/vr/ - Retro Games

I prefer Castlevania X68000

I like Bloodlines more, I just felt like more moments in the game were memorable than Castlevania IV. I remember more sections to stages compared to Castlevania IV I sometimes have a problem remembering some of the levels, and I played them in the same month.

Though I will say, the transition between first and second phase for Dracula in Castlevania IV is really awesome with Simon's theme kicking in.

I used to prefer Castlevania IV but in recent years my tastes have shifted in Bloodlines favor.
Castlevania IV has a great overall atmosphere and I'm a fan of the 8 directional whip, but it's level design is a bit bland and I could beat it in my sleep at this point.
Bloodlines has two different gameplay styles, a much more diverse, challenging and memorable level and boss design, pushes its system's hardware further and has a catchier soundtrack (though CVIV wins when it comes to overall atmosphere).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ncu6d24xM_Y

Now, which does /vr/ prefer of pic related?

>>710563
Both.

Bloodlines clearly wins by the look. IV looks pretty bad graphically since it went for the whole realistic thing. It's also generally faster.
I didn't enjoy the limited continues in Bloodlines. Genesis games tend to be more arcadish than SNES but I saw no reason to change the tradition.

I personally prefer IV. Bloodlines had it's moments, but the controls were stiff where IV was very fluid. IV also had much better music

Vastly prefer Bloodlines.

I didn't like the 8-way whipping or full air control in IV. Made everything way too easy and boring, and it made Castlevania not feel like Castlevania anymore. It felt like some generic platformer.

>>710563
>this thread
>no mention of a metroidvania
>no master race castlevania
muh symphony of the night

>>710764
everything you said you didn't like about Castlevania 4 is the reason why i love it so much.

>>710860
>no master race castlevania
Rondo of Blood was mentioned here: >>710638

>>710860
Because it is between IV and Bloodlines you chuckle fuck.

Bloodlines was great, but the whip guy sucks, and the spear guy is OP. What the fuck is up with that? I found a few special moves for him (swinging and mid-air 8-directional whipping) but he can only whip that way when jumping.

What the fuck is the point of whipping up-right or up-left if you're jumping?

And the spear guy just wrecks shit, he can spin his shit around, super-jump, long reach, can attack diagonally up without jumping.

Also, Genesis Konami games never have unlimited continues. RKA, RKA2 and Bloodlines at least.

SCV4 > Bloodlines for me.

This is so hard for me, similar to hard corps vs contra 3.
I like the style and graphics of bloodlines more. But the gameplay in super castlevania 4 just feels a bit smoother. The music in both is about equal

>>710906
>What the fuck is the point of whipping up-right or up-left if you're jumping?
To attack places other than right in front of you, and allow you to whip up into any ceiling so you can swing from your whip?

I prefer SCIV.

SCIV, but Bloodlines is a great game too.

I can't help but prefer Dracula X though

God Tier:
Rondo of Blood

High Tier:
Bloodlines
Super IV

Mid Tier:
Dracula's Curse
Adventure ReBirth
Castlevania I
Belmont's Revenge

Low Tier:
Legends
Simon's Quest

Shit Tier:
Adventure

>there will never be another ReBirth or a Castlevania V

feels bad man

>>710916
>so you can swing from your whip
Got me there. But otherwise, it's really a hassle. If something is up-right from you, and you jump and whip up-right, you will hit above it. Another problem is because you need to hold left or right, it's tricky to whip diagonally without jumping forward, which often leads to jumping into something or missing.

>>710957
I've never had any of the problems you describe. Sorry.

What Castlevania should I play first?

>>710970
The first on NES, duh.

And play them chronologically in order.

>>710970
Start with Simon's Quest, then play ReBirth, and then work your way through the series' chronology backwards.
START WITH THE FIRST ONE ON THE NES, STUPID

>>710953

You forgot Dracula X from high tier, otherwise you nailed it.

>>710981
>Dracula X
>higher than I, III, and ReBirth
Maybe if we were only talking about music.

>>710970
Play them in the order in this post
>>710953

>>710605
I played through the x68000 version and thought it was hard then I found out I was playing the easy version of the game.....
I think the x68000 version is the hardest Castlevania of them all....


