/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7142215
he fell for the meme
kek kek

>>7142231
cute monke

I’m a Meleer, no memes here, just the first time using a crt pc monitor instead of a crt tv.

>>7142269
>Meleer
Just kill me now. Fuck this gay earth.

>>7142269
Get a bar of soap next time

>>7142269
What kind of rack is that?

>>7142313
not him but it looks like any old 8u server rack

>recently
get fucked I've seen those images for months now.

>>7142407
That’s not mine.

>>7142453
Post yours

You have been visited by the only Vision Master Pro 500 on the internet.

op is a fag, can we get a new one?

>>7143030
>op is a fag
Blame the change made by mods and CRTs becoming "vintage" among hipster normies.

>>7143187
>crt
>not vintage
>eternal crt thread on retro video game board
>also butthurt about gen 6 on /vr/
You can't have it both ways. They're either old or they're not. If they're old, then they're vintage and the belong here. If not, keep the threads on /g/

How the fuck do I open the plastic tabs on the top of trinitron pc monitors. Pretty sure I just broke one.

anyone know about the Philips Magnavox CRT? It only has AV though.

>>7143241
Old and vintage are different. If they weren't then old cars would be selling for the same as vintage cars. I consider things released in the 80s, 90s and early 2000 as retro. 20s to 70s is vintage. Before 20s is antique.

>>7143350
But retro, by definition, means an imitation of something old. Actual retro video games are pixelshit indie stuff or like octopath traveler. Vintage means basically anything of quality from a past generation. With antiques being from several generations past with much of the value coming from the age itself.
The word vintage doesn't quite work for software because it applies to physical objects, but it sure as shit works for crt monitors.
The word also denotes a certain amount of quality. so, it may not be completely applicable to super mass produced kitchen TV sets, but it definitely applies to higher end professional monitors.

>>7142215
yeah you've got to do it all yourself

>>7143259
bargain bin tier

>>7142269
>I’m a Meleer
Playing on slippi? Or connecting a wii to it?

What websites and search terms can one use to find good CRTs monitors? When looking up nonspecific monitor terms (vga, old), it's entirely shitty 5:4 LCDs, but when being a bit more specific (tube, crt) they're all either shitty sub-70kHz or price gouged 75-80kHz tubes. Are there better sites than FB marketplace, offerup, and craigslist, or is there at least a way to exclude keywords in searches there? Does my area just suck or is it just that hard to find a good CRT nowadays?

>>7143253
Slowly slide something plastic and flat like a credit card along it to pop them out, don't fucking use a flat head screw driver and snap them.
>>7143404
Literally spend more than 10 seconds looking, if theres none for cheap theres none for cheap in your area, but I bet you're just looking at page one of monitor and clicking off, sort lowest to highest and just sift.

>>7143404
monitors seem to be in a drought right now, but if you scroll the 'free' section of FB you can find them where boomers don't even bother to label what they are

>>7143437
They're in a drought because that digital foundry video unironically fucked it, every zoomer is getting one, even if its bottom tier they'll pay like 70 bucks for it no questions asked.

>>7143401
Both, I have 3. 1 for Slippi and 2 for gamecubes/wiis.

>>7143387
Thank you.

>>7142720
Nah.

>>7143404
I've sifted through entire searches before and haven't found anything worthwhile. You would think a populous urban area would yield many results, but LA never fails to be a shithole. To get a good frame of reference, how much does, say, a ~105kHz monitor go for these days?

>>7143437
I don't see a "free" section within the categories (or a price filter for that matter), am I just a brainlet?

>>7143450
This, it seems the word is getting out about how useful they can be these days. I believe I came across a $400 FW900 in my area about six or so years ago, and I dismissed it as being overpriced. If only I had known.

>>7143467
Christ, I'm stupid. First response was meant for >>7143420.

>>7143467
the category is actually called "Free Stuff"

>>7143467
Dude what are you on about? I picked up a fucking stack of bvms a month ago and left plenty pvms there.
Anything actually listed online is scalper tier.

>>7143474
Thank you.

>>7143475
In that case, where offline do you recommend to look for these things? Can VGA monitors be as easily acquired as PVMs or BVMs?

Can someone tell me what type of TV this is?

>>7143481
Vga monitors are easier, they were in millions of people's homes and haven't been memed into high prices. Offline you want to go to e-cyclers, prop houses, rental houses(the smaller the better). North Hollywood is what you want.

>>7143492
A plasma

>>7143504
Sorry *model type, I guess I invited that kind of answer. Obviously I can see it's a Sony Triniton but I'm looking for the model number.

>>7143503
Thanks a bunch, I'll take a look around the area sometime.

>>7143514
Is it yours or are you looking to buy it? Looks like one of the KV series. Those are the good ones that tend to have component and S-video.

best crt for ps2

>>7143521
It's something I'm looking to sell, but I think I got the number now.

>>7143492
nice legs baby

>>7143492
That's a Sony tv. Square kind.

>>7143542
Not for sale UwU

>>7142215
Anyone notice how much better their CRT's look when using warm color or ambient light, like luminescent light bulbs? Maybe it's because bright fluorescent light bulbs and LED and CFL hadn't really caught-on yet, but since I bought new light bulbs earlier and went for luminescent lights, my room feels much comfier and more like home, and the CRT's color output really pops. Maybe this is just THC-fueled autism but what do you think?

>>7142231
>white brazilian
I'm pretty sure that's a russian

is it bad if i accidentally left my pvm on for about a week and a half? i have the leds covered so they don't distract me, so i only noticed because my niece came into my room and started complaining about the ringing (which i can't hear).

>>7143938
lol yeah but I know it still hurts. I've left a few on overnight and it bugged me for like a week. Those things were basically designed to be run for days in end and probably did often years before you got them. For what it's worth, the handful of bvms I've come across had less than 50k hours on them

>>7143938
pvms were built to be installed in security camera banks or broadcast rooms and run 24 hours a day for years so i wouldn't worry about it

>>7142215
Why the hell did these things go from $700 -> $1,000 -> $3,500+ this last year?

>>7144128
The hoard/scalp mentality that was caused by supply lines drying up during covid shutdowns combined with poorfags getting more money they'd ever had from unemployment plushaving more time than ever to indulge in their hobbies.
Literally everything has exploded price wise.motorcycles, records, game cartridges, monitors, consoles, have all gone up substantially over the past year. With any luck the bubble will pop and some stuff will come back down. I don't think that will be the case with retro vidya stuff though.

>>7144159
yeah its exactly this
i dont think the legit retro stuff will get any cheaper any time sooner but i definitely think more modern alternatives will come about as emulation gets better and companies follow the demand
yeah no dice for people looking for an authentic retro experience, tho maybe the lessened demand might make prices fall and more alternatives is always a good thing

>>7144285
There was a brief period of a week or two where people panic sold a bunch of shit. I think some cities/states had shut down, a stimulus package hadn't been agreed to yet, and it may have been the end of the month. Dirt bags were selling stuff CHEAP. As soon as those checks started going out, prices shot up.
I can't imagine crts going back down, but people might stop trying to squeeze every cent out of the shit they sell once the economy levels out. Chinese flash carts and ODEs are a decent alternative that seem to get looked down upon for no good reason. Retro gaming is never going to get less popular and consoomers are never going to stop basing their personalities around their material possessions, so your average honest old timer gamer is going to have to make some concessions and go the flashcart/ode route. Stuff like soft modded wii and opl on ps2 are just so easy and need no technical knowledge at all. I'm glad I got all my crt related shit for free or dirt cheap. I wouldn't want to be looking for it in the future.

>>7144128
OP here, I got mine for $700 a month ago.
The ones on ebay that go for $3500+ are in shitty conditions. The cases are literally broken and they have deep scratches on the antiglare coating.
Mine is in perfect condition and went unused for 10+ years. It’s probably among the best kept fw900 in the world.

>>7144475
lol

>>7144489
That will be $3700

>>7144489
LOL

>>7143492
>looks into reflection on screen

Imagine the smell

>>7144128
>>7144475
Why the fuck would someone pay anywhere near this much for a fucking pc monitor? I can understand paying a few hundred for a high tvl rgb pvm because they have a lot to offer, but what could a pc monitor with presumably vga and not much else offer?

>>7144808
look up “gdm-fw900” on google, that will answer your question.

I love CRTs!

