/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT PROJECT ===
500ml of /vr/
BETA: https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/7041037/#7043379
https://discord.gg/F968y8Wj4x

=== NEWS ===
[11-15]New progs_dump id1 styled map released:
https://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61976

[11-14] LA Tailor Girl updated:
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=58343&p=1173135#p1173135

[11-10] Serious Sam Collection coming to Switch November 17
https://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/serious-sam-collection-switch/

[11-7] Judge Doomer updates his alpha:
>>7059803 (Cross-thread) (Cross-thread)

[11-7] 2048 units of /vr/ mappers start Temporal Tantrum project:
>>7059720 (Cross-thread) (Cross-thread)

[11-6] Guncaster 3.777 released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=37066&p=1172380#p1172380

[11-4] Faithless (Heretic megawad) - beta released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/117375/

[11-4] Wadsmoosh 1.3 released (can grab intersmission screens from Unity ports)
https://jp.itch.io/wadsmoosh/devlog/192878/wadsmoosh-1

[11-2] 2048 unit of /vr/ is out on idgames (clean / with guns / only guns)
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/2048vr_v1.4
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/2048vr_v1.4g
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/combos/2048guns

[11-2]DBP 29 - Morbid Autumn Released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/117873/

[11-2]Anons creates unused texture resource for Quake games, also added fixed .fgds for Trenchbroom regarding Quake and Quoth.
https://www.quaddicted.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=4211

[10-31]500ML /vr/ Halloween Beta Released! >>7043379 (Dead) (Dead) (Cross-thread)
https://archive.org/details/500ml-vr-halloween-beta

[10-31]GZdoom 4.5 has been released(x64 only)
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=70459

[10-30]Kojima's PT remade in gzdoom.
https://batandy.itch.io/gz-pt

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Suck it down!

This one came out 3 days ago,
https://www.moddb.com/mods/doom-free-roam-pack/news/doom-2-open-world-maps
Doom Free Roam pack, turns Doom 1 and 2 into a single istance open world game apparently, has anyone tried it? Had no idea that GzDoom would support such a thing.

>>7092507
...what? I guess I'll have to check this out when I get up

>>7092496
>>7092507
Oh right might as well reply to the news post about it then.
>*could support such a thing
Speaking of Doom I can't believe that I deleted my doom folder, I had some good WADs there and I will never find them again, welp.

>>7092507
Could be fun to dick around in multiplayer

Sunlust D2ALL UV-MAX was finally accomplished. The absolute madman.

>>7092507
There's really quite a lot that you can do with GzDoom if you put in the effort (and if you're well versed in ZScript). I haven't looked into what this is at all, but this isn't a difficult thing to do if you applied a persistent hub system to Doom and Doom 2's levels (like with Strife and Hexen), and then altered them a little bit to work with them.

What's the ETA on 500 ml of /vr?

>>7092507
GZDoom is a very powerful engine that has already had full-fledged games made on it, and many mods which may as well be their own games. The flak GZDoom gets is in regards to pure experiences of Doom, updates breaking old mods and maps, and performance issues on larger maps.

>>7092525
>The flak GZDoom gets is in regards to pure experiences of Doom
You can configure it to be close enough to matter, there'll be a couple of small things which will be off, but overall I think it's perfectly good to use it as a base for building upon (what's pretty much) Doom's base gameplay, if you want to do that.

>updates breaking old mods and maps
That does happen, but I can't think of a lot of examples of those. I think Pirate Doom was broken for a little while? I remember a lot of people were pissed about that because Pirate Doom rules.

>and performance issues on larger maps
True.

>>7092525
Well I know about Total Chaos but that one seemed to separate each section with a small loading so I thought maybe Gzdoom was not build for big spaces.

>>7092535
Don't mistake me, I use GZDoom all the time. Really, the only reason anyone ought to use anything else is purity for the sake of it, or recording demos. I played Thy Flesh Consumed on Chocolate Doom with pistol start, and that's my badge of honor to let me do whatever the fuck I want. Anyone casually playing Doom will be fine with GZDoom.

Levelord allegedly made and released 4 Doom levels before he worked on Blood and Duke Nukem 3D.

Does anyone know which levels those are? Google doesn't help. According to an interview he was already using that nickname.

>>7092560
They would be a wad made of several levels apparently

i forgive the faggot op for pushing a late at night thread, but this weekend will still be the HL thread.
also could someone find RTCW and UT meme pics for next week since RTCW is november 20 and UT is November 22?

Has anybody ever made a Super Noah's Ark 3D wad?

Madlad did it.
Doom 2 - 43:55 on Nightmare - all secrets, including the bugged secret on map15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3V76cS9Huo

Holy shit how can you be that dedicated?

>>7092596
>nightmare 100% secret run
>even goes for the bugged secrets, even though you don't need to for the purpose of scoring
He keeps doing it.

>>7092560
graydoom

Speaking of ZDoom, not many people are aware that recent versions of LZDoom (stripped down, less resource intensive GZDoom) now have the option to enable Doom's PRNG tables. Though the jury's out on how exactly this affects pwads.

>>7092574
also i was looking here
How a "do you want to play some RTCW" would work along with wolf 3d?

i even went to check HL but there isnt a full fledged guide for it

>>7092608
thanks!

>>7091381
>I think he's talking about the mental defectives obsessing over HL and shitting the thread up for it.
That was it yeah.

>>7092523
This. I want that Quake project to finally start.

>>7092519
Link?

>>7092560
By the way, was he as popular in US as in Russia? Russian gaming journos kept bringing him up all the time because wow real American dev is living in Russia haven't you guys heard.

>>7092647
Pls no I'm still learning trenchbroom

>>7092691
I'm from Western Europe but yes, he's popular. He managed to be the name behind "Duke Nukem 3D" despite himself saying AHB is the real deal

>>7092596
>Map 15:
>Includes 100% secrets, unfortunately at the cost of about 2 minutes, 1 of those because the pain elemental was messing around. Lost several attempts here to the pain elemental not showing up, once he even managed to go to the outside area instead. A couple of times I've been shot into the teleporter by some respawned shotgunner.

>>7092695
In fairness, Blum is ridiculously fucking good at making Duke maps.

>>7092707
Faster

>>7092717

>>7092725
There is an enemy in Risk of Rain 2, got a machine gun and gives me gunner's flashbacks.

Take the ROTTpill, lads!

>>7092892
I don't know what it is, but I just don't like playing triad: The graphics aren't personally appealing to me and map layouts feel like the devs tried to awkwardly cram a platformer from the earlier era into a 3D play space directly.

>>7092560
Graydoom, and it's shit.

EAT HIS ASS.

>>7092986

>>7093025
What the hell is that render from anyways

>>7093025
How long has it been since Doomguy felt the touch of a woman? lol

>Playing through Ancient Aliens
>Feeling guilty about not pistol starting
I'm considering starting again and trying for a pistol start run instead. It feels silly losing all your weapons every time you go to a new area but at the same time I can't help but feel I'm breaking the maps a little by bringing over guns that weren't intended for the start of the map.
What the hell have you people done to me?

>>7093090
Just play saveless, pistol start any map that manages to kill you on continuous out of respect.

>>7092909
It's ok, ROTT is for CHADs only.

>>7093040
Real question, has he ever felt the touch of a woman?

Do you faggots believe this?
>>7093119

Man it's fun fucking around, while mapping for half life.

>>7093130
None of those are bad games on their own, it's not their fault everyone decided to make a template out of them and turn the FPS genre into homogeneous mush for years.

>>7093139
Of course i forget to do screenshots, when i needed it the most.

>>7093130
No. FPS never died.

>>7093130
it's just a troll

>>7092496
https://github.com/Erick194/DOOM64-RE
The DOOM 64 source code reverse engineering for the real N64 hardware finally released by GEC.

>ignore and report alf and his tranny discord squad posts and threads
also on the tech part, went on to test marty's Raytracing on Q1, and it doesnt work

The gun mesh takes priority over the entire screen, while in Q2 and Q3A this doesnt happen, possibly due to how the 1st person camera works

>>7092909
I'm not a fan of how "boxlike" every level is. With all the other cool stuff happening in this game, it was a bummer seeing how limited the level design had to be.

>>7093130
>Goldeneye
lul. The only FPS games to copy Goldeneye were Perfect Dark and Timesplitters. The closest any other game ever got to copying it would be Hitman, and even then thats a stretch.