I did a recording of the x68000 version with custom midi because the game allowed it.
Too bad it was a recording of the easy version...
I think because of the higher resolution that it looks better than Super Castlevania IV.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8V06Lt6JC8

Yah I suck at it....

>>710953
>No Symphony of the Night
>No Aria of Sorrow
>No Circle of the Moon

Bad list

I've never found the same combination of pure fun, smooth difficulty curve, and awesome bosses as Super Castlevania IV.

>>711024
>directly comparing Classicvanias with Metroidvanias
>suggesting that other people do so as well
ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING

>>711024

what board are you on

>>710982
>FIRST ONE ON THE NES
But I have a PC port.

>>710981
Dracula X is bad, let's not kid ourselves

>>711038
>castlevania DOS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqPJfLO9XTE

>>711035
>Doesn't agree with what is said so he says it's absolutely disgusting
ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING

>>711030
Awesome bosses? Did we play the same game? I remember everything dying before it could do much of anything after a couple whip attacks.

>>711104
>DOS
Nah man, Windows XP/Vista/7

>>711102
It's not about agreeing or disagreeing, shithead.
The Classicvanias and Metroidvanias are VERY different games and you'd have to be retarded to compare them like that.

>>711124
>Get's proven wrong
>Leads to ad-homonym attacks

typical

>>711123
Aren't those just emulations of the NES versions?

>>711126
Are you the guy in the Virtual Console thread?

>>711123
Just because you play the dos version on windows doesn't make it a windows game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdsfoG6pFuY

>>711128
Probably. I don't have an NES though so how else would I play it?

>>711135
It's the NEs version not dos.

>>711142
>so how else would I play it?
...With an emulator??

>>711149
I meant other than emulation.

>>711142
>Probably. I don't have an NES though so how else would I play it?

That's fine but you don't have to play the DOS version, man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byXd2cbVf20

>>711158
If you want to talk about the dos version just say so.

CV4. Bloodlines has limited continues.

The IV.

Bloodlines is great too, though.
But IV has dem control scheme ("hurr too easy ims os harcor" yeah whatever, I enjoy it, the game also offers a more difficult challenge once you beat it once). Also an excellent team (who also worked on Axelay and some of the members then went on to form Treasure), and simply the best Castlevania OST ever made, no contest. No, sorry Michiru Yamane, you are a great composer, but IV still take the cake as the best CV OST.

>>711207
>best Castlevania OST
Nope.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LuFBlUNoRY

>>711259


Yup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KqUbTi6jN8

>>711272

Nope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44u87NnaV4Q

>>711284


Yup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQRMjAg2jN0

>dat drumming

>>711295

Nope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvD3mNhyRwE
>implying every song in Dracula X doesn't great percussion

lol people crying about limited continues. Why don't you try and, oh I don't know, get better at the game perhaps?

>>711323
I tried, but then I realized replaying levels because of arcade era game mechanics wasn't fun.

>>711323
Seriously. I know you sound like a condescending piece of shit when you say stuff like "maybe you should just get good enough to beat the damn game", but in this case the condescension is kind of deserved. Bloodlines isn't even that hard.

>>711330
>I just want to see all the levels and not be challenged at all, fuck actually having to try or improve as a player to do well
Yup, I can understand how you would prefer SCIV.

>>711321

Here's some real quality percussion, son:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftIM9UkxyPo

I love Rondo's OST anyway, I mean, all CV OSTs are good. I just prefer IV personally because of the composers. They never made another Castlevania OST again, before, or after IV, so that's why IV sounds so unique.

>>711346

Come on, don't be that guy.

>sage
>taking "hardcur gaman" seriously
>not having fun

>>>/v/

>>711350
>not having fun
What?
I have the most fun when a game actually challenges me, and I can see myself improving as I get further and further each time I play.
It's why I try to 1CC shmups and run and guns and such.

SCIV to me is very boring. I don't feel like I even have to try, because I don't even have to try.

>>711024
>castlevania I
>castlevania III
>gods creations
agreed

>>711374

It's great that you are some sort of vidya demi-god and you only need the highest of the difficulties to have fun.
Too bad I'm just a plebian and while I also enjoy challenges and do 1cc myself, I can enjoy a game like SCV IV too because, even if I know it's not as challenging as Bloodlines or Castlevania III, the controls still feel fantastic and the game is just so fun.

