/vr/ - Retro Games

The failure comes from not maintaining a spot as a console developer after being so popular so long. They fucked the Dreamcast with the 32x/CD if you follow the dominos.

>>7113237
>popular for so long
3 years

>>7113218
Sega dominated from 1987 until 1995. Cope and dilate banana republic amerimutt

Sammy has taken DC
Taken Suzuki
Taken my Yuji
Taken my 'cades
Taken my legs
Taken my soul
Left me with life in HEEELLLAA

>>7113276
Sega was #1 in the west only (not worldwide) between 1991-1994

>>7113287
You will never be a real woman. You will never pass.

>>7113316
You will never have sex. You will never procreate.

>>7113218
Cope harder Sega fag. Sega got btfo by Nintendo.

>>7113316
This is a certainty.
>>7113320
Most people, even incels, get over their unlucky phases or settle at the least.

It's not looking good for you transtrash.

>>7113331
Have sex

>>7113331
In you head in your head trannies trannies trannie-ie-ie-ie

>>7113218
kek. I like my Sega shit but that was funny. What's almost as funny is how EOPs consider the Saturn a failure when it was a massive success here.

>>7113953
>massive success
yeah, selling 5m units in japan (1/3rd of how many japs bought a super famicom) is such a huge success ...
hell, even the fucking pc engine outsold the shiturn there, lmao.

Sega's only mistake was changing the name of the SEGA System™ to Sega Master System. From that point everyone who was expecting the Master system bundle with Safari Hunt and the Light Phaser became severely disappointed.

>>7113237
LOL they would have been better off if they just skipped the Saturn and went straight from Genesis + addons to Dreamcast

>>7114140
Nobody cares about your memes, but it's funny seeing you sperg out day after day. How much longer do you think you will keep doing it? When will be the last time?

>>7114140
America wanted the one good 80's shmup that was made inaccessible to 99% of Master System owners as a mail-order exclusive. Tonka was such a mess.

>>7113218
>they simply couldn't compete anymore.
So.....they FAILED to remain competitive?

>>7113218
Nothing wrong with that, they had a few really good years.

I would say that microsoft didn't compete but bought themselves into the market, they sold the original xbox at a massive loss and lost even more during the red ring fiasco. Compared to sega which started small and built themselves up over the years. Any other company would have made the sensible decision to exit the market but microsoft was able to use their monopoly to stay in the market. I would say that no matter how much a console sells, it is a failure if you have to give it away to people.

As for newer consoles, they are pretty close to not really even being consoles in the traditional sense since its just a modified pc arcitecture. Old consoles used common processors but were really tuned for gaming so you could really say they were dedicated gaming machines. In that sense there is no real point in sega making a new console since they would be pretty much forced to do the same x86 architecture anyway.

>>7114157
I was wondering what would happen if they launched dreamcast first in america and let saturn go a bit longer in japan but then I think as soon as ps2 came out sega would be done for in japan.

I think the saturn could have had the potential to a genesis/snes situation which would have been good, saturn started off pretty good from what I've seen of old magazines.

>>7114223
Microsoft still haven't made a cent.

>>7114223
>I think the saturn could have had the potential to a genesis/snes situation which would have been good, saturn started off pretty good from what I've seen of old magazines.
The Saturn was doomed to fail.
The design of the system was horribly botched, and they rushed it out the door thinking they could kill the Playstation by beating them to market.
And then E3 happened. Sega died from a combination of hubris and gross incompetence, and frankly they got what they deserved.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExaAYIKsDBI

>>7113218
Wrong, the Master System was quite successful in Europe

>>7113218
This is true lol
Except people forget that SMS was popular in places people didn’t give a fuck about like Europe and Brazil

>>7114310
yeah, they were decently successful until sony killed the dreamcast, and had a massive success with the genesis where they were at the top for a couple of years. that's what i was trying to say. but later on, "decently successful" was simply not enough anymore.

>>7113953
Saturn was a success in Japan only in the early years until FFVII came which fucked the Saturn’s shit up in Japan so badly they put the Dreamcast into pre-production

>>7114373
Serious question, why did FFVII not get a Saturn port? Did square have an exclusivity contract with Sony? Earlier FF games were on Nintendo consoles.

>>7114441
The Saturn's 3D capabilities simply weren't up to the task.
It's also why the Saturn ports of big arcade hits like Virtual Fighter and Daytona USA were such disappointments.

>>7114468
VF2 was excellent, only the original one was shit.

>>7114468
daytona was incredibly bad. its saving grace was the soundtrack.

>>7113218
It's a failure because it was entirely caused by their own poor decisions. Sega in the mid to late 90s is a laundry list of the most patently retarded corporate decisions imaginable, and every single one of them was retarded at the time they were made instead of having the benefit of hindsight.

>>7114468
Those ports were shit because they were rushed. VF2, Fighting Vipers, Sega Rally, Last Bronx, etc were better because they took advantage of the Saturn's architecture.

