/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7091153
atari 2600

>>7091153
n64

>>7091153
Based australia-kun will defend this garbage.

>>7091153
ZX Spectrum

>>7091153
atari 5200

>>7091153
nes, snes, nintrando sissy4, gaycube, wee, soitch

>>7091153
>>7091360
this
>muh speccy
that was easy
/thread

>>7091392
Seething. Fuck console war retards why not just enjoy all retro systems?

>>7091153
Your favorite system.

>>7091153
Pippin

>>7091360
>>7091440
I hardly think the spectrum counts as a "videogame system".

>>7091153
colecovison

>>7091153
Windows NT 4.0

>>7091619
Windows NT isn't a system, it's a ROM.

>>7091621
Uh it's an operating SYSTEM.
that doesn't run your games

>>7091619
>>7091621
>>7091626
NT4 is the WORST, and it doesn't support your joysticks either

>>7091153
IBM PC

Also come to Manchester and then talk shite about me amiger, ya cheeky nonce. Sosij rolls innit? Luv me wife, 'ate pakis norf fc hahaha le ebin maymay man why can't we have good threads anymore this board has gone to shit kek nigger

>>7091153
It had some pretty neat games, they were just ported to 16-bit consoles and DOS. There's hardly any reason to marginally 'better' (don't mind the disk swap and loadtimes, though) versions on it.

>>7091642
>pre-EGA/FM/SB
debateable, but still a lot of fun and funny software from the early PC days.
>EGA/FM/SB
Plenty of good shit for this hardware
>VGA+486
Amiga who?

>>7091153
Sega 32x

>>7091296
>>7091304
>>7091360
>>7091386
>>7091469
>>7091487
Yeah.

>>7091153
It had some dope RPGs.

>>7091153
Something that starts with C and ends with a multiple of 32.

>>7091685
Dragon 32? yeah that was a bit of a useless machine for weird people.

All these dumb opinions and nobody states the obvious one.

Atari ST.

Literally a shit version of the Amiga.

>>7091708
Atari ST was a better productivity machine and a decent enough gaming machine for 80s standard. It was also retailed for half the price of an amiga 1000 at launch.

>>7091695
It's a fine cheap version of TRS 80 colour computer, it's pretty good for what it was.

>>7091153
Anon, you make this all too easy.

Segay Shiturn.

nes is a lot worse

>>7091890
nes has Gimmick! so it's a top console

>>7091831
based stolar

>>7091153
go away, fat american pedophile.

>>7091153
Any IBM PC of the same era

>>7091360
but the Agent X II title music is so based
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNc_xczyGLc

>>7091153
It's not a video game system numbskull, it's a computer.

>>7091153
PC FX

>>7091153
Speccy

Ps1 or ps2

>>7091153
Ouya

>>7091153
Still better than Mac classic

>>7091153
Pretty much any Nintendo console.

NES
>shitty VDP that causes games to flicker like mad
>SNES
>shitty CPU so games had to be stripped down or else they lag like hell
N64
>carts held it back when everyone moved onto CDs, also terrible controller design
GC
>mini-DVDs held it back, also retarded controller but not as bad as the N64's

It took a while but I think the real australia found the thread.

ITT: euroshits forget that Commdore was an American company.

>>7092637
God I miss TechTV

>>7093008
>mini-DVDs held it back
not really, at least they were in the same order of magnitude, unlike the n64

>>7093020
Too bad consoomutts prefer inferior imported trash to their own computers.

>>7093020
And? We made the best Amiga software, just like how we made the best games for the Nshittywhore.

>>7093083
>We made the best Amiga software

Come, let's do this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbbkDEeolYg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmlGIoewQWI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RDgt26Zcio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aBIfDZ8Llk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIjDBmz9ndU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb6VvtAcmb8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuJldAn0hR8

>>7091153
Me speccy, Jaguar the toilet seat, Atari 5200, Virtual Boy. What was shitty on me amiger were the games themselves, the system itself was rather capable.

>>7093114
Impressive, very nice. Now let's see American developed software for Amiga.

