame

>>7159367
cave girls are indecent sluts

>>7159320
rather be a pedantic autistic fuck (which I'm not) than a complete RETARDED fuck like yourself. FACTS

>>7159394
so you don't think its odd that pgm games have minimal slowdown despite cave themselves saying it was limited hardware whilst the shit they custom pick themselves is slowdown ridden over pushed shite until the sprites disappear?? you are thick as fuck cunt dumb and likely smell of piss.

k which one of you was this?

>thread is full of tranmaku fags and dadcore redditors

cringe. where is based cute 'em up gang at?

>>7159675
I like Fantasy Zone

TwinBee's power up system gives me a migraine

>>7159273
You talk like a retarded toddler.

>>7159682
agree with you on Fantasy Zone. Super Fantasy Zone is also really good.

>>7159686
You're going to get the poohou fags horny

>>7159725
kek

great thread its about how shmups are escapism for no skilled losers.

there's nothing more exciting than dodging the same pixel in the same way for the 500th time

>>7159908
>games are for losers
You got this part correct.

meditated for 15 minutes today bros, new pb!

>>7159675
Give me Cotton pantsu dammit

>>7159954
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6cTOi-LwTo

>>7159946
>beat the game slightly better than i beat it before

orange bullets > pink bullets

>>7159946
>new pb!
>>7159990
>>beat the game slightly better than i beat it before

It's impressive for new players to the genre because they lack fundamentals and getting the first 1CCs or scores is a little mysterious. But eventually getting clears or PBs becomes very procedural, pure time investment and less impressive and exciting real quick.

>>7159946
you shouldnt look at it like that though, good practice not endurance practice... what kind of meditation?

refrain has such a great soundtrack guys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVSn33VpIpU&list=PL8woW7Kc7z-Yz084al-WDiwGZkUQebbR8&index=4

I just discovered Twinbee after so many years of watching my older brother play it on an arcade cabinet. I really love the anime artstyle and how cute it is. I hope I can play both the PSX and the SNES version like a pro and enjoy any other games thats come out of this franchise. Man I love it!

>>7160879

Nice anon, its a great game. Love the PSX one.. can't remember the name but stellar graphics.

>>7160532

I can't even 1cc a single game so I play for survival, but once I do I hope to move on to playing for score.

>>7160858
I like that all the ships are fun and stronk in this game. In most shmups I end up finding one ship I really like, and then the rest end up feeling liking a waste.

>>7160960
*like a waste

>>7160921
>I can't even 1cc a single game
Try Batsugun Special if you haven't already anon.

What is the best controller to play shmup games? An Arcade stick? A gamepad? Or just a keyboard?

>>7160971
which ever you find most comfy

>>7160971
steering wheel. then go play final fantasy.

>>7148817
When do shmups get good
Playing early shit like Exed Exes and this shit is really bland

>>7161079
play Cave
then quit

>>7161079
not before november 1996

garbage games general. gone insane yet?

>>7160971
I'd say arcade stick but any controller will do

>>7161102
we have a whole board for that >>>/vrpg/

shmup homework finished now it's time for fun

>>7159682
>>7159697
You guys have any tips for FZ? I just got the SEGA AGES version on sale for Switch the other day. I enjoy it but I'm real fuckin bad.

>haven't streamed today

>randomly check my page

>ricks lurking in my chat?

OBSESSED and STALKER PILLED

why is rickys stalking weirdness being silenced here?

back to base?

>>7159934
>there's nothing more exciting than dodging the same pixel in the same way for the 500th time
we ded genre

>>7161093
Highly Responsive to Prayers isn't even a shmup

>>7161079
If you want a good early Capcom STG, play Gun.Smoke

>>7161779
Might be worth trying then tnx

>>7161169
Good DQ game

For me, it's the fake illness.

whats the most redpilled shmup

>>7161572
he learned everything from your stalking ass cunt. u can b proud, chav.

>>7162003
anything from raizing

>>7161779
yeah but it was in Shmup Slam 3 so whatever

>>7162141
he's like a rapist, can't handle rejection

fucking weird

>>7162198
t. stalks people who blocked him and creates new accounts to re enter places he's been banned from

>>7162148
>RAϟZϟNG
>ϟϟ
oyyy veyyyyy

>>7162249
ive blocked no one on any of mine though.... they all ran from me and now rickys camping out on my twitch, gets caught makes some even weirder excuse, sad!

>>7162463

>>7162584
coping with what exactly? why do you say cope when it doesnt even make sense?