>>7144159
>Literally everything has exploded price wise
This.
>was going to start a home gym but there's no stock and resell is double to triple
>gameboys went from a fiver to 10x that, at least
>no free CRT monitors in my area, they're all for sale and are overpriced Dell trash
>was going to finally build a decent 1440p60 desktop, but almost all the parts are out of stock

>>7144912
>>was going to finally build a decent 1440p60 desktop, but almost all the parts are out of stock
i will say though the price of new nvidia and amd parts for performance is stupidly good so once they all figure out their stock situation it'll be an amazing time to build a new rig

>>7145279
I'm not going full rice with it, but it will certainly make my build better for the same price. I know nothing about what to choose, so I'll ask on r/cabaloftheblacksmiths

>>7145370
/g/ can sometimes have good advice as well

>>7145412
It's way better to have a small group of selected individuals that you know they know what they're doing instead of a ton of spergs where you have no idea if you're actually the best deal, especially because I work with £.

>>7144912
Trumpbux was a mistake. Poorfags have a reselling problem in this country.

>>7145456
I'm in bongland though.

Found this Sony Trinitron/Vaio PC monitor. It works completely fine but I can hardly find any info on the entire fucking internet on this very unique and apparently rare Trinitron or Vaio (I think).

What do you guys think?

>>7146115
I've seen them before, it's a standard 96kHz screen iirc, but its gimmick is the built in stereo speakers and subwoofer. A 90s gem if you ask me

>>7146149
Could you answer the question in the op? Any image received by a crt monitor, even if it coincides to a preset signal, needs to be adjusted? Basically, crt monitors used to work out of the box because they were factory adjusted for your specific pc you bought them with? Why can crt tv auto adjust to their preset instead?

>>7146182
well the crt has its factory set modelines that have been precalibrated for average users. Given that computers often put out slightly different front/back porches, sync timings, etc, the image is going to be slightly uncentered to allow for that range of timings.

>>7146115
Most vaio desktop stuff has literally no documentation online, sony never put that stuff online and it was very high end market stuff so it was usually just thrown away by rich people when they swapped to probably a new sony vaio with a lcd.

>>7146182
>crt monitors used to work out of the box because they were factory adjusted for your specific pc you bought them with?
Unless the dealer set it up for you no, you had to adjust the image position, tv's don't need adjustments to different signals because they overscan.

>>7146115
>Trinitron or Vaio
The CRT itself is a Trinitron, tard.

>>7143401
slippi?

Any advice for transporting CRTs?
Two are 29" and in completely open frames, the other is a 14" computer monitor.
Was just thinking to put them face down in boxes with foam on the bottom and around sides? I have a flat trolley for moving but concerned about the lifting once boxed

>>7142269
please take all that faggy shit off your monitors.

>>7147485
Can't you call any friends or family to help, or coworkers?

>>7147630
Yeah got one extra set of hands, just really don't wanna hurt the tubes. Wasn't sure if the polystyrene was good enough for short road travel and really don't want box to break lifting the fuckers!

>>7147743
Define "short travel", also what kind of roads?
I drove 60km to pick up my 20 inch pvm and I just threw it on the backseat of my car, it survived well enough.

>>7147743
>>7147831
Forgot to mention, use a pair of belts like in pic related to lift the boxes.

>>7147485
Just lift them. I got my 25" + stand in one go down a flight of stairs, hallway and garage into my car.

PS3 and xbox 360 mostly output 720p at 60hz.
Which would be better - 1920 x 1440 CRT at 720p resolution and hdmi-vga, or cheap 1080p hdmi monitor?
I imagine a CRT would have lower input lag and better visuals. Also, doesn't running ps3 games in 1080p cause jagged edges and overall shitty image?

inb4 not retro - let's assume I'm going to play Ico and Metal Gear remasters.

>>7148119
>1920 x 1440 CRT
By the way, it's a SyncMaster 997MB.

>>7148119
While those systems are "720p", the games themselves are usually much lower resolution, unless they were the more 6th gen looking launch titles. So there's going to be fuzziness and aliasing regardless.

>>7148147
Hmm, does that mean lowering the resolution even further would improve the image?

>>7148119
You could skip the converter and do RGsB in 480p for a 4:3 mode

>>7148119
What >>7148147 said. Red Dead runs at a weird 1152x640 and the PS3 version is the worst with a blur filter. Some games like fighters might look good, and PS2 and PS1 titles from the online store look pretty good, even on my 25" Panasonic using YPbPr.

>>7142215
I want blog about the dying days of one of my FW-900. This one was not in the best condition when I first got it, it was not as sharp as it cold be and it was a bit lighter on the colors than its twin, but I couldn't afford any other monitors. It worked well enough for a decade and a half but about a couple years ago it finally started showing signs it was dying. When it was turned on, it would revert right into standby/error mode. The monitor had to be turn on and get acclimated to a fully dark screen to "warm up" for a few minutes, then turned off and back onto the same black screen (I fullscreened a video at the beginning/end) for a few more minutes. Any fully white screen or overly bright image would cause it to go back to the standby/error mode. If it had properly warmed up, it could handle any image, even fully white ones, so long as it was powered on. Now even that workaround is no longer a solution to get it going. So here I am with a husk of a monitor that I have to pay money to dispose of, yet I don't have a replacement. I loved this FW-900, it was great for computer games and the 360. I wish there were someone around here that can service and revive it, as I still have not seen any monitor that's affordable which outputs a great game image. Even in its dying days it served me well.

>>7148335
people will buy it for spare parts, there is a massive demand for fw-900 replacement parts

>>7148342
So what monitor could I replace it with? No one is willing to let go of any BVMs and I won't have another monitor as fondly loved as the FW-900. My only hope is to have it fixed. I feel somewhere along the timeline, we made a poor decision to end out here.

>>7148383
well have you ever used winDAS on it?

>>7148385
I have not. Maybe though would have helped at one point. Now, I don't think it turns on anymore. It is even harder to search for people who can work on CRT monitors, it was really rare before the pandemic, now I have no idea how I can even get the thing to be serviced if such a person exists.

>>7148432
It would be very expensive but it can be done. There are people on shmup forum that will fix it up if you ask nicely and pay

>>7148335
u need to correct G2 with Windas mate.

>>7148532
It unironically does just look like it had slight geometry problems and g2 cranked up way too fucking high, genuinely always get a bit disgusted when someone who doesn't even want to take the back off to dust something has a monitor like that and keeps it in that state for like 10 years without even attempting to fix it.

>>7148525
>>7148532
I have kept my stimulus check and did my best to avoid using it so I hope that would be enough for an expert with the equipment to fix the FW900. There are so many issues, not just its electrical issues powering on, but as you can see it has those strange diagonal lines across the image. There's some cosmetic issues like the scratched anti-glare film and I suspect maybe capacitors need to be replaced. I will consider signing up for that forum, but I don't think they will trust a newcomer. I lack the technical knowledge and this G2 voltage thing is above my head, so once I find some help, I'd love to bring back this relic.

>>7148606
>but as you can see it has those strange diagonal lines
That's the fucking g2 voltage, it's retrace lines.

>>7143187
Have sex

>>7148741
I am thankful you're able to diagnose the issue it had for decades. Unfortunately, I fear for the incredible amount of electricity (voltage?) within this CRT that was still plugged in not too long ago. I have no idea how a G2 would be adjusted. I've been trying to read this old hardforum thread on this Windas, but it is really complicated. I'll continue to read the next few days to try to understand. Thank you. These pics of the FW900 were towards the end of its dying hospice days. It sounds like this could be repairable, I look forward to seeing my screen burn-in of skype and the windows taskbar again.

>>7148119
I play modern video games on a CRT monitor exclusively. And I mean, exclusively. My monitors aren't good enough to reach 1920 x 1440 though.

>>7148574
there's no G2 knob on FW900
you need to windas it

>>7148868
>I am thankful you're able to diagnose the issue it had for decades.
Mate, G2 drift on late Sony VGAs is long known

>>7148819
Don't really feel the need to, and every day that goes by it gets better. If I ever think I want a gf or I'm horny, I have a wank and the thoughts are gone. Women aren't worth it in general nowadays, to be honest. They were useful back when their role was to stay home, cook, clean, shop, do the bills and take care of the kids.

>>7148932
Did I say it was just a knob, i was agreeing with the post.
>>7148868
Why were you even playing games like this, this is horrible. The g2 thing has been known for yonks its a common problem with all models i find it hard to believe you never found this out with 2 seconds of googling.
>>7148941
Really have no idea how it's gone on this long playing like that.

>>7148974
you don't need to remove back, there's a trap for the serial connector

>>7148868
where are you located?

>>7148941
I seriously had no idea. I just thought it was because they were old. I've only ever had hand-me-down stuff.

>>7148974
Well the problem now is that when I hit the power button, it goes straight to the blinking orange led standby mode. It doesn't display anything.

>>7148987
I am in the USA.

>>7149007
Where in the USA?

