/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT PROJECT ===
500ml of /vr/
BETA: https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/7041037/#7043379
https://discord.gg/F968y8Wj4x

=== NEWS ===
[11-20]Nightdive working on a Powerslave: EX PC and console enhanced edition
https://twitter.com/ThrowbackCorp/status/1329889365447897091?s=19

[11-19]POWERSLAVE: Exhumed is finally commercially released on GOG (DOS version only)
https://www.gog.com/game/powerslave

[11-18](released 4 days ago)Doom Free Roam pack, turns Doom 1 and 2 into a single istance open world game
https://www.moddb.com/mods/doom-free-roam-pack/news/doom-2-open-world-maps

[11-18](a month late)Eternity Engine 4.01 was released last month and it flew under everyone's radar.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/117429-eternity-engine-40100-tyrfing/

[11-18]Daerik does World 1st Sunlust D2All-UVMax
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/807388877
[YouTube] Sunlust D2All UV-Max in 4:23:47

[11-18]The DOOM 64 source code reverse engineering for the real N64 hardware finally released by GEC.
https://github.com/Erick194/DOOM64-RE

[11-15]New progs_dump id1 styled map released:
https://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61976

[11-14] LA Tailor Girl updated:
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=58343&p=1173135#p1173135

[11-10] Serious Sam Collection coming to Switch November 17
https://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/serious-sam-collection-switch/

[11-7] Judge Doomer updates his alpha:
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/7059484/#7059803

[11-7] 2048 units of /vr/ mappers start Temporal Tantrum project:
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/7059484/#7059720

[11-6] Guncaster 3.777 released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=37066&p=1172380#p1172380

[11-4] Faithless (Heretic megawad) - beta released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/117375/

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The team behind Rise of the Triad called itself The Developers of Incredible Power (DIP). Its name was created by Tom Hall, the lead designer of ROTT. Other members of DIP included Mark Dochtermann, Jim Dose, Steve Hornback, Chuck Jones, Nolan Martin, Tim Neveu, William Scarboro, Joseph Selinske, Susan Singer, and Marianna Vayntrub. Rise of the Triad was the only game released by DIP. A second game that was planned, Prey, never took off, but its title and parts of the original design were eventually recycled by Human Head Studios. The team was disbanded, and some of the members worked on the bestseller Duke Nukem 3D. Others started their own companies or left the computer games business. Scarboro died from an asthma attack in 2002.

>>7110201
Based Triadposter

Here's to another comfy thread frens

>>7110184
Man that game really traumatized you.
Same with RE4.

>>7110201
The actual Triadposter was posting stuff from Joe Siegler's blog and ROTT in Hell. Honestly I like the posts because most people aren't going to actually go read either of these but they are interesting facts. This is someone else though as that guy never posted stuff from Wikipedia, I checked. I suspect Australia-kun is again bandwagoning on something to troll with like he did with Speccyposting.

>>7110182
I can remember using an actual search interface, it wasn't on the board but it was a seperate page that let you search files that were on /rs/ I think. I actually remember getting Duke3D off of it.

What are some good metropolis/big city wads for DOOM?

Blood > SW > DN3D

>>7110214
I'm a fan of the Half-Life thread titles, the OP might as well have a little fun while those one or two retards keep shitposting bait all over /VR/.

>>7110291
I'm curious about this too, I'd like to see a map similar to the Downtown but with better/more 'modern' execution.

>>7110291
Don't know about big, but Hellbound's first few maps are good city levels.

That free roam pack any good?

>>7110291
>>7110347
Plutonia's Odyssey of Noises is a good start.

>>7110296
Ah yes, opposite day.

>>7110291
I haven't played the entire pwad, but Sacrament has possibly the most famous city level outside of the IWADs.

>>7110296
Its hard to pick between Duke & Blood. Duke has a better enemy roster but Blood has much more consistently good level design and cool atmosphere.
Shadow Warrior is great too but just not quite as polished, the enemies arent as balanced as Duke and some of the levels have mandatory secrets.

first time in my life I reach this level
why doom 2 feels like a chore?

>>7110481
>why doom 2 feels like a chore?
Because the levels aged poorly and the only reason we play them is to learn obscure video game history

>>7110481
Level design in Doom 2 is a weak point. Doom 2's strengths come from the expanded monster roster and the SSG. It's best as a foundation for custom WADs and gameplay mods.

I hate Italians so fucking much.

Anyone got some nice texture packs they want to recommend. I want to map.

>>7110481
Of course it feels like a chore. You just beat the worst Doom 2 level (Map 12 - factory)

>>7110291
dead-air is a nice spooky cityscape-wad

>>7110520
>You just beat the worst Doom 2 level
I hope

>>7110526
Nah, you didn't get to Nirvana yet.

>>7110520
Is that dead air? I thought that was a horror map on a weird foggy floating place

>>7110538
Dead.Air has a spooky sort of aesthetic but it's very actiony in terms of combat pacing. It's great.

>>7110481
Doom 2 has a couple of more weak levels than Doom 1 and they tend to lump together a bunch in the middle. Keep going though.

>>7110531
Nirvana is at least easy to skip.

Let's talk about Doom multiplayer.
4-5 years ago people were playing All-out war 2, Samsara, WhoDunIt, vanilla deatmatch, Complex Doom survival, different invasion maps.

Right now I see mostly Megaman Deathmatch (which is fine, but not my cup of tea),
or retarded Complex Doom LCA - which is a CD survival with stupidly overpowered monsters

What is going on? Has everyone moved to private discords or something?
Or maybe there's something wrong with my doomseeker?

Nevermind the ping, I'm from Eastern Europe and it's morning here. But there are no good games on our servers either.

>>7110520
>>7110539
Any other Spooky wads?

>>7110559
Unloved (pic related, sorry for gzdoom filters)
Lizard men temple 3 had a nice spooky part in the middle

Also ghoul forest, but it's kinda lame. And I don't know if it's playable in single player

>>7108994
Nah, those are placeholders. Pistol will definitely have a visible hand, and so will a grenade throw, but heavy weapons will most likely not have a visible hands on them, but they will be implied.

>>7110518
Why do you hate italians?
Is it because of Grezzo2?

>>7110518
There's a higher up at my workplace and she's sicilian. She's really sweet and nice to me. She's also very attractive

>>7110518
t. got filtered by italo doom

>>7110583
The work of the Casali brothers absolves Italian doom modders of collective responsibility. Kind of like how Christ died for our sins.

>>7110184
>Hey, catch me later and I'll give you a hand
What did Barney mean by this?

>>7110590
Sicilians get a pass. Like the Basque.

>>7110583
>>7110596
See this

>>7110558
Nothing's wrong with your Doomseeker, most of the populated servers throughout each day are MMDE or Complex Survival. Huge bummer too, I'd love to play on 24/7 populated deathmatch servers without nearly going blind from the textures.

>>7110558
>>7110617
It takes nothing to set up a TSPG game to your liking. Gotta be the change you want to see.

In answer to your question more directly, loads more video games are available to the world than ever before at cheap prices or totally free. Genshin Impact, and the myriads of other "gacha" titles, Destiny 2 with its ever changing world and being free while giving that social validation; more things competing for one's time.

>>7110607
>HL1
>there's a chance Barney, after shooting and killing a headcrab, will say the following
>"Hahaha yeah! Take that you freakin' headcrab! Speaking of headcrabs, Gordon give me head and avoid the crabs I have, as in give me a sloppy gay as fuck homo blowjob despite the genital parasites surrounding my crotch. I unironically want you to suck me off till I cum all over your mouth!"

What did Gearbox mean by this?

>>7110184
shit op, but at least it's a new thread
reposting this:
>>7110187
for anon, because it's a p decent video and kinda neat.