>>7162697
>th-that doesn't even make sense
cope.

>>7162697
its just underage and/or mentally underage meme posting. he's too stupid to actually come up with anything so like most low IQ peasants he just goes with the low IQ meme posting even if it doesnt make sense since he's stupid and thats about his level. just ignore him and dont bother he's too stupid to actually have a debate with

>>7162712
more cope.

>>7162286
Oy vey everythings Jewish or a tranny because I'm mentally ill.

>>7162729

>>7162735

>>7162737

Sup guys what's going on in this thr-

>>7162742
Currently playing FF7!

What games have you been playing lately? Scoring or survival? Difficulty? Goal?
>Mushi
>1cc
>maniac

>>7161079
Star Soldier on NES. It didn't begin the shmup craze in Japan, but Hudson's caravans pushed shmup competition into the "mainstream" (mostly just little kids). There is more info about this topic on the Japanese side of things but I do feel that Star Soldier was actually a good shmup for its time.

>>7162779
and by "shmup" I mean vert-scrollers. There were, of course, a ton of good shmups before then such as Galaga.

>when the trans cheerleaders you got into bed with start talking aesthetics

OOF

>>7162779
He asked when they got good, not when competition for them became mainstream you dolt. And even then, the answer to both is still Xevious if we're only talking shmups with scrolling scenery. Star Force is p cool tho, it's basically the original Star Soldier and came out in 84.

>>7162798
Take your meds chav, no one even knows what you're talking about.

>camps his enemies' streams for hours
>monitors discord 12 hours a day
>rhythmically presses f5 on this thread every 12 seconds

No time to play!

>>7162805
when "they got good" is pretty elitist of him to say, also Xevious would be boring to him obviously, so I pointed him toward where scoring became actually-relavent: you could win something in a shmup competition.

>>7162819
It is, but that's all the more reason to ignore his shitty opinion and say Xevious anyways. Exed Exes is sick too, he's just a faggot.

>all this e-drama gossiping like school girls
Everyone involved is pathetic. Back to Discord.

>>7162767
playing truxton and mushi maniac. trying to at least survive in both. you pretty much HAVE to use savestates to practice truxton as it's really tedious to start over every time.

>>7148817
I'm going to make a custom stick for playing these and other arcade games Do I get a:

Seimitsu LS-56
Seimitsu LS-40
Modded JLF as seen here: https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=41451

Any help would be greatly appreciated, I've never owned a high quality stick before.

>>7162836
>>7162836
I have only ever owned an LS-40 but I liked it a lot, but in the end I started preferring dpads. For me, smaller taps are easier on a pad or a keyboard compared to a stick. Buttt, if you have an arcade nearby you can practice for the games you want to play there if you have a stick. That is the biggest advantage to having one, in my eyes, because I wasn't more-accurate when using one or anything.

>>7162807
what is it you say...


C O P E

NMK's mustang is this week's game at taito hey arcade

https://live2.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv329450377

i want to build a cabinet with a vertical screen just for shmups.

>>7162767
Finally beat Phantasy Star II today, time to start the next one

>>7163252
naisu

>>7163252
IV is a treat. I want to replay it but I have a long backlog (unlike shmupfags who are starved for good games lol)

>>7162836
pads are just so convenient. Most people are used to them so there's no initial adjustment phase. You plug them in and play. Replacing them is cheap and easy.

I avoid sticks because replacing them is annoying and they seem to need a lot of fixing and tinkering with.

>>7163252
>>7163520
Based
Phantasy Star 4's macro system should be in every JRPG.

I picked up this little game on Steam for like 3 bucks over the last sale called "Shmup skill test". It's a collection of shmup-based minigames intended to, well, test your skills. You complete a series of randomly selected minigames, and at the end you're graded and given a "gamer age" based on how well you did, and you can also play the challenges individually as you unlock them to up your score for leaderboards. I'm kinda tangentially connected to shmups because I love arcade games and I've played a few small shmups (including running a caravan competition on /vr/), but I've never truly committed to any, and my skills are very poor. I wanted to upload some videos to show the game and get some tips.

https://files.catbox.moe/lpuyzq.mp4

This one's called 8-bit and it's basically Star Soldier with a Galaga/Galaxian-like intro. Thankfully I can press multiple buttons to shoot, so I don't have to constantly mash one. I could grind out more points shooting the bullets in the intro, but that dramatically increases the difficulty once the Star Soldier part starts, and I don't think it's worth it relative to the score. I think my biggest problem is that I get anxious really easily and make a lot of false moves as a result along with losing focus on trying to read the bullet patterns, where my ship is, and where the enemies are. I'm also just scared to weave through bullets, which makes it even more anxiety inducing once the screen starts getting full of shots.

