/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7095614
Because in T1 they were doing what they wanted and were not derailed by the fans' feedback.

>>7095614
Thief 1 is like playing a D&D Thief and also had a long and weird development cycle that left some things in and added a lot of depth to the final product. Thief 2 stripped away all the bite and edge Thief 1 had, because it filtered plebs too hard. Thief 2 is fun, but it's entirely what you would expect. It feels like any other video game. It's sterile in comparison although still has way more soul than 99% of other games

Because T1 forces you to stealth. T2 stealth is optional, and literally impossible in the last mission.

>>7095614
It's not. Thief 2 has better art direction, and the level design maintained the perfect balance between being fantastical and grounded.
>>7096313
On the contrary, most of the team had no idea what kind of game they were making until after it had shipped. It was a mishmash of ideas put together in a rushed development cycle.
Thief 2 is superior because they had a cohesive vision of what kind of game they were making from the start.

>>7095614
Because they replaced the spoopy supernatural elements with generic and soulless technology transhumanist faggotry.

>>7095614
How is Gold compared to TDP?

>>7096617
The new missions are shit with the possible exception of Song of the Caverns and the changes they made to TDP's missions are for the worse, especially Lost City's.

>>7095614
It's weird how much more I've come to appreciate the undead missions over the years when at first I absolutely hated them.

>>7096617
Very much a mixed bag. Song of the Caverns is a classic and you should at least play that mission if nothing else. Personally speaking, I like all the new missions to varying extents though I understand the criticism of them.

>>7096617
Thieves Guild is kino on second playthroughs when you know what to do. Mage Towers has a cool setting but it drags on way too long. Song of the Caverns is okay, I can take it or leave it.

>>7096526
>Thief 2 is superior because they had a cohesive vision of what kind of game they were making from the start.

Just because it's uniformly bland instead of a patchwork of often brilliant, sometimes awful maps does not make 2 the better game. The opposite, actually.

>>7096775
Thieves Guild is a map set up as a giant Y. If you're getting lost in that map, you're probably the same kind of brainlet who would get lost in Half Life.

>>7096498
>T2 stealth is optional, and literally impossible in the last mission.
Fucking what? In Thief 2 there are missions like Casing the Joint and the Police Station which insant-fail you for being detected.

>>7096526
>It's not. Thief 2 has better art direction, and the level design maintained the perfect balance between being fantastical and grounded.
LMAO. Of all the things to pick. You would've had an argument if you picked any other point but this.

>>7096735
They have 10/10 atmosphere. When you first play them they are not what you are expecting and throw you through a loop, which causes everyone to hate them because they're not mentally prepared for it.

>>7096848
Only pseuds would claims that Thief 2 is bland. Life of the Party and Trail of Blood have better atmosphere and worldbuilding than any level in TDP.

>>7096848
Only pseuds would argue that Thief 2 is bland. Life of the Party and Trail of Blood have better atmosphere and worldbuilding than any level in TDP.

>>7095614

IIRC it gave me anxiety without end. Was it really comfy?

>>7096526
>most of the team had no idea what kind of game they were making
Most of the team didn't have to. It's the project leads who need to have a clear vision. Put another person in charge and you get a completely unrelated game like Thief 2.

>>7096904
>Life of the Party
Constantine's mansion was better
>Trail of Blood
It didn't add anything to the world Escape, Maw of Chaos and others alreayd added
0/2

Not to mention the fact almost every single Thief mission adds depth to the world in some way, meanwhile Thief 2 is entirely centered around the Saturday morning cartoon villain.

>>7096498
>T1 forces you to stealth. T2 stealth is optional
Seemed the other way around, in my experience. In the various horror and tomb raider style missions of Thief 1, stealth was basically meaningless outside of very small moments, with most of the challenge in those levels being the hazards and puzzles, instead. Theres even a mission that requires you to kill every haunt on expert, which in itself goes against Ghosting.
Where as Thief 2 has missions that literally fail you if you knock out too many guards, or even get seen.

>>7097079
>Constantine's mansion was better
If you prefer silly gimmicks over good design
>It didn't add anything to the world Escape, Maw of Chaos and others alreayd added
It gives further insight into the pagans. Escape and Maw of Chaos are the two worst levels outside Gold by the way.
>meanwhile Thief 2 is entirely centered around the Saturday morning cartoon villain
as opposed
Definitely a pseud

>>7097079
>Constantine's mansion was better
If you prefer gimmicks over good design
>It didn't add anything to the world Escape, Maw of Chaos and others alreayd added
It gives further insight into the pagans. Also Escape and Maw of Chaos are the two most shat upon levels other than Thieves Guild.
>meanwhile Thief 2 is entirely centered around the Saturday morning cartoon villain
Definitely a pseud

Thief 2 is to Thief 1, as Doom 1 is to Doom 2. Consistently strong level design > variety of poorly aged gimmicks.

>>7097256
>Talks about world building
>Switches to game design
>Calls people a pseud
Fucking kek. You can't even argue without switching what you're talking about. In terms of world building Thief 2 comes down to this:
>Hey remember that level from Thief 1?
or
>Look at our saturday morning cartoon villain.
It doesn't go beyond that, meanwhile every level in Thief 1 added something to the world. The fact you have to rely on words like "pseud" and switch around what the discussion is about shows just how full of shit you are. Most likely came straight out of fucking /v/.

>>7097292
>aged
Damn it really reeks of /v/ around here.

>>7097292
Poor wording, but great analogy.

T1 and D1 have a rock solid design with some misses here and there, but overall they're a unique and groundbreaking experience.
T2 and D2 still have bits of that inspiration left, but they compromised their potential for innovation to cave in for fan demand.

In Doom's case they dropped the maze designs to cram more monsters inside shooter arenas, and in Thief, they dropped the supernatural and aventure elements to have a straight forward thief simulator.

remember to play some dark mod