>>7093036
What computers were mutts importing during this time period?

How do you design something to play games and still end up with most games unable to play music and sound effects at the same time?

>>7093114
comparing arcade ports isn't really fair, in most cases the teams had to build the game from scratch. They were given the job, but 0 assets to use, they had to go down to the arcade and look at how the game looks and plays themselves.

>>7093134
Ok. Here's some NTSC stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM03m4LGSNU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYoGNto1_TU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzeFQlSwQT4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSokbWlXEOQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBeYlClQRgQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g04uLoFUwTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEJPlseI57o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMjSweUlXAU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5csuNPGOPc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRIs38Odpjg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_vdZ7l5B68

>>7093223
>How do you design something to play games and still end up with most games unable to play music and sound effects at the same time?

The OCS Amiga had four sound channels, which was enough for both on paper. Problem was, all the devs were guys who'd made games on 8-bit machines with 3 or less sound channels so they simply kept putting in the "Choose music or sfx" option due to force of habit.

>>7093253
Nice. Japanese developers exceeded at arcade action, Americans at immersive simulation based games and Europe was uhhh, well some of their games had pretty graphics and sound.

>>7093268
Other than Marble Madness which was really early and in fact one of the first Amiga games out, about 99% of arcade/action games on the Amiga were PAL. NTSC stuff was almost entirely simulations/RPGs/adventure games.

>>7093252
>comparing arcade ports isn't really fair, in most cases the teams had to build the game from scratch
Sometimes they did a good job, for example the Amiga had a very nice port of Bad Dudes. More often than not, they were total crud banged out in a few weeks and often copypasted from the Atari ST (these games were easy to ID as they typically only had 16 colors and didn't even use the blitter).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUlX6bw60DU

Wolfpack. Forgot to add that one. The DOS version looks slightly better as it has full VGA graphics support but it doesn't play nearly as smoothly since it's still designed for 1990 PC hardware (within 2-3 years as DOS games began to gain 32-bit and VESA support, the Amiga was done).

>>7093253
how come we were able to get through an Amiga game without any gradient color skies and fart noise music?

>>7091153
atari st

>>7091153
Might have been a poor video game system but it's based for it's music capabilities.

>>7091153

>>7093382
that ones actually goo d because it got a neato controller

>>7093114
The Amiga was arguably worse at arcade-style games than the C64 because of having bitmaps instead of tile/character graphics which are lighter on memory and CPU usage.

>>7093253
> Includes Populus, a genre defining and important Amiga game that was made in... the UK
You're not very good at this

>>7093253
You forgot Cinemaware games, those are pretty much Amiga essentials.

>>7093268
"Immersive simulation"? You mean bland shit that tries to do way too much.

>>7093253
The definitive version of Star Control 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsWIYQfMpPw

Unfortunately the Amiga didn't get Wasteland. Too bad.

>>7093253
Microprose were the biggest Amigaboos there were. They dutifully supported it from 1986 up until the end in 94, although from 91 onward development was outsourced to their UK division.

>>7094083
Way too much for your brain to handle.

>>7094239
Rekt.
>>7094083
Back to your shmups, platformers and other simplistic manchild shite, weeb.

on that note why didn't Americans ever try arcade-style games on the Amiga? why just autism simulators?

>>7094239
nigga i'd rather play DF than your point a click turds

>>7094246
American kids are too dumb to use computers so American devs only made games for the mature and experienced computer users.

>>7094246
The Amiga's strength was more in point-and-click games than trying to be a Mega Drive with a keyboard. NTSC devs knew this; they didn't try to jam a square peg into a round hole.

>>7093253
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM03m4LGSNU

The sampled sounds in Earl Weaver Baseball are much cooler than the PC speaker noise DOS version. The game had an Apple II version as well. No C64 though, likely because it needed 128k of memory.