>>7148383
who is that cutie

>that exposed china panty

>>7149007
Look at that atrocious black level. This is what you fags are paying thousands for? Fucking lmao

>>7149490
>

>>7147380
modded smash+dolphin that has online play and matchmaking built into the game

>>7149189
In a COVID-19 hotspot. Please understand the dilemma of being on 4chan.

>>7149357
It is one of my go-to classic Windows games called Tenshindo. It's pretty much a casual Uno game, but a fun time waster.

>>7149490
This is a dying CRT. It is not representative of a CRT in good condition, that's why I am looking for help in restoring it to a working state, and then maybe improving it from this malfunctioning state. It was $100USD when I picked it up, that's why I have two. I would say they lasted 2 decades, so that's pretty good. I just hate to see it go as it is inevitable.

>>7149702
http://www.myblog.bloggybloggy.com/?p=18
this is your problem and solution

>>7149702
>In a COVID-19 hotspot. Please understand the dilemma of being on 4chan.
Okay retard I was going to offer to repair it for you or refer you to a repair man.

>>7142215
can anyone tell me is the VGA cable for this monitor should still be working?
pins 9, 12, and 15 broke off (actually, 9 might not have been there to begin with)
from what i understand from the pinout of VGA, these aren't video or sync signals and aren't grounds, but 12 and 15 seem to be for "monitor ID". i can only assume that's for communicating information to the PC it's connected to for supported resolutions or something?
i can't test it at the moment properly, as I have a shit adapter DVI-D to VGA adapter that i dont trust entirely. im not at home, so i don't have the PC ill eventually be using this with (which has native VGA)
fwiw, this monitor was working just fine a week ago before the pins broke today.

>>7150237
It's a pretty simple fix even if it doesn't work.

>>7150402
how would i go about fixing it? just replacing the pins? or would i need to replace the entire connector?

>>7150463
Cut the fucker off and replace it. A hood/connector will probably cost $2

>>7142279
you first

>>7150480
okay, but how exactly would i replace it? obviously id need to wire the new connector, but would i use something like this: https://www.amazon.com/Twinkle-Bay-Terminal-Breakout-Connector/dp/B07F9S61QT/ref=pd_lpo_23_t_0/133-4395334-1710611?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B07F9S61QT&pd_rd_r=a784b04b-7d5e-410e-a109-91bf11e3ab37&pd_rd_w=aFi56&pd_rd_wg=rHGwM&pf_rd_p=7b36d496-f366-4631-94d3-61b87b52511b&pf_rd_r=KWHNE5K6SX81PWPQ27T3&psc=1&refRID=KWHNE5K6SX81PWPQ27T3

my only experience with soldering is high school electronics, and i don't have a soldering iron on hand; i imagine it'd look a lot like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEqDKJDEnvY

>>7150503
The connector you posted is solderless, so that would fix both your problems. It's also pretty pricey for what it is. Vga connects are pretty big, so soldering them isn't particularly hard or delicate.
https://www.showmecables.com/hd15-vga-male-solder-connector?gclid=CjwKCAiAn7L-BRBbEiwAl9UtkONHR370SHOhfSonLKz4gr8hipFb54eYLz4jjEVm30x9Lj5494_CKRoCeA0QAvD_BwE

>>7150515
ah, so i just snip the cable off and shove the wires into the holes in the green part of it? that sounds easy as shit

>>7150625
Yeah, the green part has screws to clamp down onto the wires. You may need a continuity tester to figure out what goes where if you just snip the old connector off.

>>7142269
move your speakers

>>7148335
You can definitely answer my question.
Let’s say you connect a gamecube to your FW900 for the first time, are you SUPPOSED to center and size the image or is it supposed to do that BY ITSELF with the auto feature/button?

>>7151782
Auto features never work optimally even if they are supposed to.

If anyone's interested, this is a decent price, and the only thing wrong with it is he says his dog chewed the power cord and he can't fix it

>>7151810
Why crt tv don’t have that problem tho?
If I plug a console to a tv, or many tv of the same model, the image will automatically size and center and they will all look the same. Why crt monitor don’t do that? Why do they need manual sizing and centering?

>>7151884
Somebody gave you an answer already retard

>>7151884
Because TV's generally use one single 15khz mode which is standardized and TV's are calibrated at factory to that. VGA cards can output just about whatever they wish and there are many algorithms such as GTF and CVT to calculate the actual timings. Auto calibration functions cannot actually know how the signal looks on the CRT, there are few reference modes that are calibrated at factory, and other timings are extrapolated from them, with varying degrees of success.

>>7149758
I have been trying to read up on this Windas and G2 to understand. I'm having difficulty, but hopefully in the next couple months I can break through. Bookmarked the site so I can get back to it.

>>7149978
I really appreciate your kindness. It is just that there are those on this board who dislike me and I'd prefer not to get doxxed. I intend on dedicating some of my energy to restoring this beauty.

>>7151782
There is an auto setting which is good for widescreen PC images where it bumps the image to the sides and determines a decent starting point. However, you should manually set the height and width. The monitor does remember what you did last set for this scan area per resolution, so when I turn on with a 640x400 DOS image, a 4:3 800x600, 1080p, or my computer's 1920x1200, it automatically goes back to those dimensions. I made some tiny marker indicators to what I have measured out for a centered 4:3 and 16:9 display on its bezel. That's the thing with analog displays, I mostly adjusted to what looked best to me. I am not a professional and I do not have the expertise as others do in this thread, so there may be some more advanced calibration which needs to be done for a fine image. Just yesterday I learned of this G2 and Windas thing, but I think I lack some sort of calibration equipment.

>>7150515
>Vga connects are pretty big, so soldering them isn't particularly hard or delicate.
Not sizewise, but the coax cable conductors are often notoriously thin and delicate and generally annoying to solder.

>>7151918
the basic idea is that you need a usb to ttl cable to connect your computer to a serial port in the back of the monitor. Then you use winDAS to adjust it.

I'm using a cheapo hdmi to RCA converter to display my laptop to my CRT tv. It's working fine (image is shit but that's okay) except the TV display is in grayscale. Where is the problem coming from, and how do I fix it?

>>7151918
Is this your setup? I have the exact same.
Thank you for replying me.
I knew the monitor remembers your settings for an input+resolution.
You and >>7151914 really helped me understanding why tv don’t need adjusting while monitors do. I’m glad my monitor is ok.

>>7142215
Does anybody happen to know if any of the following models support 480p?:

PVM-2950Q
PVM-2950QM
PVM-2950QJ
PGM-2950
PGM-2950E

If you could post sauce that’d be appreciated. Thank you.

>>7152053
I think you typed that into the wrong website by accident. You're looking for google.com

>>7152069
let’s see if you can find this info on jewgle kek

>>7152117
I guarantee you can find what you are looking for on the first search page of the model number

>>7152053
absolutely not

>>7151867
might be scam. this ad popped up for me in LA as being available for pick up in LA not delivery from PA.

>>7152178
how do you know?

everyone post what you're playing right now

>>7142269
>I’m a Meleer, no memes here, just the first time using a crt pc monitor instead of a crt tv.
What are you doing with a pic of my setup? But yes, you're supposed to adjust the image after you get your signal through to optimize for your source device. FW900s in particular have separate configurations for different signal resolutions.

>>7142313
Netmax 12U server rack. It's a flimsy piece of crap, but it does its job at keeping things organized and together.

>>7147529
Bite me, I like my MonHun.

>>7151928
Okay, I decided to go ahead and get that USB to TTL cable you spoke of to have ready. I'll still take the next couple weeks to research this. Since it seems like everyone says this is a well known issue, I had no clue. I was disappointed back then when this FW900 which I used as primary could not match the Viewsonic G90f I had prior.

>>7148981
Is that this little tab on the right at the back?

>>7148574
I would like to give it a through cleaning if I had the guts to remove the frame. The high amount of electricity in a CRT does put the scare in me though. So I don't know if I can just compressed air canister the boards.

>>7152045
Not really. I was trying out the OSSC there, but normally the desk is more clear. Lately it is cluttered due to the depression that my monitor is broken which will hopefully be fixed soon.

>>7152053
The PGMs will do it, but they won't do 240p/480i. Vice versa for the PVMs.

>>7152506
I miss when youtube was good and not a slow and buggy pile of code.

>>7152505
God bless you.
As I said, that wasn’t my picture, just setups I liked something about that I saved.

Do you remember if you had to optimize the signal for your gc?
Is it even connected to the fw900? If so, do you mind sharing a pic of your signal output?

give me a Intergraph Interview 28HD96 please, thanks.

>>7152913

>>7152923
thank you

>>7144128
It's so bad here in Australia, any aus anons will know what I'm talking about. Everything is fucking expensive/overpriced to shit it's ridiculous.