Today I learned that universal entropy and RDND actually work together

>>7110635
Hadn't heard of RDND. Thanks.

>>7110631
Still seething about OP, eh? Cope you fucking faggot.

>>7110656
Newfags ruined this board.

>They were seated around the table having some drinks before you barged in
It's the little things.

>>7110670
Good taste in weapon set choice for Final Doomer. What WAD is that?

>>7110296
Incorrect:
POWERSLAVE (Build version) > Blood > Duke Nukem 3D > Shadow Warrior > Ion Fury

>>7110596
Ah yes, Dario "HL1" Casali

>>7110664
Stay mad, Gaydon Fagman.

>>7110671
The sledgehammer is to die for. WAD is Morbid Autumn, really good stuff.
https://www.moddb.com/games/doom-ii/addons/dbp29-morbid-autumn

>>7110676
xD epic

Ah man, Realm on Plutonia just kicked my ass super hard. Had to save three times that map.(four if you count the one for the platforming bridge.

>>7110678
The Sledgehammer is sick but the standouts for me are the pump shotgun and the C4.
What a great weapon set, and what a fucking fantastic mod.
And thanks for the link, I'll be checking this out later.

>>7110291
Maps 2 and 9 of Hellcore 2.0 have some pretty neat city maps

>>7110623
I do understand your sentiment but TSPG isn't the best. I've set up TSPG for us dudes here before, it's kinda shitty because it doesn't give the "owner" (I know that the server is hosted by TSPG and they don't want someone fucking around with their name, actual servers, or something) server admin privileges so that you can't force map changes, etc outside of voting which has a long cooldown. It does prevents server admin powertrip autism, I suppose. The only alternative I know of is setting up your own server, which factors in your internet speed and hardware.

I am doing UV pistol-start no-saves attempts of Valiant map10 while listening to Master Boot Record
https://youtu.be/R77CC9D0sYI
>You are in video game heaven

>>7110704
You can get a VPS for pretty cheap nowadays. Around January I'll be doing that to help host stuff for party /v/an. I'll host some Doom too.

>>7110184
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zl1L0oWVoU

>>7110709
Ahhh that's a workaround I never would have thought of. Thank you, Anon. If things aren't too rough after Christmas I'll try to get something together for /VR/ multi, deathmatch and co-op with y'all is always fun.

>>7110704
>you can't force map changes, etc outside of voting which has a long cooldown.
That's what RCON is for. All servers have an RCON password and you can use it ingame to do that kind of stuff. Use the send_password command to verify it and then use the rcon command along with server commands.
You still can't do things like enabling cheats, though. That could potentially break tspg.

>>7110709
Can you provide a guide for using VPS?
It would be awesome. Maybe I'll host something too.

>>7110680
HL will always be shit :^)

>>7110736
Party /v/an has a pastebin to guide you. That's where I started.
https://pastebin.com/SX7w69Qv

>All the lower resolutions for LZ Doom put the text too high so I can't see the first message I get
Triggering my autism super hard. Especially since it makes it so I can't see Plutmidi-np because of it.

>tripfagging
Every day you become more deranged

To whom it may concern, Project Brutality's monsters are available in standalone format, but it's not on moddb due to politics, but damn I must say, it does a pretty good job making Doom feel like a Build shooter if you're just using vanilla Doom weapons, Final Doomer, or Babel. I'm pretty gobsmacked at how fun this is. The only things I'd recommend is ixnaying any idea of pistol start if you're playing on UV, going into the options menu to disable shield enemies since those guys are balanced around grenades and kicks from PB, and turning the gore down to realistic to better feel like proper Doom.

https://projectbrutality.com/archive/index.php/s/rWtWBYdHX8fmWLz?path=%2FCommunity%20Addons%2FVarious

>>7110732
Ha, I really don't know shit. Thanks dude, I'll remember this

>>7110656
>Still
I just hopped in this thread.

>>7110779
Thank you, man, this is just what I needed

Alf is gay for gordon.
>>7110795

>>7110214
well to be fair the schzio that comes on here just to bitch about HL only does it because half life reminds him of that time he was raped in an alleyway by 3 black men in the cool autumn of 1998.

RE4 guy is just another resident evil grognard who begs capcom for a horror game only to turn his nose at it because it's not the "right" horror game and then wonders why capcom doesn't pander to him.

>>7110779
Side note, someone posted a weapons mod last thread called Hellrider, it goes super well with that too.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=68575
>>7110794
No prob.

>>7110806
You're gayer for playing it though. Also not my thread.

fuck off tripfag your schtick's not funny

>>7110481
ok, back to wageslaving until next week

Do you guys play Doom without autoaim on? Without mouselook on, it feels funky to also have that off imo.

>>7110898
Never liked autoaim, I hate when it loses track of a flying enemy and you eat your own rocket. Must be my luck.

>>7110576
Pretty cool, but goddamn is Unloved really fucking dark. Have to strain my eyes to see anything.

>>7110962
Are you using Open GL?

>>7110481
>>7110894
You people give Doom II too little credit. It is single-handedly responsible for the attitude regarding Doom modding and mapping with maps like Gotcha!, and Tricks and Traps, and others. This attitude has reverberated ever since, just as the bulk of Half-Life 1 mods are about telling stories because HL1 was telling the story of the Black Mesa Incident.

Moreover, Doom II's level design is a lost art, and I find it being less appreciated year by year. That shit worries me. Morbid Autumn, that wad talked about in this thread? It's a fine mappack, it really is. The locations feel realized, and it's totally outside the realm of something you'd see in Doom II; it feels like a true throughline from Doom 1 in terms trying to make a place feel believable. But there's none of the platforming fuckery, none of the maze fuckery, none of the quirks of engine that the guys figured out with Doom II i.e. leaping across the building via sprinting in that one city map in Doom II, or needing to traverse the black floor that is seemingly "outside" the map boundaries in that one maze map, or The Chasm. Boo fucking hoo, you might fall off, but you don't see that type of experimentation anymore. Even Plutonia played it safe in this regard.

>>7110993
Yeah

>>7110558
What doesn't help is that a fair share of modders gradually ended up moving from Zandybam to GZDoom, the latter was making some actual developments while the former hasn't even updated in a longass time and is seriously behind in features. So interest just more or less waned as more mods became geared towards single player.

Does Quakespasm Spiked have AA and AF on by default?

>>7111007
>Doom 1 in terms trying to make a place feel believable.
Implying Episodes 2 and 3 resemble ANYTHING, let alone the real world
Otherwise I agree with you. Sandy's experimentation gave DOOM II a fun edge. But anything like that today is, at worst, demanded to be removed from the level, and at best, referred to disparagingly as a gimmick

>>7110184
What year is this? 2001? Imagine your humor still being stuck here though I guess it's not a wojak at least so you have that

>>7111060
Lol are you gay? Butthurt much?

>>7111060
Definitely gay.

>>7111060
this is just a hl mod has new skins , i want to give you guys a new experience about hl game . in hl Combine mod , you will advanture with Gordon Freeman with modern guns , skins , scary enemies , and " gay Barney " .i just combine lot of skins hl from hlbanana to give you a new hl version . Hope you enjoy it

>Bullets
>In hell
Is Doom a Bullethell?

>>7110558
On top of what other people said, AOW2 died because of a combination of drama and collusion. Group of people starte always playing on the same time with external comms and using super tryhard optimal strats that can only be done with said comms (like donating everyone's cash to a couple players so they can buy mechs and zerg rush the enemy obelisk two minutes into the game before they have any defenses, crippling them and guaranteeing an eventual victory), and they always stomped the other team comprised entirely of pub users. People got sick of it and just stopped playing. Then those exact same people who made everyone leave took over development of the mod, buffed their own strategies and thought it would make people come back. It didn't work who'd'a thunk

I really miss the Ghouls vs Humans servers, the Whodunnits, the 24/7 Ghoul's Forest 2 maps (god those were so much fun). Zandronum has given me lots of good memories than I've really cared to think about.