>>7093130
Yes. Though the golden age of FPS truly died with the advent of 3D/end of the sprite era

>>7093221
Your loss then

>>7093183
That is a downside but all the flying GADs, jump pads sending both you and
enemies up to 5 stories high to have gunfights in mid air, the ludicrous gibs and its overwhelming amount of SOUL make up for it.

There is nothing more based than blowing a guard to gibs while he is in midair from a jump pad with a heat seeker.

>>7093227
No, my gain. Your loss by suffering through shit games.

>>7093232
Muh doom clones
Everytime.
Get better taste please.

>>7093230
One thing I miss about mapping in Boom format rather than ZDoom - no way to make jump pads.

>>7093115
I'm sure he had fucked before shipping out and ending up on Phobos. But its probably been since before the first "DOOM incident" that he actually got laid because according to the Doom 64 manual he was severely emotionally fucked up after coming back from Hell

>>7093230
>That is a downside
Yeah, that and the limited weaponset is a bummer. LOVE the gibs and music, though. I enjoy going back to it and Wolf 3D every once in awhile.

>>7093183

same,
same goes for wolf3d, boxy maze levels i don't miss at all

Base Ganymede doesn't fuck around, but I am liking the challenge so far.

>>7093249
Limited bullet weapons kind of sucks but there are still alot of missle type weapons. I love that MP40 though, feels good to just spray and unload on enemies because ammo is infinite.

>Pistol start for the first time on Doom II
>get filtered by 04
I haven't felt this bad at video games in a while

>>7093280
what difficulty? are you using infighting to save ammo?

>>7093264
I really miss the chaingun in ROTT. Explosions are fun and the MP is okay but this is still my winner.

>>7093284
UV, ammo isn't a problem I'm just having trouble getting out of the starting area since there's a ton of enemies and I can't kill em all with the pistol

>>7093280
Really? That one was pretty easy imo. It was the next one I think that gave me trouble my first time.

>>7093294
open the door, let them shoot each other, stay in starting room, open door, let them shoot each other.
shoot them one by one by the time they make it to starting area. then pick up chaingun/shotgun and snipe the shotgunners behind the up and down barrier.

>>7093285
Yeah the Wolf3D chaingun is pretty fucking based. Love BJs evil grin and the little ominous tune it plays when you pick it up.

>>7093285
Honestly I am OK with the MP40 taking the place of the chaingun; I just wish there was a shotgun. In the bottom middle you can see the weapons they originally had planned when it was still going to be Wolfenstein 3D Part II.

>>7092507
Whoa, I am not at home to try this right now but that is awesome - a seamless open world was Carmack's original plan for DOOM before deciding it was too difficult and going back to individual levels. It would be awesome to see what it might have been like.

>>7093256
>Base Ganymede doesn't fuck around
You will be pleased to see where Base Ganymede ranks in difficulty compared to other megawads
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/107015-wad-progression-for-skill-improvement/
It's a Doom 1 megawad so the difficulty will be lower since there are no revenants or arch-viles etc. Base Ganymede doesn't have particularly difficult encounters, it instead achieves difficulty by giving you barely any health and wearing you down by attrition. For example, IIRC there is only one spot in the entire megawad with two medkits side-by-side and that's on E1M7. Hitscanners are a tiny minority of enemies so with skill (and/or memorization) you can dodge almost everything so it's very fair. These are some of the best-looking maps which is doubly good considering it's a vanilla-compatible Doom 1 megawad using stock textures. I like the atmosphere and the music. Something about the setting captures my imagination.

>>7093130
Why do /v/edditors pretend we hate any fps that's not doom or quake?
Are you trying to fit?

What are some good mapsets for Highway Acceleroid Booster?

>>7093363
>that last wad on that list
What is the appeal of maps like this?

>>7093363
aha, I am actually working my way through that very thread. I'm only 3 maps into BG and I'm already liking the vibe, cool Doom 1 techbases are my jam. I love working with the bare minimum, this should be great.

>>7092523
>>7092647
Sometime later this month or very early December (Around November 30th or so). Here's what I'm working on now.

You guys can start getting the Quake stuff organized now if you really want to.

RAWR RAWR I'M GOING TO RESPOND TO THIS IMAGE SHITPOSTING ABOUT LITERALLY WHOM?

>>7092496
>>7092495
World first run of Sunlust D2All-UVMax has been accomplished today. Final time was 4 hours, 23 minutes, 47 seconds.

This means doing all 32 maps of Sunlust getting all kills, all secrets, in one single go without using saves. Daerik started the grind for this 5 months ago, back in June.

>>7092689
>>7092519
VOD is here
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/807388877

>>7093476
>HUH 2: ELECTRIC HUHALOO

>>7093204
Is it even really copying if it's the same people?

How's Marathon? It any good?

Don't you just hate it when you play some good maps and they ruin your self-image as a competent map designer.

Base 13 or Tricks and Traps on Crack

>>7093570
Slow movement, horrible mouse control, ugly enemies, unsatisfying weapons, boring level design

>>7093570
it is good, ignore alf and his clones.
also play by yourself, and form your own opinion.

>>7093635
Dude shut up with the conspiracy theories. I dont know who alf is or what he has to do with marathon, i just know it's a very unfun game and it's a better use of time to just play Doom mods or Build games.

>>7093649
>dude im not alf
>repeats the same repeated shit as him about a good game series
Shouldn't you be at /pol/ wit your friends doing cope and conseed posting?

because as far as i know, you are ban evading.

>>7093256
>>7093363
Started this few days ago. Very enjoyable wad. There is always something interesting in challenging doom 1 wads, because you have to be very creative to create the challenge without doom 2 monsters. After bg, i'm gonna delve into no end sight, which has been praised as very challenging and great doom 1 wad.

>>7093635
>>7093649
>>7093665
Take your meds.

>>7093665
Dude, more than one person can dislike a game.
Do you want this to be a hugbox where people can only discuss games positively?

>>7093251
I can forgive Wolf3D because it came out before Doom.

>>7093570
it's okay so far
I did beat it once
I'm currently going on a second run.

>>7093571
I got over that when I found out people liked the maps I made, that means I'm on the right track and I just need to keep improving.

>>7092560
>>7092972

My personal ranking of Levelord's Duke Nukem levels including his unreleased single player maps and World Tour maps:

>god tier
The Abyss
Sewers Below or Sewer

>good tier
Warp Factor
Flood Zone
LA Rumble

>ok tier
Raw Meat
Hotel Hell
Sewage Company or Sweeney
Shop-N-Bag
Pigsty
Red Ruckus
Tour de Nukem

>shit tier
Incubator
Spin Cycle
Bank Roll
Movie Set
Rabid Transit
Fahrenheit
XXX Stacy
Bloody Hell
Prima Arena

>unrated (because they are kinda awesome, but shit at the same time)
Lunatic Fringe
Tier Drops

He has a pretty mediocre record for a level designer. Allen Blum was certainly better.

>>7093389
These maps add another type of challenge on top of vanilla Doom ones.
You are not fighting a set of monsters on designated locations - you are a speck of dust, about to be crushed by an enormous wave. You need to run, hide, conserve ammo, make monsters infight each other, retreat carefully and keep your distance.
I guess that's the appeal - overcoming impossible odds.

>>7093732
>god tier
>sewer level

I'm not trolling and not a civvie-fanboy, but is it really possible to make a good sewer level?
Where is that map from? Is it from World Tour?

>>7093752
Toxic Touch from AV is a great sewer level.

>>7093364
Well I mean Halflife and Unreal are pretty gay so..

>>7093760
It's great because it was made by the same guy who made AV's map 20
He's a master of creating maps with confined space. And he also gave Toxic Touch and Misri Halek good lightning, which is a rare thing in the history of sewer levels.

Not every sewer map has a designer like this, unfortunately

>>7093570
Marathon 2 is based. Dual wielding double barrels kicks ass. Story is cool. Gameplay is fun. I really dislike 1 though.

>>7092507
Well it's more of a technical concept right now.
Here's what it looks like - just a field with remote areas representing individual levels - I would not call it a seamless open world.

There are some quests and NPC's, but they are experimental and scarce.
For example, you get a quest from marine in e1m1 to find another marine in e1m9 - and when you find this marine, he gives you a plasma rifle.
The idea is cool though

>>7093221
This. It unironically lost its SOUL in the jump to 3D.

>>7093875
Looking like a GTA map. I'll watch out for updates.

>>7093363
Based Base Ganymede poster

Do you even need to download Aleph One separately to play Marathon or do they come bundled with it?

>>7092596
It's Zero Master, what do you expect?