Around the first half of 2018 was probably the last time you could find a decent crt for free/dirt cheap. People were just getting rid of them. Then for some reason all of a sudden prices starting shooting up and now even some unknown shitty Chinese brand tube with composite only mono audio output TV will go for $50 plus with "great for retro gaming!!!" in the listing, when it reality it's just a dogshit TV.

PVMs are near impossible to find, and if you do find one, it's most likely a little overpriced 7" one. The age of cheap crt's is over.

My advice to aus anons is to get a pc crt for cheap (you can still find them), and get a retrotink/ossc. Should be good enough for all rgb gaming. If you're into light guns, try and find a cheap crt.

I don't know what it is with Aussies thinking their cheap garbage is worth gold. Fucken bogans

>>7153101
order them from japan maybe? idk m8, shit sucks

>>7153194
is the ossc the best scaler

>>7153242
its relatively cheap and gets the job done. however the gbs 8200 can be modded and apparently does an excellent job after the fact:

https://www.retrorgb.com/gbs-control-installation-overview.html

>>7153253
i just wanna use the ossc with my ps2

>>7153260
it should be ok, ps2 is a bitch and a half though, just warning ya!

>>7153671

>>7142215
>I recently picked up a Sony GDM-FW900.
Where the fuck did you find one? Also if your speakers aren't magnetically shielded they will slowly destroy your monitors. They are probably already warping them a bit.

>>7152505
see >>7154257
> if your speakers aren't magnetically shielded they will slowly destroy your monitors. They are probably already warping them a bit.
Pretty sure this shit fucked my PVM. I bought these tiny untreated steel sheets off amazon I put between my speakers and monitors. Seems to work.

>>7154257
>>7154258
In these thread there are currently 3 people with fw900s.
The anon with the plushes setup, the anon with the broken one, and OP (me).

Mine is currently not even plugged in as Im going to move soon, so thank you for the advice.

I was very lucky and found one 1h away from where I live here in Italy. It’s in amazing condition, and has been used very little as an office monitor. I got it for €650 ($700), which is way under “market-value” (but probably still a lot compared to how much it went for few years ago).

I have a question for all anons to answer, would you agree that region-free monitors either voltage-wise (such as the PVM-20L5) or standard-wise (such as the PVM-2950Q) are more valuable than monitors relegated to a specific voltage (such as a PGM-200R1J) or a specific standard, even if the latters have good qualities like bigger screens?

>>7152053
>>7152324
they don't retard
only multiformat models do

>>7154536
All pvm with a Q in their name are multiformat, that’s what the Q means.
Also, already confirmed that the PGM-2950/E and the PGM-200R1U/J/E/A do support 480p.

Thanks, retard.

>>7154601
based retard

>>7154601
>All pvm with a Q in their name are multiformat, that’s what the Q means.
wrong retard
>PGM-2950/E and the PGM-200R1U/J/E/A do support 480p.
correct

I just want a high quality consumer grade CRT but the only ones I ever see are either dogshit early 90s tier or expensive as fuck PVM shit

>>7155020
Many 80's-90's are likely better quality than lot of the newer ones.

Did anyone here get their PVMs from a broadcast station or something?

>>7155032
got mine from a hospital

>>7155026
I just can't stand the bigass curve they typically have to them, seems later 90s and onwards its a lot more common to be flatter
Either way, I aint finding shit remotely close thats a good 80s-90s one anyways

>>7155037
Did you approach the surgeons, or did you have someone you knew there? How much did you pay?

>>7155043
I saw the IT guy one day and he told me if I wanted any old equipment, I got 2 "13 " inch PVMS for 50 bucks each. This was around 2017 though

>>7155032
Got like 12 from a rental house, one for free from a friend with a director dad, found one for free on the sidewalk, one at a flea market for $5. All in the past two years, most in the past 3 months.
Small broadcast stations might have some lying around. Larger stations sold theirs off years ago to smaller rental houses and production companies.

>>7155095
>rental house
What's that, anon? A DVD rental place or something? They're still around?

>>7155101
Camera/lighting rental house, anon.

>>7155105
Nice, there's one nearby. How much did you pay for them, on average?

>>7155119
On average $60 with most of them being 20".

>>7155126
Thanks, that's a nice price.

>>7155143
Good luck. I would recommend not sperging out and spilling the beans on your video game hobby.you'll just tip then off that there maybe a second market for monitors if they don't already know.
Ask if they have any old equipment theyd be willing to sell. Don't ask specifically for crt monitors, you'll just give them a chance to look them up before you come.
It's better to have them come up with prices on the spot.

What's the best dreamcast vga cable?

>>7142269
How come your wife isn't in pic?

Anybody know what model this is? Sony WEGA Trinitron, 36". I can't figure out if it's an FS100, 130, etc.

>>7155861
I think it's a KD-36FS130. If it is, how are these things?

>>7155818
You can safely get VGA-cable from Ali if they have the same style of RCA-connectors on them.
You can get any cable if it has the same connector. These cables is of adequate quality and you don't need to worry about noise in them.

>>7155904
>don't need to worry about noise in them
What do you mean anon?

>>7155861
Does it not have some sort of print on the back close to the inputs, you dummy?

>>7155986
Have you never thought what can be wrong with cheap cables?
Answer: analog signals are interfering with each other, and if cables are cheap, then will you see noise/artefacts in video and will hear buzzing in audio.

Cables with RCA like in first pic are fine, and actually pretty expensive by Ali metrics.

>>7156007
not my picture double dummy
anyway, i picked it up. heavy sucker, but i got it home. turning it on is giving me a black screen though (nothing hooked up). could there be something wrong with it? i expected static.
should note it makes the degaussing sound among a few others.

>>7155861
>>7155884
>>7156754
Btw, it is a KV-36FS120

>>7156754
Just plug something in,it's probably fine. No disrespect but are you actually a zoomer?

>>7156792
None taken and nah, I grew up with CRTs all around the house (late 20s). All of my CRTs then had static when there was no image to display.
Anyway, turns out the tube just needed to warm up. What made you think I was a zoomer?
Related, any good step down devices to get images from my PC to the TV? everything I can find for DP/HDMI > S-VIDEO bottoms out at 480i.

>>7156875
>get images from my PC to the TV
what kind of images?
Also, why does everybody in general suddenly want to connect their pc to a tv?

>>7156902
Old video games through retroarch. Idk why other people do it, I use it so I can put my old game collection to use without destroying the lasers on my old consoles.

>>7156932
outputting 240p over a computer can be pretty difficult. On linux it's easy, but on windows you need the right drivers and hope your graphics card doesn't have any problems with them. Also, you will need an rgb to YPbPr converter, which you can find on ebay. If you have linux, you just need to use xrandr to set the right modeline. On windows, look up 'crtemudriver'. Good luck

>>7156875
Get an old ATI Radeon GPU for like $15 on ebay and use that to output 240p using crtemudriver. Google it. It's not hard at all.

>>7157219
>settling for composite

>>7157348
it outputs rgb....

>>7157581
I thought you meant one of these. I don't see a reason for getting an old card when whatever card he already has most likely works just as well

>>7158168
You wont get analog output from a modern card, if that's what anon has. Also, there's no way of getting a progressive picture from the s-video out of those cards, gotta use the DB15.

If anon wants to connect a PC to a display via composite or s-video, then a transcoder is needed to convert RGB (VGA) > NTSC video.

>>7157348
Composite can be pretty sufficient on a consumer grade CRT, too. All depends on what you are looking for.

Am I the only one who has virtually no idea what OSSC or Framemeister are? I just play on a CRT. What do they do, make LCD TVs look not totally shitty for retro vidya?

>>7158790
I think you mis-clicked anon... That was the post box on 4chan, not the search bar.

>>7158795
damn dude, you got me good

>>7158790
Nah, I'm in the same boat. I have no clue what either of those things are and just gloss right over any thread or post about them. I don't think it has anything to do with me.

>>7158790
>>7159084
basically just an upscaler that doesn't line double, so that the end result still has scanlines, plus other features like deinterlacers and shit. A computer running an emulator does the same thing

>>7158260
is there an affordable VGA to composite/s-video solution that does 240p and 480i?
i care more about 240p
i've been waiting 2 months on this dude on ebay to post a new listing of ones he makes himself and im getting impatient

>>7142860
Yeah but this guy has a 510 for sale

>>7159896
woah, 10 better...

>>7159835

Affordable? Not sure. Can you solder? https://www.retrotink.com/post/vga2ntsc-released

I made one and works great. You do need to tinker a little.