SEGA would have been forced to exit the console manufacturing business one way or another. No way they could long term take on the likes of the Sony corporation let alone Microsoft.
SEGA was too volatile, outside home console manufacturing they had arcades and some Sega themed resorts as "backup revenue" and arcades in general have never stopped declining. They had a failed venture into digital cameras 95-98 and that was it.

>>7114895
The Saturn's architecture was garbage, and they were too far along in development to do anything meaningful about it when they realized just how garbage it was.
They thought that being first on shelves would be enough to beat Sony, and.....well, see the video in >>7114276 to see how that worked out.

>>7115003
For some reason, people cannot wrap their heads around this. Sega at their peak net worth around 93-95 was still nowhere near Nintendo. Look at Amd all, it took was that shitshow Bulldozer and the company was close to bankruptcy, they were only saved by their past Ati acquisition.

>>7114140
You really think it wasn't called Sega Master System? are you retarded?!?!?

>>7115018
its architecture wasnt garbage at all but just made at the wrong time and wrong market, the 3d aspect of it was shite and rushed in but as a 2d machine and as was in mind an arcade porting dream it was amazing but outside of that no one could program it.

>>7115018
Nigger how does that refute what I said about the later ports being better than the first round of shitty VF and Daytona ports?
>see this video of thing everyone knows about
Yes we know about $299. Got any other secrets like Stollar saying Saturn was not out future?

>>7114032
>only one thing can be successful
>there is only one way to measure success
Pretty cringey zoomlogic kiddo

>>7114373
Yeah, Sony really dominated. Probably the main reason the number of titles released for the N64 and GC combined is less than for the Saturn.

>>7114468
>The Saturn's 3D capabilities simply weren't up to the task.
That's bullshit, a game like FF7 was tailor-made for a console like the Saturn with quasi-3D/2D environments.

>>7114468
... But most of FF7 was still 2D. Its 3D assets were unimpressive even at the time. Anything can play FMVs

>>7116689
FF7's battle models have a lot of polys. I thought they looked cool when I played it as late as 2000 on PC.

>>7113218
>Mega CD
>32X
>North American Saturn launch
>Saturn support outside of Japan

They were on top and they kept fucking it up, it's not just one mistake but one after the other, it's like they purposefully tried to kill their brand.

>>7114468
>It's also why the Saturn ports of big arcade hits like Virtual Fighter and Daytona USA were such disappointments.
Except nobody thought this. Model 2 hardware was expensive. There's a reason the arcade version of Virtua Fighter 2 looked better than Tekken 3, a game which came out 3 years later. Getting the Saturn version to run 60fps at 720p was a technical feat in and of itself.

>>7113218
they've consistently been doing fine as a game developer which is what they are. obviously they can't complete with tech empire megacorps like sony. it's like reeing at capcom for not beating out the iphone's sales

>>7116712
Mega CD is great hardware. They couldn't get decent third parties to support it and it got flooded by shovelware.

>>7116805
>Mega CD is great hardware
Sure. It's just a shame Sega never made a console that could work well with it. lmao

>>7113218
>Never the company
>Never drew a dime
>Never had a good game before 2005 and even then was carried by vastly superior games
>Never put anyone over
>Never had the balls to step out their Japan comfort even when Microsoft threw millions at them when the company needed it
>Instead, allowed themselves to get worked into a shoot by pachinko money marks
>Main evented the lowest drawing console generation
>Tanked the buyrate of Saturn outside Japan so hard it also tanked Dreamcast's buyrate, leading to the company quitting the console business
>Was barely ever supported by anyone because the company was never a big enough deal
>So stubborn it refused outside help from others when developing Saturn's architecture
>Only the 6th best arcade developer
>Only the 7th best console manufacturer
>Only the 9th best gaming mascot
>Only the 5th best rhythm game developer
>The company's mascot, Sonic the Hedgehog, was utterly BTFO by everything else and achieved nothing notable unless fans have 100% creative control on him
>Japanese and American branches constantly headbutts each other in backstage politics all up the ass
>Needed misleading performance enhancement advertising to beat SNES
>Bought Atlus, the company's only positive impact on the business, purely for the crossovers and weeb appeal
>Spent the rest of company's life carried by weebs and nostalgiafags
>Is the gaming equivalent of that one insufferably mediocre developer whose sole professional """""""achievement"""""" is staying in the same shitty business for years
>The biggest impact the company had on the business was sitting around in the back and telling one of their regional divisions to job to each other.

>>7118158
>Needed misleading performance enhancement advertising to beat SNES
>misleading
It really was significantly more powerful than the SNES though.

>>7113316
And you will never be a real man.

>>7113218
>>7113237
SNK sends their regard!

>>7113238
how many companies can you say had a DEDICATED fanbase, one that would fight for endless hours over the internet and still persist to this day. Despite its obvious mismanagement and constant drop of quality in products