>>7093875
Oh, that's what it's doing? Honestly that looks kind of like shit from the automap.

>>7093875
>There are some quests and NPC's, but they are experimental and scarce.
>For example, you get a quest from marine in e1m1 to find another marine in e1m9 - and when you find this marine, he gives you a plasma rifle.
>The idea is cool though
Now THAT sounds cool. Getting Doom RPG vibes from that.

>>7093476
I move there should be a wait. Blood projects are scarce enough, but a project of this size? It deserves some limelight

>>7093868
the only downside to 2 and infinity is no music

http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/shadow-warrior/
>"There is a very fun game here, with aesthetic level looks at points, but when you’re having a blast shooting down demon hordes, Lo Wang will open his mouth and then you remember the context. You fight a sumo wrestler who has poison farts and just deflate. This should be a classic, but it’s very, very hard to get past the ugliness of its vastly outdated racism."

Thoughts? Does Shadow Warriors racism bother you like it does HG101 (and even Civvie for that matter)

>>7093990
Not to the extent where I can't enjoy it. Was there anything in Duke as bad besides all the women?

>>7093990
these are the kind of people who don't like kung pow or mxc, not worth listening to their opinions.

>>7093990
No. I actually just think Lo Wang's voice is annoying to listen to.

>>7093990
It doesn't bother me in the least, it adds to the appeal and charm. Lo Wang is a badass to be admired. Infact I'd debate it even really exists, the wimp just whines over nothing in that article. hardcore gaming my ass

>>7093990
Stop replying to this baiting faggot

>>7093990
Lo Wang is awesome. He's also very clearly not meant to be taken seriously, he's a character like Ace Ventura.

>>7094001
YOU TAKE THAT BACK YOU SON OF A BITCH. John William Galt was fucking based, god rest his rotund soul.

>>7093990
OH, YOU LITTLE TINY DICK!

>>7094008
You replied homo. Discussion about stuff like this makes the threada interesting. If it was up to you the whole thread would just be mapping autism.

>>7093875
Interesting, but from the looks of it, seems like an unpolished concept, would like to see something like Strife, which by the way when I found I was quite impressed to see an early FPS attempting something like that, I can see it working for Doom 2 since is all set on Earth if I remember right, but it would still need a graphic overhaul to make it more consistent, Doom 2 was the biggest offender in term of looking nothing what it was supposed to.

>>7094021
Speaking of mapping autism, how do I put a spectre in the sector over sector with the probotector?

>>7094017
He's not dead.

>>7094021
He already has a thread up with that same article, he's just trying to derail the general into political discussion. Yes, if it was up to me this whole general would be mapping autism.

>>7093990
when it comes to his quotes I always imagine him having the time of his life while slaughtering ninjas, especially when using a tactical warhead

>>7094020
>takusan balls
>su-KOOSHI penis

>>7094021
>Mapping autism
Yes please, fuck your faggot shit.

>>7094021
You're right, discussing race relations in the majority of contexts in 2020 totally isn't a black hole of a topic and always generates very interesting discussion. Fuck you and making me reply to you.

>>7094021
Get fucked.

>>7094030
Someone in one of the last threads said he died recently but I guess they were mistaken.

Well don't halt on the Galt

>>7094038
You have to be the gayest motherfucker in these threads, you're the one who randomly just screams into the void "STOP REPLYING TO THEM" "STOP BEING FAGGOTS YOU GUIZE REEEE". I bet you're a slav too.

>>7094041
Seethe harder and maybe it'll happen

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?random

I'm tired after work, so how about this game again?
Gonna download something myself after I post this.

>click link to get a random upload from idgames
>play it (as far as you want anyway)
>take at least one screenshot
>post a link to it here in reply afterwards
>tell us what you thought about it
>if you get a DM map, texture pack, or utility, etc, reroll

>>7093990
Goddamn I'd love to tell this dude to shut the fuck up

>>7093990
>(hope you like cute references to nuclear warcrimes!)

He says ""Just like Hiroshima."
"Just like Nagasaki.""

A warcrime? Fucking retard, yeah right let's invade Japan and cause even more deaths, that's humane.

>>7094051
What happens if we roll a megawad? I just got Congestion 1024.

>>7094057
Play as far as you want. Maybe you found a megawad you really like and will eventually finish? Only one way to find out.

>>7094057
Play for as much as you want and share your thoughts based on levels you played through.

>>7094051
Fuck, yes, I'll roll. I'll need something to wind down before I finish this texture and then go to do my math studies.

>>7094052
Well his official website is here:
https://bithedarkside.wordpress.com/

Also his description on his HG101 writer page:
>"Freelance games and anime writer, lover of indie games and old point and clicks. Bi, male, will go on forever about existentialism if given the chance."

Why the fuck does you being bi have to do with old video games? You never see people list "Straight" in bios like that.

>>7094068
Because he thinks his sexuality can be a substitute for his personality?

>>7094056
The Japanese were utterly defeated. The fantasy of every Japanese citizen fighting to the death was just that, fantasy, they were starving at that point. They could've easily blockaded them until surrender. Nukes were a big dick move to assert dominance in the post war world, wasn't at all necessary to deal with the Japs.

>>7094070
Sad.

>>7094034
I honestly have no idea what that line even means.

>>7093732
I hate that eCelebs have convinced retards who didn't play that Spin Cycle isn't an awesome level.

>>7094051
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/s-u/supjosh
A really simple and straight forward 'myfirstwad' kind of level. Short, simple, and not hard, but not bad either. You gotta start out somewhere.

>>7094051
I got Baron's Barbeque from 1995 (https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom/a-c/baron).). This level fucking sucked but showed some signs of promise. The author had the good sense to group barons and cacos together so you could make them infight and then berserk punch the remaining baron. One completely skippable cyberdemon fight gives you an invuln and a BFG which trivialize the ending. Too many doors textured as walls give this one a 1.5/5

Say I have 3 variables, x, y, z, each with the potential of being 1-10.
Is there a better way to have a script do something if they're all the same without making 10 if/else statements?
(I want to do 10 different things, so just checking if x==y&&y==z wouldn't be sufficient)

>>7094051
>>7094059
>>7094060
Congestion 1024 (https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/1024))
Map 01: Water Facility
Being the first map, there isn't much to say in terms of difficulty, with only zombies, imps, and some demons to take care of in an open area. You can also immediately find a blue armor, which honestly isn't necessary, because you can also find a green armor a few seconds afterwards. Anyway, the flooded base theme is nice and the map even has one of those midtexture bridges. Nice opening.

>>7094089
I dont understand. If you want to do 10 different things depending on the number that they all equal, you'd need 10 code blocks any way you cut it.

can anyone help me troubleshoot getting multiplayer up with zandorum/doomseeker? couldn't get it to work.

>>7094118
what is the issue you are having?
make sure you've port forwarded 10666 and/or 10667 on your router, and that you go into the server settings box once its up and check visible on my network.

How would I go about using the Y variable with the factor of 10 with the infinite height actors and the tough actin' Tinactin on the sector zone bone?

>>7093990
Does anyone really have trouble with casual racism in humorous contexts? Maybe it's because I grew up in a relatively low class area and went to public school, but nobody really gave a fuck. We all made fun of each other. When it got out I was jewish, do you know how many holocaust jokes were levied at me? But you just hit back; I'd call them wetbacks, or chingchongchis, or tell them to go back to their shitty samoan island. It wad all in good fun. Lo Wang makes me about as uncomfortable as a soft bed.

>>7094101
I guess I was hoping there was a cleaner alternative, like a switch block, rather than
if ()
{
}
else
{
if ()
{
}
else
etc

>>7094096
Map 02: Garden of the Descent
A short hike up a cliffside. Wasn't sure how to progress at the start until I hit a random rock which built a staircase for me. The main threat comes from a revenant trying to kill you from above and a couple of hell knights at the peak of the cliff. Kind of awkward with the infinitely tall decorations, but it uses the limited space well.

>>7094051
UAC's Auditorium from 1997 (levels/doom/a-c/audit.zip). "Based very loosely on the floor plan of the Singapore Press Holdings auditorium". Very loosely indeed. This level is a few paltry rectangles. The large fight in pic related was impressive but had no strategy behind hiding in the doorway (entering gets you riddled with bullets since there's no armour). This map uses E1M8's tags to unlock the exit after killing two barons. 2/5, this is the same year Requiem and HR came out but this feels like a '94 map.

>>7094126
>When it got out I was jewish
That's unfortunate.