Why the sage though?

>>710981
I liked what one guy said, Night of the Stubborn Lancemen.

Bloodlines. Faster and feels more like a real Castlevania game.

Which of the two games had the most feels?

>>711259
>>711272
>>711284
>>711295
>>711321
Ah, a Castlevania soundtrack fight. I love you, /vr/.

>>711126
Shut the fuck up guy. OP clearly stated the purpose of the thread to was discuss C4 vs Bloodlines.

OP, you should have included
> in b4 hurr durr muh metrodvanias

Never played Bloodlines, how well does it control? I never liked the stiff movement in any of the NES or SNES Castlevanias, actually the only older one I like is Rondo of Blood, and playing as Maria, she's much more responsive than those Belmont stiffs.

>>711323
It's more about whether you should have to keep replaying the stuff you already know in order to practice the bits you don't. And really, Super Castlevania IV has passwords, Rondo of Blood lets you start from a level you've already played. Neither has a limit on continues.

>>713876
It's controls are less stiff than CV1-3, but more stiff than SCIV and Rondo(Richter). The stage design in this game is absolutely fantastic, and by far Bloodlines' strongest point, but some of the sound design can be classified as ear rape.(Like the hellhound in the first level) This doesn't count the music though, which sounds really good:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSn1f-Xz8go

>>710860
We should be able to go one thread without someone complaining about SOTN being too easy.

BlodlinesBeter level design,boss batles,music,grafics.

I just played Simfony of the Night and i think its piece of shit.I dont like open world Caslvenia games

>>713985
>Equip no weapons and fight bare-handed thinking it will make game harder
>Makes game even more easy mode
SotN is way too easy.

>>713965
Might give it a try later, SCIV was alright for levels and other reasons.

>>713786

but that fucking dog wouldn't stop attacking me man... I didn't want to...

shit...

>>713786
Bloodlines; I felt bored.

As impressive as IV is, I just enjoyed Bloodlines more.

I prefer Castlevania 3.

>>710638
Chronicles loses points for being the starting point of the god awful redesign trend of classic CV characters. It DOES have original mode but that fucking pink poodle Simon chafes

Bloodlines > SCIV. Bloodlines felt more like an updated 16-bit version of the NES titles, also thought the soundtrack was a bit punchier. Wasn't thrilled with the whip in IV, and the levels had less to do in them.

in the same tradition

Which of these did you enjoy more?

>>714824
Again, going with the Genesis one. Hard Corps is balls to the wall and just LOOKS dangerous. ContraIII is a candy colored mess with some cute effects but the action is SO much chunkier.

>>714824
Aliens Wars for co-op, Hard Corps for everything else.

Bloodline is a good game, but technically it looks someway crappy in certain parts, and this affects even the gameplay, the two protagonist are goofily animated, John Morris can strike only forward and basically have just this move, while Eric Lecarde can strike even upper and can perform a super-jump, and in some stage the background tiles are messed and just ugly to see.
It's too bad, because Genesis could had a great Castlevania chapter, while this is just a fun but simple game.

>>714824
Hard Corps didn't feel like a Contra game to me. It played like a good clone but not an actual entry

>>714852
And CIII did? Come on now.

>>714928
C3 played exactly like how I expect a Contra game to. It even had Rambo and Arnold rather than Anime dude, Werewolf and little robot-thing

You can see the DNA running from Contra-to Super C- to Contra 3
Hard Corps is this hillbilly cousin with the same last name

>>710860
Go away, thanks to SOTN we don't have classic-styled Castlevanias anymore

>>711135
Why is he isn't playing with AdLib sound?

>>714996
>without SOTN we wouldn't have any Castlevanias anymore at all

Fixed that for you. Classical platformers are simply dead. You can only make so many games with the same concept before it gets stale. The series would be long gone without the metroidvania drift.

Mind you, I also like Classicvania better.

>>710563
>Both of these games are classics
Neither of these games are classics. The two the the worst classic Castlevanias.