>>7160101
ugh, yeah i can, but i don't have an iron right now
ive never worked with those tiny resistors and capacitors, are those a pain in the ass?
also, is there a parts list? or do i have to use this kicad shit do see the values of everything i need?
i might just consider doing this because im sure i could get a PCB and those parts (and an iron and some solder) for a reasonable price
i just hate seeing everything like this cost $100+ and the one dude who makes and sells this shit for $50 has been out of stock for 3 months

Will getting one of these work to connect my pc to my tv? https://www.amazon.com/RadioShack-HDMI-Component-Converter-Adapter/dp/B01DE66ZNW

>>7160220
no

>>7160223
unfortunate

If I get an older card like the R7 350X can I use the DVI with crt emudriver to get the picture onto the CRT?

>>7160307
you have to check if its DVI-I and not DVI-D(igital). There should be a little cross on one side of the port

It's not an FW900 but I'm still pretty pissed off that I missed out on this one, mates.

>>7160313
Much appreciated. I found a R7 240 with VGA out I think I might get along with a Retrotek VGA - > Component converter. Does that sound good?

>>7160379
make sure the vga to component converter can output 480i and doesn't scale

>>7142860
Best I could do. Not exactly a photo but what can you do when cnet misdirects you in the wrong direction.
>>7159896
>>7160005
From what I could figure out their Diamondtron lineup went: MT-9021E>Vision Master Pro 500 (MT-9221E)>VMP 510 (A201HT)> VMP 514 (HM204DTA)
And to make it more confusing VMP 501 (A101GT) was just a smaller variant of the 510 rather than being directly related to the 500.

And just because the magazine listed the non-pro/shadowmask series that lineup should go like this: MF-8221E>MT-8721E (VM 500)>Vision Master 502 (S102GT)
Just so things are even worse the MT/MF designation they were using at the time doesn't clearly explain whether or not it would be a grille or mask. Like the MT-9021E was a 21" diamondtron, and the MF-8617 was a 17" one, yet only the aforementioned MF-8221E was a tridot. They did keep using the MF designation for shadowmasks since the Vision Master 350 had a model number of MF-8515G but swapped over to a more standardized A prefixed diamontrons and S prefixed tridots. And so far I haven't seen anything contradicting this but the 500 model was the only one to share both a pro and normal variant.

Is hot-plugging VGA monitors to PC ok?

This is from the teardown of an Akula/Typhoon class Soviet submarine, the largest sub ever made, was interested in the boat itself and found this pic of what looks to be widescreen crt monitors. Anyone have any clue what they might be?

This sub was so large it used two fusion reactors and is twice the size of the nearest equivalent US submarine, a fuckin marvel of engineering.
>>7161541
I think so but I wouldn't risk it if not necessary

>>7162284
those are 4:3

>>7162348
Those are 3:2

Getting some white specs on the N64 image running via s-video through a vcr to my JVC crt. Any idea what might be the culprit?

>>7143927
Extra warm is the patrician's choice. I personally go for an array of 800 lumen 2100K color temperature bulbs. Doesn't get much comfier than that.

>>7162393
it's like you want to live in an ocean of piss

These monitors break all the time for no good reason; good luck lol

>>7162284
>>7162348
>>7162371
Overlay I threw together quickly has pixel dimensions of 120 x 80, which is 3:2

Not scientific certainly but it may very well be the first 3:2 crt I have ever seen.

>>7162284
the military manufactured an unbelievable assload of CRTs, most of them were specialty monitors like high persistence phosphors and vector displays. Things like airplanes and vehicles needed CRTs well into the 2000s so they had crt production for the military keep going after they stopped selling them commercially

>>7149978
I saw this little guy being sold for 50€ on a local listing, thinking of buying it and putting it on my desk.
It has only RF and I have better units lying around but I absolutely love how it looks and it come with a complete service manual, would it be possible to add RGB to it?

>>7162873
>TELEFUNKEN
if you like it then get it, and yes

>>7162879
Sweet, I'll jump on it then.

>>7162905
haggle it down, there's no reason why this costs as much

>>7162959
Of course I'll try to haggle it down, wouldn't be sorry if it doesn't work tho, it's still working, has a remote and a service manual included.
Worth the price in my opinion.

>>7162873
What's the model number?

>>7163059
There's no model number on it but on the service manual it says "chassis 514".
So I assume that's it, also the board is model BS 100.

>>7163067
Looks like it's using TDA2160 colour decoder IC, which doesn't have RGB insertion inputs, so you'd have to hook up directly to the RGB stage. Scan is bad, but it seems there's provision for composite AV input option, but it might need some amplification as it seems to be 1.6Vpp instead of standard 1Vpp.

>>7163095
Thanks for decoding the runes for me anon, time for me to start studying what all that means and how I can apply everything to it.
Should be a good holiday project.

>>7160325
It could be worse. I missed an NEC XP37 Xtra for $100 once. I even had them messaging me, but they sold to somebody who wired them money on the day I was going to pick it up.

>>7152053
Your 2 2030s and 2530 are 30 years old. It can output 240p and 480i

>>7157348
composite? vga to component would be near RGB

Hello I have a Sony PVM-2130QM that is having issues. On the picture after 30 mins or so flickering lines appear and a faint cracking sound at the back of the monitor (sounds like it’s near the fly back) I’m not sure what The issue is but it doesn’t sound good. Does anybody know what the issue could be?

>>7144912
>>no free CRT monitors in my area, they're all for sale and are overpriced Dell trash
God, I wish there WERE people in my neck of the woods that want CRT tvs in general. I've got two and willing to give them away for fuckin' free.

>>7142215

I recently got a KV-20FV300 for free, any settings or adjustments to make?

>>7162845
does the military still have crt production capacity for legacy hardware or is truly OOP?

I bought a pvm because i thought it was going to be some new experience.
But i hate it cause its screen is only 9inches.

>>7160192
I was in the same boat a few months back and ended up putting that together.

Everything you need is here: https://github.com/jnftech/vga2ntsc-kicad

The parts list is here: https://github.com/jnftech/vga2ntsc-kicad/tree/master/BOM

The resistors are not hard to solder with a decent magnifying glass and a small tip. The hardest for me is always the tiny ICs. I think there's one you can skip if you don't need the SCART out.

Good luck, choom.

>>7142215
What's this input right of the VGA on the back of this Syncmaster 997MB?
>>7164246
Must be great for emulating portable games.

>>7164246
if it's a 9" composite only, you got meme'd, anon

>>7164461
H/V Sync?

>>7164469
That's H/V Sync, I guess

>>7164246
The closer you get to a CRT, the bigger it gets . . . think about it.

>>7164484
No idea what that means, where can I read more about it?

>>7164503
Horizontal/Vertical Sync.
https://www.retrorgb.com/sync.html

>>7164469
rgbhv over bnc, functionally the same as vga, usually used in professional environments.

>>7164520
>>7164538
Thanks, so there's no reason to use it over VGA.

>>7163837
>CRT tvs
Got 5 already, hence I said monitors, as in VGA ones for PC.

>>7156949
>you will need an rgb to YPbPr converter

Some Graphic Cards will output Component, they have a VIVO port (often mistaken for S-Video Out).

>>7163881
The adjustments needed (if any) vary between every single set, the analog technology amplifies the impact of unique manufacturing imperfections. How could we possibly answer your question?
It's like posting "I have a Toyota, what's wrong with it?" with no additional information or pictures.

>>7164246
Good for you, your head is on straight. At least you have the ability to admit that it's too small for you, unlike people like in pic related who are so committed to blindly chasing the PVMeme that they lose sight of reality (and the details of the games they play lol)

>>7164936
Don't get me wrong, a PVM is a nice CRT, but a nice large consumer set with component, coupled with a good RGB->YPbPr transcoder, is leagues better than a tiny PVM.
I use a Shinybow SB-2840 and it's served me well for years, but there are tons of good options these days.

>>7164246
>>7164936
lol even the 20" monitors border on too small. the only reason to go for them is if they're cheap/free and/or multiformat. The 2530s and rarer large monitors are probably the best compromise of all options.

Would anyone know how to get screenshots from games played on CRTs? I'm thinking you'd have to run the game through a vcr and wire that up somehow. Anyone have experience with this?

And a separate question, is there any real difference between component and rgb video quality or is it indistinguishable meme?

>>7165139
>is there any real difference between component and rgb video quality or is it indistinguishable meme?
For the sake of argument, they're completely and utterly indistinguishable from each-other. From what I understand, the biggest difference is component is just a touch brighter than pure RGB, but if you're using HD Retrovision cables they've got a switch on them to adjust brightness in case that bothers you. I wouldn't sweat about it.

>>7165174
Also component is sync-on-green, which from what I understand is slightly worse than composite sync but not in a way that would ever matter on a consumer set.