>>7094129
You can do switch in ACS. And else if ().

>>7094051
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom/v-z/wadofgum

wadofgum.wad

Literally dude's first wad.
Here you have a maze with flickering lights that literally has no purpose at all, a "puzzle" room where you need to pick a right switch to progress otherwise you'll get softlocked for good, secret door that's required for progressing and not marked by anything, empty rooms, this silly room with a judicial sitting where you need to get on top of that podium even though you don't know you can.

Too many gimmicks, but not bad for a first map

>>7094148
Is that a jury box of Imps?

>>7094157
I believe so, yeah. There was a full room of Imps too

>>7094051
better run trought [sic] the jungle from 2011 (levels/doom2/Ports/j-l/jungle). Apparently a speedmap, this had a nice outdoor area and some fairly detailed interiors. Very forgiving for a Plutonia themed map. None of the fights stick out to me but the balance was fine. The midi is the theme from Cannibal Holocaust which gave this level a serene feeling (if we ever do 94 protons of /vr/ I'm using this midi for sure). 3.5/5.

>>7094051
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom/a-c/class_ep
Classic Episode, it's called. It's an E2 replacement, and a pretty nice one. I only played 2 maps, because I don't have so much time ATM, but I'll definitely come back to finish this one. Detailing and visuals are slightly plain at times, but not so plain as to feel barren or underdesigned by any means, the layouts are good and the combat encounters fun.

This would probably be a pretty good candidate for adding to the official ports.

>>7093886
Looks like shit desu.

>>7094174
I'm still up for 94 Protons Of /vr/ if you guys are interested, particularly if we're doing it in stages, as discussed.

>>7094135
>Implying I'm not a shoe-in for the overlord cabal
See you from up on down.

>>7093527
Based. Thought it would take longer.

>>7094160
Lol looks like they're there to hear the Baron on stage give a speech

>>7094131
Map 03: Dilapidation
A techbase map with a number of monster closets. You can get a plasma rifile in a secret, which helps a lot with a close quarters cacodemon/hell knight encounter. One thing I like is that you can see the same rocky textures as the last map through the cracks in the wall for a nice bit of continuity.

>>7094186
And it is. It's called Angst: Rahz's Revenge - but it still has more SOUL that any true 3D FPS, the only one that retained any SOUL at all was Quake 1 but it was long gone by the sequel

>>7094051
KILL OR BE KILLED from 2006: https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom/j-l/killme
It's a 1994 map alright; big open rooms with hardly any opposition, 2 spots where you can get soft locked, and multiple uses of extremely slow and long elevators, and of course, haphazard texture use. Not to mention a strobe light maze, that only seems to exist to waste your time. Absolute trash.

>>7092495
Holy shit, Eternity Engine 4.01 was released last month and it flew under everyone's radar.

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/117429-eternity-engine-40100-tyrfing/

Are there any Doom 64 mods that make the weapons non-centered and adds reload/cocking animations for the shotguns ala Quake 1.5? Does Brutal Doom 64 add those? I can't stand the hovering centered weapons thing.

>>7094304
>>7092496

>>7094284
Map 04: Outpost 1024
This map was excellent. Uses its space really well, even employing some of that psuedo-3d floor trickery to great effect. It starts to get pretty tough once it starts throwing a bunch mid-tier monsters at you while you have to avoid killing yourself with the rocket launcher's splash damage. Also uses a sweet midi rendition of Quad Machine from Quake 2.

>>7093990
Lmao I'm part-Chinese and I couldn't care less about the generalized Asian racism in the game. It was all played out as a dumb harmless joke, who really fucking cares that much? The most tasteless thing was probably calling a class of enemies coolies, but I'm not going to get bent out of shape over it. It's not like playing Shadow Warrior somehow supports the Asiatic Exclusion League and general hatred towards Asian people. Shadow Warrior was a shooter made in the '90's, people need to get over it and move on.

>>7094027
Yeah, exactly.
And the concept is there - you've got 7-9 areas, and each one of them has something of value.
For example, talking about the first map, including half levels from e1 + Romero's Tech Gone Bad:

> you've got e1m1 with random marines giving you quests
> e1m2 where you find a red key, which is later used in other maps
> e1m9 where you find a marine which gives you the plasmagun
> e1m5 where you press a switch and open access to final level
> e1m6 where you find a skull key for final door

I'd love to see a hub area though.

And RPG elements
And gun-crafting
And enemy respawns
And more quests

>>7094379
Lo Wang is a Jap not a Chicom Chink

>>7094379
Lo Wang's fucking awesome

I'm Russian and I wish they made a build game mocking my nationality.

>>7094379
Yeah honestly thats what I thought was weird about Civvie's review. He whines about muh racism when talking about Lo Wang stupid one liners yet refers to Coolies through the whole review and never makes a peep about what is probably the only thing that some people could reasonably be offended at

>>7094318
For 64 I do not think such a thing exists

>>7094402
He brings that up in one of the videos.

Goddamn dude, how come your eyes don't hurt?

I only play Choco Doom for nostalgia and my head hurts after couple hours

>>7094398
They did, Liquidator 3D.

No but seriously it would just be squatting and drinking booze.

>>7094398
>You have been unperson'd!
>Just like Stalingrad...
>From Russia, with bombs!
Fund it

>>7094407
I forgot he had multiple episodes for it. I rewatched the first one the other day and that just kinda struck me as odd he didn't mention it.

>>7094287
>soul meme

>>7094394
They made lots of broad Asian generalizations while making Lo Wang Japanese.
>game with Japanese nuke references
>calls a type of enemies coolies even though coolie originally referred to Indian and Chinese immigrant workers that came to my country
Not that I find it that offensive, but yeah. I know that nobody on here really cares but it's still worth pointing out. If I was fresh off the boat I'd probably be PISSED at being compared to the Japanese, because despite all the awful shit China has done it's people still haven't forgotten what happened in Nanking.

>>7094406
So I guess the only weapons that have it are the ones Brutal Doom adds in Brutal Doom 64? Bummer. I know in the manual art of the guns it looks like the shotgun has a lever action so I just pretend he is cocking it where I can't see it but that doesn't work for a double barrel.

>>7094394
He has a Chinese name and jokes about Nagasaki. Doesnt seem very Japanese to me.

>>7094436
Yeah isn't "Lo Wang" a Chinese name also? Seems like he is sort of a mix of both, or just the comical American idea of "Orientals" which I think was the point

>>7094441
I'm not sure it ever says specifically, he works for a Japanese company in Japan but his name is Chinese. So I'd guess an ethnic Chinese living in Japan

>>7094451
The Shadow Warrior wiki literally says "China, Japan" as Country of Origin

>>7094448
I'm assuming he's just an "oriental amalgamation" because the devs were a bunch of white dudes that loved old martial arts movies and neat Hong Kong flicks from the 80's. I can't really fault anybody for that, I'd rather Asian people were stereotypically depicted as ninjas over addicts in an opium den anyways hahaha

>>7094340
Last map for now.
Map 05: Autumn in Hell
Here we have a tricky temple map with some dickish moments. Starts you out next to a window where some shotgunners in the next room can immediately shoot you, then you have to go swimming in some nukage with some spectres and no radsuit. I died twice when the map throws an archvile at you with no cover, luckily I discovered a secret wall you could lower to get out of the room you're trapped in. With all that in mind, I still think this is a good map.

Of the old school designs, which Doomguy do you think looks best? Classic Doomguy, Doomguy 64 or Doom from Q3A?

>>7094394
Lo Wang is like half Chinese.

>>7094480
So half Chinese and half Jap? Surely hes not a hapa

>>7094476
Q3A>Classic>64
Just wish the ab window was covered in Q3A.

>>7094476
I'd go with classic. Q3 Doom looks cool but a little overdesigned. D64's design is just.... There.

>>7094483
Yeah thats an issue I have with the classic Doomguy skin in Eternal. I get they are trying to make it look like the cover but it looks less like uniform that was ripped away as the original artwork intent and more like a queerish belly shirt

>>7094398
Affectionate parody is very much a real thing, and both Duke Nukem 3D and Shadow Warrior are examples of such. As goofy and sleazy as they get, and as much as they harp on the clichés, it's still about playing as a cool action hero who saves the world.

I wish more people understood that.

>>7094476
Followup: of the more modern styles which do you prefer? Doom 3guy, Doom 4guy or Eternalguy?

>>7094476
Classic all the way, that design is iconic as fuck. I want to like Doomguy 64 but especially since it's a sprite but Q3A is pretty much just a 3D version of the classic design. 64 is cool but I don't really like the armor being black.