>>7163953
Incidentally, it's pretty cool to be able to tate my monitor, though I wonder if having a widescreen monitor makes it a little too long vertically.

https://files.catbox.moe/k6rymq.mp4

This one's called Tank Tank Tank, and it's what it sounds like: tons of tanks. My general idea here once the screen fills up is to focus on the bullets and try to bait shots to weave through openings, but there's just so much shit coming from so many directions. Any weaves I pull off are almost entirely luck, and eventually I just can't tell what my options are by the end. Again, lots of false moves and anxiety.

>>7163953
>>7163965
>"Shmup skill test"
Release Date: 10 Jun, 2016

not retro.

>>7163965
https://files.catbox.moe/8g3oik.mp4

This one's called Dodge, and well, you dodge. Best I can figure is to try and get a big picture view of where bigger open areas are and just move towards them.

>>7163971
You're right, but people in here are also talking about Touhou and Deathsmiles, so I guess I figured this was general shmup talk. If I get deleted, I guess I'll get my answer.

>>7163980
Last one for now, this one's Dodge Dodge Dodge, and it's all bullet pattern dodging.

https://files.catbox.moe/mz1rv9.mp4

Starting from the big fat blue bullets to the end, I have no real idea what I'm doing or how to read it. It's frankly pure luck I made it that far.

>>7163987
>Dodge Dodge Dodge
Oops.

>>7163953
>>7163965
check out the other triangle service games. this one was meant as a bonus for one of their collections.

yeah, i have an old Dell 2007FP monitor and it happens to be perfect for TATE. the stand even rotates.

>>7164002
Mine is a VG245H, rotating stand and all. 24 inches wide (high, in this case), so it's pretty fuckin tall tated on my desk.

>>7164002
>>7164012
Also, I saw the Triangle Service collection on sale, but I liked how bite sized the challenges are, and I figured it'd be a fun, cheap intro into the fundamentals of good shmupping. But I might pick up the rest come Christmas sale.

>>7163789
>>7163520
>>7163252

>>7164061
Sorry, I meant to reply to
>>7148817

best raiden fighters jet ship? i like the chaser

Cotton should get it's on rpg series otherwise the world and characters are being wasted

>>7163789
I beat Phantasy Star 4 recently with save states, which counts. It was the most boring JRPG ever. Had I not bumped into a couple Rag Rappies I would have nothing good to say about it at all.

>>7162798
>muh aesthetics
there's nothing else to talk about though

>>7164131
>I beat Phantasy Star 4
post the replay

>>7164197
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLOPygVcaVE

>>7164110
opinion discarded, lolifag

>>7164186
ricky banned aesthetics talk

>>7164110
Cotton should get on my face; if you catch my drift.

How do I play shooting games on Linux? I remember back when /shmupg/ was a thing there was a MEGA link to a MAME emulator with a bunch of shooting games but it doesn't seem to run on Linux.

>>7164547
download mame through your package manager

>>7164559
oh, that was easy.
thanks.

>>7164441
>>7164441
>if you catch my drift.

>>7164441
>Cotton should get on my face
yeah and poo

>>7164656
I wish she would piss in my mouth

>>7164671
chum please.

lol dead shit genre

>>7165892
thanks for the bump friend

>>7165908
pity bumps

>>7164131
>>7164207
Found the underage poster.
Phantasy Star 4's story and combat were epic and one of a kind, get filtered by the amazing planets.
>>7164110
Based and true.

>>7166153
>Found the underage poster.
I'm not underage, I'll post my drivers license proving I'm 35 if I must.

>Phantasy Star 4's story and combat were epic
PSO had a better story.

>>7166183
35 and still using save states for games I beat as a child, incredible.
>B-But my MMOs
e-girlfriends aren't real girlfriends, sorry.

Hey guys I just finished FF7 today, can't wait to play as Sephiroth in Smash Bros!

>>7166187
>still using save states
You beat a JRPG, grats.

>e-girlfriends aren't real girlfriends, sorry.
When you play PSO you will realise it has the most in depth story of any Phantasy Star game.

>>7166201
>JRPGs are so easy lol
>I beat it with save states which means I totally beat it!
>Still thinking your opinion counts after that
Congratulations, you've played yourself.
Also PSO doesn't even have an MC as based as Chaz, fuck out of here.