>>7111068
>>7111069
Lost your trip huh?

Do we know which Casali designed which map?

>>7111140
it goes Milo, Dario, Milo, Dario, Milo, Dario, Dario, Milo, Milo, Dario, Dario, Milo, Milo, Dario, Milo, Milo, Dario, Milo, Milo, Dario, Milo, Dario, Milo, Dario, Milo, Dario, Milo, Milo, Dario, Milo

>>7111158
and then Dario, Milo for the secret levels

>>7111140
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Dario_Casali
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Milo_Casali
Has all of each individual's maps in both Final DOOM and outside it

>>7111158
Actually Dario only made six maps, Milo made sixteen, and American McGee made ten

>>7110583
Grezzo2 was built on the back that WatDaFuck started

>>7111078
given most of the enemies rely on slow moving projectiles you have to actively dodge, yes, most slaughtermaps are basically bullethell for doom

>>7110898
For straight vanilla, I'll play it as normal, for GzDoom I'll use freelook and a crosshair with no auto aim.

>>7110962
>>7111010
Try a flashlight mod.

>>7110898
Game's too easy with freelook and no autoaim. But with mods, all bets are off.

>>7111230
Nah, I was dumb and had dynamic lights off. It's all fine now.

>>7111184
Fuck off.

>>7111238
t. Dario

Who's the guy who owes money to Romero?

>>7110291
Valiant had some city maps. Also Sawdust (outtakes of Valiant). But some fully urban wad would be nice indeed.

>>7110187
Speedmap Snack Pack for Quake 1 released. Runs on the Copper mod.
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/snack.html

>>7110291
Finely Crafted Fetish Film

>>7111084
>there's like 100 people who play the game
>8 of them are tryhard pubstompers

God damn it, why life has to be like this.
That's a shame, I'd love a game of AoW2.

>>7111030
Guess you're right.
The life-cycle of doom multiplayer is really strange.
I remember playing wads like coopbuildlm or dbzone in Zdoom around 2007-2008, and they were still around in 2017. Thought the classic wads will be here forever.

>>7110707
Try Ashes 2063, you'll likely enjoy the soundtrack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNNGfIZWopc

And why does your heaven include pistol-starting the same map anyway?

>>7110748
Thanks for the link

WHO WANTA SOME WANG?

>>7111498
Dog or not, makea no difference...

>>7111407
>you will never enjoy spending countless afternoons just blasting monsters on coopbuildls and invasionuac or that invasion wad with the giant stone golem ever again

Why live?

So, I just learned that archvilles can resurrect corpses even if theybare gibbed. I've wasted so much time on plutonia m15, trying to eliminate all of those chaingunners. I thought there was just like 50 of them

>>7111553
Where did you hear this? I've never heard that you can prevent corpses from getting rezzed if you gib them

It's time to play.... Faithless

>>7111583
Well it does kind of sound like what happens with the zombies in quake so I don't think it's not completely counterintuitive he would think that. Since the raising animation is just the death animation backwards it kind of looks weird when it happens for gibs.
>>7111553
Did you know that you can kill an archvile with his own attack? It's super useless because it still mostly hurts you.

>>7111598
[muffled 'God is a DJ' in the distance]

>>7110643
Honestly I would include RDND in any list of vanilla mods if it wasn't for the loading screen replacement (which you can delete easily in slade), and the fact that it adds a new difficulty

>>7111553
Yeah, that's a gimmick which was occasionally used in the 90s, in fact Plutonia uses it like twice, though you can eventually bust the archies to put a stop to it.

Fun fact, *crushed* corpses exhibit a really fun bug where they retain their crushed height when raised (ergo, like zero), and as a result all your shots pass through them, meaning the only way to kill them again is to hit them with splash damage from explosions. This is called the Ghost Monsters bug.

>>7111583
Maybe he's thinking of Hideous Destructor, though that doesn't really stop raising as much as just making it less fast and straight forward.

>>7111583
I just thought that a gibbed corpse was too destroyed to be put back together

Anyone got any 8-Bit NES themed wads/mods? I finished 8-Bit Deathmatch and Lycanthorn and now I want more.

>>7111825
Space Hunter
https://combine-kegan.itch.io/space-hunter

>>7111825
Combine Arms Gaiden

>>7110184
Any gay mods for Doom?

>>7111924
What's that mod where you fuck a Cyberdemon with a vibrator?

>>7111924
Imp Encounter

any rott anons know how to fix this? im using winrottgl, should i find a different sourceport? just use dos?

>>7111924
Brutal Doom
Project Brutality
Playing RoTT instead of Doom

It looks like some dude has been uploading his collection of old Doom .wads on moddb. things like "D! zone", "mega doom" some old Quake and Duke stuff.

this looks to be his page
https://www.moddb.com/members/pmdleadershinx..

Haven't tried any but it might be interesting to go through them.

>>7111959
Not sure but I had a shitload of problems with WinROTT. Civvie used Icculus for his review, a ROTT source port for Linux that was ported to Windows. I never could get it going either because of problems with SDL.dll, apparently there was a Window 10 update that broke it. Kept getting errors

I said fuck it and used DOSBox. Game supports horizontal mouselook but has the problem alot of old shooters have that forward and backward movement with the mouse makes your character move forward and back. You can either use the novert.com file (google it or ask for help here) to fix it. Also if you look in the Steam forums for ROTT someone posted edits to the games config file to make sensitivity 0 for the vertical movement.

Alternatively, you could just play in DOSBox as is and try to keep your mouse as still as possible with forwards and back movement. Its doable.

Or just wait for the sourceport. Full mouselook support, widescreen, multiplayer, the works. Coming to all consoles and PC early 2021.

Or if you're desperate, you can play the Sega 32X port.

>>7111959
I couldn't tell you anything of importance, WinRottGL ran for me, but I could tell it wasn't running very well. I think it maybe crashed once, and not on This Causes An Error. I really can't wait for the new port, because I think it's a really fun game, but I just hate the current sourceports.

>>7112098
>>7112123
gonna try rottexpr, a win10 sourceport of icculus that adds new shit, hope it works.
>new port
is this actually going to be a thing? i havent seen anything about it besides the initial tweet back in 2019

>>7112184
Oh its coming, here is 3D Realms playing on the Switch in the office from a couple of months ago:
https://youtu.be/QPFS99n4X2I

>>7112184
Kaiser 'trashed' it and then Nightdive was coming out with an official commercial port. As long as it's cheap, works, and has gamepad support, I won't complain.

>>7112098
>the Sega 32X port
Are you just fucking with me, or did I somehow miss its existence?

>>7112192
>>7112198
wish it was coming sooner, thanks anons

Just finished the first episode of Blood on lightly broiled. Should I try the rest of the game on well done?

>>7112240
Yes. First episode is the hardest due to lack of enemy variety and thus more cultists.

Someone asked about Q1 like maps for Quake 2
Nightmare Orchard is pretty good

What are some great 90s FPS shooter official art?

>>7112365

>>7112365
Shadow Warrior's original cover

>>7111078
if you press tab you unlock the true perspective doom was meant to be played with

>>7112381
looks like a Fighting Fantasy cover

>>7112371
Butterface.

>>7112365
Few pieces come to Craig Mullin's stuff for Marathon. Absolutely great stuff.

>>7112381
Looks like it could be from an NES cartridge.