>>7094476
While I do appreciate the other designs nothing will beat the classic Doomguy for me, if for nothing else than years of familiarity drilling it into my brain.

To cap off my shitty part of the SW discussion too, I just wanted to add that the only people I notice getting deeply offended by the game are all white. I'm getting sick of the white liberal left, let us Asian people get offended about things that concern us. Barely any Asian people care about it? Huh, that must mean it doesn't really matter to them and that you should move on with your life. Fuck the white saviour complex.

>>7094493
It is affectionate, although a bit misguided. Either way, it's still a great game that I have fun playing and I'm not going to stop because some dumb white guys say so. I don't look for accurate cultural portrayal in a video game, ESPECIALLY a 90's Build Engine FPS ffs.

>>7094476
I like oldschool Doomguy, as it also includes him on the covers, and as you see him on some of the intermission screens.

>>7094496
Of those three, I like Doom 3 Guy, mind he doesn't actually wear a helmet. Doom 4 Guy looks fine, and I would kind of have preferred if they kept his armor fully covering in Eternal. Oh well.

>>7094501
>just wanted to add that the only people I notice getting deeply offended by the game are all white
Not to veer too off topic but it seems to be that way with most racial outrage like that. It's white people who are cancelling others for 'cultural appropriation' or whatever. It's like they're trying to compensate for white guilt for the past by being the opposite exteme. It's gay and retarded.

>>7094496
E>3>16
Fucking hate the legs and arms in 2016 so goddamn much. They look absolutely fucking awful.

>>7094506
Well I used helmeted Doomguy to make it fit with all the other designs. I thought his actual face in Doom 3 was OK. I think that helmet is fucking hideous and so weirdly shaped its hard to tell what is what BUT I shit on the Praetor Master Chief suit so I gotta go with Doom 3 as well

>>7094512
I totally agree with you. It's all so tiresome, lads.

Either way though, enough of my bitching. What are y'all playing right now? I got Doom 1 +2 on the Switch for dirt fucking cheap awhile ago and I'm about to run couch co-op Rekkr with my roommate. Good shit.

>>7094528
Make sure to turn off V-Sync on the Bethesda versions of Doom 1 and 2. Anons have said it causes considerable input lag.

>>7094539
THANK YOU! I always just thought that I was just way shittier at Doom with a controller than with mouse+kb, I will do this

>>7094528
No idea. I've spent the last month downloading and getting all these games working and running smooth, but aside from E1 of Duke and a bit of a Doom 1/2 base, I haven't played much of them at all. You guys got any recs to playthrough? I got all the classic shit at this point set and ready to go, just need an idea on which to start with.

>>7094519
You know I could never put my finger on what I disliked so much about Doom 2016s design but I think you just said it, its the legs and arms.

I greatly prefer the classic Doomguy skin in Eternal but as another anon said in the previous thread, from a lore perspective he has been through alot of shit since Doom 1 to Eternal and basically given the powers of a demigod... It would make sense he would have upgraded new armor and weapons especially while fighting with the Night Sentinals, instead of still running around in his old marine uniform

>>7094547
Yes, it feels weird doesn't it? Like you can't quite aim right or something? I beat Doom 1 and 2 on Ultra Violence on the old 360 ports including the No Rest For the Living bonus episode, but the first time I got on the Bethesda ports on Xbox One I fucking sucked and didn't understand why. Apparently that is what causes it.

>>7094548
Starting with the first Doom and progressing through all the major games you have by date of release wouldn't be a bad idea, if you start getting bored of the 2.5D titles then try Quake out (vanilla Q1 w/ mission packs, Quake 2 is still worth playing but I never thought the single player was as good as the first game's). There's no "wrong" way to go about playing through anything in the order you wish, but if you haven't played these games before playing in order of release might help give you a bit of context as to what the FPS market was like back in the '90's.

>>7094554
I beat Doom 1 and 2+TnT two months ago on my Xbone, before I got the PC I have now. Playing all these games was honestly the main reason I even decided to get one. Guess I'll take your advice and do Plutonia before moving on to beating Duke or ROTT next, with maybe Quake 1 somewhere there.

Only started playing Blood a month ago and I already have 20+ hours in game time. I might start playing mods like Death Wish.

>>7094562
Been playing the old Duke Nukem 3D port to Xbox 360 lately, good port and its got extras like a rewind feature and collectible concept art. Also it's not the gay Randy Pitchford version so that's a plus. This original port is still on sale on Xbox 360s marketplace for 10 bucks but only the Gearbox rerelease that is 20 is on Xbox One and I assume PS4.

Also bought Duke Nukem: The Manhattan Project and Marathon 2 on my 360 as well. Those two I can play on my Xbox One as well since they're on the marketplace and backwards compatible.

>>7094562
Oh yeah, I'd suggest tackling Blood last or when you're feeling up to a kind of challenge that you're not used to. Blood is a hard fuckin game, but a big part of the learning curve is figuring out the optimal uses of the weapons. It's the most detailed Build game I've ever played that's not Ion Fury, give er a go sometime.

>>7094578
Yeah, I really wasn't into Duke that much until now, but it was pretty damn fun to play and the guy is honestly pretty charming. Doubt I'll ever actually try out the full 3D Duke games, but it's nice to know they're options on Xbone.

>>7094592
I've heard, though I'm the enemy and weapon variety in it and Shadow Warrior don't seem that appealing to me right now. Maybe I'll change my mind once I finally get to them fully.

>>7094608
I liked Blood infinitely more than SW, personally

>>7094416
>If you're reading this, you've probably never heard of this game before. Liquidator: 3D Action is a very obscure Russian game on the Build Engine. This game is so obscure it's like the whole game is unused.

Holy shit. It's even worse than Varingha Accident Brazillian shooter game, right?

>>7094616
I like Shadow Warrior's moment to moment gameplay better than Blood's, but Blood is very special to me. What seals the deal is the grenade launcher vs the dynamite. Keeps the action flowing 100% more than Blood.

>>7094539
>>7094547
>>7094553
It makes a *crazy* difference, it's like the game was gaslighting me.
>Am I actually THIS bad?
>Am I simply this heavily reliant on the mouse?
No, it was just VSync, the game played like normal for me after I turned it off and maxed sensitivity.

So I took the Triadpill and I am really enjoying it. Plan to play the Extreme expansion next and then probably the 2013 remake. I know it's jank and it was made by like 5 people but I am gonna give it a shot.

Are there ANY Rise of the Triad mods or custom maps/mod community for the game? What about the Doom Rise of the Triad TC? Is it good?

Also some anons were talking about the 200 page players guide that was included with Extreme Rise of the Triad and how they couldn't find it anywhere online? I think this is it:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rise-of-the-Triad-Official-Players-Guide-1995-Apogee-Computer-Game-Guide/264921174823

Now we just need to find scans of it, lol. I would buy it myself and scan it if I had the means to scan.

>>7094501
>It is affectionate, although a bit misguided
Could you elaborate? The guys love Hong Kong and Jap shit, so they made the protagonist a mix of the two and he spouts of one-liners in an accent. Would it have been better if he spoke his native tongue?

>>7094618
Its pretty bad but goddamn dude the music. I can't stop listening to this on a loop:
https://youtu.be/CeCBkVX5yto

Someone should use this in a wad.

>>7094643
CHING CHONG NIPNONG NIHONGO ME CHINESE ME PLAY JOKE ME PUT PEEPEE IN YOUR COKE

>>7094638
>Plan to play the Extreme expansion next
EROTT is actually an EXTREMELY sadistic level set, it's as if Dario & Milo Casali were the Toolbox Killers.
I think that unless you play as Thi Barrett, you literally can't beat one of the levels to progress the game further, because all the other characters are either too slow or too fast to make a particular leap, and there's a couple of cruel softlocks in it as well.

I'm not saying, "Don't play Extreme ROTT!", just that it's going to prolapse your anus on every level, and to be prepared for that.

>>7094661
Yeah Lo Wang is funny.

>>7094662
>Toolbox Killers
Ah wish I hadn't been reminded of those guys. One of the most disturbing cases I ever read about, the transcript of the audio recording they made of torturing that girl was fucking brutal. There are some truly depraved people in the world. The one guy who always used pliers even signs his letters "Pliers Bittaker" from prison.

>>7094643

>>7094618
It's bad, but it's not that bad, it's like a total conversion of Duke 3D, but the levels are conected by a hub. There's also no ammo in the levels itself, I suppose the intent was to make the player ration whatever they got in the hub.