I couldn't get a good picture so I drew it in paint, but I was trying out wizardry 5 on my pvm and on any white vertical bars there's a gray line right beside it. I'm not even sure what this is called to try and search for troubleshooting. Does anyone have any idea?

>>7165176
actually it's mathematically the same because component gets rid of redundant information that RGB does not, so it's like a lossless compression akin to flac vs lpcm. You can fit the same information rgb carries in 4 wires down only 3 wires of comparable bandwidth

>>7165291
But in practice analogue is never lossless. Every conversion step adds noise and distortion.

>>7165298
but syncing is essentially binary, and the image data from the source is going to be processed slightly anyways.

I fucking hate these kinds of people.

>>7164936
I had a 14” Panasonic PVM that I actually got for free a number of years back. I used it in my dorm room at university and then as a desktop setup for a while. It was nice at the time, but now that I can afford my own living space, I’m much happier with the 32” JVC D-series. RGB is cool and looks impressive on camera, but sheer screen size is the way to go. Using a 9” screen on a cart like that is just stupid.

>>7142215
where do you guys get old CRTs?
how do you know if one is absolute dogshit or not?

>>7165525
There's this guy in Portland who's been offering this Hitachi monitor for 500 dollars for 2 years now. NO NEGOTIATIONS. What a stooge.

>>7165579
Municipal e-waste is a fucking treasure trove if you can get in. I’ve managed to get my hands on some really nice units checking the local bin (really a covered shipping container) about once or twice a week. That’s how I came across a Lacie Electron22Blue and an HP P1110. Obviously you can’t test these on site, and I’ve had some real shitters (there was a Dell P991 that started sparking and smoking when I tried turning it on, not good). Unfortunately the old boomer who used to work at my waste site retired, and he has since been replaced by a Bangladeshi Nazi. So I have to be way sneakier than I used to be.

Otherwise just check local classifieds often. I try to set search alerts for things like “old monitor” or “Sony monitor”, because typically “CRT” brings out the chucklefucks who want $100 for some 60 Hz flickerfest. When you go to test, be sure to bring a program like the Nokia monitor test and make sure that things like convergence and colour accuracy are good. If the tube is turned up to max brightness but is still really dim, it’s no good. Using these methods I managed to come across a Sony G500 someone was selling for $20 (it was listed as “old school computer monitor”). But sometimes this method is not enough to defeat the true autists. When I sold my LaCie, I had a guy who not only had search alerts, but also checked the classifieds manually every 3 hours. He had hoarded 11 CRT monitors at that point. Just fucking unhealthy behaviour really, like let someone else have a few for Christ’s sake. Nobody needs 11 CRTs.

>>7165579
like >>7165828 said. Use normie marketplace apps and search generic terms.

>>7164461
>magnifying glass
>tiny ICs
i wish i could get a bulkier thru-hole version of this because i hadn't even considered the ICs
is it hard because you might keep inadvertently bridging the IC's pins?

>>7165828
>When I sold my LaCie, I had a guy who not only had search alerts, but also checked the classifieds manually every 3 hours. He had hoarded 11 CRT monitors at that point. Just fucking unhealthy behaviour really, like let someone else have a few for Christ’s sake. Nobody needs 11 CRTs.
do you think that behavior comes from a fear that one day no CRTs will be available?
like, couldn't you just get one, learn how to repair it, and be set for 30k power-on hours? id think that someone that autistic enough to buy 11 CRTs would be willing to learn to repair them

Is there a way to connect a modern pc (gpu outputs hdmi and dysplayport) to a scart rgb consumer crt TV? I would like to play some games with dolphin, ecc...

>>7166371
sorry, only one response to this question per thread

>>7162393
>>7143927
I never considered this before, but it makes sense. Nowadays all lights are super white. I'm sure warmer lights would be more comfy.

>>7164936
>>7164949
>>7165012
What many redditors and the like don't understand is that those small PVMs and BVMs are low resolution (400 TVL, typically) and look pretty damn close to larger CRT TVs which have slightly lower or comparable TVL. It's the HR Trinitron monitors that are good. HR sets usually have a TVL of 600-900, which is exceptionally sharp and blows TVs out of the water.

>>7166546
a 400 tvl 9"er will probably look sharper than a 600 tvl 20"er because it is so small

>>7165610
This reminds me of the boomers in my hometown who post rusted-to-shit Muscle cars in the local town hall classifieds board. They all want $30k+ for complete wrecks, because “I know what I got”. Last time I went home I remember one guy (who has been trying to sell a MkI Mustang for 4 years) complaining about how his landlord was threatening to tow it.

>>7166351
Might be fear of not having a CRT in the future. But the units themselves will degrade over the decades, so unless you learn to do some basic soldering, then it’s just lazy autism.

>>7166829
right, just just by knowing how to repair it (really it seems capacitors are 80% of the issues with these things) and owning a set or two seems like the way to go
right now i have a magnavox that probably needs to be recapped and a packard bell monitor that's good so far; until one of them becomes too difficult to repair, i don't care to hoard any more

got a regular tv, using an hdmi-yellow/white/red adapter to watch anime on it
anything to watch for? will this ruin the image at all?

>>7166330
I don't think you will find thru-hole video encoders . . .

Totally depends on your skill with small parts, Anon. It's really easy to bridge pins without a good technique. Just make sure you use flux.

>>7166351
>do you think that behavior comes from a fear that one day no CRTs will be available?

It's a Self-fulfilling prophecy unfortunately. I'm going to keep on collecting them because I live in the middle of nowhere and haven't seen any evidence anyone else wants them. I don't want them chucked into a skip or put onto the slow boat to China. If in the future I see people near me looking for them on Freecycle then I'll let some go for free - I'm not sitting on a Shipping container full of them.

>>7164461
man I could easily solder that but what worries me is not having all the right parts

>>7166843
There was a point in time I had 6 screens laying around so I get the impulse - "each of them is different!" although most were inexcusably shitty.

>>7168135
I currently have 7 with 3of them being exactly the same, bvm-d20f1u. The rest are a mix of above average production monitors. I know it's stupid, I just haven't finalized my setup yet so I'm holding on to everything until I do.

>>7167671
This is sort of the same as my deal. I live basically in the middle of nowhere, but I have 40 acres of land and plenty of sheds. Whenever I see a CRT come up near me, I take the really good ones to use, and the more mediocre ones I keep in the shed (I also have a bunch of older, interesting computer equipment- a G3 AIO Power Mac, a few Amigas, etc). If I didn't take them, they would go to the county's waste centre, where they'd cut the cords off and then just stack CRTs in a warehouse. At least the way I'm doing it, they may find some use again.

I post the mediocre monitors for free every now and again, and sometimes you will get a retro enthusiast who comes to get one. I'm perfectly willing to let them go, I just don't want them to be destroyed.

Spent like an hour trying to fix this CRT and it's still rather fucked.
Wouldn't even bother if it didn't wasn't a 60hertz capable set which are kinda rare here in europe.
It looks fine in some games like this, just rather blurry since composite only but in others like Super Mario 64 it is absolutely beyond fucked cause the reds go wild.

>>7168849
And here's a picture of the problem in action. If I set contrast/brightness/saturation even at anything above really low then it gets these awful red lines all over the place. For some reason this is less of an issue in some games like Sonic and Ristar but the 240p test suite color bar test still did show the issue.
In Mario 64 I also get a ghost mario as if seeing double. My understanding is that I might have a convergence issue? But after quite a while fucking around with the rings I've only slightly improved the situation.

>>7168864
CRT EOL or color decoder/RGB stage caps.

>>7154294
Nice B&O, I have a MX6000 of which I fucked up the geometry settings

>>7168990
>color decoder/RGB stage caps
How do I find those?
No service manual available for this model from what I can find.

>>7169072
What model?

>>7169086
Panasonic TC-1100EUN

>>7169072
Try following red/green/blue wires from the crt neck board.

>>7165525
>RETRO GAYMEN
>that'll be $300 + shipping and handling + tip :)

>>7169072
have you checked SAMS technical publishing?
https://www.samswebsite.com/
they have a manual for my shitty magnavox PR1914C121 which i consider to be a miracle of god
https://www.samswebsite.com/en/photofact/search?t=model&o=0&k=pr1914&submit=Search&s=Search

>>7169416
SAMS has primarily American stuff.

This site claims to have it, but it's not scanned yet.

https://freeservicemanuals.info/en/servicemanuals/viewmanual/Panasonic/TC1100EU/None/None/X12ACHASSIS/

So I know upscaling usually causes input lag, but what about downscaling?
I just bought an HDMI to S-video converter for retroarch usage and I'm curious about how much lag I'd have to worry about.

>>7169592
Actually, if I set the fullscreen resolution to whatever S-video puts out, shouldn't there be any scaling at all?