>Try using duke nukem weapons on brutal doom
>The weapons never appear
>tried loading the pk3 first,last,middle,nothing happens
i think i am retarded,is there a specific setup for this?

The fellating of so called "BASED CARMACK" in these threads is troubling to me. Do you know anything about John Carmack? he managed to drive off every founding member of iD with his fucking autism and inability to handle the fact that they needed him to keep their edge. Instead of recognizing that he wielded disproportionate power (and backing off to let the other legs of the famous Carmack-Romero-Hall tripod work their magic) he systematically retaliated whenever their creativity didn't jive with whatever programming shit he was currently on., first driving off Hall and then Romero.

I mean, for fuck's sake, this is a man who:

1. Had to nearly be held at gunpoint to add secret walls to Wolfenstein.

2. Thought nothing of disappearing for three weeks down the asshole of Florida somewhere in a motel to write one of the Quake engines (he told no one where the fuck he was, he's the head of the company at this time).

3. Decided at one point than "maximum efficiency" could only be achieved among his employees at iD by pitting their weekly performance against each other "Deathmatch Style". People _were_ fired over this, office morale plummeted (gee, I wonder why?).

4. Is a staunch advocate of the "objectivist philosophy". I have never met a self-proclaimed objectivist who was not an exploitative piece of hypocritical shit, much like its original founder Ayn Rand.

5. Likes Diet Coke. Who the fuck likes Diet Coke? Only goddamn aliens, that's who.

They had the perfect fucking tripod, man: Hall brings the lore, Romero brings the gameplay, Carmack brings the tech. Instead they let the entire enterprise become completely servile to whatever autistic shit Carmack happened to be on at the time.

>B-BUT MUH BASED CARMACK HE CHOPPED A DOOR WITH AN AX HE CHOKED OUT JACE HALL B-BASED
Who fucking cares? Fuck him, he's a tyrannical prick.

>>7111825
Doom 4 Vanilla + Crispy Doom + 8 bit NES soundfont

>>7112440
Tom didn't write shit for Doom ultimately and Romero notriously became lazy after the high of making Doom and Deathmatch hit him too hard.

>>7112440
>1. Had to nearly be held at gunpoint to add secret walls to Wolfenstein.
He gave in because he realized Tom and Romero's insistence meant that it really mattered, and had it finished by the time they were next going to ask him about it.

>2. Thought nothing of disappearing for three weeks down the asshole of Florida somewhere in a motel to write one of the Quake engines (he told no one where the fuck he was, he's the head of the company at this time).
He got shit done, though.

>3. Decided at one point than "maximum efficiency" could only be achieved among his employees at iD by pitting their weekly performance against each other "Deathmatch Style". People _were_ fired over this, office morale plummeted (gee, I wonder why?).
Poor choice on his part. Don't forget the powerplay bullshit Willits got up to though.

>4. Is a staunch advocate of the "objectivist philosophy". I have never met a self-proclaimed objectivist who was not an exploitative piece of hypocritical shit, much like its original founder Ayn Rand.
Sounds like a personal problem.

>5. Likes Diet Coke. Who the fuck likes Diet Coke? Only goddamn aliens, that's who.
Diet Pepsi, but point taken.

Have you heard of our Lord and Savior Tom Hall?

>>7112448
>>7112440
>first driving off Hall
>Tom didn't write shit for Doom
Tom had important input to Doom during its development, even if 85% of his design ideas were trashed. Teleporters and flying monsters were features he fought to have in the game. Some of the best maps in the shipped game (and one in the sequel), was made by refurbishing his concept levels.

However, many of Tom's ideas also didn't fit with the direction that Doom was going, and it was better that he would leave, giving us the Doom that we got, and also giving us Rise Of The Triad, which was Tom Hall compensating for his misaimed drive towards realism during Doom's development, by making a shooter which was instead completely goddamn fucking bonkers.
He'd never get to really make a game like that under iD Software if he conformed to the company's direction, and he never would have gone on to make Anachronox, if you ask Tom himself it really was the right thing to do in the end, even though he may miss his boy Billy.

>and then Romero
Romero wasn't innocent himself in that, his ego had swelled to gigantic proportions at that time, and he was faltering at work, he contributed a lot less to Doom 2 (even though he made some of the best maps), and he bears at the very least half the burden of Quake's development going the way it did (though given how good Quake did turn out anyway, I think it's for the better).

>>7112381
Why was it changed?

>>7110593
Nah italy doom is a meme
it's actually italian doom episode 1 (and only)

>>7112450
Its Diet Coke

>>7112469
Probably because the design of things were closer to the cover initially, but changed later. Maybe they didn't want to ask Bell to retouch the art or something.

>>7112478
So he's an alien, big whoop.

>>7112456
Tom Hall is based, PERIOD.

>>7112448
It truly pains me how slow Romero was in learning his lessons as a younger man. I think he's fundamentally a good person and iD didn't have to end the way it did.

>>7112482
This gives me Lord British vibes...

>>7112478
Diet coke makes me so god damn hungry after I drink it god damn. Like not eating makes me less hungry than drinking that stuff, I could eat until I throw up after drinking a can of that poison

>>7112481
>Probably because the design of things were closer to the cover initially
The reason has got to be the hero there. Lo Wang doesn't look like a hooded ninja. And they went hard on branding with the protagonist just like they did for Duke. I think they know a cult of personality drove Duke's sales. Didn't hurt Lo Wang either.

>>7112440
>Decided at one point than "maximum efficiency" could only be achieved among his employees at iD by pitting their weekly performance against each other "Deathmatch Style". People _were_ fired over this, office morale plummeted (gee, I wonder why?).
The other stuff I mostly just chalk up to Carmack being a sperg but this one is sort of unforgivable. Really shitty.

That said Carmack himself has acknowledged that he was a arrogant little shit with zero empathy in his younger years (famous incident where Kevin Cloud told Carmack his daughter got into Yale, which he had been talking about for months and was super excited about and Carmacks response was "Mmm" without even looking away from his screen. It actually really hurt Kevin's feelings) and that if he could go back and do some things differently he would.

>>7112440
personally the last person i knew who drank diet coke was a similar tier of being. i think it transforms you.

I think it's unsurprising people go for the mega-aut dickhole esp. considering his technical ability in spite of being a whimsical Caligula

>>7112489
Classic iD Software was never gonna hold together, it was a perfect storm of a bunch of really colorful and talented young misfits getting together to laser focus their extraordinary talents to make some fantastic games, but these personalities were also volatile (well, not all of them I guess), and friction was bound to happen.
I think we should be glad that they held together and did the stuff they did, more that as they went separate ways, they all continued work on other cool things, to varying degrees.

>>7112440
>>7112450
UH-OH INTERNET FIGHT!

>>7112498
Aspartame, the typical sweetener replacing sugar in light softdrinks, does induce feelings of hunger, so that's not your imagination. This is also why switching from regular to diet sodas isn't always the shortcut that some people imagine it to be when it comes to weight loss and change in diet.

>>7112490
Tom Hall just got in costume and make-up to play the final boss for ROTT, didn't Lord British straight up live that shit 24/7?

>>7112469
The game had a very long development and I believe it was originally going to be about ninja magic and abilities instead of guns and explosives

>>7112507
>all continued work on other cool things
Nothing they did apart had the magic of what they did together.

>>7112524
Lord British is a literal fucking sperg

>>7112381
>>7112387
>>7112404
Got inspired and quickly put this together. Was thinking of using the 3D Realms logo for color contrast, but I couldn't find their old one already transparent, so I said fuck it. It would still have been Apogee if they were publishing on the NES anyway, and it wouldn't have been 3D anything on that machine either.

>>7112529
True, but when you make fucking Doom and Quake together, it's really, really fucking hard to capture something like that again.