>>7094616
Shadow Warrior's gameplay is superior but Blood is a slightly tighter package. I don't think the gap in enjoyability is infinite between them. Then again, I always bet on Duke.

>>7094662
I was somewhat prepared for that after watching this review of Extreme. It's really good and thorough, probably because the guy sounds like a slav and we all know how much they love old shooters. Its damn near half an hour long:
https://youtu.be/2vTgXyBbecY

>>7094684
No pain no gain haha!

>>7094056
The Japanese were utterIy defeated. The fantasy of every Japanese citizen fighting to the death was just that, fantasy, they were starving at that point. They could've easily blockaded them until surrender. Nukes were a big dick move to assert dominance in the post war world, wasn't at all necessary to deal with the Japs.

>what? Waste more lives of whites? These nips aren't even chistians? Just nuke them!

>>7094643
I explained why in the other discussion posts, it should all just be linked in the comment thread (part Asian anon here). It's misguided in that they paint a bunch of different Asian people with the same brush, out of loving ignorance. I don't care but this why some people (mostly white people too lol) are mad.

>>7094716
>I don't care
That's what I was after. Based.
>>7094706
Go to bed, Hirohito.

>>7094706
The loss of life from the two nukes that were dropped pales in comparison to what the loss of life would have been on both sides from a full-scale invasion of Japan. It was probably mostly a power move to scare the Soviets in the end anyways, but that's still a justification. Nukes may be an unforgivable sin, but when weighing the options of two unforgivable evils in wartime you have to be utilitarian in thinking for your country to win/less of your countrymen to die. Look at all the desperate fighting in the Pacific - if you were a general would you really want to commit more of your already exhausted men to invade a country when there's an alternative?
War isn't moral, it's about survival.

>>7093221
I would slightly disagree as I'd argue it peaked with Quake.

>>7094759
Agreed.

>>7094759
Quake is the only 3D FPS that still has the SOUL of the Golden Age of FPS, probably because it was the first and not far removed from that era

Are any of the Q2 mission packs worth it? I didn't like the base single player much at all so I'm curious if the mission packs are better.

>>7094732
>>7094706
You should've just surrendered after Pearl Harbor, the world would be a much better place.

HL1 is 22 years old today.

>>7094795
t. Hirohito

>>7094795
I'm not even American

>>7094796
>HL1 is 22 years old today

Aww, are you really masturbating all by yourself?

>>7094802
Cope.

>>7094802
Believe it or not, some people enjoy things that you DON'T enjoy! Mind-blowing, right?

>>7094796
Jesus this makes me feel old

sleep tight /vr/

>>7094816
Have a good night, buddy

>>7094051
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/g-i/hex

Pretty fun little level. Neat ideas with elevators and the yellow key that tricks you with teleporter linedefs all around it.

How can I leave a review for it on idgames anyway?

>>7094096
Thanks, your posts made me want to check this wad out.

7094802
Like clockwork lol
You are obsessed mate

>>7094796
cool

>>7094796
Kelly Bailey is the best American video game composer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raqLH-raNvw

>>7094816
Good night lad

>>7094816

>>7094051
Blofields Mum
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/a-c/blofield

All I can say is BRUH.
First level is literally 3 rooms, none of them are of any use, since Romero's head is right near you when you spawn.
Second is even worse somehow.

I just love that author was so confident in his shit he literally posted his full address and full name in the readme. I get that it was 96, but come the fuck on.

>>7094854
Here's a screen that came in the zip:
Modified date/time 30.01.1996 - 21:10:04
"This is one of many screenshots from our new
game Doom4 Statn Kicks Arse. A demo will be
out on the ftp soon. Keep your eyes open."

>>7094192
I'd be interested too, but there are concerns that if we started now it might interfere with the blood project or the planned quake project. Perhaps we would be stretching ourselves thin with 3 projects at once. Still, I have a bunch of questions about the project even if it will be a while till work begins on it. Would we be using the plutonia iwad and textures? Would it be vanilla compatible? Would we use custom midis or stock doom? Should the maps be short like the original plutonia or long like plutonia 2? I have opinions but I think these points are still up in the air.

>>7094802
(you)

>>7094864
I have opinions too.

>Would we be using the plutonia iwad and textures?
Definitely. I think we could use a couple from PL2 here and there.

>Would it be vanilla compatible?
I would prefer Boom, as that's what I'm comfortable with, and I think it's much more flexible.

>Would we use custom midis or stock doom?
I generally think it's more fun to use different .midis than the original ones, makes it a little bit more distinct. At least, not restricting ourselves to nothing but D1/D2 ones.

>but there are concerns that if we started now it might interfere with the blood project or the planned quake project. Perhaps we would be stretching ourselves thin with 3 projects at once
That's a very real concern, I'm kind of stretched thin even now, lol. Perhaps 94 Protons Of /vr/ can be a 2021 project?

Oh right.
>>7094864
>Should the maps be short like the original plutonia or long like plutonia 2?
Gee, I mean, I guess we could leave that to people's discretion, assuming they don't try to bite off way more than they can chew, and to not be afraid of making a shorter map.

>>7094858
>Doom4 Statn Kicks Arse

>>7094608
Yeah Duke 3D is fucking awesome. You should play all the official expansions too. Duke is definitely King Dick when it comes to Build Engine shooters, with Blood and Shadow Warrior being its lesser but still good descendents. Blood comes close to being as good as Duke though

As evidenced by counting their frequency on Usenet, "Doom clone" was a more common term than "first-person shooter" until the late 1990s.

>>7094874
I guess I'm mostly concerned about authentically emulating plutonia's style. Custom midis are fine by me but I think boom format would kind of disqualify it from being a proper plutonia clone. Perhaps limit removing is best and we can save vanilla for 128 visplanes of /vr/.

>>7094890
Based fact spewer. Did u play that Downtown Journey ep

>>7094910
>authentically emulating plutonia
Well, does it reeeally have to? I'm fine with just aiming at Plutonia aesthetics and then making it challenging.

>>7094910
Do you mean emulating Plutonia's gameplay? Please don't emulate Plutonia's visual style, it's so unbelievably boring texture-wise that it makes me not want to play it ever. I admire Plutonia for what it did in its point in time (with the hardware limitations and all that) but hot damn is the texturework ever bad when taken out of this context.

Plutonia is pretty fun, but difficult. Aztec in particular just fucked me pretty hard, but a lot of those were from how cruel it could be with surprise monster spawns/placements. Playing with the Midi pack and Final Doomer's weapons seem like a good choice as well.

>>7094952
It looks better than Doom 2.

>>7094967
I'd still argue that's a matter of preference but I don't think you're wrong at all. It's also worth noting that Final Doom came out about two years after Doom 2's release.

>>7094952
Well, if we aren't somehow imitating Plutonia's visuals, how Plutonia would it actually be?

>>7095009
Slightly similar level design (partial "remixes" of sections or specific encounters, if you will) with more bastardly encounters could go a long way. I'm just talking suggestions out of my ass, I'm sure you guys will do great work like you always do. Just fuck Plutonia's boring visuals, man. I hate em.

>>7094051
av20 from memory
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/a-c/av20mem

Apparently it's a remake of Alien Vendetta Map20 from memory. I couldn't pass the first room because of invisible walls everywhere (apparently that's how it was designed), but looking at a monstercount I don't even care to try and continue.

>>7094051
Parthenon
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom/p-r/parth11

A bunch of very tight corridors filled with only zombies around this mostly empty arena.
Pretty boring, although blue key trap was well done.

Date on idgames is wrong - it originally came out on 16.06.94 and it shows.

>>7093379

Just try 'Big Doom' with what ever mapset you like
Use '10x' or 'AI Director' to fill the maps with more enemies if you find the levels now too bare

>>7094930
>>7094960

Wow, it seems like everyone has different ideas about what we're trying to do. I personally like the idea of lost level style maps, that believably could have been part of plutonia, like doom the way Id did but for plutonia. Obviously it's a bit dated visually, but pretty much all conventional maps still takes cues from its level design, so without the aesthetics it may as well be its own thing. That's just my interest because I really love the original though, and I think a throwback would be a fun exercise. I guess it will ultimately be up to the project leader.

>>7095034
Alright, this one isn't random, but readme for Panthenon referenced it

Megawatt
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom/m-o/megapack

For a 94 level it's a real treat. While texture work is pretty basic, it plays well. There are two issues I had with it - not so obvious teleport and the fact that you can sequence break and softlock yourself in a pit with a door that opens from the other side only.