>>7094452
no video online but it appears to just use HGR mode not DHGR despite being a 128k game.

https://www.mobygames.com/game/apple2/earl-weaver-baseball

>>7094452
>by Eddie Dombrower
man if that isn't the most baseball-sounding name ever

>>7091153
the spectrum

>>7094246
Because you end up with dogshit like the Test Drive games when they tried. Most of their games were just ports of PC games and were generally pretty static with lots of well drawn still screens and minimal animation. As with the C64 they never learned to push the hardware and their games always either had abysmal or even no music or sound at all.

In a world where all kinds of interesting and envelope pushing games were being made over the pond, American games were irrelevant on the Amiga.

>>7093218
Taiwanese 386 clones?

>>7095203

>>7093253
And yet, Euro demosceners never managed to make a single worthwhile game for all their skill at writing sprite multiplexers. The proof of this was in games like James Pond, Turrican, and Zool which got console ports and proved incredibly underwhelming when they had to compete with some of the top console platformers.

>>7095896
Mega Turrican is better than Megaman, Super Metroid, and Contra though.

>>7095203
Test Drive wasn't Americans, that was a leaf developer.

Demoscene stuff didn't take off in the US for mainly technical reasons. NTSC has a shorter vblank than PAL thus there's less time/available cycles to do things with.

>>7091153
Atari 400/800/XL/XE

>>7096147
>filtered by the Freeze level in Jumpman
git gud, scrub

>>7095896
Manfred Trenz was a programming genius but I can't say Turrican was a great game at all.

>>7095896
Turrican was solid just not Nintendo tier design.

>>7096447
>Nintendo tier design
Linear exploration, linear puzzles, and scripted "fun"?

>>7095896
UFO Enemy Unknown
Flashback
Lemmings
Another World
Populus
Syndicate
Theme Park
Hired Guns
Cannon Fodder
Zeewolf

All European games, all better than the boring shit posted previously, and none fit your feeble "muh demoscene" fantasy meme bullshit. I know you don't know what you're talking about, but you get away with it due to the tiny number of users who will bother to tell you to fuck off in your lame bait threads.

>>7096876
>and none fit your feeble "muh demoscene" fantasy meme bullshit.

>>7093114
Then again... (^:

>>7096876
>UFO Enemy Unknown
then again, they had to go to an American developer (Microprose) to make the game in the first place

>>7096868
Yeah Super Metroid does have a little bit of structure to it, doesn't it? It's like it was designed by artists and not programmers.

>>7097208
Superfrog is the classic example of a bad Europlatformer.

>shit controls
>shit physics (there's no thing where you can move the character a few frames before the screen scrolls, it just starts scrolling the moment you push the joystick left or right)
>gameplay not much more than a bland collectathon
>awful maze-like map layouts

>>7097208
>muh video games are art
Reddit is that way.

>>7097208
Superfrog is the classic example of everything wrong with Europlatformers.

>shit controls
>shit physics (there's no thing where you can move the character a few frames before the screen scrolls, it just starts scrolling the moment you push the joystick left or right)
>gameplay not much more than a bland collectathon
>awful maze-like map layouts

>>7091153
no one will remember you when you die

>>7095451
Yeah, things that didn't happen.

Whole Amiga 500 thread without Ctrl+F "Shadow of the Beast"
yeah ok faggots.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_of_the_Beast_(1989_video_game)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73JBaFkNZaE intro for music, then go to 1'26

>>7093253
>>7091153

for nationalists : Psygnosis / Reflections (England, Newcastle)

>>7097807
SOTB is a nice tech demo not much of a game though.

>no real gameplay but walking around punching stuff
>no memorable enemies
>absurdly high difficulty especially because you start over at the beginning of the level when you die (no check points or anything)

>>7097827
I liked it. Didn't finish it though. I'm an ST guy btw.