Meri Kurisumasu

Meri Kurisumasu

>>7169603
There shouldn't, but in practice converters always output asynchronously from their own framebuffer and apply some shitty blurring deflicker-filtering, overscan compensation and there's always at least one frame lag and broken interlace. Some graphics cards with S-video outputs using can be encouraged to output plain modes with hacks, but otherwise the only cheap way to get decent output is with custom modeline from (HDMI-)VGA and RGB-NTSC/PAL conversion in analog domain with some DIY solution using CXA1145 or similar encoder.

>>7169716
I wish this shit could just be simple, man.
I got this samsung TXN2730F with terrible overscan and was hoping I could just use retroarch to avoid that issue.
Most people I talk to tell me to access the setup, but that in itself seems to be a rabbit hole in itself.

>Don't have a remote, can't find it for my model online.
>Don't know if other remotes work
>heard you can only fix one of the axis' on CRT's anyway.
>give up, go back to facebook marketplace
>no fucking clue with of those tv's won't have overscan
>rince and repeat

>>7169784
>Don't know if other remotes work
Get a universal remote app if you have an IR blaster on your phone. In not, there's cheap ones that go on the aux or USB-C port.

>>7169784
Vertical size at least is adjustable and you can compensate for horizontal overscan by using overly wide horizontal resolution.

>Found a Sony KV-32FS320 on Craigslist for $10
>Couldn't get it because the dolly lift doesn't fit in my car
>Thing was stored in the dude's basement
>Roommate and I too boney weak-ass skeletons to carry something that heavy together
Well, hopefully there's someone in this damn town that can make use of it and enjoy it. Shucks that I to turn it down.

>>7168849
>Wouldn't even bother if it didn't wasn't a 60hertz capable set which are kinda rare here in europe.
nearly every set is 60hz able
50hz marking on the back is only mains power.

>>7169831
Yes, but not many older sets can decode NTSC.

>>7142215
Why would anyone want this old piece of crap?

>>7169839
many mid 90s and beyond sets can do NTSC through front RCA or scart adapter
or do RGB and bypass NTSC all together

>>7169856
True, but I much prefer those older sets with modular design and not everything on single jungle ASIC.

>>7169603
>>7169716
>RGB-NTSC/PAL conversion in analog domain with some DIY solution using CXA1145 or similar encoder.

How would this work exactly? I'm lookin at pic related and this site and getting confused:

https://console5.com/wiki/CXA1145#S-Video_and_Composite_Video_Mod_PCB_install_notes

>>7169913
There are probably better chips with smaller external component count than CXA1145, it was just one that came into mind first. AD725 for example is probably better. You need to build the whole application circuit described in the datasheet.

>>7143492
I think I have the same one. Mine is KV-27v40. Check out the back.

>>7169935
What is the DL on that schematic? Why are the Luma and Chroma IN and OUTS touching eachother?

Man I feel dumb

>>7169976
https://console5.com/techwiki/images/f/fb/CXA1145PM.pdf

Luma delay and chroma band pass filtering is done with external components and then passed to amp stage inside the IC which outputs to the composite out.

Probably better to forget CXA1145 unless you can butcher one out from something with those components as the delay line is probably hard to come by nowadays. AD725 only requires a crystal oscillator and some resistors and capacitors.

https://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/data-sheets/AD725.pdf

>>7170005
are you an EE?

>>7170105
No, just crazy.

>>7170113
jej

Would you grab this if you could get it for free?
It has two component video and two S-video inputs as well.

>>7170448
is it HD?

>>7170475
Yes, 1080i/720p/480p all available
I also have component cables for my PS2, Wii, Xbox and currently have them on a shitty flat panel. My CRT is S-Vid so I have GC/N64 hooked into it.

>>7168849
It has to be blurry for that effect to work though.

Why do so many crts paradoxically seem to have washed out colors and lackluster contrast? When my family first switched over to lcd my first uninformed reaction was how the blacks actually looked solidly black instead of an off gray. Is there some specific malfunction that happens? Glare?

Why do so many crts paradoxically seem to have washed out colors and lackluster contrast? When my family first switched over to lcd my first uninformed reaction was how the blacks actually looked solidly black instead of an off gray. Is there some specific malfunction that happens? Glare? We did always have off brand Emerson tier tvs.

>>7170448
probably play stuff on it

>>7170448
No because it's not an sfp model

>>7170502
If it's HD then no

>>7170626
Couldn't you just use an OSSC to eliminate the lag from the CRT itself upscaling everything?

>>7170691
If you wanted to pay an additional obscene amount.

>>7168864
>>7168990
So I think I've somewhat narrowed down the problem.
While messing with the convergence rings and rbg pots inside has somewhat mitigated the issue, I noticed that overdriving the signal using some funny hardware, I could also get the issue going. I suspect reason I see much worse issues with N64 than Mega Drive is cause N64 signal is much hotter?
Since it's highly dependant on the input signal this makes me think the tube itself is thankfully not quite dying yet and it's probably just a matter of tracing down the right caps/resistors and replacing them. In the mean time, could I just place a resistor in line with the video signal to step it down a bit?

>>7170930
Oh and worth noting that while in Mario 64 it's only the red that's the problem, in the PS2 menu it's blue and in some other games it's white like the menus in Wipeout 64. which further makes me think it's not the tube itself.

>>7164474
It has rgb. I guess. Its good for recording videos in high quality gameplay if you want. Its a trinitron.

>>7170691
I don't think there's any feasible way to make that tv produce a progressive image, so 240p will never ever look right no matter what you try

>>7142215
What should the RGB ratio on a PC monitor be? I just turned up everything to a 100.
Contrast and brightness, too.

>>7159835
groovymame/crtemudriver or groovyarcade + a cheap radeon card and an rgb to whatever monitor/transcoder, the weiya cv04 works well, and there a shit ton of others, I think sega makes a scart rgb to component adapter too

>>7172516
also, the cheapest would be to rgb mod a consumer tv and use groovy arcade, then you have on the fly resolutions/refresh rates that are arcade/console correct, and no need for a transcoder

>>7172516
>>7172551
yeah, im already aware of how to get 240p out, i've got everything else ready *except* an actual VGA to composite solution
>the cheapest would be to rgb mod
im not nearly skilled enough to modify my RF only CRT (not super interested in getting another either), and it'll be a while before i even attempt to replace the capacitors on it
>groovyarcade/groovymame
isn't this pretty much only for arcade games? i'm not too interested in playing those on my TV, ive got a VGA CRT monitor for that
i was planning on using retroarch CRTswitchres with crtemudriver installed

>>7172761
>VGA to composite solution
well you can make a vga breakout cable that will go to a transcoder, the weiya one is decently easy to use, it even has svideo, I use an audio authority one, but it only outputs component, but does use the vga style plug on the input which is easy, I think I found it for like $60

>>7172790
link for the weiya cable?
i have an s-video to composite cable that would probably work (im using an RF modulator for my TV)

>>7172803
https://www.sintron.co.uk/products/sintron-weiya-cv-04-rgbs-rgb-cga-arcade-jamma-game-to-tv-composite-video-converter-mame

it converts rgb to svid and composite, and requires a 12v power source which you can get from your computers' supply

>>7172812
Its been awhile since I've used mine, I can't remember the sync situation, but I'm pretty sure one of the input connectors accepts separate h and v syncs which a graphics card will put out, idk, forever I've been using an extron rgb 201rxi interface right after the computer to adjust whatever needs be

>>7164469
>great for emulating portable games.

I thought of that too before. I just didnt want to mention it earlier. Cause i dont play them yet. It would be great for super game boy.

>>7169818
>KV-32FS320

I had one of these when I was in university, just because the previous tenants left it behind. It was a pretty good set for free, but I remember the geometry was always kind of off. Maybe I just didn't know how to fix it at the time, but a lot of people seems to think the geometry on flat trinitrons is permafucked.

I personally preferred my parents' KV-35V45, or my current JVC AV-36D104. The curved screens on both were much nicer overall.

Also, protip, use shoulder dollies to move these large things. My friend and I managed to get the JVC moved without much trouble, just felt like giving a slightly fat girl a piggyback ride.

>>7170448
I have a friend (same guy who helped me move the JVC) who uses one of these (or something similar) for his modern consoles. Honestly you are better off with a plasma screen, because (a) neither have motion blur, (b) both have input lag, (c) both have great blacks, and (d) the plasma is 140 pounds lighter and takes up way less space. So essentially an HDCRT has all the drawbacks of a Plasma without any of the benefits.

I have a 14L5, a Dell Ultrascan P110, Sony GDM- C520, Sony CPD-400GS, and a Sony 20M2MDU. They are all great monitors

But the things I would do for a 20L5 and an FW900.