>>7112462

Tom seems like a really cool dude that poured himself into the games he made, just look at the doom bible. Really sad considering most of Tom's IP he really loves these days are owned by companies that have no interest in doing anything with them or being raped.

>>7112529
Sigil was pretty good, and Romero's actions would lead to Deus Ex and Anachronox being made, so I'd say we didn't lose out.

>>7112540
Apogee is even more retro, so it's perfect, frankly.

>>7112540
Very nice

>>7112540
Based, will be suggesting newfags to try to NES Shadow Warrior port with this in the future

>>7112540
Dude that's cool!

>>7112547
Tom is definitely a tragic character. He is so creative and he has a true passion for games and the stuff he made but never got the success and acclaim he deserved, always right on the cusp but never in the limelight. Listen to the Matt Chat interviews with him, he sounds very downtrodden... He has BEGGED Zenimax to sell Commander Keen to him or just let him work for them on a new one and they refused every time. Told him it was an important legacy IP so even though they had ZERO plans to do shit with it, fuck you you can't have.

>>7112561
Now that Microsoft owns it maybe they would reconsider?

>>7112540
Even looks like it has wear in the lower left corner, nice

Are there any wads with a surreal/dream like atmosphere for Doom?

idniggers get the rope.

>>7112564

It sounds like industry practice to never sell IPs
In the same interview he said he went to Square to try to get the Anachronox IP back, and they wouldn't even negotiate. I doubt MS is any different.

>>7112571
Terry.wad very much so has this vibe

>>7112573
Really sucks for him. I wish they would at least hire him and let him do one, he has a ton of ideas for it and thought that last Keen game they made was shit (because it was)

>>7112571
Yeah, Marathon Infinity

>>7112540
A relic from another timeline

>>7112098
I actually checked to see if it got a 32X port, fuck you

>>7110347
>the OP might as well have a little fun while those one or two retards keep shitposting bait all over /VR/.
I made the OP you fucking nonce. The Golden Age of FPS was 1992 to November 19, 1998, the day Half-Life was released. It ushered in the Dark Ages of FPS, slow linear story driven bullshit.

>>7112613
Ban evading again?

>>7112618
Shilling for the worst thing to ever happen to FPS again?

Holy Hell, the HD sprites for Marathon 2 and Infinity are ugly as sin.

>>7112625
Yeah those looks like shit. I been playing the Xbox 360 port of Marathon 2 on my Xbone lately, good port.

>>7112624
Doom clones?

>>7112571
Hell Ground, pic related
A.L.T.
Going Down
Wormwood EU, and most Ribbiks maps
2048 Units of /vr/

>>7112630
stop responding to the resident troll

>>7112630
No, Queer-Life and its protagonist Søydon Fagman

>>7112624
Wait you mean Quake right?

>>7112642
To an extent, as the 2.5D sprite era had maximum SOUL, but Quake 1 still retains some of this. As I have said before there are exceptions to every rule and there have been some genuinely shooters released in the Dark Age such as RTCW. But they are a rarity.

>>7112649
*genuinely good

>>7112649
ROTT was garbage.
>RTCW
Zoomer garbage

Thoughts on this game?

>>7112571
Ancient Aliens

>>7112631
forgot pic

>>7112661
RoTT is a pretty fun game but has alot of downsides. Contrary to your implication I am not the RoTT poster. His love for the game is admirable if a bit misguided

>>7112662
MoH? Ha, It's shit.

Love how this nigger larp as a retro fps player but never touched any.

>>7112662
It's okay, I liked the whole low poly look but RTCW is better.

>>7112692
I've played more than you could imagine. Ever played Gore Galore? How about The Fortress of Dr Radaiki?

>>7112717
Nice names you searched anon.
Took you very long.

>>7112571

not aware of any that are yumi nikki surreal but a wad with levels like the 3d fan game would be amazing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7Gby-065po

I know Powerslave was talked about a couple of threads ago. Is there any non-emulation PC port of the Saturn version? I really like the FPS Metroidvania concept but the other versions lack it.

>>7110201
>>7110202
>>7110236
I don't get the appeal of Rise of the Triad. It's not as fun as other shooters from the era.

im so fucking mad about fps games holy shit i need to kill you

>>7112726
I'm phoneposting at work, I can't always be here to reply instantly.

>>7112739
Its mostly because it does so many neat things like jump pads, moving platforms, weapons like the heat seeker (which is defeated by flames or torches in the level, if one is closer than an enemy it will seek it instead, neat touch) It feels very "video game", very arcadish for an FPS and that makes it fun, at least for some. If you go into it wanting the gunplay of something like Doom you will always be disappointed.

>>7112740
No ones mad, buddy. You just need to know that HL killed FPS and accept it.

Doom ruined PC gaming
https://www.salon.com/2003/05/05/doom_2/

>>7112561
>He is so creative and he has a true passion for games and the stuff he made but never got the success and acclaim he deserved

He has just as much access to dev kits and mod platforms as you or me. He hasn't made shit.

>>7112761
*saved fps

>>7112764
Why would he do it for free? He isn't a janny. And he does have an actual job.

>>7112739

it has some fun ideas, but is pretty mediocre overall

>>7112763
This was actuslly a popular opinion among the PC player old guard at the time. In fact there were debates among the staff of PC Gaming magazine if they should even cover what were then just referred to as "3D games" like DOOM because it wasn't a "real PC game" and more like a twitch arcade game in their eyes. If it wasn't some deep RPG or strategy game with stats the hardcore PC players thumbed their nose at it and bemoaned Dooms huge notoriety in "their" hobby.
t. boomer older enough to remember people telling me Doom wasn't a real PC game and belonged in an arcade.

>>7112764

He works to pay the bills, but from interviews he sounds like he doesn't want to make new stories, just finish old ones.

>>7112573
It's a shame the corporate climate is what it is, I doubt Square considers Anachronox even slightly profitable or valuable, but they'll cling to any property they own for the hell of it.

>>7112730
Use the ps1 version through EX. I habent played on saturn all the way through yet, but they’re pretty much the same with a few tiny differences. For a casual playthrough it works fine. Its in the OP mega link if you need a download.

>>7112575
That would mean funding its development and publishing though, which Square isn't going to find worth their time. I think he would have a much greater chance of just getting a special edition rerelease of it made, assuming he could ever get them to talk to him.

>>7112831
The PS1 version has smaller levels, spme content removed and nerfed enemies. Saturn or bust.

>>7112625
I tend to find that any HD textures and sprites for an old 2.5D shooter tends to make the game look like complete shit due to the disconnect of the resolution vs. the geometry. You can display a game like that in a high resolution, and that works, but if the textures themselves are ridiculously high resolution, it kills the illusion and the walls are going to look completely flat, like a photo printed on wall.

https://www.usenetarchives.com/view.php?id=rec.games.computer.doom.misc&g=193&p=0

>>7112848
Yes, there were alot of shills even then.

>>7112848
And they were right, doom was never good.

>>7112758
>(which is defeated by flames or torches in the level, if one is closer than an enemy it will seek it instead, neat touch)
I like how ROTT is full of lots of little silly details like that.

>>7112848
Whoa cool. Is there any way I can go back to read the posts circa pre-Dooms release and between 1 and 2? I heard Romero used to post

>>7112848
Stuff like this is why I find people complaining about posting quality on here humorous. Retards were still going "but this game has better graphics!!!" even back then.

>>7112639
>>7112624
>>7112649
>>7112681
>>7112686
>>7112717
https://youtu.be/OLpeX4RRo28

>>7112787
>In fact there were debates among the staff of PC Gaming magazine if they should even cover what were then just referred to as "3D games" like DOOM because it wasn't a "real PC game" and more like a twitch arcade game in their eyes.
Vidya journalists are absolute retards, who knew?