>>7095081
>Panthenon
Jfc I'm sleepy. Parthenon

Second level, Megalab, is much more complex and fun, it shows how mapper's skill improved. Although I got lost now, most likely because I'm falling asleep already, so gonna finish it later.

>>7094287
Absolutely delusional if you think that looks better or has more soul than Half Life 1

>>7093570
It's great although I'd say the first game is the weakest in the level design department. Marathon 2 and Infinity are great.

There's a lot of /v/eddit bait in this thread

noting new, just ignore it

>>7095071
Plutonia obviously has an aesthetic though, which involves filthy brickwork (gray, tan, brown), patched grass and vines (green, brown), rusty metal (dark brown) wood (pale tan), and water, sometimes murky (blue or brown), then a sky that's either a bright gray overcast, or a strong red miasma.

As you say, if it would just be a nod to the gameplay, which are common conventions these days, how is it really special and Plutonia like? It would be getting pretty brown, but there's more colors typical to Plutonia which can be used to break up the brown.

>>7095071
>Obviously it's a bit dated visually
You could put more effort into linedef/sector detailing with the style of textures suitable for Plutonia.

>>7093901
You can straight up download the Marathon game folder. If you plan to download any of the fanmade scenarios, you need to download Aleph One and copy and paste it into the scenario files. In case you wanna play online deathmatch/coop, you'd need to download the latest Aleph One version and paste it in the game folder although I don't know if there are any servers alive.

>>7095113
Would be great if they could finally make a compatible version of Forge mode for modern OSs. It would simplify making content for Marathon a ton and probably just require two programs to make scenarios instead of five. Did the Aleph One guys every say anything about Forge?

>>7094134
is that chocolate doom?

Cannot wait for Blood project release.

>>7094068
Identity politics. Hoping his weblog gains a little traction when he describes himself as Bi, to fit in with SJW and transfurries

>>7095176
Is there an ETA for it, or is it a "when it's done it's done" sort of deal? Either way I'm going to have to practice Blood a bunch before release because I fucking suck at the game.

>>7095182
>>7093476

>>7094802

>>7093886
>>7094287
The goldsrc/source engines have a fuckton of soul, and the games valve made with it are amazing. If you don't think so you're just being a contrarian or never palyed them.

>>7094562
>I beat Doom 1 and 2+TnT two months ago on my Xbone
This is very good because you got the most boring stuff out of the way. Maps will just get better and better from here. The IWADs are important to play because of history but I found myself getting lost and bored when replaying Doom 2 and TNT and I still haven't finished those playthroughs.
>any recs to playthrough?
Quake: original campaign, mission pack 1, mission pack 2.
I like the Mark V WinQuake source port. It's like Crispy Doom in that you can play in 320x240 or 640x480 with wide-screen rendering. It's the modern source port closest to DOS, IMO; I would just use DOS but for some reason the game runs in slo-mo when there are too many particles when using DOSBox.

Duke 3D: original four episodes.
I like DOS for Duke, but if you want a modern source port, use EDuke32 or RedNukem. I was using RedNukem because I found a really annoying bug in EDuke but it may have been patched by now, I dunno, I've just been using DOS Duke.
I like the way MIDIs sound in DOSBox, but if you want to use a modern port, you can use the digital music packs: http://sc55.duke4.net/games.php
Just put that zip file in a new directory in your Duke folder called "autoload" and enable autoload upon starting up EDuke/RedNukem. Also I think you can find a high-quality SFX mod somewhere on that above website as well that you also put in the autoload folder. It takes sounds from the PlayStation port or something IIRC. They sound slightly better, good for a modern port but obviously unnecessary for DOS

ROTT: I never played it since it's based on the Wolfenstein engine

>>7094782
Probably helps that Quake came out when Build engine games were still getting made.

>>7094562
Doom: too many custom maps to list. I'd say do Scythe as your first custom map. Play using the Crispy Doom source port and try the options like vertical weapon recoil and test out the new HUD with -/+ keys. Try it with the Vanilla Doom Smooth Weapons mod.
You can also download Doom digital music packs from thesame website as above: http://sc55.duke4.net/games.php#doom
To get them to work in GZDoom just load them like any other mod, to use them in Crispy Doom you gotta configure crispy.cfg IIRC.
Download a MIDI player called Virtual MIDI Synth. I think you need to also download MIDIMapper from the same website if VMS doesn't work. Set your MIDI player in Doom to portmidi to use it. Anyway, download that MIDI player, and download these soundfonts:
Mysung Kite (I use this for most MIDIs),
RLNDGM (Jimmy composes his MIDIs with a very similar soundfont, so while the individual instruments sound flatter compared to a 1+gig soundfont like Mysung Kite, the balance of the instruments across the whole sounds much better)
Orpheus (another large soundfont file like Mysung Kite. Sounds good, I like the other better, but you might like this one)
SC-55 soundfont replicates the Roland SC-55, the device the original Doom and Duke music was composed on, so this soundfont sounds the same as the digital music packs above, but the music packs sound vastly, vastly better because it's lossless audio recorded on an actual Roland sound canvas. Anyway, this soundfont is still good to have even though I never use it.
Arachno soundfont, only because this is what you want should you ever play Valiant.wad
I don't like tinkering with soundfonts as it takes forever so those are the must-haves I think.

>>7094476
Classic>Q3A>64

>>7094910
>128 visplanes of /vr/

>>7095193
Love ya

>>7095185
Thanks mate, I'm half-cut and clearly can't read hahaha

OH LOOK, YOU COMING APART!

Best way to play Blood?
NBlood? Fresh Supply?

>>7095363
Fresh Supply if you want to be optimistic and hope that more money thrown at Atari will make them realize people are interested. BuildGDX/NBlood if you don't give a shit.

>>7092596
I wish I had that amount of free time.

>>7093571
Since 1998.

>>7094076
>lots of balls
>a liiiiittle bit of penis

>>7095374
>He said, posting on /vr/
https://youtu.be/r72a19Lbz7k?t=137

>>7092525
no it isn't
play nuts.wad and see it yourself
the scripting VM needs more JIT

>>7095180
yeah and not to be fist to be cancelled if trouble arises

>>7095402
>and performance issues on larger maps.

>>7095406
>due to fuck a lot monsters and animated decorations
yeah, scripting subsystem needs a LOT work

>>7095402
>a huge and ridiculous bullshit map which was made to stretch Vanilla Doom's anus doesn't run well on a future port with a heavy emphasis on hardware rendering and complex scripting

>>7095408
Do enlighten us on what you'd change.

>>7095368
After you go with one make sure to encourage Jace Hall to buy the IP from Atari, it may never happen but maybe we can make a collective dream into reality through sheer force of will

>>7095412
threading and JIT
THREADING AND JIT
lightmaps so decorations that produce light (dynamic) won't slow down the rendering speed
separate processing queue(s) for monster AI and others (threads)

>>7095421
>threading
So rebuild the engine?
I don't know what JIT is.

>>7094894
Looks like it was right about the time Quake 2 came out that First-Person Shooter over-took Doom Clone

>>7095426
JIT (Just In Time) : repeatedly run script or parts of it will be compiled to target CPU instruction sets, thus increasing the execution speed tremendously

>>7095438
You should tell Graf about that.

>>7095487
i think Graf or other developer knows that, because i have seen references for asmjit at the source code

Is ROTT 2013 worth it? I know it has some optimization issues.

>>7095495
looks fun in my eyes and pretty true to the original game for better or for worse. Im not even sure where to get the original ROTT anymore and i dont want to pay for it either

>>7095524
from the internet? by using google search?

>>7094387
I hope somebody uses it as a base.

>>7094413
I remember playing Doom 1 on Windows 98 on a laptop with a screen that was probably the size of the switch, did it really look like that?

>>7095524>Im not even sure where to get the original ROTT anymore and i dont want to pay for it either
Then wait for the remaster to come out and pirate it, since no one is doing a decent source port. I don't even know what the fuck happened to Kaiser's ROTT source port.

>>7095623
>Windows 98 laptop
It was probably Doom95 which has a higher resolution.

>>7094528
Jelly of you, I bought that, plus Metal slug and some other games to play it with my brother since he has the Switch, never happened, and he tells me that it has been taking dust for months, told me he would give it to me (2 months ago). Ever used Nucleus coop?