>>7148817
gib me Taito, or gib me death

>>7166205
Sure

>>7166203
>Congratulations, you've played yourself.
Save state gaming is just as valid as your playthrough.

>Also PSO doesn't even have an MC as based as Chaz
You wouldn't know that, you've never played it.

>>7166242
>Save state gaming is just as valid as your playthrough.
LOL
>You wouldn't know that, you've never played it.
And you never played Phantasy Star 4. Besides, all MMOs are the same boring shit for lonely virgins.

Savestates really expose how shit jarpigs are since as soon as you can experiment and find good combat loops without reloading they completely fall apart lol

>>7166254
>for lonely virgins.
Sorry bro, thats JRPGs.

>>7166153
>Phantasy Star 4's story and combat were epic and one of a kind
Here's a cool dev interview (ironically on a chmups site lol) ; rpgs win again

http://shmuplations.com/phantasystar/

>>7166293
>>7166317
>All this coping from people who can't even beat the easiest Phantasy Star without save states
Nice.
Also show me any couples playing or cosplaying shmup shit together and I'll find 1000x as many for the chad genre.

>>7166498
Just skimmed it for now, really fascinating how the original was meant to be four planets since it already felt so complete with three.

Guys maybe weighing our masculinity over how many points you make on a fucking videogame might be more than a little autistic.

>>7166513
Most cosplay girls don't know shit about who they're dressed up as.

>>7166551
okay shmup incel https://www.thegamer.com/final-fantasy-7-tifa-lockhart-cosplay-amazing/

>>7166513
Why would you ever beat a turn based rpg without fast forward/rewind/savestates? Literally begging to get your time wasted

>>7166558
Nobody said anything about fast-forwards.
Rewinds are even more pathetic than save states however as at least save states take foresight
>Still coping about the fact you haven't beaten the easiest Phantasy Star

>>7166551
Imagine posting this when every JRPG ever (even obscure ones) gets hot girls cosplaying the characters because they love the games while the only shmup that gets any cosplays is Trannyhou from SECONDARIES.

>>7166560
>foresight
Huh? You already made the choice either way, only difference is how much filler content you'll have to trudge through if the choice was bad. I've never played phantasy shite but shit like getting back to boss fights in EO is a pure waste of time for low IQs

>>7166569
Etrian Odyssey is meant for people who are good at games and has basically nothing in the form of story filler, sorry that you suck.

>>7166570
>Etrian Odyssey is meant for people who are good at games
LOL
Also the entire game is mostly filler, once you run into an encounter once it's basically solved the only challenge is taking on FOE's at low level and bosses, yet if you do anything challenging you're punished with having to trudge through pointless content. Strange Journey was better at this since it gave you save points before boss fights, but is a piss easy game as a result

MMOs? Not so fast you should know I have no real life friends to join me online and I'm too afraid to voicechat to get into a good guild. Best cope for me is arcade game I can memorize - start to finish - no surprises (I have problems with adapting to change and thinking in real time).

>>7166563
>every JRPG ever (even obscure ones) gets hot girls cosplaying the characters
Yes

>because they love the games
I'm sure all these 18year old thots owned and played the original Final Fantasy...

>while the only shmup that gets any cosplays is Trannyhou from SECONDARIES.
I don't know what you're talking about anymore. Is this more discord Shmup drama?

>>7166594
these threads are nothing but schizoposts

>>7166603
I think a lot about making shmups popular but then I give up because it's never going to happen.
I don't really like shmups to be honest but I play them out of habit because it's the only thing I'm good at and used to. It's my daily routine. If I quit them then the last 10 years of my life would be wasted.

>>7166582
Shmups are filler by that logic retard lmao.
>>7166594
I don't even give a fuck about this Discord drama but you sound like an incel.

>>7166616
>Shmups are filler by that logic retard lmao.
They have something called execution that keeps them challenging long after you've beaten something once

>>7166625
EO uses tactical skill much more lol.

>>7166613
>>7166616
>>7166603

Let this sink in I'm a serious shmup player. That means seeing others enjoy rpgs effortlessly makes me rage because they don't know the suffering I went through to get my precious 1ccs. They don't DESERVE FUN, only I deserve fun because I put in the work. Life is not fair! Why are shmups dead? Join my discord to find out. I'm over here building important skills while they are casually having fun for free. BTW I wish I could blow myself because no one else is doing it.