>>7112881
Don't, it just feeds his faggotry. Report and hide.

>>7112865
It was never good, because it was great.

>>7112881
Not a chance, pal. I must speak the truth far and wide. Cope, seethe, dilate etcetera

>>7112894
>what is an opinion

>>7112639
That's a pretty sick cosplay. I'd love to own an HEV suit.

This garbage discussion reeks of /v/edditnigger shit.

what would get a moderately-sized Doom map more attention?
releasing it as a standalone?
or submitting it to a community project?

>>7112906
Not my fault non doom fps triggers this shitty board

>>7112918
It's literally one guy, don't equate him with the rest of /vr/. And reminder avatarfagging is against the rules, so... you know. Do your part.

>>7112868
>>7112875
https://www.usenetarchives.com/threads.php?id=rec.games.computer.doom.misc&p=0

I'm trying to find as such

>>7112764
>He has a true passion for games
<Why would he do it for free?
lol

>>7112820
>he doesn't want to make new stories, just finish old ones.

Nothing is stopping that

>>7112913
the latter because for one thing people are just more likely to play megawads, and for another thing the organizers will probably promote the wad for you

>>7112913
depends if the map itself is still fun, no?
what do you think of that doom city map?

>>7112389
Fuck you she's perfect.

I love her ingame outfits.

>>7111007
>needing to traverse the black floor that is seemingly "outside" the map boundaries in that one maze map
now I may be stupid but which one was it again?

>>7112949
And I love her ingame outtits HEYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>7112981
Her low poly model is more fun than even her shitty 2D renders.

Wish somebody did a less jello quake 2 textures version today.
She has the right bimbo comic book proportions.

Like her more than the shitty episodes version. Man Sin got it rough. I wanted a decent sequel keeping the spirit of the first.

>>7112928

tell that to all the people who have tried to make nintendo fangames

I realize now it's not worth arguing with X ruined fps posters.

>>7113039
>its not worth arguing with trolls
Wow, really? Got any more insight youve gained on your first day on 4chan?

Quick question, has anyone else felt like smoothdoom is a little off? Hit-scanners seem particularly unforgiving.

Project Brutality is bretty fun, but hard. Amazing it somehow makes Lost Souls even more annoying than in the base game, too.

Favorite HL level?
For me its on a rail

>>7112924
His name is DWTerminator, hes a full schizo

>>7113059
Lambda Complex.

>>7113012
>tell that to all the people who have tried to make nintendo fangames

Irrelevant point, invalid argument

>>7113048
The changed animation cues are probably throwing you off. That said, it could be something else, previously smooth doom would add give you 240 cells if you fired the bfg.

>>7113058
Phantasms are fucked

>>7113059
Questionable ethics.

Got love that lab feel with the warm desert sunlight.

>>7112764
>He hasn't made shit.

Yes he has.
https://www.lexaloffle.com/bbs/?uid=32135&mode=carts&sub=2#m

>>7113059

crossfire

>>7113039
As long as you learned.

>>7113092
I recall the odd complaint about one or two things being slightly off at places, a weapon timing here, an animation timing there, etc. Maybe it's better with updates though.

>>7113039
Why did it take you so long? Either way thank you for coming to your senses, replies are what feed shitposters like them.

>>7113092
That could be it.
>previously smooth doom would add give you 240 cells if you fired the bfg.
yeah I had to download someone's fix to sort that out.
I'm tempted to swap out smoothdoom for the one decino uses, the fixed sprite one.

>>7112417
Is it an actual addon for BD or are you one of those golden boner enthusiasts?

>>7112926
Even if I could just go back to that time and read what people were saying about Doom in the early 90s would be cool

>>7112417
Use a packing of the Brutal Doom monsters you dummy.

>>7113067
Again did we ever see any proof its this YouTuber DwTerminator? I mean if there is I will accept its him. I mean he reviewed HL and he doesn't shit on it completely though he does have criticisms
https://youtu.be/_MzrXI4fcNo

>>7113098
Sweet

>>7113058
The green ones can eat a dick goddamn, but it's nice to have "oh shit!" enemies when you're knee deep in the dead

>>7113135
He would spam /v/ with screenshots of 40 year old forum posts "proving" things. either DWTerminator just happened to be in all those old convos or its the same schizo copy pasting his same arguments from different sites for 20 years. giving the autism levels im going with the latter

>>7112571
Beyond Reality

https://wiki.mfgg.net/index.php?title=Cacodemon_Christmas

Anon, you DO host a server right? You don't want this game to die do you?

>>7110894
>>7111007
I'm not enjoying this level design, this one seems like it was made by my 6 years old nephew

>>7113241
Don't have the internet speed for it. I just make mods.

>>7112571
The Sky May Be
Lilith.pk3

>>7113249
I just pay for a VPS, it's only $12 a month at most

>>7112926
Lol this Doom 3 post is based:
>John Carmack, creator of DOOM3, has announced the birth of his first child. A boy named Daemon, born on Friday the 13th, 2004. "Beelzebub had such an influence on all the DOOMs that it seemed only fitting that we consecrate the child with a name seeped in evil idolatry," said Carmack. Moreover while the child was born in an ultra-modern hospital Carmack insisted that the hospital's electrical power be cut to 12% of optimal usage with the doctors' only direct illumination provided by a single hand-held flashlight. "It's scarier this way," explained Carmack. "Besides then the sharp points on the kid's head look more pixilation seams than little devil horns." The Hospital's staff went along with Carmack's weird 'in the dark' requests mostly because he was so darn rich and the fact he was waving a chaingun around at the time he checked his wife into the facility.

>>7113241

I just do some P2P hosting when one of my friends and I want to co-op some maps.

>>7113241
If I want to host a server I just use TSPG. I made an MM8BDM server for V6's launch but I don't think it's been touched since the day I made it (and my computer is fucked so I can't play myself and don't want to try and colonize it if I'm not contributing to the playercount)

>>7113123
>>7113292
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Usenet_groups
Some of these are just flat out dead citations.

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/106713-25-years-ago-in-doom-usenet-edition/

Semi-recent doomworld thread with links to

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.games.doom/c/2n6UquSXoAM

google groups archive of alt.games.doom posting

>>7112902
Me too.
Not the Mark V, though.

>>7112613
Quake is a good game.
Doom (1993) is a good game.
Duke 3D is a good game.
Dusk is a good game.
Doom II is a good game.
Hexen is a good game.
Final Doom is a good game.
Amid Evil is a good game.
Half-Life is a good game.
Serious Sam is a good game.
Halo is a good game.
Half-Life 2 is a good game.
Star Wars: Dark Forces is a good game.
Wolfenstein 3D is a good game.
Goldeneye is a good game.

>>7113389
Diakatana is good too tho

>>7113389
I kinda disagree with HL2 being good, the gunplay and pacing was a step down from HL1.

>>7113386
Now that you mention it, I didn't realize how much of the suit changed between games. I always spend so little time looking at it before jumping into it.

>>7113391
No. Not even dog-piling onto it because it's a meme to. It's legitimately just not that good. So many questionable design decisions and even the stronger parts are so forgettable.

>>7113392
hl2 feels like a huge step back to me, sure it had nice physics and ragdolls, but almost everywhere else felt really cutback compated to hl. Less weapons, less interesting environments, no bosses, very cliche story.

>>7113407
Even the crowbar got nerfed compared to how it was in HL1.
The only cool thing in HL2 was the crossbow, firing super heated rebar that pins dudes to walls is cool.

>>7113397
It's not a meme if you lower your standards enough to beat Blood 2.