>>7097827
https://www.forbes.com/sites/toddkenreck/2016/01/26/why-shadow-of-the-beast-is-a-massive-cult-hit/

>>7091153
Philips CD-I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_gGNE7u5Es

Sorry but the best Amiga 500 game, aka the best game ever, is Les Voyageurs du Temps (literally Time Travellers, but known as Future Wars) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Wars
Those guys would then do Another World.
French.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETHGr3Gv_nk The story was amazing.
You start by washing the glasses of a skyscraper. Unlawfully you enter an executive office and find a time travel machine.
The middle age parts reminding of the Name of the Rose

I'm not afraid to say that it was breaking all the codes of Monkey Island (second best point and click adventure game ever)

>>7091153
Spectrum
Amstrad
Jaguar
PCFX
Atari ST
Virtual Boy (except wario is fantastic)

I had a fucking great time with amigas in the late 80s/early 90s. The trick is knowing which games to play - hint it's not fucking shadow of the beast or super frog etc
>>7097236
Yep - typical Team17 garbage.

>>7098051
>hint it's not fucking shadow of the beast or super frog etc
It's too bad those consistently make Amiga best-of game lists and the platform is reduced to nothing but James Pond and terrible US Gold arcade ports for most people.

>>7098051
>The trick is knowing which games to play - hint it's not fucking shadow of the beast or super frog etc
The best way to know if an Amiga game wasn't worth your time was seeing magazine screenshots and noticing it had a giant score box occupying 30% of the screen with a graphic of the MC's face in it.

>>7098032
I like Delphine advent games. Operation Stealth and Cruise for a Corpse are both good games as well.

Odyssey 2

A friend asked me to post this meme to see if you guys would bite, it is retro in two senses..

sega megadeth, I'm actually trying to make an unofficial The Chaos engine 3 game.. i got new charecters and all. it is going to be a bit like diablo 3

>>7091153
The original IBM PC

>>7096915
>>>7093114
>Then again... (^:
I don't understand why you think this is some kind of hilarious sick own - you keep posting a load of terrible games that no one cared about even back in the day. No one thinks they are good. It's like posting the worst 10 SNES games and using that as proof the SNES was bad. Also none of them are what I would call "demoscene" related in any way - for that you would want games like Pinball Fantasies or Super Stardust created by actual demoscene groups, but they are fantastic games so that destroys your forced meme.

Far more damaging was the list of NTSC releases being touted as "good" that was just boring PC ports of flight sims and Monkey Island. Be still my beating heart.

>>7097179
Microprose was a publisher and it was specifically Microprose UK that decided to publish the game after they bought it through the acquisition of Spectrum Holobyte. UFO was just one of several similar games the Gollops had been making for nearly a decade at that point.

>>7101730
>UFO
Actually I wasn't sure if that was right or not, so looked it up, it's not right, and it was worse than I remembered it being.
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-03-28-julian-gollop-reveals-how-the-original-x-com-was-nearly-cancelled-twice
Basically Microprose UK were signed on to publish the game. Microprose as a whole were then bought by the US Spectrum Holobyte. They check what was in the works in the company and tell Microprose UK to cancel UFO. It was officially cancelled, and it was only due to the British Microprose UK management fighting back the game was uncancelled and finished.
tl:dr One of the greatest videogames of all time was almost not released at all due to Americans not understanding the UK home computer market. Absolutely shocking.

ok

>>7101730
>you keep posting a load of terrible games that no one cared about even back in the day. No one thinks they are good.
Ok but then who keeps voting Superfrog and SOTB onto top 10 Amiga games lists?

>>7091153
3DO.

>>7093275
That’s what was popular on PCs in North America at the time. I’m guessing they were almost entirely ports.

Isn't Lemmings the only good non-port?

>>7102969
Shadow of the Beast and Superfrog are not on the list you always post.
>>7093114
Check yourself.
Are you feeling alright, anon?

>>7091153
Console made by Apple and Bandai no one ever heard.

Amiga has some cool games. Turrican series, Leander, Worms, Cannon Fodder, Gods, Chaos Engine to name a few. Plus a surprisingly good remake of BC Kid. There may be a lot of eurothrash on it, but there is still some genuinly nice stuff.
I found it harder to find likable ogames on Atari ST. Most are downgraded Amiga games, and the few exclusives aren't memorable.

>>7091153
V-smile

Fuckin' love my amiga m8