Gus
Threadly reminder that Joe reditter simped for erin matei and got butthurt when mike rejected his pitched avgn episode script but he just ate it when mike replied in a "lmao I dont care faggot" matei fashion and then joe lashed out against fucking tony (KEK)
Also reminder joe has yet to fire back at mike after mike humiliated joe and exposed him as a cheater on a j&mm episode

>>7166657
>eceleb shit in my JRPG thread
Fuck off faggot

>>7164082
WOW get a load of this stupid fucking idiot actually trying to talk about shmups amirite bros haha

>>7166616
Didn't mean to burst your bubble. A lot of these cosplayers don't particularly care about the characters as much as you do.

>>7166660
He needs to be put in his place.

>>7166647
No shit, it has literally 0 execution requirements but the tactics elements are trash too. A game where over half of content doesn't pose any real challenge what so ever is a waste of time

>>7166662
I don't want a cosplayer gf because I already have one.
You sound like an incel because you're bitching about how women can't POSSIBLY like video games and they're only dressing up as obscure JRPG characters (including modestly dressed ones) for attention when they could dress up as a slutty Tifa or Misty and get more validation if that's all they were after.

>>7166658
>pic.jpg
What is her game?

>>7166660
it was a bait question to change the topic. common cope in this thread. The ''players'' don't have anything to talk about.

>>7166662
I don't want a cosplayer gf because I already have one dork.
The reason why you sound like an incel is because you're bitching about how women can't POSSIBLY like video games and they're only dressing up as obscure JRPG characters (including modestly dressed ones) for attention when they could dress up as a slutty Tifa or Misty and get more validation if that's all they were after like you say.

>>7166675
>A game where over half of content doesn't pose any real challenge what so ever is a waste of time
so any shmup under 30 on the List is a waste of time. Gottcha. I agree.

>>7166686
post replays bigboi.

>>7166686
Post your Garegga clear big boy

>>7166675
Post your clears then bitch.
>>7166680
Faris from Final Fantasy V she's fucking hot.

>>7166692
>>7166694
He's right except any shmup is a waste of time. Dodging the same bullets 500 times is so fun, didn't ya know?

>>7166695
Sure you'll just have to pay me for every minute I spend playing that garbage again

>>7166704
Sure beats fighting palette swapped slimes using the same strategy for 40 hours

>>7166695
>Faris from Final Fantasy V she's fucking hot.
wtf I've been sleeping on FFV for a long time. Is the PC version the best now?

>>7166708
>Grinding level 1 enemies for 40 hours
there's your problem you never got out of the sewers

>>7166653
shut the fuck up

>>7166705
More than you'll make playing shmups.
>>7166708
Damn everything you know about JRPGs comes from shitposts doesn't it?

>>7166704
>>7166695
>>7166680
>>7166658
>>7166704
wow now this is a retro shmup thread.

>>7166716
The sewers that are the JRPG genre? Got out of that ages ago mate

>>7166710
PC version sucks. Just emulate the GBA version or SNES with fan translation. Former has more content so I guess I rec that but I only actually finished SNES.

>>7166657
S this true?

>>7166726
UH OH
http://www.avians.net/hawthorn/apidya/level3.html

>>7166724
>Damn everything you know about JRPGs comes from shitposts doesn't it?
Firsthand experience beating tons of games in the genre before realizing it's garbage. It goes like this : you get to an area, meet some enemies, figure out a blatantly obvious strategy to beat them and then just wait for a boss to change things up rinse and repeat for 30-100 hours depending on the game. It's amazing that people willingly play this shit, and for free!

>>7166729
NO ECELEB SHIT IN THE JRPG GENERAL

>>7166734
Nice description in the vaguest terms possible.
Here's how shmups play:
Dodge the same pattern 500 times until your muscle memory adapts to something that's exactly the same as 1000 other games on the market and is only a 20 minute game padded with bullshit.

>>7166726
rpgs get you out of the sewers stages in an hour. Shmups have you repeating the sewers (stages 1-3 or 1-4 or sometimes the entire first loop depending) indefinitely-- for hundreds of hours -- for thousands of hours lmfao.

The amount of time I spend re-running stages 1-3 mindlessly is more miserable than anything I do in jrpgs.

>>7166749
JRPGs also have way hotter women and cosplayers.

>>7166657
Someone post the pic

>>7166740
Agreed and it's a nice summary of jrpgs. It's all tricks, the same few hours of content stretched out for dozens of hours. Use ARPG's to ween off and then just switch to action games, you'll never look back trust me

>>7166749
JRPG's are perma stuck in the sewer stage of development
>The amount of time I spend re-running stages 1-3 mindlessly is more miserable than anything I do in jrpgs.
Sounds like a you problem. Why aren't you improving or using the vast array of tools to practice the games?