>>715048

The Castlevania fanbase is one of the sharpiest fanbases ever. They're not completely cunts, and they're usually well educated and know how to write at least, but they are damn hostile to each other when it comes to game preference in the series.

>>715048
>Neither of these games are classics

But they are. At least Castlevania IV is a widely recognized classic. It doesn't make it less a classic just because you think it sucks.

>>715094

SCV IV is basically the REmake of the SNES.

>>715110
that's the most retarded analogy I've read in awhile. you clearly too stupid to be in the internet. please burn your computer and jump out your window.

>>715094
>just because you think it sucks.
It doesn't suck, but it isn't a classic.

It's only "recognized" as a "classic" by the likes of Gametrailers.

Actual classic Castlevanias are I, III, Chinorondo, X68k and MN/SotN, regardless of whether I like them or not. Nothing else in the series is a classic, especially not Bloodlines.

>>715128
>It's only "recognized" as a "classic" by the likes of Gametrailers.

it was regarded as a classic long before that site even existed. now go back to licking windows Corky

>>715128
>SotN is a classic and Bloodlines isn't

>>715121
It's true though. It's a remake of the original game with vastly improved gameplay and graphics

>>715140
>it was regarded as a classic long before that site even existed.
In adverticements, yes.

>>715128
You honestly believe X68 is a classic? You HONESTLY believe that is,but not SCV4?

You have a whack sense of perspective

>>714824
HC because it didn't have those stupid overhead stages like III. Also better weapons and characters to choose from using, and the FM-based music and sounds really complement the action of Contra. Oh, and it's more challenging too.

>>715153
SotN has launched a line-up that eclipsed the main series. I dislike it, but it's a classic.

Bloodlines is just an irrelevant, sub-par side-story.

>>715159
The SNES remake was a dead-end. The series spun off after it, and it's mechanic never caught on. It was about as much of a classic as Simon's Quest.

>>714824

While both Contras are amazing Nakazato's masterpieces, let's be realistic here... Contra the Hard Corps has practically 3x as much content and is just a bigger and more badass game in every imaginable way.
It has cooler characters, more diverse enemies (also less enemies that are references/throwbacks to ones from previous games), crazier set-pieces, awesome story for an action game and like 5 final stages.

>>715260
I don't think you know what classic means...

Best final stage song in any Castlevania, people just mad because they had a SNES
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obUuu_-44jU

>>715301
Also how could you not think Bloodlines has a superior OST, it's composed by Michiru Yamane for fucks sake

>>715273
It was obvious he didn't several posts back

For all those years I had a Genesis as a kid, I never played Bloodlines. I don't remember even seeing on the shelf at stores are at the rental place so maybe that's why. In any case, I think I'll give it a go this weekend.

>>714779
I kind of like pink poodle Simon. Never saw what the big deal was, his pretty boy looks are consistent with the same design people loved in Symphony of the Night and pink's been a mans color for longer than blue has been (didn't get switched until the 20th century).

So is there actually any reason to take the whip guy in Bloodlines over the spear guy?

Seriously, the spear guys seems better in ever way possible.

>>715384

Different experience? More challenge? Get to see the alternate route on level 5 with the unique enemy. Different ending?

>>715384

Didnt Eric die a little bitch death?

Also
>Spanish
>named Eric

good one Konami

>>715273
Classic means "has class or pedigree". Alternatively, it is sometimes used to mean "immensely influential" when talking about art. It has nothing to do with "popular", "heavily-adverticed" or "cult".

>>715518
Konami made better games when they had as little actual intimacy with Spain as possible.

>>715791
Amen.

>>714824
>branching paths
>four different playable characters
>faster action
>focus is shifted more towards crazy boss fights
>no shitty overhead mode 7 wankery
Hard Corps all day every day.
Although I could understand why someone would prefer Alien Wars, which is something I can't say about Super Castlevania IV.

>>715048
That's impossible because Simon's Quest and The Adventure exist.

>>715791
fuck yeah

>>715384
Because I want to use a whip. I have only beat it with Morris.

>>710710
The 68000 was a really popular processor, especially in arcades. Sega were smart to use that processor, because it made it a lot easier for arcade companies to develop on the Genesis, and to port arcade games to it.