>>7094492
the QC full armor shows that the belly is covered, but the armor was ripped by demons

>>7094796
yes but the thread OP will be out only later today or tomorrow depending of how this thread will go
also RTCW bday is tomorrow too, therefore if a drawfag does a art of BJ and Gordon Bday would be nice

UT is november 22

Traditional shambler waifu or trendy timbler waifu?

>>7095690
traditional duh

>>7094638
>What about the Doom Rise of the Triad TC? Is it good?

I only played it once, but I really enjoyed it.

>>7095690
Is this supposed to be a trick question?

>>7095495
It's only good remake/sequel of classic shooters I've seen aside from Black Mesa. Mostly because the original sucked, so the bar was set low..

As someone who prefers to play in software renderer, I have to say, I really appreciate modern Vanilla compatible megawads for the simple fact that they can provide good looking visuals while having no performance impact in any source port no matter the choice of renderer.

>newest version of gzdoom defaults freelook to on
FOR WHAT PURPOSE

>>7095752
for the newbie casuals

>>7094051
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom/s-u/swfort

I started cheating after falling into inescapeable lava just to find if it gets any good. Doesn't seem so. Mandatory secrets and anooying platforms, little to no fun.
Nice fort though.

>>7095757
Oh damn it, I didn't actually make a screenshot. But there's not much to see.

>>7095752
The default settings are how graf plays.

>>7095764
I guess we should count our blessings that revenants firing homing missiles isn't an option that defaults to off.

>>7095752
because it's gzdoom and it should be on
gzdoom isn't for playing doom, it's for playing modern gameplay mods

>>7095752
GZDoom isn't the right choice for pure Doom gameplay to begin with. Sure, it's doable after going through settings, but other source ports do it more accurately, and often out of the box.

>>7095690
traditional shambler is cute

>>7095752

>>7094915
Nah I haven't played that yet. Is it any good?

>>7095625
Thr pirated GOG version is on PirateBay bro lol and I am pretty sure the full version is in thr massive mega archives linked in OP.

Anyway, I am playing the GOG version that I torrented.

>>7095732
Hey fuck you, ROTT is BASED.

'NUFF SAID.

>>7095524
I got the remake and the original by just searching torrent trackers, yeah there aren't many seeders for either, but they're there.

>>7095416
Ok ok BuyBloodposter - it isn't likely to happen if Jace doesn't win this counter lawsuit against Billy because he won't have the liquid funds to do it with otherwise.

As a sidenote: Twin Galaxies (Jace Hall) is countersueing Billy for $3,333,360, which is the exact score of a perfect game of Pac-Man, which Billy was NOT the first to get.

Based Jace.

>mfw ICARUSLIV3S doesn't play Doom without Smooth Doom as its "a modern convenience that just makes everything look better."

>>7094051
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/heretic/Ports/burialgr
First map i get is a heretic map and not a bad one either, it was made 2000 and i had a good time playing it Granted i was kinda stuck on the blue key area and it was quite nice.

Now that i've read the readme file, it states that i order to play it right i should have used wHeretic but i've used GZdoom so it's possible it could be for that reason.

>>7095941
Smooth doom is great contrariannigger

>>7095941
what a strange thing to be mad about

>>7095956
>>7095956
No it isn't, original pixels or bust. Smoothing filters have always been cringe since they first started showing up in emulators.

>>7095969
its...its not a filter guy

>>7095971
Filter, shader, piss and shit wader, who cares it looks shitty

>>7095976
it isn't any of those things. do you even know what it is?

>>7095979
I don't care what it is, it looks ugly.

>>7094685
Good review, theres not a ton of RoTT content on YT so it's nice to see

HL1 turned 22 this year

>>7096012
And yet Valve didn't made the original game Free to keep yet

>>7095941
I used to think this, but I've gone back to vanilla because it just looks and feel better in the long run.

>>7096023
That's because they can't milk money off of whales buying cosmetics like TF2 or CS:GO.

>>7096012
Fuck Half-Life you queer

7096114
No one is falling for your baits again alf

>>7093875
wow this looks bad. A completely barren landscape with a couple of dungeons that had thought put into them (created by Id, not the modder I wager) strewn about reminds me of Skyrim a lot.
If these were connected by tighter transitional areas that aren't just single sector stretching out for miles and had been structured more like Strife, it would have been amazing. Right now, it looks as low effort as you can get.
I mean look at the shapes of outer walls of buildings. That's embarrassing

>>7094894
>>7095436
So where's the anon who autistically bitches about Quake 2 ruining everything forever?

Just curious, who here prefers pistol starts and who prefers playing continuously.
Personally, I'm on the fence. Continuous just feels good but pistol starting means you're playing the map as the mapper intended for the most part.

>>7095009
>2048 chaingunners of /vr/

>>7096128
We need 500 hours of /vr/Q2, all maps with Gunners, Shotgunners, Turrets and every bad shit from Xatrix and rogue.

also bonus for parasite traps with no Shotgun like the old JF Gustaffsson maps.

>>7096127
I'm on the fence too, in a sense. I play saveless, accepting a pistol start on any level that kills me, or when I decide to quit and -warp to where I left off in a megawad.

>>7095941
Eat shit bud, vsmooth is the way to go unless it doesn't play nice with a certain pwad.

>>7096127
I'm in for longplays. I mostly play megawads, and each one of them is a journey.
So this means continuous play and no pistol-starts.
If the mapper intended pistol start, he should have made a death exit the map before.

>>7096127
I play original Doom IWADs continuously since they aren't tightly desgined. Except for Plutonia I guess which I recently started with a pistol start.
PWADs I usually play with pistol start.

>>7095934
>It isn't likely to happen if TG doesn't win the lawsuit against Billy shithead
Even if it doesn't result in the resurrection of Blood I hope TG wins the suit - fuck Billy Mitchell

>>7092496
https://www.gog.com/game/powerslave
Powerslave (DOS) has been re-released commercially

>>7096245
YESSSSSSSSS FUCKING FINALLY

>>7096127
If it's a first time through a mapset, I go continuous while abstaining from midlevel saves unless it's a huge, huge level and I'm getting wrecked.

>>7095645
I've never heard of Nucleus co-op, what's that?

>>7096118
It's basically a proof-of-concept demo anyways, it's not great but the quality of writing in the mod description on moddb is an indicator of the mod's overall quality so I don't really understand what you expected.

>>7096245
That's a familiar revolver

>>7092496
>>7093527
>>7094249
>>7092689
>>7092519

Youtube video is up, demo has been submitted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcXHg-Wu36A

>>7095941
i would like smooth doom more if it was properly integrated and didnt conflict with every mod ever made

>>7096263
yeah that revolver's been in every single doom mod i swear

>>7095495
Optimization is horrible, level design is linear, gameplay is mediocre, and they completely ruined the humor. You know how the original ROTT has absurd stuff like turning into a dog or putting on itchy armor? Well these devs thought it would be funny to make your character burp and fart every time you get a health pickup.

>>7096234
Billy is fucked this time - word is Jace has been pissed with his TG purchase from the beginning because Walter Day and Billy misrepresented things and it ended up being a big pile of shit when he finally got it, full of literal frauds like Billy and Todd Rodgers. TG is going for the jugular in this countersuit, they are attacking his entire career/reputation that he claims in his lawsuit was destroyed by Jace/TG removing his scores and saying he cheated. They have proof he didn't get the first perfect Pac-Man. His famous supposed award from Namco as "Video Gamer of the Century" (pic related)? They have proof Walter Day created that award a month before this photo and they then called Namco and said it would be a good photo op for them to let Billy play a live perfect game of Pac-Man and then presenting him with an award. The award he is being given here is literally just congratulating him on the perfect Pac-Man he had just played. Walter and Billy lied and said Namco gave the 'Century' award. They have proof of all this and can easily ask Namco themselves if they gave him such an award. This shit has been rumored for years but now it will be presented in a court of law where Billy will have to actually prove otherwise, he won't be able to slither his way out this time.

>>7096287
Forgot pic

>>7096275
It's really not that bad. It's actually pretty good for what it is and was obviously a labor of love by fan of the the original. Interceptor is a tiny team so what they were able to do is good I think. Some of the voice lines are a little annoying and it had horrible optimization issues at launch but they have been patched. It's still not perfect but alot of the bad press it got at launch were due to those issues which aren't really such an issue anymore.

>>7096287
I see that the only people who'll get something out of this are lawyers. Judges would not bother looking into fake records from 20-40 years ago.
Probably they'll have some bullshit "meet in the middle" agreement which will change nothing