Is a bvm-d20f1u a reasonable straight across trade for a fw900?

>>7173542

Yes and no
They are both outstanding monitors depending on your application of each. I personally would keep the BVM over trading it for an FW-900.

Never used CRTs after my childhood but now I'm renting out a place with picrelated. Do I plug my PS2 into it or into a modern LED mointor? I really know nothing on this topic but since it's a run of the mill TV I'm assuming it's not a good CRT worth using

How do i get my ntsc crt to output rgb?

I use it for my GameCube and ps2

>>7173749
It’s gonna be 480p 4:3 anyway, just use the crt

Anon above here, how the FUCK ado you guys know all the makes and models of crts? I just like the aesthetic

>>7174043
This thread isn't the right place for you, try posting on reddit, you will fit right in.

>>7174064
Try? Pfft

>>7173749
100Hz isn't ideal but still should look pretty good, give it a go

PS1 games don't look too incredible on my CRT, but I am using composite since it's all I have for now. Considering picking up Retrovision Component cables for a PS2, are they any good?

>>7174840
buy a chink cable from aliexpress for 2 dollars and I guarantee you 100% it will look good. I have been using it for years and with no problems or artifacts.
Don't fall for the soi meme which is super ultra retrovision cable which cost too fucking much for a damn cable,

>>7175070
The main problem with those cheap unshielded cables is that video signal leaks to audio, creating horrible hum.

>>7175265
They are shielded, at least the one I own. I had no problems with any hums or buzzing.

>>7175362
>>7175265
this is not a problem with component signals
it is with RGBS if composite video is used as sync because 3mhz subcarrier. Workaround is using Luma as sync.

btw PS1 can't do component. PS2 retrocompat with component cable works but may flat panels don't accept 240p over component

>>7173764
Anyone have the full version of this?

>>7174840
I read that as
L O R D
S A V E
at first glance

I've heard some of the newer Trinitons are no good. How is this? Saw it on my local FB for $20
Sony FD Trinitron 36" Flatscreen
VEGA KV-36FV27

It has Composite, Component, and S-Video inputs

>>7175950
It's probably got bad geometry, but that can be fixed or at least improved with the service menu. As long as it isn't an HD model (which it doesn't appear to be), it's probably pretty good. I have a similar model and it's really nice.

>>7175950
Most of what you hear about newer Trinitons not being good is biased BS. I just got a 200lb 32 inch 2005 Trinitron with the HDMI port in the back given to me last week. And hooking up a SNES with just Composite looks fucking Legit Perfect. Sure it needs a little fine tuning to square it to studio standards, but man. The text is f'n amazing. And playing Gradius 3 on it was a dream.

Hey guys, I just got a GVM 2110QM for 10$. Any info on this one?

it snowed today :)

>>7176573
dangerously based and soulpilled

>>7176573
Is it just me that hates seeing the lit dots on the four sides on the black part? I always adjust the image to not show on those. What are they for? To know where the centre is?

>>7173060
>shoulder dollies
Shit's fuckin' witchcraft! Had no idea these things existed.

>>7175950
Go for it, but keep in mind they're heavy as fuck. My 24 inch Vega is nearly 200 pounds. Games look wonderful on it, and the colors really are wonderful, even through composite.

who else /tinytv/ here?

>>7176573
You that Ratchet & Clank anon? I like when you post.
>>7176724
Got a 14" Toshiba by my bed, intend to play some Chrono Cross and FFIX on it when I get a pair of headphones I ordered.

>>7176724
hell yes

>>7177413
can you finally switch discs?

>>7177848
Not sure if I'm the right anon but yes I'm about to finish disc 2. I was having trouble with bad ISOs but I found a good torrent

Finally managed to get a CRT monitor. It's a Packard Bell and it has speakers, which I know of because the VGA lead has an aux cable at the end. The speakers don't seem to work, and after running for a bit it started making an interference noise and there's sort of a burning(?) smell coming from the vents on the up/back side. Is this normal? I remember them having a distinct smell and making noise, but I don't want my house burning down.
I'm also thinking it might be because it was outside on the rain. I left it on the sun today all day long, but I'll leave it by a dehumidifier overnight just to be sure.

>>7179487
No, a burning smell is NOT normal. Especially if it's coming from the vents, that thing is dangerous. Might be salvageable, but I would open it up and inspect the circuitry for obvious signs of failure (ruptured capacitors, charred/deformed wire casing) before plugging it in again. And probably doesn't need to be said, but don't be poking your fingers around things while it's open unless you know your way around CRTs, because that's a good way to get shocked.

>>7179663
Well, fuck me. There's no other monitors near me and I've been looking for months, so I guess I'll take a look inside. I'll let it discharge overnight.

>>7175563
Me too.

>>7179710
>I'll let it discharge overnight
Still not safe. It can stay charged for weeks

>>7179487
Maybe it's just burning dust, my crts have some smell and I think that's the cause. I wouldn't worry about it unless there is visible smoke coming out.
>I left it on the sun today all day long
That can't be good, the UV light will ruin the plastics and screen.

>>7180028
>That can't be good, the UV light will ruin the plastics and screen.
Chill. It's Winter sun from England. It does hardly any damage. Plus, I wouldn't bring it home all wet.

>>7142231
FW900 is a meme but CRTs in general aren't.

I got an XBR960. Didn't come with the stand. The set is like 42inches wide and 200lbs+. What kind of furniture can support this and where can I get said furniture. preferably something lower to the ground

>>7180797
that thing is so beautiful for blu rays on ps3. i've had two of them. sadly, i let both of them die because i didn't want to solder the chip fix on them or move them ever again. paid someone $60 to come take them away

>>7180797
use a heat gun and some ethanol to remove the shitty plastic layer and glue from your tube and it'll look better than you ever remember a tube looking it looks like great art or something

This 20” Sylvania is free, is it worth 30 minutes there and 30 minutes back?

Anyone know what the load bearing ability of the OG xbox is?

Also is there any way to fix the interlacing using one of those cheap RCA to VGA boxes?

Would I needed a modded xbox for that? Genma onimusha is the only game not available on another platform now. Very sad that capcom sucks.

Video options on the xbox just change the display to letterbox or widescreen

>>7181493
>Anyone know what the load bearing ability of the OG xbox is?
I have a PS4 and a PS3 stacked on top of mine and it's fine.

>>7181532
Now if I could just find a pdf of the old strategy guide for the game my collection would be complete...

>>7181412
no, its a shit tube

>>7180797
>What kind of furniture can support this and where can I get said furniture
Old furniture from charity shops. New and durable is expensive.

>>7181532
https://www.gamesdatabase.org/game/microsoft-xbox/genma-onimusha

I'm the anon with the monitor that has a burning smell. Guess I found the problem. That's a leak, right? Is it fixable, or too much work for a Packard Bell?

>>7183087
That's a transformer. And that substance more likely is just glue from factory.
Leaks and stink are doing of capacitors. You won't spot it like that.

>>7148119
>>7152053
>>7152505
>>7163780
>>7163837
>>7164246

>>7183196
Thanks. If a capacitor is bad, doesn't it mean something won't work? Because the monitor works fine, apart from the audio not working. Maybe it's a capacitor for that?

>>7183354
Very may be.
It may be hard to spot which one is leaking.
Check how people repair or find them, channels: 1) Retro Tech, 2) 12voltvids. Second one is more down to Earth, check some random vids, there's many PSU related problems with caps.

>>7183530
I've smelled and listened to my TV and it's the same. Turns out it's just ozone, but the monitor leaks more. Also found out there's no speaker inside, it's just an audio passthrough. Guess I'm good. Been running it for a few hours and no weird noises nor flickers.
Now I'm trying to get Dreamcast and Saturn emulators to work.

>>7170180
Jay?

>>7184867
Uh yeah?

>>7184882
It's Ivan, I'm investing in crt's rn, any way 2 chat? I have a bunch of cool shit as well i wanna show.

Also uyy

>>7153902
JEWGOY ITS ME KUSH

Jay i found literally 6 imac g3's i wanna get, guy is literally selling them as a collection for peanuts.

>>7170180
Looks like a dirty med, automatically a -5 attractiveness

>>7153902
jay come back to sup its fucking christmas already for Christmas sakes

>>7184928
jg lmao @killyourselfzonk COME HOME FOR CHRISTMAS JG

>>7184928
dear jewishgoyim, it has been 194 days since you have left with no warning. a lot has changed in these past few months, some things for the better and somethings for the worse. where have you been, my dearest friend? i hope this letter finds you well. sincerely, kushmaster666

kush
IS
PUSH!!!

the picture isn't the breast, but the authenticity is

Guys my CRT is arcing... what the fuck do I do?