>>7113410
I found the crowbar in hl1 useless

>>7113417
It was good for beating the shit of most singled out targets. Really more than anything I just like how it felt to use and the animations were pretty good. Whereas in HL2 it's slower, and the animations suck.
Though really, yeah melee isn't a good idea in most source games.

>>7113417
How? Headcrabs and hc zombies are so fucking common you may as well save some ammo and get mileage out of it.

>>7113424
and goldsource games, adding to this. I know of at least one source game with decent melee, and that's EYE Divine Cybermancy, but I can't think of any goldsource games with good melee.

>>7111007
>Moreover, Doom II's level design is a lost art, and I find it being less appreciated year by year. That shit worries me. Morbid Autumn, that wad talked about in this thread? It's a fine mappack, it really is. The locations feel realized, and it's totally outside the realm of something you'd see in Doom II; it feels like a true throughline from Doom 1 in terms trying to make a place feel believable. But there's none of the platforming fuckery, none of the maze fuckery, none of the quirks of engine that the guys figured out with Doom II i.e. leaping across the building via sprinting in that one city map in Doom II, or needing to traverse the black floor that is seemingly "outside" the map boundaries in that one maze map, or The Chasm. Boo fucking hoo, you might fall off, but you don't see that type of experimentation anymore. Even Plutonia played it safe in this regard.

The word you're looking for is abstract

>>7113245
>I'm not enjoying this level design

Do you have much experience with Doom? You said you had never reached Downtown before

>>7113426
the crowbar 1 shots headcrabs in hl2, not in hl1. Why not just shoot zombies? You get so much ammo on hard difficulty they're never a problem instead of whacking them 16 times, ducking in and out of their attack range. Just seems like a bad way to make the game more tedious.

Is there any good resource out there for 1920x1080 Doom/Hexen/etc. wallpapers?

>>7113465
It doesn't need to one-shot them in HL1, Gordon has fucking bionic blender arms. And there's way more zombies than ammo in the starting segment of HL1, you may as well learn the timing of tangling with them at arm's reach.

>>7113462
>Do you have much experience with Doom? You said you had never reached Downtown before
I played and finished every doom but doom2, my first one was 64 on release date
I played several custom wads and mods, I can appreciate the doom 2 enemy rooster and the supershotgun but half the levels are a boredom, I also appreciate the platforming but the level of abstraction is just too much for me
this is like my 6th or 7th try at finally finishing it

>>7113389
At the risk of being called Alf, I think Halflife and Halflife 2 are good games but not good FPS. The pinnacle of FPS in my opinion was Blood.

>>7113484
>my first one was 64
Hugo Martin? Is that you?

>>7113480
just run past them if that's the case, they don't drop anything

>>7113493
HL's gunplay isn't the best, but I do think the platforming, sense of exploration, and hazards of a science facility elevate it regardless. So while I might not phrase it like you did, I see where you're coming from at least.

>>7113504
>he leaves Barney and scientists alone with the monsters
Truly you were the monster all along.

In all seriousness, if you're just going to beeline to the exit, I'm not sure why you'd play the games. Immerse yourself.

>>7113520
Barney is not only a homosexual but a known sexual predator. He deserves it.

>>7113358
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.games.doom/c/bNwvmpIFJ3A
> I Eric Leung have won multiple DOOM ladders and tournaments.

> I have met with only putrid feable competition. I cannot be stopped,

> I cannot be FRAGGED. I am the best and I am BORED.

> I have had a network setup here at my residence at the

> University of British Columbia and suffice to say Eric Leung kicks

> multiple ass. I am so good no three players combined can stop me.

> I frag them all
>

> I practice 12 hours a day. I only sleep and go to university lectures.

> I take wake up pills to keep playing. I clearly am the best and can

> probably take any one of those ID boys. I am Eric Leung "KING OF DOOM!".
> Please someone phone me and DOOM me. Someone Better than all those

> useless competitors from the Vancouver area. This is a direct

> Challenge to everyone expecially the texas doom tourney champs,

> John Romero of ID soft.

>

> Please someone worthy call me to DOOM.

> "I can take you all, kick you ass and take you wallet". So to speak.
>

> You ask me if I have a GOD complex, well quite frankly

> I am GOD, DOOM GOD.
>

> E-mail me and lets doom. I am Eric "Pook-Gai" Leung, King of DOOM.

> My phone number here in Vancouver B.C. can be obtained if you email me
>

From John Romero;
Eric:

You may be a DOOM GOD, but I am the Master of your Universe and all that bow
down to you eventually bow down to me. Yes, even YOU, Eric, kneel and drink my
knob after having beaten all who challenge you. Do you dare take on your
master, pitiful DOOM GOD?

Email me and request your ass beating, if you have the balls.

This dude's the ultragamer right here

>>7113543
>Yes, even YOU, Eric, kneel and drink my knob
>Bro the Suck It Down ad wasn't my idea, I would never say I was gonna make someone my bitch because that's gay dude!
Hmmm

>>7113543
Romero was reportedly a beast, you can go watch some of his old deathmatches on YouTube. That said, Killcreek beat him which is what led to them hooking up.

>>7113543
>Eric Leung
Who is this guy? Did he go on to be notable in the community or just some random dude tooting his own horn?

>>7113561
Speaking of, here is Killcreek, RonSolo, and John Romero watching ParadoX play ROTT

>>7113571
Fuck forgot pic

>>7113565
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Eric_Yick_Leung

He made the unofficial v1.6 patch for Doom.

>>7113601
>Recent evidence suggests that the personality and actions of Leung were a deliberate invention as part of an early and elaborate instance of Internet trolling.

Seems like he was just shitposting.

>>7113543
Based

>>7113607
>FUCK YEAH BRO JOYSTICKS

plutonia m16. So many god damn revenants!

>>7113635
Could be worse

>>7110674
Absolute chad who became the most successful OG mapper.

>>7112440
He's a fucking ALPHA. Simple as. Cope.

>>7113621
>John Romero, id Software Stud

>>7113392
>>7113407
>>7113410
I disagree!

>>7113621
That piece of shit has NOTHING on the Panther XL.
They even made these for the Dreamcast.

>>7113676
That pic is of him at Ion Storm though

>>7113621
>>7113685

I gotta invest in a good one. I've got spaceflight sims that need elevating.

Kek
https://twitter.com/Civvie11/status/1330890110263562240

>>7113676

>>7113720
Pretty bad when you're dwarfed by fucking (((Phil Spector)))

>>7113621
>>7113685
Do you think he actually even used these pieces of shit? Most people especially hardcore players like Romero don't really switch from what they are comfortable with or learned on.

>>7113746
>using arrow keys instead of WASD

>>7113750
Old habits die hard. You should really be vomiting over him keeping the pistol out.

>>7113714
Took me all day to realize the RRRRAWW bit was a Civvie reference

>>7113750
>not JBNM

>>7113746
He's left handed? Honestly I don't blame him, if he used WASD his hands would be too cramped as its on the left side of the keyboard.

>>7113758

>>7113746
>he drinks Pure Leaf tea
Based

>>7113763
PL;' would be usable in a similar way.

>>7113773
True but I am sure he first started playing and got skilled with the arrow keys. Hell back in the 90s I used thr arrow keys+mouse too, I didn't know any other way. It wasn't till the 2000s I heard about WASD and I actuslly remember thinking "WASD? Why? That's fucking retarded". But it was I who was the mongoloid.

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/05/11/how-half-life-killed-the-first-person-shooter/

I made this.

>>7113829
Gay song.

>>7113816
>rockpapershotgun
Pretty low of you.

>>7113358
>This is why games like Doom, Mortal Kombat and SFII bug me, because after
you've beaten all the bad guys, it's over. You've won. There's little desire to go back -- for me at least.
What a fucking retard, Doom is replayable as fuck.