>>7166752
gawd damn look at the plump of her buttcheeks

>>7166657
fucking joe.... mike has big duck cant do much against that

>>7166767
>Why aren't you improving or using the vast array of tools to practice the games?
eventually you have to do full runs you can't stay stuck in save states copying replays. And if the game or your goal is hard then tons of resets are normal.

>>7166749
>Shmups have you repeating the sewers (stages 1-3 or 1-4 or sometimes the entire first loop depending) indefinitely-- for hundreds of hours -- for thousands of hours lmfao.
>The amount of time I spend re-running stages 1-3 mindlessly is more miserable than anything I do in jrpgs.
Been there done that. Quit the genre sooner than later and save yourself the hassle.

>>7166752
>>7166769
>>7166740
jrpgs win again

>>7166820
Oh I get it now, the problem is that you are a moron. The genre expects you to know your own limits like a big boy, but since you have no self control you get in over your own head and then start bitching. Shockingly common, and rather sad

>>7166847
The games just keep getting harder though, the ura loops, tlb and score reqquirements, never good enough, it just keeps increasing. This is why most people are better off just beating touhou on normal then getting a life

>>7166847
>>7166847
>just save state and get your Stirkers 2-All and DDP 500 million on your first attempt!
Sikraiken? I wish I could get all my PBs on my first try like you.

>>7166873
All games get harder if you push your skill level in them, even jarpigs have speedrunning shit. Not being able to control yourself is a critical failure on your part as a player, unless perhaps you want genres to treat you with kiddy gloves

>>7166898
I'm saying you should probably invest your time in a carreer or something with personal compensation rather than slaving away at videogames, or else you risk becoming like one of those stunted growth speedtrannies that look back at their 20s and have nothing but wasted time to show for it.

>>7166898
If you're going to play a game well you're going to ramp up the challenges over time. It's inevitable that you'll find 3 or 4 stages very easy and basically mindless filler.

>>7148834
Based

>>7166905
If the challenges ramp up, the scoring requirements get tighter and the early stages will remain hard. But the broader point is that using strategies you're bad at when you can't handle the frustration is an idiotic choice. In fact, it's seldom even a choice, it's the result of idiotic compulsion driven play.

>>7159354
alien soldier is a good game

>>7166927
boss rush games are gay

>>7166943
play it for the story

>>7166924
>the scoring requirements get tighter and the early stages will remain hard
> But the broader point is that using strategies you're bad at when you can't handle the frustration is an idiotic choice
You're assuming shmups have smooth difficulty curves and smooth scoring systems, they don't. They have difficulty spikes that ruin runs even for great players -- Gradius 3 cube rush or many TLBs, and they have scoring systems all over the map with mid-stage or late-stage milks that give a ton of points etc.
Players cope with early stage filler when they're chasing goals but it can't be denied that it exists and is boring trash you have to put up with when doing full runs.

>>7166950
good joke

if you don't like frame by frame routing, copying replays, boring initial stages or poorly designed difficulty spikes in later stages, then shmups aren't the genre for you. Sorry!

>>7166975
Stay away from garbage games like Gradius 3 mate
>Smooth scoring systems
Meaningless statement any decent scoring system gives you a range of strategies and it's on you to pick out ones you're comfortable with, goals are similarly made based on how the scoring works even if the later stages are disproportionately profitable it's ultimately on you to create goals. You're one of those idiots copymonkeying replays way above your skill level and then bitching how hard it is aren't you, the exact reason why developers can't trust players anymore and have to make everything as condenscending as possible.

>>7167002
*savestates through your tlb*
Nothing personel, kid

>>7167002
>if you don't like frame by frame routing, copying replays, boring initial stages
Use that brain of yours and pick a playstyle that fits you instead of downloading the correct way to play online, stupid cunt

>>7167010
but early stages are pretty easy n boring unless you're playing Futari Ultra or doing crazy chains. he's right on that one

>>7167020
This^
dont play hard shmups route carefully or copy strategies just collect kuso clears and spend your time lecturing on 4chan and cords

>>7167038
It's a shame all shmups prevent you from working on your scores unless you go for WR

What was the last good dadshit?

just copy replays and save state for 1000 hours bro so you're always overprepared and get your goal first try
oh you don't like that style? maybe play a better genre then

>>7167056
the one where 100% of the bullets are beaten with tap dodging and safe spot sitting

>>7167059
Not so fast! What's worse dad shmups or bullet hells?