>>7113846
Whats wrong with RPS?

>>7113860
Go back.

>>7113878
Where? I've been on the site since 2007, mostly on /b/ back then as most people were. You go back.

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?random

Haven't been posted in a while and I want to play some random wad, so why not play together.

>click link to get a random upload from idgames
>play it (as far as you want anyway)
>no need to finish it if you don't like it - it's supposed to be fun
>take at least one screenshot
>post a link to it here in reply afterwards
>tell us what you thought about it
>if you get a DM map, texture pack, or utility, etc, reroll

>>7113860
They're scum. Came to interview Blizzard (before their own sjw-fication) about a game and ended up lecturing them about female role models before getting thrown out. And Blizzard caved and apologized instead of them. Fuck RPS.

>>7113903
Ah ok, yeah thats pretty gay

>>7113883
Then go back to /b/

>>7113958
kek

>>7113898
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/m-o/nb_wst01

Wasted 1: Industrial Zone

Pretty short level, but quite fun. Played on HMP, but I'll retry it on UV now - because reviews say it's quite more tough.
Also I think I'll go try his second Wasted map.

>>7112462
>though given how good Quake did turn out anyway
They pretty much took the new engine and implemented the tried old formula from Doom, adjusting for engine limitations (like having to do with less enemies). It worked, but ultimately it pushed id into creative rut from which it will never come out. To this day, even in its zombie form, id is still trying to put a new spin on a "marine with a shotgun" formula.

>>7113970
UV has one less enemy, but there are more dangerous ones and revenants make an appearance. Not too tough, but even more fun.

What Doomguy would've looked like if Tom Hall's Doom Bible had been used.

>>7113958
Oh god no, its all BBC porn and stale pasta nowadays

>>7113970
And Wasted 2 is very symmetrical and I think easier too. Still both were quite fun, but I liked 1 more.
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/m-o/nb_wst02

>>7113991
>Fat Master Chief

>>7113991
Looks like Tom was a fan of Starship Troopers.

>>7114019
>Doomguy feels an imp
>"IT'S AFRAID!!!"

that'd be quite the imp encounter huh fellas

>>7112365
>>7112394
Based. Actually had a cool Marathon Durandal dream this morning predicated on its floaty physics. Enemies (many of them simulacrums) would continuously flood in through two doors in a single large room, while the player has to ride elevators located in different corners, hitting switches that would activate further elevators/switches but also usher in larger waves of enemies. You couldn't control the elevators' descent so once on top you had several seconds to shoot as many simulacrums with your pistol and maximize splash damage, so that you could jump mid-air into an enemy-cleared path to the next elevator without getting blown up. After a few cycles these massive Shrek enemies - thin but probably 50 feet tall - began to spawn in and they could Hulk-punch you even at the top of an elevator. Those spooked me and I woke up.

>>7113410
>>7113407
>>7113392
Classic FPS thread, but play HL2 with SMOD Redux or MMod for the best experiences with it.

>>7113970
>>7113898
Is it just me or are none of the mirrors except Germany (TLS) working?

>>7112571
Deadspace

>>7114071
I have dreams about Marathon as well, but instead it's about how my map editor keeps crashing every five polygons.

>>7114072
I hope someone will mod MMod gunplay into Dark Interval mod. I consider it real HL2

>>7114082
Most of them worked for me just fine, must be your connection, try pinging those servers.

>>7113059
Surface Tension may be the normie pick but it's such an objectively excellent map.

>>7114091
Are you using Forge or something else?

>>7114101
It's where the combat truly shines. It, and On A Rail, and We've Got Hostiles are the best ones.

>>7114096
Holy shit they're doing public alpha tests for Dark Interval, I had no idea. Here's hoping indeed they incorporate MMod.

>tfw just beat Onslaught and Hunted
Aside from being lost in Hunted for like 20 minutes, it was pretty fun. Honestly have no idea how I beat Onslaught. I was getting my ass kicked just trying to get past the Baron at the door with the Chaingunners, but I got through it once and then it was a clean run from there. Didn't even have trouble with the final trap since I had the blursphere from the secret still.

>>7113991
It's green, therefore Doom. Alf go to bed it's getting late

>>7112394
Too bad Marathon itself does not live up to it

>>7110184

>>7114151
Worst assault rifle in video game history, and that rocket launcher is pitiful compared to Doom's. A shame, I really like Marathon's atmosphere, but I cannot stomach that fucking gameplay.

>>7114160
>Worst assault rifle in video game history, and that rocket launcher is pitiful compared to Doom's.
>t. doombabby that hasn't figured out Marathon's three dimensional physics
The assault rifle exists for crowd control; grenade launcher to snipe enemies and to corral them, rifle mode when you're up close to stun-lock them. The rocket launcher can blast people across an entire map. The only shitty weapon in the full Marathon Infinity arsenal is the flamethrower.

>>7111598
Im stuck and don't know how to proceed

>>7114160
It does have one of the best shotguns in FPS, flamethrower satisfies inner war criminal, pistols feel like they hit hard and punching is viable if you're good at evading projectiles. The Alien weapon differs in 1 to 2 but it feels like what the AR should've been because it absolutely demolishes everything and feels good to use. It's also cool that it's the first game to actually implement guns akimbo (it was more like just another weapon in the roster in ROTT)
However, as I'm not a fully blind Marathon fanboy, I do agree the gameplay is not as good as Doom's. Every weapon in Doom is very useful and the enemy variety overall better. The floaty physics in Marathon is cool concept because it's supposed to simulate that you're in space but it sometimes becomes a chore when going through stairs. I'd say the thing Marathon has over Doom is that it doesn't have hitscanners and no-damage runs are a fair challenge.

>>7114189
I'd say it's better in Marathon 1 since it melts everything except Hunters. I haven't gotten too far in Marathon 2 and Infinity yet.

>>7114071
Fun fact, that illustration was actually done for a movie adaptation of Snow Crash that was planned to come out in the 90s but because it went through development hell, it was used for Marathon.

>>7113720
I met Romero. Im the same height as him. He's 5'8 in cowboy boots.

>>7114189
This. It feels great to shoot grenades into a crowd and watch them explode into piles of gore. Grenadejumping and Rocketjumping feels great to pull.

>>7114202
Based
>>7114189
Not based

>>7114202
Based but I'll say that even if Marathon falls short in some gameplay aspects compared to Doom, it sure is a great competitor. Bungie's biggest mistake was making the game for MAC instead of PC. It could've been far more popular and we'd have Forge on steroids nowadays.

>>7114208
>I'd say it's better in Marathon 1 since it melts everything except Hunters. I haven't gotten too far in Marathon 2 and Infinity yet.
Agreed actually, flamethrower is good in the original. But in Marathon 2 it's the last weapon you get and it doesn't work out well for the later levels and enemy groups. I guess calling it shitty is a slight exaggeration, but considering how little ammo you get and how it's only useful on enemies more easily killed with the shotguns and assault rifle, it could have been done a lot better.
>>7114262
I think in overall singleplayer gameplay (complexity, gunplay, physics) Durandal/Infinity beat Doom. Marathon almost feels like a 3D shooter in terms of aiming and the value of precision, yet still has a strong and simple core loop. And the fists are so much more fun in Marathon. The biggest shortcomings are in the buggy-as-shit netplay and the smaller and less interesting bestiary. Doom 2 did an amazing job fleshing out combat with chaingunner/mancubus/archvile/pain ele all filling different niches, while Marathon's only sub-boss type enemy is the juggernaut (which are honestly tedious to fight). I wish that the hunter hound (fast-moving stair-avoiding melee enemy) and apocalypse beast (tank-ish bullet-hell projectile shooter) weren't cut from the original.